Training detracts from 'soul' of music?

Subject: RE: Training detracts from 'soul' of music?
From: John Routledge
Date: 02 May 02 - 01:23 PM

Thanks for the post Amos. Having re-read it I will not attempt to add to it. Cheers.

Subject: RE: Training detracts from 'soul' of music?
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 02 May 02 - 01:18 PM

It has always been training plus "soul." The training may be formal, or self-acquired but is often some of each.

Subject: RE: Training detracts from 'soul' of music?
From: paddymac
Date: 02 May 02 - 01:18 PM

Bravo Amos. You've said it all, and very succinctly.

Subject: RE: Training detracts from 'soul' of music?
From: Amos
Date: 02 May 02 - 01:13 PM

An individual can use his training as a better instrument, to enhance his real communication; or, he can use it as a substitute for really being there and communicating. If he is trained to abandon his soul, and buys into that kind of training, he will end up like a polished empty gourd of fine technique that does not cvommunicate. If instead he keeps his eye on the REAL value of the training his communication can be dramatically improved by his mastery of technical bits. It's easy to hide behind technique to the detriment of communication but that should not invalidate training.

A

Subject: RE: Training detracts from 'soul' of music?
From: mojotadpeaux
Date: 02 May 02 - 11:46 AM

I think it was Doc Watson who said that style is what is developed to make up for lack of technique. I don't know how much that applies to soul, but my guess is that like a blind person might develop other senses, so goes the technique deprived.

that being said, I think it all depends on how you are trained. Voice lessons are good, but what style of singing are you learning. Classical, folk, rock? all genres have different styles and techniques for singing and a folk singer who gets classical voice lessons may find themselves less apt at folk singing.

Lastly, you may get lost in learning and lose the soul of it all, but that may be a natural progression that revolves around and around. Always seek the soul if that's what you want.

Subject: RE: Training detracts from 'soul' of music?
From: MMario
Date: 02 May 02 - 11:31 AM

I think it depends on the person, the person(s) training them and the venue they perform in. I can see where it *could* detract; but would think in the long run would help

Subject: Training detracts from 'soul' of music?
From: GUEST
Date: 02 May 02 - 11:28 AM

Many singers/players who didn't have professional training were/are considered the ones with a lot of 'soul', 'emotion' what have you. I'm sure you can think of an example.

Do you think training is a good thing (beyond the basics)? If one learns to sing/play correctly, will that person lose some of their personal signature?

Any thoughts?