What is a Geordie?

Subject: What is a Geordie?
From: steve t
Date: 10 Apr 98 - 03:41 PM

Blaydon races is listed as a famous Geordie song. I have a vague memory that Geordies are a name given to people in one part of England by people who don't live there. Details, anyone?

Subject: RE: What is a Geordie?
From:
Date: 10 Apr 98 - 04:55 PM

Northumberland, or more narrowly, Newcastle-on-Tyne and environs.

Subject: RE: What is a Geordie?
From:
Date: 11 Apr 98 - 02:54 PM

Did they not get this name because they supported the Hanovers (King George) rather than the Stuarts? There is also an Archie Fisher song, or a song he covers, which mentions "German Geordie."

If I am not mistaken, "Geordie" is also a common nickname for "George" in northern England and in Scotland. My paternal grandparents were from Lancashire, and the family always called, and still call, my uncle George "Geordie".

Subject: RE: What is a Geordie?
From: belter
Date: 12 Apr 98 - 01:18 PM

in the song Geordie about a Geordie who is being hanged, about a guy named Geordie, or a guy from that area of England?

Subject: RE: What is a Geordie?
From: Bruce O.
Date: 12 Apr 98 - 01:33 PM

I don't think there's any evidence that that was anything but his name. 'Geordie' songs from Newcastle seem to be later than c 1800, and George Stool in a 17th century broadside ballad about the Geordie that was hanged was from Oxford. There's an earlier broadside version of the song ( c 1625) too, but I can remember if the place of origin of "Geordie" was given. You can find both 17th century versions listed in my broadside ballad index at www.erols.com/olsonw.

Subject: RE: What is a Geordie?
From: PKD on Teesside
Date: 12 Apr 98 - 01:38 PM

Geordies come from Geordieland - Newcaslte-on-the-Coaly-Tyne that is.

Tommy Armstrong, Louis Killen, High Level Ranters are just s few that spring to mind.

Dance for Your Mammy (my canny hinny), Blaydon Races, & hundreds of others.

Loads of mining stuff.

It's just north of Birtley (where the Elliots come from)

Suggest you try "http://www.geordietheme.tynside.com"

Cheers

Paul

Subject: RE: What is a Geordie?
From: PKD on Teesside
Date: 12 Apr 98 - 01:42 PM

Sorry, that should be:

"http://www.geordietheme.tyneside.com"

Cheers

Subject: RE: What is a Geordie?
From: Art Thieme
Date: 12 Apr 98 - 02:22 PM

No, I'm not a "Geordiethieme!!

I'm Art Thieme

Lou Killen is the BEST!! Simply a wonderful artist! I've never had anything but the highest levels of esteem for him. His version of "The Flying Cloud" would win ANY competition for that song that could be contrived! But once, in the mid 1970's in Chicago, I heard him referred to as a "professional Geordie"! To me that was a high compliment because he presented the traditional music of his own area (plus other areas too) so damn well!

Subject: RE: What is a Geordie?
From: steve t
Date: 13 Apr 98 - 01:02 AM

Ah ha! So now I know. Thanks to you all :-)

Subject: RE: What is a Geordie?
From: Ferrara
Date: 20 Apr 98 - 08:00 AM

Just a footnote to this thread. Tim Jaques asked whether Geordies got their nickname because they supported the Hanovers (King George) rather than the Stuarts. I once went to a house concert by two fine Geordie musicians, Holstock and MacLeod (if I try to remember their first names I'm sure I'll get it wrong.) They did say that the people around Newcastle-on-Tyne supported the Hanovers and that's how they got the name "Geordies."

By the way, one great song they sing is "I wish They'd Do It Now," which begins, "I was born of Geordie parents, some time when I was young, that is how the Geordie language came to be my native tongue..."

Subject: RE: What is a Geordie?
From: aldus
Date: 20 Apr 98 - 08:08 AM

The song about the Geordie who was hanged is probably about George Gordon, Third Earl of Huntly...and Scottish.

Subject: RE: What is a Geordie?
From: Bruce O.
Date: 20 Apr 98 - 09:28 AM

When?

Subject: RE: What is a Geordie?
From: Bruce O.
Date: 20 Apr 98 - 09:33 AM

When? This song probably relates to the Hundred Years War, which involved the English as soldiers and mercenaries, and suppliers of anthing of use to the military, from anywhere, could make money.

Subject: RE: What is a Geordie?
From: aldus
Date: 20 Apr 98 - 09:44 AM

It relates to the period just after the Battle of Culloden, but is really a much older song. There are many versions but mostly they fall into two categories, The song of lost Love and the poltical version, in both cases Geordie is hanged.I have never heard of it being in any way connected to the hundred years war..but all things are possible. It has traditionally been regarded as an anti-english song from Scotland.

Subject: RE: What is a Geordie?
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 20 Apr 98 - 12:29 PM

I Wish They'd Do it Now is, of course, in the database.

Subject: RE: What is a Geordie?
From: Barry Finn
Date: 20 Apr 98 - 01:02 PM

Geordie, it seems, orgins are so old & mixed that no one can now pin him down. Kinloch believes him to be George Gordon, 4th Earl of Huntley, who failed the Queen's regent, in not hanging a Highland robber in 1555, the Earl of Cassilis sucessfully pleaded his case, here he was not hung. Printed (by H Gosson) in 16(27?), an English Broadside ballad has the death of a George Stoole, whom Motherwell sees as coming from the Scot's version.Another (later) has him as George of Oxford, a highway man, another as George Luklie. It seems most older Scottish versions have him killing Sir Charles Hays in battle, & most of the English & latter versions as a thief against the King. I got the notes of this from John Nolan, I don't know where he got it, but I'm sure he'll be looking in on this thread, & if anyone wants further on it I'm sure he'll help. Barry

Subject: RE: What is a Geordie?
From: Jerry Friedman
Date: 20 Apr 98 - 05:10 PM

Richard Adams wrote a book, The Plague Dogs, set mostly near Newcastle, and containing a variety of Geordie accents. My favorite part of the book is the rural version spoken by the fox (or "tod")--yes, it's Adams's second talking-animals book. The preface contains some information on dialects of that region, including a glossary. It also says that "Geordie" does indeed come from the city of Newcastle's refusal to help one of the pretenders against the relevant King George.

Subject: RE: What is a Geordie?
From: Bruce O.
Date: 20 Apr 98 - 05:44 PM

I noted the two 17th century broadside ballad versions above. In my broadside ballad index they are (earliest), ZN279, entered in 1629, and ZN707, the George of Oxford version. The tune of the first was apparently "God be with thee Geordie" in the lost Straloch lute MS, 1627 (contents on my website, Scottish music MSS). There is a transcription of the tune, but the notation (as for many in that MS) is faulty, and no one has yet been able to translate it.

www.erols.com/olsonw

Subject: RE: What is a Geordie?
From: judy
Date: 22 Apr 98 - 01:38 AM

Ferrara,

Dick Holstock and Alan MacLeod. Wonderful singers! They live in the Fresno (California) area I belive. They really put their heart into any song they do. I totally recommend their tapes

enjoy!
judy

Subject: RE: What is a Geordie?
From: PKD on Teesside
Date: 26 Apr 98 - 02:21 PM

I was talking this weekend to some friends about the Mudcat, and particularly about "What's a Geordie".

Living 40 miles or so south of Geordie-land we take it for-granted that everyone knows that a Geordie is someone from Newcastle-on-Tyne.

Anyway, one of the group, Anne Alderson, has the origin of the term "Geordie". George Stephenson (of Stephenson's Rocket) invented the first miner's safety lamp, which worked by shielding the naked flame & thus keeping it away from explosive gasses.

This was first used by coal-miners in the Northumberland coal-fields... Hence "Geordie" - one who uses a George (Geordie) Stephenson miner's safety lamp - hence a Newcastle miner - hence a native of Newcastle.

Cheers

Paul

Subject: RE: What is a Geordie?
From: Coley The Geordie
Date: 29 Mar 00 - 02:02 PM

Weren't the Anderson safety lamp the furst wan ever?

Oh and in answer to your question, I AM A GEORDIE!

Subject: RE: What is a Geordie?
From: Coley The Geordie
Date: 29 Mar 00 - 02:03 PM

Weren't the Anderson safety lamp the furst wan ever?

Oh and in answer to your question, I AM A GEORDIE!

Subject: RE: What is a Geordie?
From: GUEST,Guest: Alistair
Date: 29 Mar 00 - 02:14 PM

My dear old dad ( who's scots) always said that a Georie was a Scotsman with his brains kicked in.

Subject: RE: What is a Geordie?
From: Bert
Date: 29 Mar 00 - 02:18 PM

Bleedin' right on, Coley. That bloke Davy arf-inched it.

Subject: RE: What is a Geordie?
From: Conrad Bladey (Peasant- Inactive)
Date: 29 Mar 00 - 02:28 PM

Who is a Geordie- The definitive answer to the question of ages. Source: The New Geordie Dictionary ed. Frank Graham (a good source!)

The origin of the word Geordie has been a matter of much discussion and controversy. All the explanations are fanciful and not a single piec of genuine evidence has ever been produced. For many years I have been trying to ascertain the frist time the word was used, hoping thereby to find some cule as to its origin. The first record of its use that I have found was in 1823. The speaker was the famous local comedian, Billy Purvis, who had set up his booth at the Newcastle Races on the Town Moor. He had, however, a competitor. A well known showman had erected his tent nearby and had emplouyed a young pitman called Tom Johnson to act the part of the calwn. This incensed Billy purvis who engaded in a personal tirade against his rival. Hearing that he had sold his furniture and left his wife to become a clown Billy cried out. Ah, Man Wee but a feul wad hae sold off his furniture and left his wife. Noo yor a fair doon reet fuel, not an artificial feul like Billy Purivs! Thous a real Geordie! gan man an hide thyself gan an get thy picks agyen. Thou may de for the city but never for the west end o' wor toon.

From this account we can see clearly that in 1823 Geordie was a fool. The explanation is obcious. In 1788 George III who was a very unpopular monarch became insane andalthough he recovered for a while his son (later George IV ) had to be made Regent in 1811 and continued to perform that office until the insane monarch died. George IV was also unpopular. His extravagance, his love of pleasure and his promiscuity were notorious. When he became king in January 1820 he started proceedings to divorce his wife Caroline. All those who disliked the Hanoverian monarchy united to defend her. IN 1820 there was a gigantic demonstration in Newcastle in support of the Queen. We can understand therefore tow the word Geordie was a term of abuse and was linked with idocy. In the 19th century (and much later) the middle class of Newcastle disliked and feared the mining community and they probably used the word Geordie as a terem of abuse when they rreferred to pitmen, and the word became linked to them. IN England many people try to forget any disagreeable characteristics of their monarchs as quickly as possible. When the early Hanoverians passed away Geordie gradually ceased to be an insulting word and eventually was accepted as a friendly term when applied not only to pitmen but anyone who lived in this area. so in a little over fifty years a term of abuse became an accepted name when eht insane George III from whom the word was derived had been forgotten.

Some other input from the newsgroup faq-uk.local.geordie 1. What's A Geordie?

Where and what

They're located approximately between the rivers Tweed and Tyne, plus a hinterland stretching south towards the river Wear. Tribal variants include border rievers, Wearsiders, pityakkas and sheepshaggas, together with the inhabitants of Sunderland (called Makems), some of whom feel they're an entirely different species.

Regardless of variation, though, many who have Internet access are involved in uk.local.geordie, and those who aren't, subscribe to uk.local.county-durham and some even further afield to uk.local.teesside, two recently started spinoff newsgroups. Geordie identity is a complex phenomenon, and the topic is discussed most months- this last one being no exception, when we had a go at other regional identities too: "What's a Scouser, Cockney or Panhaggerty?" Maybe, as "KellyNet" suggested, it might even be related to what we eat.

On the one hand there are Geordie Exiles all over the world; while on the other, as it says in Todd's Geordie Words and Phrases, "there are those born and bred in Newcastle and the immediate vicinity to whom the term 'Geordie', when applied to them, is anathema". Who knows: as internet access grows, perhaps newsgroup choice will provide the definitive statement: you're a Geordie if your favourite newsgroup is uk.local.geordie, and a Wearsider who feels distinct from a Geordie if ye gan tee uk.local.county-durham? Chris Rockliffe's enquiry about why a uk.local.northumberland newsgroup hasn't emerged yet is interesting in this context.

In the meanwhile, again from Todd: "a Geordie is one who regards himself as such." Does that make Ellis Windham a Geordie, when she writes: "I am an American who had Geordieness gradually thrust upon me. I've never heard any language or dialect so directly speak to my own soul--felt as if I were hearing my mother tongue, so to speak, which is a neat trick because my Mom's from New Jersey USA and Dad was from Brooklyn New York USA?" Probably not: a period of residence is probably de rigeur; nevertheless, maybe we should think of reviving the idea of "Honorary Geordie", as we discussed last year? Canny lass Ellis.

2. What Of Their History; And Why "Geordie"?

Many newcomers ask about the origin of the name, and receive varying answers each month. This time, some details pertaining to two of the common explanations. The first is by Chris Rockliffe, and follows immediately below. The second is by Jeff, who offers the comment that most of these explanations are apocryphal, and offers an alternative version which is equally so, in the best tradition of Scott Dobson.

Chris:

The origins of the term 'Geordie' as a nickname for George are Scottish. Likewise, the first common usage of the term 'geordies' to describe the citizens of Newcastle - are also of Scottish origin.

Newcastle was attacked, surrendered and occupied for 3 years by a Scottish army from 1644-47 and again in 1648-49. In 1644 they deliberately paralysed the coal industry, on which London and the South East relied for cooking, heating and which the NE relied for its living etc. More than a thousand collier brigs were tied up under guard and the river at Tynemouth was guarded by armed 'Scottish' vessels. The 1000+ keel boats which ferried coal from upstream collieries down to Jarrow were also redundant. Charles I, who finally fled to Newcastle and was held prisoner there again by the Scots, was eventually handed over in return for what now would be many millions of pounds. Charles was taken to London and later executed and the Scottish army retreated back to Scotland. But the citizens of Newcastle - particularly the keelmen and the miners on both sides of the river - never forget and never forgave those Scottish army Presbyterian zealots and their vicious antics. That occupation of Newcastle changed - without doubt - the face of English history.

In circa 1688-1690, the first failed Jacobite Rebellion (Claverhouse), and the later Glencoe Massacre, fostered a new generation of Scottish Jacobites. After the Act of Union in 1707 which put a political line under the Stuart claims, Jacobite support mushroomed, and spread into Northumberland's petty aristocracy too. Among the Jacobite movement's names for George I were 'Wee Geordie of Hanover', 'The wee German Lairdie' and 'The Wee German Geordie'. - these names, among others much more vulgar, were immortalised in their many political songs. (Scottish folk music is full of them) In 1715, 'The Old Pretender' (the Stuart heir) arrived in Scotland from France to build up an army to take on George I.

There was support in Northumberland, but little or none in Newcastle - the first major English city and a prime target again. Stories of the atrocities committed by that Scottish army two generations earlier, had been passed down among Tynesiders. The keelmen were a powerful lobby and anti-Scottish to the hilt - for reasons outlined earlier. They saw to it that no Jacobite support grew in the town and there were many beatings of suspected Jacobite sympathisers on the streets of the town. An extra garrison of Hanoverian soldiers were sent to Newcastle and the incredibly strong city walls were prepared for attack. The Scottish and English Jacobites started referring to the citizens of Newcastle as 'George's men' or 'Wee Geordie's men'. That attack never came, the 2nd Jacobite rebellion fizzled out, 'The Old Pretender' went back to France and the leading Northumbrian contingent were executed or fled.

The Jacobites didn't go away. By 1745, the 'Old Pretender's son 'The Young Pretender', Charles Edward Stuart (Bonnie Prince Charlie) also came over from France intending to do to George II, what his father had failed to achieve with the George I - Wee Geordie of Hanover. The third and final Jacobite rebellion was now underway. From Glenfinnan he marched on Edinburgh, failing to take the Castle and setting up at Hollyrood Palace. Newcastle's walls and city gates were prepared for battle and mounted with cannon in readiness. The Pilgrim Gate, Newgate, Sallyport and Pandon Gates were walled-up, (creating huge inconvenience).

The citizens formed a militia to strengthen the army numbers, arming themselves with anything they could find. They were now calling themselves 'Georges Men' and as a rebuttal to the Jacobites, they adopted the term 'Geordies'. Charles' 5000-strong army marched down through Northumberland until they got to about Morpeth, grabbing food, livestock and allegedly the odd woman or two as the fancy took them. General Wade's Newcastle garrison tried to chase after them, heading for Hexham, but got their cannon bogged down in the mud and had to give up the chase. (That's why the 'military road' was built by Wade a year later, ironically using stone from Hadrian's Wall in the foundations - built to keep out the Scots 1700 years earlier).

Newcastle was not attacked. Thinking better of it, Charles ordered his army west and over to Carlisle where they attacked that town and then Preston, eventually reaching Manchester where they hoped to gather support locally as well as from Irish and Welsh contingencies. No support was forthcoming. Liverpool was firmly Hanoverian too. Eventually he reached Derby and shagged out as they now were, he ordered them back to Scotland. (Cumberland's forces were just moving out from Lichfield where they were stationed.) Charles came back up the west coast with his army.

A couple of months later Cumberland's forces crossed the old Tyne bridge (the old one with the houses on it) on his way up to what would become the infamous Battle of Culloden. As he drove with his army through the town to their billet on the Town Moor and past the ecstatic waving crowds, he was taken aback with the response. The keelmen again were out in force to add their support. Why were they cheering him so avidly?, he enquired. "These are the 'Geordies' Sir", he's reputed to have been told. The term 'Geordies' was now firmly on the NE map.

With King Georges I, II, III, and then IV, many boys were christened George and nicknamed 'Geordie'. In 1812, there was a huge gas explosion at the Felling Pit - killing 93 people. A local vicar, Rev. Hodgson wrote to the local and National press pleading for someone to find a solution. Two men took up the challenge. One was an eminent London scientist, Humphrey (later Sir) Davy, and a local mining engineer (later father of the railways) George (later Sir) Stephenson.

Davy conducted experiments at Hebburn Colliery, while Stephenson worked not far away at Killingworth Colliery. Both men came up with similar safety lamp solutions. However Stephenson had his in production and in daily use - down the pits themselves - before Davy. When Davy got the accolades and Knighthood for his life saving invention, N.E. miners were quite rightly incensed. In true geordie fashion, they boycotted the 'Davy Lamp' as it was called, and insisted on using the Stephenson lamp, which they christened the 'Geordie Lamp'. This furore got national press coverage and further strengthened the use of 'Geordie' as a generic nickname for Tynesiders.

We then had in the 20th century King George V. and VI to further popularise the name George and its associated NE nickname Geordie - already very very popular on Tyneside. There were also other famous Geordies such as Geordie 'Geordie' Ridley in the 1860's, who wrote 'The Blaydon Races' amongst other famous NE songs.

Jeff writes from North Shields:

The origin of the Geordie Nation can be traced back to North Shields 1202, at this time there was a local family living on the land that would in hundreds of years time become known as the Ridges (perhaps better known as the Meadowell which was made famous some years back when they decided to have bona night a bit early). This family had 9 kids and one of them named George was coming up to his 18th birthday and told his parents that he wanted to become a fisherman and as such would build a small boat and a house down on the banks of the Tyne... So George (known to his mates as Geordie) went ahead and built his boat and house, at that time there was no other properties on the banks so this part of Shields quickly became known as Geordies. Over the years and with prosperity Geordie got married and had 11 kids of his own and naturally as time went by they set up home in different parts of North Tyneside and when they were ever asked, "who are you", they would reply "we're Geordies kids" and as dad (Geordie) was well known on Tyneside this would let people know who they were. I'm sure you can then see that this in Geordie translates as "wa Geordies lyke", and it was not long before every one from Shields/Tyneside became known as Geordies.

Subject: RE: What is a Geordie?
From: bill\sables
Date: 29 Mar 00 - 07:07 PM

By hell Conrad thay was a lang therad ye did theor yhe shud write a beuk man. The main words any foreigner who visits Geordie Land should learn is "Wey Ye Bugger Man Broons All Roond" this will make you friends with the natives. Cheers Bill

Subject: RE: What is a Geordie?
From: annamill
Date: 29 Mar 00 - 07:54 PM

I knew I'd find ya here, Billy boy.

Did you all know that the well known song "Billy Boy" was a Geordie song as is our Bill? Lookin forward to seeing you my friend. I wish Lorna was coming. I've never known anyone that I've known for such a short time and then missed them when they were gone.

Oh where have you been, Billy Boy. Billy Boy. Oh, where have ya been, charmin Billy ;-)

Love, annap

Subject: RE: What is a Geordie?
From: Mooh
Date: 29 Mar 00 - 08:12 PM

Sorry I haven't had time to read all this thread. Check out Jez Lowe & the Bad Pennies song "Had Away, Gan On", especially the last two verses for references to both Geordies and Blaydon Races. Great cd btw. It's called "The Parish Notices". Peace, Mooh.

Subject: RE: What is a Geordie?
From: bill\sables
Date: 29 Mar 00 - 08:26 PM

Most of British history started in the area around Newcastle believe it or not. When the Angles sailed up the Tyne they got off the boat at Newcastle and the Accute Angles went North up to Scotland, The Obtuse Angles went South down the A1 and started London but the Right Angles stayed there and become the Geordies. They were going to have the Nativity in Newcastle but they couldn't find three wise men and a Virgan was out of the question, so they held it about six miles West of Newcastle in a place called Newburn and to this day we still sing the carol Glory to the newburn King.
When the Romans came Hadrian, who was a bit of a builder as well as being an Emperor built the Roman Wall right across Britain from Wallsend to Cumberland to keep out the Celtic and Rangers supporters, but he also built a paint factory at Haltwhistle and a chain of Supermarkets who sold out a few years ago to Tesco.
Then of course there was Geordie Stevenson who built the railways (Railroads in America)
But the most famous Geordie was Hesperous Sprott although not a lot of people know of him mailly because he kept changing his name for tax reasons but a few of his alias's were Alexander Graham Bell, John Logie Beard, Louis Pasteur,Benjamin Franklin, Albert Einstein and of course Bill Gates.
So you can see by this potted history of the Geordies that if it wasn't for us you would all probably be still living in caves.

Cheers Bill

Subject: RE: What is a Geordie?
From: GUEST,Coley The Geordie
Date: 30 Mar 00 - 07:27 AM

Speaking of Geordies, some people may be suprised to learn that the world famous song "Auld Lang Syne" was not written by Scotsman Robbie Burns but was actually written by some bloke in Gosforth!!!!

Just thawt ye arl shud naa!

Coley

Subject: RE: What is a Geordie?
From: SDShad
Date: 30 Mar 00 - 11:03 AM

Apropos of nothing, I've a cousin nicknamed Geordie, but his given name is Gwain, not George.

But then, we've always been a strange family.....

Chris

Subject: RE: What is a Geordie?
From: Bert
Date: 30 Mar 00 - 12:16 PM

Bill, 'John Logie Baird' is unknown this side of the pond. Perhaps you should explain which particular monstrosity he perpetrated upon our poor long suffering civilization.

Subject: RE: What is a Geordie?
From: Joan
Date: 30 Mar 00 - 03:26 PM

Betty and Norman McDonald, both Geordies, are going to be doing concerts over here in April and May. Don't know the exact locations, but if you are in the DC area, the Boston area, the NY area---or places in between, check the local concert schedules. If you've never heard those adorable people, now's your chance! (Come to think of it, they'll be at NEFFA. I've already talked them into joining the garden song workshop with me and a bunch of other singers, some Mudcat regulars.) Be a good way to get a good earful of Geordi-ese. Joan

Subject: RE: What is a Geordie?
From: Bert
Date: 30 Mar 00 - 03:35 PM

They are great, Joan. They'll be here in West Chester, PA. I'll see if I can find out when.

Subject: RE: What is a Geordie?
From: zander (inactive)
Date: 30 Mar 00 - 06:53 PM

Why divant ye talk te me aboot geordies, ya divant naa what yer taalking aboot, allreet hinnie, Dave

Subject: RE: What is a Geordie?
From: Conrad Bladey (Peasant- Inactive)
Date: 01 Apr 00 - 10:25 AM

There will be soon on my pages a Geordie Glossary..../dictionary Stay tooned ! You can already find a list of Names and places found in the songs.... http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~dc920/HomePage.priests.html Conrad

Subject: RE: What is a Geordie?
From: Joan
Date: 01 Apr 00 - 03:59 PM

Bert, just checked. Betty and Norman will be singing at Tim Brown's in West Chester on April 28th--try not to miss them, since they'll be gannen hyem soon after. (They brought me a Geordie dictionary when they stayed with me a couple of years ago.) Joan

Subject: RE: What is a Geordie?
From: GUEST,Michael
Date: 04 Apr 00 - 03:29 PM

But so far nobody has mentioned the most famous Geordie of them all. I am of course referring to that icon of rectitude and tact Sid the Sexist "Tits oot fer the lads!"

Subject: RE: What is a Geordie?
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Apr 00 - 01:11 PM

Michael, that reminds me of when we were coming back from Wembley despondent for the 2nd year running.We were on the train and there was this young lass, well stacked and well she knew it. Well, as she walked up the carriage one of the lads commented " nice suit !" "Oh , it's not a suit!" she replied..." Nah man hinny" he said " aa mean theyed be nice oot...go on, get them oot for the lads !" fnnar fnaar. Perhaps it will be different this weekend let's hope so.

Ritchie

Subject: RE: What is a Geordie?
From: Bert
Date: 05 Apr 00 - 01:18 PM

Thanks Joan, I'll try to be there.

Subject: RE: What is a Geordie?
From: David Brannan
Date: 08 May 00 - 01:21 PM

The glossary in my book of Robert Burns (1759-1796) says that Geordie is the diminutive of George, and was thus also the nickname for the guinea coin, which bore King George's likeness. A little song of Burns' goes like this:

Louis, What Reck I by Thee

Louis, what reck I by thee, Or Geordie on his ocean? Dyvor beggar louns to me! I reign in Jeanie's bosom!

Let her crown my love her law, And in her breast enthrone me, Kings and nations -- swith awa! Reif randies, I disown ye.

Burns clearly means King Louis XVI of France and King George III of England here. dyvor = bankrupt; louns = clowns, rascals; swith = shoo!; awa = away; reif = thieving; randies = ruffians.

A GREAT Burns site: http://members.xoom.com/MkeBurnsClub/

Subject: RE: What is a Geordie?
From: Guy Wolff
Date: 08 May 00 - 05:45 PM

Hello All . Is Billy Pig considered a Geordie.. ?? All the best , Guy

Subject: RE: What is a Geordie?
From: GUEST,Ritchie
Date: 09 May 00 - 06:56 AM

Just an update to our yearly visit to Wembley.

As is our wont, we go to Trafalgar Square the night before the match where literally thousands of supporters gather,most of them drunk but good humoured.They climb onto the monument and bathe fully clothed in the fountains,you know the usual sort of thing.

Well this year we were standing watching all the shananigans going on when we were approached by an Australian tourist who was bewildered by what was happening.

hundreds of people wearing black and white stips climbing all over Nelsons column.

" excuse me " he said " but can you please explain what's going on ?"

" Whey man it's Nelson Day " replied my friend." you must have heard of him, that's him up there on top of the monument the Great Admiral Nelson. Ivory year we make the pilgramage doon from newcassell t'pay homage to him because he used t'gan into battle wearing black and white singing this wor cry ..." and at this point he starts to sing one of the chants and everyone joins in.." we are the Geordie, the Geordie boot boys, and we are mental and we are mad..we are the loyalist football supporters, the world has ever had...we are the geordie the ...." the crowd carry one singing into the night, the Australian tourist is happy and we, well when we stopped laughing...

As Prince once said 'whey man ,act yor age not ya shoo size' whey what does he knaa aboot oot?

aal the best Ritchie

Subject: RE: What is a Geordie?
From: Conrad Bladey (Peasant- Inactive)
Date: 09 May 00 - 05:03 PM

I thought that this would fit in right about here! Also in its own thread! Enjoy!

The War Songs of Newcastle United!
Please note that adult language lies ahead. It is however the way these songs were recorded.

Hello Hello

Hello, hello We're all Geordie Boys Hello,
hello We're all Geordie Boys
We're gonna win the Football League
We're gonna win the Cup
We all follow United 

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Toon Toon
You need two sections of crowd for this one!

Section 1: Toon! Toon!
Section 2: Black and White Army!
Section 1: Toon! Toon!
Section 2: Black and White Army! etc. etc.

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The Blaydon Races!
(Very famous Geordie song, by Geordie Ridley)

I went to Blaydon Races Twas on the 9th of June Eighteen Hundred and Sixty Two On a Summer's Afternoon
I took the bus from Balmbras And she was heavy laden
Away we went along COLLINGWOOD STREET
That's on the Road to Blaydon

Oh me lads, you should've seen us gannin
Passing the folks along the road
And all of them were starin'
All the lads and lasses there
They all had smilin' faces
Gannin along the Scotswood Road
To see the Blaydon Races

We flew past Armstrong's factory
And up by the Robin Adair
But gannin ower the Railway Bridge
The bus wheel flew off there
The lasses lost their crinolenes
And veils that hide their faces
I got two black eyes and a broken nose
In gannin to Blaydon Races

Oh me lads...

Now when we got the wheel back on
Away we went again
But them that had their noses broke
They went back ower hyem
Some went to the dispensary
And some to Doctor Gibbses
And some to the infirmary
To mend their broken ribses

Oh me lads...

We flew across the Tyne Bridge
And came to Blaydon Toon
The barman he was calling then
They called him Jackie Broon
I saw him talking to some chaps
And them he was persuadin'
To gan and see Geordie Ridley's
show At the Mechanics' Hall in Blaydon

Oh me lads...

Now when we got to Paradise
There were bonny games begun
There were four and twenty on the bus
And how we danced and sung
They called on me to sing a song
So I sang 'em 'Paddy Fagan'
I danced a jig and I swung me twig
The day I went to Blaydon

Oh me lads...

The rain it poured down all the day
And made the ground quite muddy
Coffee Johnny had a white hat on Shouted
'Wee stole the cuddy?'
There were spice stalls and monkey shows
And old wives selling ciders
And the chap on the ha'penny roundabout
Saying 'Any more lads for riders?'

Oh me lads... (to fade) 

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E-I-E-O

E-I-E-I-E-I-O Up the Premier League we go
When we get to Europe
This is what we'll sing
We are Geordies, super Geordies
Keegan is our King

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Kevin Keegan

There's only one Kevin Keegan
One Kevin Keegan
We're walking along,
singing this song
Walking in a Keegan Wonderland
-Sung to the Tune of "Walking in a Winter Wonderland" 

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Philippe, Philippe

Philippe, Philippe Albert Everyone knows his name..

and repeat a large number of times! Going on to sing the "everyone join in all of his games" bit is optional!

We are hard to beat Say we are hard to beat
 

also

We are top of the league Say we are top of the league!

Sung to the tune of "Rupert the Bear"

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Peter the Great

They call him Peter the Great
He wears number 8
He plays for the Toon
He's called Beardsley
He's beautiful and he's ours,
all ours all ours

To the tune of Ringo Starr's "You're 16, you're beautiful.."

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To the tune of "My Old Man's a Dustman"?

Sir John Hall's got the money Keegan is our boss They've got Andy Cole And we don't give a toss

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The Geordie Boot Boys Song

We are the Geordies. The Geordie Boot Boys and
we are mental and we are mad.
We are the loyalest football supporters
the world has ever had.

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The Tony Green Song
(VERY old one this)

We got Tudor from Sheffield and Hibbit from Leeds
MacDonald from Luton and Smith Aberdeen
But we got the greatest the world's ever seen
We bought him from Blackpool his name's Tony Green

Ohhhhhhhhhh Tony Tony, Tony Tony Tony Tony Tony Green ........etc

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Peter Beardsley

Thank you very much for Peter Beardsley
Thank you very much
Thank you very very very much
Thank you very much for Peter Beardsley
Thank you very very very very much

(To be sung at Everton matches, or at Man Utd matches if you change the "Peter Beardsley" bit to "7 million")

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Black and White Sox Ruel Ruel

Who's that man in the Black and White Sox Ruel Ruel
Who's that man in the Black and White Sox Ruel Ruel
Fox RUEL RUEL FOX RUEL RUEL FOX
Who's that man in the Black 'n White
Sox RUEL RUEL FOX

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Ruel Fox

Ruel Fox,
Ruel Fox Ruel,
Ruel Fox
He gets in the box in his black and white sox
Ruel, Ruel Fox

or alternatively.. (to the old AC tune)

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And for Albert -

Phillipe Albert,
Phillipe Albert,
Phillipe Albert,
Phillipe (Albert),
There's only one Albert,
Albert, Albert,
There's only one Albert, oh yeah.

To the tune of Do Da Do Da etc

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To the tune of "Do you want to be in my gang".

Some Geordie Patriotism -

Geordie's are the Pride of England, Tra-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la.

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When the Mags go Marching In

Oh when the Mags,
go marching in,
Oh when the Mags go marching in,
I want to be in that number,
Oh when the Mags go marching in

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Newcastle, Newcastle, Newcastle.

Section 1: Give ma an "N"
Section 2:"N" "N"
Section 1: Give me an "E"
Section 2: "E" "E"
Section 1: give me a Wubble U
Section 2: "Wubble U" "Wubble U" etc.
then... 1234, Listen to the Geordies roar,

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The "Submarine" Song

Oh, whey-ya-knaa,
Oh, whey-ya-knaa,
Oh, whey-ya-knaa,
Oh, whey-ya-knaa,
Oh, whey-ya-knaa,
Oh, whey-ya-knaa,
Oh, whey-ya-knaa, O
h, whey-ya-knaa.

To the tune of Yellow Submarine. 

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One for Gilly -

We've got Gilly-Gilly-Gilly-Gillyespie,
On the wing, on the wing,
We've got Gilly-Gilly-Gilly-Gillyespie,
On the wing, on the wing,
Gilly-Gillyespie, Gillyespie on the wing,
Gilly-Gillyespie, Gillyespie on the wing,

To the tune of The Outhere Brothers Boom, Boom hit

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Toon-Toon-Toon, everybody say Wheyaye (wheyaye!)

To the tune of The Outhere Brother's "Wiggle, Wiggle" 

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Don't stop Peter Beardsley
He's the one who drives me crazy
Dribble, Dribble. Dribble, Dribble

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N and E and a wubble U C. A and S and T L E. U N I. T E D. Newcastle United. FC.

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Yes we are the world's most passionate fans,
And we look real cool 'cos the Geordies rule with
Ginola La-la-la Ginola La-la-la Ginola
He'll score us a goal-a

etc. etc.

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In the land, where I was born,
Lives a man, with a monkey's heed,
And he went to S*nderland,
And his name, is Peter Reid.
[altogether now] Peter Reid's got a f***in' monkey's heed,
A f***in' monkey's heed,
A f***in' monkey's heed,
Peter Reid's got a f***in' monkey's heed,
A f***in' monkey's heed,
A f***in' monkey's heed.

To the tune of Yellow Submarine... 

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This one to the tune of Daydream Believer

Cheer up Peter Reid,
Oh what can it mean to a sad mackem bastard,
And a shit football team.

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Drink, drink, wherever we may be
We are the drunk and disorderly
And we will drink
wherever we may be
For we are the drunk and disorderly...

I was drunk last night
I was drunk the night before
And I'm gonna get drunk like
I've never been drunk before
Cos when we're drunk we're as happy as can be ...
For we are the drunk and disorderly

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When I go a-wandering
Along the cliffs of Dover
If I see a Mackem c**t
I'll push the b*****d over.

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Harry Roberts Song
(to annoy the constabulary)

Harry Roberts is a friend
Is a friend, is a friend
Harry Roberts is a friend
He shoots coppers

Shoots the ba***rds with a gun
With a gun, with a gun
Shoots the ba***rds with a gun
Harry Roberts

Shoots the ba***rds two by two
two by two two by two
Shoots the ba***rds two by two
He kills coppers

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No spring chicken this one, either!

We've got Mirandinha
He's not from Argentina
He's from Brazil
He's f***ing brill.

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The Magpie Ranger

Wherever we go
( Wherever we go )
People want to know
( People want to know )
Who we are
( Who we are )
Should we tell 'em
( Should we tell 'em )
Who we are (
Who we are )

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[ Stage Directions : Mass Pogoing : ]

We are the Mags
we are the Mags
We are, we are ,
we are The Mags

I want to be a Magpie Ranger
(one person singing)
I want to be a Magpie Ranger
(crowd singing)
Only live for sex and danger
(one person singing)
Only live for sex and danger
(crowd) etc.
go left go left go left
right left
go left
go right
go pick up the stride
go left go right go left
we hate ManU 'cos they beat us
7-2
repeat chorus

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Another old one -

Who's that team we call United,
Who's that team we all adore,
Oh, we play in Black and White,
And we all know how to fight,
We'll support you ever more.

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Another version of "Toon, Toon, Black and White Army" -

Toon, Toon,
Hate the Mackems,
Toon, Toon,
Hate the Mackems.

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Bertie Mee said to Joe Har-vey,
Have you heard of the North Bank High-bury,
No, says Joe, I don't think so,
But I've heard of Geordie Aggro.

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We love you Sunderland,
we do We love you Sunderland,
we do We love you Sunderland,
we do Oh, Sunderland we love you

Do we h***!

Do we sh**e! We support the Black and White!

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They call us Newcastle United,
They call us the cream of the land,
And here's to Bobby Moncur,
The Fairs Cup in his hand,
We're better than Glasgow Rangers,
We're better than Celtic too,
And if you don't support us,
You must be a Sunderland Jew Joe Joe Harvey

( Apologies for racism but these were politically incorrect times unlike the non-sexist non-violent songs of nowadays ...) 

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THE FULWELL END
THE FULWELL END
IS ALWAYS FULL
IS ALWAYS FULL
THE FULWELL END
IS ALWAYS FULL

FULL OF WHAT
FULL OF PUFFS
AND S***S AND
W***ERS
THE FULWELL END
IS ALWAYS FULL

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Thank you very much for Peter Beardsley
Thank you very much Thank you very very very much
Thank you very much for Peter Beardsley
Thank you very very very very much

(To be sung at Everton matches, or at Man Utd matches if you change the "Peter Beardsley" bit to "7 million")

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We drink Ex We drink Brown
We're gonna wreck your f***ing Town
(at away matches..)

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Sung to the tune of the Laughing Policeman

I know a makem takem,
he lives along the way,
I know he is a makem,
he's big and fat and gay,
and every time I see him,
he makes me want to spew,
he's just a mekem takem,
from Division two, hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah......

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To the tune of Chuck Berry's My Ding-a-ling..

When I was a little bitty boy,
My grandmother bought me a cute little toy,
Two Sunderland fans,
hanging on a string,
She told me to kick their F*****G heads in.

Chorus:
Mackems on a string,
Mackems on a string,
She told me to kick their F*****G heads in.

Mackems on a string,
Mackems on a string,
She told me to kick their F*****G heads in.

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Bertie Mee said to Joe Har-vey,
Have you heard of the North Bank High-bury,
No, says Joe, I don't think so,
But I've heard of Geordie Aggro.

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Another version of "Toon, Toon, Black and White Army" -

Toon, Toon, Hate the Mackems,
Toon, Toon, Hate the Mackems.

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For those not from Manchester -

The famous Man. United went to Rome to see the Pope,
The famous Man. United went to Rome to see the Pope,
The famous Man. United went to Rome to see the Pope,
and this is what he said, "FUCK OFF",
Who the fuck are Man. United,
Who the fuck are Man. United,
Who the fuck are Man. United,
as the mags go marching on on on.

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One to amuse Boro..

You're going down on your daughter,
Down on your daughter,
You're going down on your daughter.

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Shag your bairns,
Shag your bairns,
Shag your bairns,
Shag your bairns,
Shag your bairns,
Shag your bairns.

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One finger, one thumb is just enough to give your kids a treat.

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Who's that team we call United,
Who's that team we all adore,
Oh, we play in Black and White,
And we all know how to fight,
We'll support you ever more.

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