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Subject: RE: BS: Great British Pubs From: Jon Freeman Date: 09 May 02 - 10:44 AM I didn't know the Malt Loaf had that amount of music. It used to have acts on all week for events such as the Conwy Festival but other than that, it just had the Folk Club on a Monday night. There may have been changes but the Conwy club was a formal folk club having a guest aritist approximately 1 in 4 weeks and singer's nights the rest of the time. The Tap and Spile in Bangor used to have a Welsh session on a Monday night but again that may have changed. The only venue in North Wales I can be certain of is the Friday night mostly Irish session which takes place in the Nelson. I was in the Nelson a couple of weeks ago for an excellent weekend of music with people from Ireland, Holland, London, Manchester, Leeds, etc as well as the regulars. Over the whole weekend, I only met up with one of the Conwy/Llandudno area player and didn't get to find out about what was going on round that area. Jon |
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Subject: RE: BS: Great British Pubs From: GUEST,Owain Date: 09 May 02 - 10:05 AM The Malt Loaf in Conwy, N. Wales has a consistant mix of performance/sessions every night, except Sundays, I believe. Monday is an open stage/session w/all attending taking turns onstage. Great pub w/warm people and a good mix of abilities. The Cambrian Hotel in Aberystwyth has Tuesday night performance/open stage sponsored by the Cambrian Folk Club. Usually there's a featured guest along with the open stage, but not always. On Wednesdays there's a 'session teaching' gathering led by a gentleman by the name of Peter. He's a gifted teacher/player and loves traditional music. He conducts the session like a class and if you're an experienced player you may be a little bored as he gears things to the person of least ability. There's another session at the 'Tap and Spile' in Bangor, but I'm not too sure when it's held. These were my personal favorites for a variety of reasons. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Great British Pubs From: Peg Date: 09 May 02 - 09:38 AM I went to one in the Cotswolds once called the Slug and Lettuce; which is my fave for pub names...
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Subject: RE: BS: Great British Pubs From: GUEST,Mr Red down memory lane Date: 09 May 02 - 07:16 AM Wellington Hotel? doesn't that have session on a Wed? I nominate the Black Swan - in York the have (had?) a Thurs club night there, oak beams good venue then again there is a Black Swan in Much Dewchurch near Hereford, oak beams and a fantastic singaround on a Thursday probably every week if I remember, on my site - cresby.com Fleece at Bretforton (owned now by the NT) is a nice old place. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Great British Pubs From: Ian Darby Date: 08 May 02 - 08:58 PM The Packet House in Eccles Manchester, and the Wellington Hotel, Boscastle, Cornwall. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Great British Pubs From: Sarah the flute Date: 08 May 02 - 09:35 AM Ringer - yes it was the priory come to think of it - knew it had something to do with churchy things - maybe I was never fully aware of my surroundings at the time anyway - come to think of it think the priest house or even priest hole may have been the name of the watering place I frequented as an impoverished student in Salford! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Great British Pubs From: Nigel Parsons Date: 08 May 02 - 08:31 AM Nice site for the Coalbrookdale! pleasant to have music while the site is loading! Nigel |
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Subject: RE: BS: Great British Pubs From: Wilfried Schaum Date: 08 May 02 - 08:20 AM URL alarm! www.coalbrookdale-inn.com is wrong also. Whenever a British URL *.com is given, change it into *.co.uk, and hope it will work. So let it be with http://www.coalbrookdale-inn.co.uk/. Wilfried |
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Subject: RE: BS: Great British Pubs From: Ringer Date: 08 May 02 - 05:57 AM A nuncle -> an uncle |
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Subject: RE: BS: Great British Pubs From: Nigel Parsons Date: 08 May 02 - 04:21 AM Jim Dixon: Naught/ aught; this is another example of older English words which have lost the initial 'n' through lazy speech. Similarly, 'A norange' (IIRC naranja in Spanish, from whence this fruit came) is now known as 'an orange' Never mind Thread Creep, this is linguistic creep! Nigel |
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Subject: RE: BS: Great British Pubs From: GUEST,Dave Hunt Date: 07 May 02 - 10:40 PM My local is one of the best pubs EVER! The Coalbrookdale Inn, Coalbrookdale, Nr. Ironbridge, Shropshire Winner of the CAMRA [Campaign for Real Ale] National Pub of the Year in 95 and runner up in 96. Mike, our wonderful landlord has had over TWO THOUSAND different beers on in the ten years he has been there....all premium beers too..i.e all over 4%. Always seven beers on hand pumps, plus lagers, Stouts, Draught traditional Cider etc Brilliant food [Mike was a chef on cruise liners for years]lunchtime specialising in hot baguettes eg Pork and Stuffing...known to everyone as Stork and Puffin! ..Pear and Stilton..SpicyLamb [lots of chili sauce] Then in the evenings food is only available from 6 - 8 which means that by 9 the whole place is available to drinkers! I run a monthly music session there (3rd Sunday evenings) and we have lots of other 'events' eg St. Beards Night in Jan, Titanic Night in April, and lots of other silly events. The pub is probably a hundred feet above the River Severn, butwith the aid if some faked pics, Mike managed to convince lots of people that it had originally been a lifeboat Station! No Juke box, no piped music, no gaming machines.....a proper pub....well worth a visit...if you are in the area mail me at daverhunt@aol . com and I'll meet you there for a jar. They do have a website at www.coalbrookdale-inn.com Check it out! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Great British Pubs From: GUEST,Lyle Date: 07 May 02 - 09:20 PM I *loved* the few old pubs in London that we had time to visit. I know this is thread creep, but one of the things I enjoyed most was just hearing the names of the places. Could we get a thread on favorite names of English Pubs? Lyle |
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Subject: RE: BS: Great British Pubs From: GUEST,Paul Date: 07 May 02 - 07:17 PM My favourite pub in the entire world is the Mason's Arms , in the Lake District. Its a lovely pub in a gorgeous location, it brews its own (very tasty) beer, has various guest ales and stocks 150! different bottled beers from around the world. The food is great too (if a little expensive) The major drawback is that it's in the middle of nowhere, and can only be accessed by car. Guess who has to drive :-( Paul |
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Subject: RE: BS: Great British Pubs From: Jim Dixon Date: 07 May 02 - 07:01 PM Several years ago, I saw a documentary on the Discovery Channel (a cable channel in the US) about the Blue Anchor in Helston! They're apparently one of the oldest brew pubs still in existence. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Great British Pubs From: 8_Pints Date: 07 May 02 - 06:27 PM Duplicate post caused by ODBC 40001 failure so retransmitted. Sorry! Please remove. Bob vG |
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Subject: RE: BS: Great British Pubs From: 8_Pints Date: 07 May 02 - 06:26 PM An interesting little pub in Helston is the Blue Anchor. I think it is old, but can't remember how old. It serves a splendid variety of 'Spingo' ales of differing strengths - superb! Bob vG |
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Subject: RE: BS: Great British Pubs From: Lonesome EJ Date: 07 May 02 - 04:51 PM Jim, my Grandfather spoke the same way..."there's seven-aught crows a-sitting on yon Chestnut tree!" He was of Scotch-Irish stock from the Appalachian and PIedmont areas of KY, VA and SC, and it's said that many of the settlers who came there in the 16 and 1700s brought the speech of that era in Britain, and that it is still close to its origins. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Great British Pubs From: Jim Dixon Date: 07 May 02 - 04:35 PM Dialect question: I've heard the term "Naughts (or maybe Noughts) and Crosses" but not "Aughts and Crosses." Do naught and aught mean exactly the same thing? Is it a regional dialect thing? Where does it come from? My dad, who grew up on a farm in Kentucky, used the word "aught" (or it might have been "naught"—it's hard to tell the difference between "a naught" and "an aught") where people today would normally say "zero." I've often wondered whether his dialect could be traced to a certain region of England. Any dialect experts out there? If I described his dialect in detail, could you identify it? Calling 'Enry 'Iggins! There's lots of other stuff I could list, like using "chimley" for "chimney" and so on. I assume my ancestry is mostly English, because nearly all my known ancestors had English-sounding names, but no one has ever actually traced them back that far. Please excuse the thread creep. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Great British Pubs From: DonD Date: 07 May 02 - 03:21 PM On a motoring trip through the West (Devon and Cornwall) back in the 50's as a newlywed, my wife and I were urged not to miss stopping at The Ship in Porlock and/or The Bell in Hurley, but we never found either one of them. Trying to rendezvous with a couple we'd met on the boat coming over to Plymouth, we asked a gent in -- I've drawn a blank on the name of the town -- where a tourist would be likely to be having lunch. Without hesitation he said, "Otsencrusses!" or so we heard it. After several repetitions with as little communication and a growing sense of irritation on his part at our stupidity, we feigned comprehension, thanked him profusely, and drove a little further to see the pub with the sign of what we would call a Tic-Tac-Toe game. Aha! The Aughts and Crosses! No, our friends weeren't there, and I have no recollection of the food or drink. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Great British Pubs From: Jon Freeman Date: 07 May 02 - 03:04 PM Jim, it is a shame about the walls getting knocked down in pubs but the trend continues... One drawback as far as I'm concerned is for folk clubs and sessions (and perhaps other events). I believe it's much better to have these events in a separate room and allow people the choice of whether to enjoy the music or to enjoy a pint and a chat in the other bar than to try to run one in one big room where the chances are, a number of the locals will have no interest in the music. The landlord of one pub in Llandudno hit on an interesting idea when he decided to open his pub out. He built a partition wall on rails. During the daytime, he operated the pub with a family room. He also used 2 rooms for the folk club and perhaps for other functions. On other nights, he tended to have singers in and the pub used to get quite packed - on those nights he ran the pub as one big room. Jon |
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Subject: RE: BS: Great British Pubs From: Mountain Dog Date: 07 May 02 - 03:02 PM If in Cornwall, stop in for a pint at the Pandora Inn in Restronguet (our local when we lived there). No sessions, but a lovely waterside pub dating to the 15th Century (alledgedly) and properly thatched on top. Closer to Truro on the road to Playing Place is "The Punchbowl and Ladle" which had sessions when we lived nearby some years ago. Worth looking into if you're in the neighborhood. And by the way, Shambles, were the apparitions you referred to at the Little Bear in Evergreen (Colorado) those depending from the ceiling, multi-hued and ranging in size from 32AA to 48DD? Casts a whole new meaning on "being in one's cups", doesn't it? We've seen many a fine concert there (though folk and trad music are less common than blues and R&R) And as for the prodigious line of Harleys parked out front, have you ever seen a drunk stagger out and inadvertently start a game of "Harley dominoes"? Guaranteed to clear the bar! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Great British Pubs From: GUEST,Desdemona at work Date: 07 May 02 - 02:46 PM Oh, my---you're singing my song! Ye Olde Trip to Jerusalem, obviously, and The Haunch of Venison in Salisbury, the fabulous Lamb & Flag near Covent Garden, The George on Bankside, The Queen's Head in Sheep Street, Stratford upon Avon, The Wagon & Horses in Knowle......oh, so many. I feel a powerful thirst coming upon me now, in fact! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Great British Pubs From: Lonesome EJ Date: 07 May 02 - 02:42 PM One of the worst experiences I had in a pub was in Ayre, Scotland. It looked like a fine old pub from the outside, built right by the seashore, but when you opened the door you were immediately slammed by blaring sound from a jukebox turned up to maximum. The place was so thick with cigarette smoke you couldn't see across the room. Although the clientele was predominantly teenagers and young adults engaged in shouted conversation or banging on electronic game machines, there was a contingent of families and elderly folks sitting at the tables eating and drinking, and seemingly ignoring the noxious madness around them. Goes to show that Pubs can be every bit as bad as the worst American Dive. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Great British Pubs From: brid widder Date: 07 May 02 - 01:30 PM The White Horse in Beverley...popularly and just about exclusively known as 'Nellies'gas lights...or candles...coal fires, lots of tiny rooms & nooks and crannies flagstone floors and Sam Smith's Beer....bitter at £1.24 a pint. a folk club and jazz club meet there weekly and on the first sunday in the month there's a super afternoon session...well it starts in the afternoon!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Great British Pubs From: DougR Date: 07 May 02 - 01:14 PM LEJ, Jon, thanks. Lee, I'll steer clear of the sandwiches and go for the pasties. No jukeboxes? I wish that practice would sweep across the Atlantic. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Great British Pubs From: Ringer Date: 07 May 02 - 01:04 PM Could your "priest house" near Nottingham, Sarah the Flute, be The Priory? Somewhere near the University, as I recall? My take on pubs: |
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Subject: RE: BS: Great British Pubs From: Jim Dixon Date: 07 May 02 - 12:40 PM Despite the fact that the "ploughman's lunch" isn't really very old, I have frequently enjoyed them, along with lots of other "pub grub." Eating in a pub is nearly always much cheaper than eating in anything called a "restaurant" in England. Other alternatives, if you don't need beer, are a fish and chips shop or a "cafe" (pronounced "caff"). In summer, many pubs have lovely "gardens" (patios), often with lots of hanging baskets of flowers. What's annoying are the so-called "family rooms" which you're forced to use if you have kids with you and the garden isn't open due to bad weather. (The good news is, the law is seldom enforced outside London and some other cities, and may be growing more lax everywhere. Country pubs usually allow you to bring your kids into the room where the bar is.) Often a "family room" is just a dingy little room with no decoration and no windows, if they have one at all. There is one quaint tradition that is dying out, and that is having pubs split into two rooms: the "public bar" in front, which used to be for men only, where men could wear their work clothes, where the room was plainly furnished and the beer was a little cheaper—and the "saloon" or "lounge bar" in the rear, with a separate entrance, where the decoration was a little fancier (like a Victorian parlor), the seats were upholstered, women were allowed, men were expected to dress up a bit, and the drinks were a bit more expensive. The modern trend is to knock down the wall between the rooms, or if that is impractical for structural reasons, to treat the two rooms alike. For social reasons, I approve of the change, but for historical reasons, it's fun to see the old ones anyway. But they're getting hard to find. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Great British Pubs From: Jon Freeman Date: 07 May 02 - 12:21 PM Three Stags Head in Wardlow... not been there in a while. We sometimes used to stop there for a pint when travelling between N Wales and Sheffield. I did once try it on a music night but we couldn't get into the room with the music - too full - and ended up going elsewhere. I believe the music is good though... Jon |
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Subject: RE: BS: Great British Pubs From: Grab Date: 07 May 02 - 12:08 PM Check out the Three Stags Heads in the Peak District, about half an hour from Sheffield. Usually a good session in there on Saturday night, plus some superb beer. A "no-pretensions" pub - by the end of the night, you want a pint, you pour it yourself and put the money in the till! Very small, but superb atmosphere, especially on a good evening. And _very_ good food and beer. It's a popular pub with walkers and climbers, and is something of a second home for the Loughborough climbing club (where I found out about it) and often other climbing clubs as well (Sheffield are often there). There's a basic campsite behind the pub, or there's the infamous "pig-loft" (a small straw-filled barn which accomodates about a dozen dead-drunk cheapskate students :-) or there's also a B&B nearby.
One reference... Graham.
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Subject: RE: BS: Great British Pubs From: Wilfried Schaum Date: 07 May 02 - 11:42 AM URL for Ye Olde Man and Scythe is: http://www.manandscythe.co.uk/ Worth to be visited. Wilfried |
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Subject: RE: BS: Great British Pubs From: Jon Freeman Date: 07 May 02 - 10:40 AM here's an article on the ploughmans lunch. For food, I'm quite happy with my local in Norfolk. The landlord is Irish and the landlady from Thailand. You can get a good roast dinner (usually pork, beef, lamb and chicken on offer) with lots of locally produced vegatables, or other "traditional English" meals or venture into the oriental stuff... If I was to name my favourite pub, it would probably be the Cross Keys, Penhrynside, Wales. Nothing special about it - just a straight locals pub in a village. Why my favourite? Just a great crowd of locals (who are all 1/2 mad ;-)) and the previous and current landlords were excellent. It's been the sort of pub where I have popped in once in a while with the banjo and we've had a sing song, a pub where after late night, I agreed to have my hair cut by a "non-hairdresser" for charity (and I had to pay to get it cut after...), a pub where the tv is used sparingly, e.g. for a football match but a pub where rival supporters make fun of each other in a freindly manner (and when you support Norwich, just about everyone makes fun of you), etc. Who needs stereotyed "English pubs"? Give me a pub with character that can only come from the people and landlord anyday... Jon |
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Subject: RE: BS: Great British Pubs From: AliUK Date: 07 May 02 - 10:06 AM The Chesire Cheese in Fleet Street is an excellent pub and maze of rooms with low slung ceilings in the original ( after it was rebuilt in the sixteenth century) wood. Lovely atmosphere and on eof the cheapest pints in London ( 1.40 when I was there last year). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Great British Pubs From: Sarah the flute Date: 07 May 02 - 03:40 AM Hmmm Why have I been to most of the pubs that have been mentioned Hic! Hic! Used to go to one near Nottingham years ago - The priest house? it was near a lake in the middle of nowhere - does that still exist? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Great British Pubs From: Lonesome EJ Date: 06 May 02 - 08:32 PM Doug, despite all the bad things you hear about English Cuisine, pub food is great. The Ploughman's Lunch is always good. It is usually composed of a chunk of Cheddar, a fresh apple, bread, some liver pate or other meat, pickled onions, and something the Brits call "pickle", which is like a tart fruit chutney. Usually fish and chips is on the menu, and after several hundred years of practice, the English have gotten it down to a science. It's almost always good. Yorkshire Pudding is another favorite of mine. It's like a big beef pot pie with a light, flaky crust. But here's a warning : Avoid the sandwiches. A "Gammon Sandwich" (ham sandwich) is usually composed of two slices of white bread(always buttered) and a slice of ham so thin you can see through it. No able-bodied American could possibly eat one of these and feel in the least satisfied. Instead, go for the pasties. The closer to Cornwall you get, the bigger and better are the pasties. They are like a big, crusty meat pie with potatoes and other good stuff. Sausage Rolls are also great, sort of like "pigs in a blanket", but using the very tasty English Sausage instead. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Great British Pubs From: DougR Date: 06 May 02 - 07:44 PM Interesting thread! I've really enjoyed reading it, and hope someday to visit some of these places. Thread creep: what are examples of typical pub food served in these establishments? DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Great British Pubs From: selby Date: 06 May 02 - 02:49 PM Although I havn't been near the pup in riccall for years I think it must be the Hare & Hounds. Keith |
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Subject: RE: BS: Great British Pubs From: GUEST,aldus Date: 06 May 02 - 02:29 PM The very same..I believe it is actually in Worth..it is spectacualr on a night with a full moon when you can see the out line of Corfe Castle. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Great British Pubs From: Lonesome EJ Date: 06 May 02 - 01:48 PM aldus, is that the pub that has a beer garden in back with a view up to the castle? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Great British Pubs From: GUEST,aldus Date: 06 May 02 - 08:52 AM The Square and Compass in Dorset, near Corfe. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Great British Pubs From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 06 May 02 - 08:04 AM The White Horse in Hertford stands just outside the moat of the castle. A genuinely ancient building, all low beams. 2 bars downstairs and 3 upstairs rooms full of sofas and armchairs and rickety old tables.Real ales with interesting guest beers. best of all , 2 separate folk sessions, every Monday eve and every 3rd Sun afternoon. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Great British Pubs From: Nigel Parsons Date: 06 May 02 - 07:18 AM jimlad: nice short quote about the Welsh. Shame you stopped there. The Scots pray on their knees on Sunday and on their neighbours the rest of the week. The Welsh keep the sabbath and anything else they can get their hands on. The Irish don't know what they believe in but will fight to the death for it. The English claim to be self made men which relieves the Almighty of a horrid responsibility. As you will see, the full quote says little in favour of the English either. The other, oft quoted, line about the Welsh is also better seen in full! "Taffy was a Welshman, Taffy was a thief, Taffy came to my house, and stole a lump of beef! I went to Taffy's house, Taffy was in bed, So I picked up a chopper, and chopped off his head!" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Great British Pubs From: Bullfrog Jones Date: 06 May 02 - 06:45 AM We've got two world-famous pubs here in Stony Stratford --The Cock and The Bull. In the nursery rhyme Ride a Cock horse to Banbury Cross, the reference is to a horse hired from The Cock Hotel which was a famous coaching house, and Stony the last stop before London (or the first stop out of London).The horses were changed or rested and the passengers would stay overnight at The Cock or the hotel next door, The Bull, where they would pass the time telling stories. Over the course of a drunken night the stories would become more and more embellished and pass backwards and forwards between the two establishments, creating a new genre in storytelling --- the Cock and Bull story! Both pubs are still here today, The Cock being home to the Songloft Folk Club on alternate Fridays and The Bull hosting an excellent Sunday lunchtime session in The Vaults Bar, where you will often find me and The One And Only Dai (or Dai Trying as we know him) continuing the fine traditions of the hostelries (i.e.getting drunk and talking bull). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Great British Pubs From: jimlad Date: 06 May 02 - 05:07 AM With the reference to the English as the "aggressors" I surmise that Nigel is one of that inferior race,the Welsh. Ane Robinson was right!. The Welsh by the way "pray on their knees and on their neighbours" On a more sensible note we have a penchant for giving pubs nicknames:-
The Black Swan = The Dirty Duck. Is there any more out there?. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Great British Pubs From: C-flat Date: 06 May 02 - 04:13 AM Chanteyranger, you must mean Dr. Browns in MIddlesbrough, I know there isn't a pub of that name in Stockton but as Middlesbrough and Stockton now merge into one-another you wouldn't know if you'd changed towns! I was booked to play at Dr. Browns last Saturday night, it's a great music venue but Sunday night folk is now off the menu! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Great British Pubs From: Peter Kasin Date: 06 May 02 - 03:43 AM "Dr. Brown's" in Stockton, Yorkshire. Nice Sunday night drinking session set to folk music! chanteyranger |
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Subject: RE: BS: Great British Pubs From: The Shambles Date: 06 May 02 - 03:35 AM HICK! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Great British Pubs From: GUEST,Crazy Eddie Date: 06 May 02 - 02:55 AM Well, there's this Wetherspoons in Croydon that serves really fizzy lager, and..... I'll get me coat |
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Subject: RE: BS: Great British Pubs From: Jim Dixon Date: 06 May 02 - 12:46 AM Here are some that I've enjoyed. They may not be "great" but I had great times there: The Still and West in Portsmouth. A great view of the harbor. Also the Friary Mews, and the Red, White, and Blue. The Orange Tree in Kirkby Lonsdale. Also the Smutty Fox. The Portland in Hove. The Fountain in Gloucester, near the cathedral. It's an old inn with a central courtyard. The Fiddler's Arms in Edinburgh. The Twa Dogs in ... some town in the Lake District. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Great British Pubs From: Steve Latimer Date: 05 May 02 - 10:23 PM I toured England & Scotland about 20 years ago with a Canadian (Ice) Hockey team. Officially, we were there to play exhibition games against British Teams, unofficially to tour Pubs. I was in Ye Olde Trip To Jerusalem and found it a pretty neat spot. Another one that I really enjoyed was The Nag's Head, I can't remember the name of the town, but it was pretty close to Billingham. I had one of the the finest steaks I've ever had in my life and a wonderful Onion Soup. It wasn't like the brown French Onion Soup that we are used to here. Interestingly, the owner told us he got the recipe on a trip to Montreal. I wish I could remember the names of some of the others that we were in, but I really enjoyed many. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Great British Pubs From: The Shambles Date: 05 May 02 - 09:50 PM LEJ When are you and yours going to visit again? Let us know and rather than me telling you (and the whole world) about these places, I can show you instead.
Hopefully we may be also able to sing and play in a few of them too.
The Cove House Inn (as recommended in the House of Commons, now has its own resident bottlenose, who allows you to swim with him and tickle his belly. The Little Bear in Evergreen, has its charms too. I saw a few apparitions there too.....Plus all the Harleys outside, tied up to the sidewalk like horses..... LOL |