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Subject: Sliding into depression part 2 From: 53 Date: 06 May 02 - 01:08 PM Since everybody has those days in which you feel low I'll just make mention that I have overcome one of the biggest obstacles in my life by just going into the local store that I was working in when I became too ill to work. Hopefully this will make a change in my life and that I'll overcome other things that have been a problem in my life. Bob |
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Subject: RE: Sliding into depression part 2 From: Sorcha Date: 06 May 02 - 01:10 PM Good for you, Bob. Hang in there.......it's a long hard road. |
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Subject: RE: Sliding into depression part 2 From: 53 Date: 06 May 02 - 01:12 PM Thanks Sorcha, I will. Bob |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sliding into depression part 2 From: wysiwyg Date: 06 May 02 - 01:21 PM GREAT! Every success will make the next steps more do-able. Keep moving forward, and don't worry about the speed, Bob. Forward is forward, and every gain is actually permanent, in some fashion, though it doesn't always seem that way. ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: Sliding into depression part 2 From: Bobert Date: 06 May 02 - 01:24 PM And keep in mind, Bob, that folks who suffer from depression learn one important fact and that is in almost all cases... it passes. Anxiety disorders (panic attacks) can be controled with Paxil and other medications which don't have the side effects of alot of heavy MOA inhibitors. But remember, Bob, what I and others told you when you were in the grips of depression, exercise, exercise, excersize. Pick anything that gives you any level of pleasure but is a good workout. Doesn't matter: brisk walks of a mile 4 times a week, jogging, swimming or playing basketball, just do it. Lastly, good to hear that the hard part's over... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: Sliding into depression part 2 From: DMcG Date: 06 May 02 - 01:26 PM I'm one of the fortunate kind who never gets depression and rarely even gets depressed, which is a very different thing as you will know. My wife, on the other hand has had many attacks of varying severity - some just leave her helpless, other have required time in a ward. In the same way, sometimes a pill is enough treatment, other times formal therapy is needed. The last treatment she has had has been based around cognative therapy and, for her, it has worked wonders. It has virually eliminated her fears of storms, for example, which always brought on panic attacks. Even gale warnings were enough to send her into a spin. Now she sleeps through storms! Now, I'm not claiming this works for everyone, by any means. But hang in there and keep looking, because there are things that help. Sometimes you can find them on your own, sometimes others have to work with you to find them. So what, if it helps? I'm glad you've found something that helps you and even more glad you wanted to share it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sliding into depression part 2 From: artbrooks Date: 06 May 02 - 07:32 PM One step at a time, Bob...and every step is a victory!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sliding into depression part 2 From: Lonesome EJ Date: 06 May 02 - 08:46 PM Bob, in the immortal words of Devo
Go forward! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sliding into depression part 2 From: SINSULL Date: 06 May 02 - 09:19 PM Congratulations, Bob. I remember the first time I could walk past the jewelry counter in a department without crying. One step at a time. You have taken a giant one. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sliding into depression part 2 From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 07 May 02 - 12:27 AM DEPRESSion is a concrete manifestation of SIN within one's LIFE.
The most exact description is found in regard to King David...but there are MANY others...
Abraham (Genesis 15)
Jonah (Jonah 4)
Job (Book of Job)
Elijah (1 Kings 19)
King Saul (I Samuel 16:14-23, etc.)
Jeremiah (Book of Jeremiah)
David (Psalms 6, 13, 18, 23, 25, 27, 31, 32, 34, 37-40, 42-43, 46, 51, 55, 62-63, 69, 71, 73, 77, 84, 86, 90-91, 94-95, 103-104, 107, 110, 116, 118, 121, 123-124, 130, 138, 139, 141-143, 146-147)
To AVOID DEPRESSION
1. SING - why the Hell do think most of us are here?
2. Do what you just did - SEEK HELP FROM OTHERS
3. Avoid being alone
4. Pray
Depression CAN be deadly....so be careful... seek professional counseling....another 14 y.o.kid in my area opted for suicide...but he was not female...nor a witch...not inflicted with acne...so I won't trouble the MC with details.
SEEK PROFESSIONAL HELP....don't trust your life to amatures.
Sincerely
If your choice is the other option....thanks for adding another brick to Darwin's wall. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sliding into depression part 2 From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 07 May 02 - 12:36 AM Get off the Pity Pot!!! What a sniveling bunch of whoop-assed pussies
Edgar Lee Masters said it all too well in Spoon River Anthology in "Lucinda Matlock's" last lines.
Anger, discontent and drooping hopes? Degenerate sons and daughters, Life is too strong for you— It takes life to love Life.
Sincerely, |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sliding into depression part 2 From: CarolC Date: 07 May 02 - 01:05 AM This whoop-assed p****y would like to congratulate you on your accomplishment, Bob. In the words of my friend, Mr. Mole, "one foot, other foot, and don't stop breathing". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sliding into depression part 2 From: Cappuccino Date: 07 May 02 - 03:37 AM Hope it progresses well, Bob. May the steps forward always be longer than the steps backward! All the best - Ian B |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sliding into depression part 2 From: Liz the Squeak Date: 07 May 02 - 06:45 AM 'one foot, other foot, don't stop breathing'! I like that.... two out of three ain't bad at the moment, at least I got out of bed. Odd that Gargoyle seems to be exhibiting two distinct characters - should we start calling him/her Sybil? The first character is rather evangalistic for my taste, although allegedly we share the same beliefs. The second is regretably the attitude of many people who have no understanding of the illness, and has probably caused more suicides than all the sexual discriminations, covens and problems with spots and pimples put together. LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sliding into depression part 2 From: RichM Date: 07 May 02 - 07:25 AM If you have never had clinical depression, then you don't have any idea how someone who has it, perceives existence. It is NOT simply "feeling depressed". That's a temporary mood swing, that all people have from time to time. Telling someone to pray for a cure, is about as useful as praying to heal color blindness or diabetes. And: it's cruel; and about as useful as telling someone to "snap out of it". To "cheer up". "Smile". How do I know this? From a lifetime of coping with clinical depression. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sliding into depression part 2 From: Diva Date: 07 May 02 - 08:50 AM I'm there right now....have been suffering for quite a while,combination of factors which I won't go into here. I finally went to my GP and she has been wonderful. Two weeks into the Prozac and I can finally get through the day without bursting into tears..major progress. Diva |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sliding into depression part 2 From: SharonA Date: 07 May 02 - 11:38 AM Yay, Bob! Thanks for sharing your experience with us. Here's to continued progress, and to more victories. Oh, and ignore Gargoyle and his big, bold typefaces and all his crap about trying to connect "sin" to clinical depression in any way. He obviously has "issues" to work out himself! Keep going, Bob! Sharon |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sliding into depression part 2 From: Mrrzy Date: 07 May 02 - 12:59 PM I just LOVE my new anti-depressants. Hang in there Bob, we'll all get through this together, I hope! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sliding into depression part 2 From: annamill Date: 07 May 02 - 01:32 PM A couple of months ago I would have been sympathetic but not really understanding of the whole thing. My whole life has been spent in an optomistic fairy tale. "This too will pass" has been my cry. Now, with my daughter being ill, I feel always on the verge of tears and under a lot of pressure. I just want to quit everything and go sit down on the river and spend my time fishing. I haven't been to a doctor (they put my daughter on Paxil, just in case). It's not something I do, but I'm thinking about it. I just recently had a conversation with my husband about nervious breakdowns, wondering how far one can go before one breaks. I've heard that people just start crying and can't stop. Sometimes I feel like that. It's probably just menopause, plus my daughter. I certainly feel hormonal. So, anyway, Bob, I'm beginning to know how you feel. Love, Annamill |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sliding into depression part 2 From: Pete Jennings Date: 07 May 02 - 01:56 PM My wife is currently in the depths of clinical depression. She also suffers from anorexia, diabetes and osteoporosis (which has so far claimed one half of her right ankle). She also drinks far too much, far too often. Some days she just wants to die, so it's encouraging to see the stories of people getting through it - my maxim is "there's always hope". Keep plugging away. Pete |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sliding into depression part 2 From: Mary in Kentucky Date: 07 May 02 - 02:00 PM Hi Anna, I was meaning to contact you and ask how things were going. I can only add a few personal comments, don't really know if they are relevant for you, but they were sure eye openers to me. When my father was dying I grieved for eight months before his death, watching him go. When he finally died I told my best friend that for the first time in my life I just wanted to be alone. She told me that sounded like depression, and she would let me wallow awhile, but wouldn't let me stay there. When I started the Betaseron drug for MS my doctor made me take Paxil for a year because of the terrible side effects from the drug. Incidentally I hated the drug and was glad to get off of it, but it may have been necessary. When I was diagnosed, I was told to look out for depression, and I was quite angry with many people around me. To this day I believe my anger was justifiable, but several well-meaning folks tried to analyze me and tell me that depression is anger directed inward (implying that I was depressed.) In my experience, if you suspect depression, don't rely on your own judgement, or that of your spouse and close friends, or even that of ONE doctor, or that of any laypersons who are looking to practice their diagnosing skills. Get the best professional you can find and be totally honest with them. And keep communicating...there is lots of help, but sometimes just seeking it can be overwhelming. Continued HUGS for you and Amy! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sliding into depression part 2 From: Don Firth Date: 07 May 02 - 02:20 PM It's obvious that Gargoyle has never been there. Were I Gargoyle, I would, first of all, shut my gob about things of which I am totally ignorant, and second, I would pray to God, Allah, Zeus, and every other deity in the universe—or if not of that bent, hang onto the wall for dear life and hope with every fiber of my being—that I never do find out what it's like. Been there, Bob. Hang on. This, too, will pass. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sliding into depression part 2 From: annamill Date: 07 May 02 - 02:26 PM Thank you Mary. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sliding into depression part 2 From: 53 Date: 07 May 02 - 02:53 PM Zyprexa has to be the greatest medicine in the world, cause with it I can face things a lot better than I used to do. Thanks guys for the words of encouragement. Bob |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sliding into depression part 2 From: Wyrd Sister Date: 07 May 02 - 03:57 PM Should this thread be called 'creeping ever-so-tentatively-in-case-it-notices out of depression a bit'? In which case, even more luck+good wishes. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sliding into depression part 2 From: Marcus Black Wolf Date: 07 May 02 - 04:06 PM Having suffered from clinical depression for most of my life and been hospitalised for it I'd just like to add to this. Depression IS NOT a concrete manifestation of sin - Gargoyle you are quoting scripture to suit your own ends. My own experience with depression stems mainly from my early teenage years which I spent mainly looking after a terminally ill patient in my own home (I am an only child I should point out perhaps and my father worked extrememly long hours) - perhaps Gargoyle you can tell me whether myself or my mother were the sinners there? Serious or Clinical depression is a frightening, disorienting thing - Louis MacNiece put it well in one line, "Never feel safe again". I will attempt to give people a summation of my own experience which is this - imagine waking up every day thinking you were a c**t (apologies for the swearing, I merely use the word to express the strength of feeling behind serious depression) and utterly useless or worthless. Gargoyle, you are misinterperting a subtle and valid argument that depression can be and is often wasteful of our true potential into a harsh, bitter assault on people already down on the ground. Bob, take no notice, just take everything one day at a time - bit by bit and prepare for relapses and bad moments if neccesary. Everyone who suffers from it has to find their own accomodation eventually with clinical depression. Marcus |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sliding into depression part 2 From: 53 Date: 07 May 02 - 08:27 PM What is a Gargoyle? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sliding into depression part 2 From: Don Firth Date: 07 May 02 - 08:44 PM According to Merriam-Webster:--
1. a roof spout in the form of a grotesque or fantastic creature projecting from a gutter to carry rainwater clear of the wall; Hmm. . . . Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sliding into depression part 2 From: GUEST,The Jester Date: 08 May 02 - 06:56 AM Dance below the diamond sky with one hand wavin free silueted by the see circled by the ciscus sands with all memory and fate driven deep beneath the waves forget about today until tommorow |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sliding into depression part 2 From: GUEST Date: 09 May 02 - 12:06 AM ///\\JES\/\/\ Beautiful poetry. Virtually Lyirical...stick round and we shall dance. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sliding into depression part 2 From: GUEST Date: 09 May 02 - 02:49 PM SEEK HELP! You can be helped,the worst thing about depression is that people like gargoyle keep saying is your fault! is not,is an illness and like every other illness needs a treatment.Everybody is different,and I'm sure that some people can find praying soothing,but when you're dead you can't pray anymore.So ignore gargoyle and go see a doctor. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sliding into depression part 2 From: Wyrd Sister Date: 09 May 02 - 02:56 PM I AM NEVER SO DEPRESSED I NEED TO PLAY A TAMBOURINE! Sorry jester, I still love the song tho'. (Bet that comment gets some stick. Was never intended to upset/aggravate bona fide tambourine players past, present or future. Was a statement of personal lack of intent. When I pick up a tambourine my daughter has permission to disown me. More than that, I would disown her if she didn't!) Keep going everyone - someone else thinks you're worthwhile. |
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Subject: Try Chamomile From: Stilly River Sage Date: 09 May 02 - 03:07 PM Just to touch on one aspect people have mentioned, I met a poet recently at a reading he gave, and he was visibly shaking right afterward, but a few minutes later he was fine again. He told me that he has panic attacks of a sort, but that an herbalist told him about taking chamomile capsules, and they calm him down very quickly. I don't know if he experiences depression or any of the attendant discomforts discussed here, but I was impressed at how a simple rememdy could make his life so much more comfortable. Gargoyle (hasn't that person been around this list for quite along time now? Sounds like he is in a manic phase at the moment) is practicing the time honored "blaming the victim" game. He also probably gets a physiological reaction every time someone responds to his trolling, so it is best that the group's responses to him are brief and calm. SRS
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Subject: RE: BS: Sliding into depression part 2 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 09 May 02 - 03:24 PM Yep - been there, done that, bought the T-shirt. Don't want to go back but it catches up every now and again. Keep it up Bob - you'll be better before you know it. Cheers (With no pity implied or intended;-) ) Dave the Gnome |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sliding into depression part 2 From: Liz the Squeak Date: 09 May 02 - 05:00 PM Been doing a bit of the same myself, although 'hurtling headlong' is a better description than sliding.... I'm being blamed for a lot of things that are not all my fault.. Today was a good day, and I got called out of work so missed a meeting that would have got really heavy had I been there.... maybe someone is watching out for me after all..... However, I also feel the same way about tambourines. The sight of one (and yes, I do have at least 2 in the house) is enough to start the rug from slipping beneath me..... LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sliding into depression part 2 From: Liz the Squeak Date: 09 May 02 - 05:01 PM Been doing a bit of the same myself, although 'hurtling headlong' is a better description than sliding.... I'm being blamed for a lot of things that are not all my fault.. Today was a good day, and I got called out of work so missed a meeting that would have got really heavy had I been there.... maybe someone is watching out for me after all..... However, I also feel the same way about tambourines. The sight of one (and yes, I do have at least 2 in the house) is enough to start the rug from slipping beneath me..... LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sliding into depression part 2 From: Jerry Rasmussen Date: 09 May 02 - 06:19 PM You bring back memories, Bob: I was going out with a woman many, many years ago. She too was traumatized at the thought of going into a store. She'd been in therapy for a long time and if anything, was slipping backward. I took her downtown one day and we parked near the local Woolworth's. I thought that it was a good store to try to go in to because it had two sets of doors on the front of the store. She could walk in one set of doors with me at her side, hang a left at the popcorn machine, hang another left at the food counter with the 29 cent hotdogs, and be out the other doors in about thirty seconds flat. We stood there in front of the store for the longest time until she finally got up her courage and we plunged in. In the short sprint to the second set of doors, she broke out into a cold sweat that soaked her clothes, but she did it. I congratulated her, and the next day we went down and she was able to go about a third of the way toward the back of the store before panicking and turning around. Woolworth's was our testing ground, and when she could walk to the back of the store and walk back, casually, we knew that we were ready for bigger things. A few months later, she was going out into the town like anyone else, driving and going in to stores. It all started with a sprint through Woolworth's.
You'll come all the way back, and more, Bob! Jerry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sliding into depression part 2 From: 53 Date: 12 May 02 - 12:26 PM I think that I'm about to be sick again. I can feel those thoughts of depression trying to take over me again. I think that it is the medicine that is making me sick and I'm going to call my doctor in the A.M. and report these feelings. I don't like them and I hop that they will go away. I hope that you guys don't mind me bringing this post back but I need a way to talk thru these thoughts. Bob |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sliding into depression part 2 From: RichM Date: 12 May 02 - 12:38 PM 53, hang in there-- see your doctor. You are recognizing the depression trying to "take over" you. That's good! Recognizing the mood swing is important. Just realize that it's a temporary thing. And do discuss your meds with the doc. Your dosage or type of medication may need to change. We depressives have to learn to take one day at a time, and not to be too critical of ourselves. Rich McCarthy |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sliding into depression part 2 From: GUEST,mg Date: 12 May 02 - 12:38 PM Go for it. If the thoughts are of suicide or homicide or harm to someone or yourself, get to an emergency room. If they are thoughts of worthlessness, hopelessness etc...share them... Are you on an insurance plan? Are you with an HMO? VA? Sometimes there are nurses you can call up and get help from. Take an immediate shower or bath, and later in the day do it again. Wash all your bedding. Get out in the sun and walk if you can. If you can't, just sit on the porch. Eat every few hours and don't drink. mg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sliding into depression part 2 From: Wyrd Sister Date: 12 May 02 - 01:52 PM Keep going. Look at your first post - 'I have overcome one of the biggest obstacles' - that too was you. The really low days make you (me!) feel that success was an illusion, fooling oneself, whereas the suffocating blankness of depression is real. IT WILL PASS! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sliding into depression part 2 From: Liz the Squeak Date: 12 May 02 - 04:15 PM OK, anyone got any more chocolate? I've just eaten an entire Easter egg (yes, I know, it lasted that long!!)and it's a bad night. LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sliding into depression part 2 From: GUEST,mg Date: 12 May 02 - 04:57 PM do you have any Hershey's cocoa? Just dip in a spoon and lick a little now and then. don't get too much at once. mg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sliding into depression part 2 From: Liz the Squeak Date: 12 May 02 - 05:56 PM Nope, not available in the UK.... have to make do with Green and Blacks' organic cocoa/hot chocolate drink. Or another Easter egg. LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sliding into depression part 2 From: 53 Date: 12 May 02 - 09:08 PM I don't think that it is depression cause it comes in waves. It must be the flu or something. I hope so. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sliding into depression part 2 From: SharonA Date: 13 May 02 - 06:16 PM Hang in there, Bob! Did you talk to the doctor? Liz, there's no Hershey's cocoa in the UK????? Horrors!!!!! Well, at least now we all know what to get Liz for her next Secret Santa pressie! *G* Or shouldn't we wait that long? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sliding into depression part 2 From: GUEST Date: 13 May 02 - 11:38 PM
After reading this thread for a week
...................I'm........
I'm with Gargoyle - get OFF the Pitty Pot - Alright!
No wonder you are all depressed - its all you ever think about. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sliding into depression part 2 From: Socorro Date: 14 May 02 - 03:59 PM I don't know what motivates a person to attack a fellow sojourner who is in pain, but if you're like me, you may have that sort of person in your past, as an influential figure, so you will be vulnerable to listening to them - DON'T DO IT!! Listen to all the good advice, there's a lot here. I now know i've suffered from depression since childhood, it was ignored and I was blamed for having "problems". The blamer in my case was my mother, so i have a formative voice in my head telling me I'm just taking up space that could be better used by someone more valuable. I just started to acknowledge & deal with the problem, about 3 yrs.ago. I took a mild antidepressant for about a year; the 1st morning I woke up, having had a dream in which i felt my mind was attacking me. Despite depression, at least I have always felt that my mind was my friend. So, I was wary of the med (Desyrel) but didn't stop, & the next morning, I was eager to get out of bed, for the 1st time in my life. I've now been off any med for about 1 yr., but i occasionally feel i may need to go back on. Just knowing i have a treatable illness, has been a breakthrough. Keep sharing, I for one am very grateful that you have the courage to do that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sliding into depression part 2 From: GUEST,Dora Date: 14 May 02 - 04:25 PM The "guest" comment is such abusive to people who really had or have to deal with real depression.Hey it's not like being a little sad-it's different! I know that it's ineffective trying to explain thing to IGNORANTS who don't know what they are talking about,but I keep trying. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sliding into depression part 2 From: Herga Kitty Date: 14 May 02 - 04:38 PM Guest Dora Spot on! I heard a recent radio interview with Dorothy Rowe, in which she emphasised the difference between being clinically depressed and being sad. People can be sad for good reasons, without being clinically depressed. Being clinically depressed is about feeling worthless and hopeless as an individual person, and assuming that you deserve to take the blame for being hopeless, rather than accepting that you might have problems for reasons that you aren't responsible for. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sliding into depression part 2 From: Liz the Squeak Date: 15 May 02 - 04:34 PM I'm rapidly forming the opinion that GUEST is actually my office manager who has been systematically bullying particular people for the 2 years I've known him and no-one has had the guts to take him to task over it. My team manager isn't much better. Her idea of managing office stress is to say 'that's life, get over it'. I won't take the medication, because I've taken stuff before and I don't like the way it makes me feel. I'm seeing counsellors at home and work, and I'm taking action against the bully so if you ARE my boss GUEST, watch your ass, cos everyone else is out to get it removed. LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sliding into depression part 2 From: Socorro Date: 15 May 02 - 06:48 PM LtSqueak: Good on ya!! Getting rid of an abusive boss, definitely can be done. It was done by 5 of my coworkers recently (2 n particular). The next day there was an excellent article in our local newspaper about "workaholic bosses". The description could have been her! It is a real addiction, and extremely stressful to have to deal with,as an underling. (Similar to abusive parent dynamics - scapegoating, manipulative rather than clear communication, etc.). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sliding into depression part 2 From: 53 Date: 15 May 02 - 07:14 PM No further comment. Bob |