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Lyr Req: Three Old Whores from Winnipeg

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FOUR OLD WHORES
THE WINNIPEG WHORE
WINNIPEG WHORE (2)
YOU'RE A LIAR


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Subject: Seeking lyrics to bawdy faire song
From: GUEST
Date: 10 May 02 - 06:22 PM

I'm looking for the lyrics to a rather bawdy song called "Two Whores in Winnepeg." If anyone knows of a site that might have them, I'd love to know about it. Thanks!

-J


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Seeking lyrics to bawdy faire song
From: Joe_F
Date: 10 May 02 - 06:56 PM

See "You're a Liar" in the database (but the first "moon" should be "sea"). In that version there *three* whores; in another one I know, there are four, and they hail from Liverpool.


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Subject: Lyr Add: THREE OLD WHORES FROM WINNIPEG
From: masato sakurai
Date: 10 May 02 - 08:16 PM

The one asked for seems to be a variant of song group under the titles of "Four Old Whores," "All Night Long", "You're a Liar", and so on. One version is:

THREE OLD WHORES FROM WINNIPEG

Three old whores from Winnipeg were drinking a sherry wine
Said one of them to the other two, "Yours is smaller than mine!
Oh, take up the sheets, me hearties, water the decks with brine!
Bend to the oars, you lousy whores, none is bigger than mine!

"You're a liar", said the other old whore, "Mine's as big as the sea!"
"The battleships sail in and out and are never a bother to me!"
Oh, take up the sheets, me hearties, water the decks with brine!
Bend to the oars, you lousy whores, none is bigger than mine!

"You're a liar", said the other old whore, "Mine's as big as the moon!"
"The ships sail in on the first of the year, and never come out 'til June!"
Oh, take up the sheets, me hearties, water the decks with brine!
Bend to the oars, you lousy whores, none is bigger than mine!

"You're a liar", said the other old whore, "Mine's as big as the air!"
"There's many a ship that sails right in and never tickles a hair!"
Oh, take up the sheets, me hearties, water the decks with brine!
Bend to the oars, you lousy whores, none is bigger than mine!

"You're a liar", said the first again, "I'd blush to be so small!"
"There's manys a ship that sails right in – and never comes out at all!"
Oh, take up the sheets, me hearties, water the decks with brine!
Bend to the oars, you lousy whores, none is bigger than mine!

(From HERE)

Other versions are in Ed Cray, The Erotic Muse, 2nd ed. (University of Illinois Press, 1992, pp. 6-11)["Four Old Whores"]; Guy Logsdon, The Whorehouse Bells Were Ringing (University of Illinois Press, 1989, pp. 167-168) ["All Night Long"]; Terry L. Kinsey, Songs of the Sea (Robert Hale, 1989, p. 182) ["You're a Liar"].

~Masato


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Seeking lyrics to bawdy faire song
From: masato sakurai
Date: 10 May 02 - 08:36 PM

FOUR OLD WHORES is in the DT.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Seeking lyrics to bawdy faire song
From: Bill D
Date: 10 May 02 - 08:59 PM

hmmm,,,there is a separate song called "The Winnepeg Whore"...must be an interesting town...


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Subject: Lyr Add: THREE WHORES OF WINNIPEG
From: masato sakurai
Date: 10 May 02 - 09:02 PM

Another version:

THREE WHORES OF WINNIPEG

There were three whores of Winnipeg
Drinking blood-red wine
And one unto the others said
"Yours is smaller than mine!"

chorus: So swab the decks ye bastards
Swab'em down with brine
Lay to the oars, ye lousy whores
Yours is smaller than mine!

"You're a liar," said the first whore
"Mine's as big as the air,
The fleet sails in and the fleet sails out
And never tickles a hair!" [chorus]

"You're a liar," said the second whore
"Mine's as big as the sea,
The fleet sails in and the fleet sails out,
And never bothers me!" [chorus]

"You're a liar," said the third whore
"Mine's the biggest of all,
The fleet sails in on the first of June
And doesn't come out 'til fall!" [chorus]


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Seeking lyrics to bawdy faire song
From: masato sakurai
Date: 10 May 02 - 09:04 PM

The above is from HERE. "The Winnipeg Whore" is THIS.

~Masato


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Seeking lyrics to bawdy faire song
From: Abby Sale
Date: 26 Feb 05 - 03:46 PM

"Three Aul" Whores" is said to be of hoary provenance and thus one of the most important songs I sing:

The Horny Crew, "Three whores come down from Montreal" Randolph, Roll Me in Your Arms (1992) pp.121-123, (collected 1929, 3 Aug).
Cray in Erotic Muse: Four old whores - even one with 5 whores. He cites Legman that it is the oldest known English erotic song and that John Greenway's notes on the album agree and that it descends from "A Talk of Ten Wives on Their Husbands," circa 1460. See full text http://www.lib.rochester.edu/camelot/teams/ttfrm.htm

Unsurprisingly, there are endless verse variations as above - see Digital Tradition "You're a Liar." http://www.mudcat.org/@displaysong.cfm?SongID=8047

There's two odd things here.

1) Legman claims songs bragging on the large size of genitalia are common enough world-wide...male being more common than female. It seems this one starts as relating to males but all recent ones relate to females. Has anyone seen any "missing links?"

2) Children's versions, I think, are more likely to use the 'Roly, poly, tickle my hole-y' chorus. Arthur's chorus type is more often seen:
        Oh, heave on the sheets me hearties,
        Cover the decks with brine,
        Pull on the oars, you lousy whores,
        There's none that's bigger than mine.

Is there any knowledge of actual chanties of this?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Seeking lyrics to bawdy faire song
From: Lighter
Date: 26 Feb 05 - 05:23 PM

Oscar Brand appears to be the supplier and the most likely the creator of the "Haul on the sheets" chorus. He recorded his version, "You're a Liar," on "Bawdy Sea Shanties," in 1958. Seagoing 'Catters will recognize that "Water the decks with brine" makes no nautical sense whatsoever. Legman wrote that the song's original chorus was always dysphemistic.

Robert W. Gordon collected a version of the song from an old American sailor on the West Coast around 1920. The filed recording and Gordon's transcript were at one time in the Folk Music Archive of the Library of Congress, but have vanished since then - without a trace, it would seem.


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Subject: Lyr Add: THREE WHORES FROM CANADA
From: Abby Sale
Date: 26 Feb 05 - 06:30 PM

Well, I could stretch it to make some sense. (The ol' spouse says I do that a lot.) If you're really close hauled and the ship's heeled over considerable, it might ship enough "brine" to cover the decks.

I find the following in Gordon's "Inferno." Not from California Collection, though.

(#)2432; 3; Leonard Nason, Paris, France, before 1/22/27;

Four lassies came from Canada,
Got drunk on cherry wine,
And all the conversation was,
Oh your cunt is smaller than mine!

"You're a liar," said the first one,
"For mine is the biggest by far,
A full rigged ship could sail right in
And never touch a spar."

"You're a liar!" said the second one,
"For mine is as big as the moon.
A man went in in January
And never come out until June."

"Oh feel o' my slimy belly,
Fondle my fat old can,
Rattle your nuts against my guts,
I belong to a cavalryman!"

"You're a liar!" said the third one,
"For mine is as big as the air,
The sun could set in the crack of my ass,
And never singe a hair."

"You're a liar! said the fourth one,
"For mine is the biggest of all,
I have the flowers twice a month
As big as Niagara Falls!"

"Oh feel o' my slimy belly,
Fondle my fat old can,
Battle your nuts against my guts,
I belong to an infantryman!"

"I heard the above with C. company of the Fifth infantry
in 1914, in camp near New Bedford. They had coma from Platts-
burg Barracks. I have since heard it among members of the
Thirtieth Infantry from the same garrison, and at Fort Ethan
Allen, the branch of the service changing in the chorus accord-
ing to the one the singer belonged to. Heard some drunks sing-
ing it at Connigis, France, near Chateau Thierry. They were
probably from the Thirtieth, although that regiments sector was
some distance to the left."

Leonard Nason

and


#2789; 8; Earl Teets, Buffalo, New York, 5/5/27;


THREE WHORES FROM CANADA

Three whores came down from Canada
And they were drinking wine
All their conversation was
Your cunt's no bigger than mine.

Up stood the first one
Said mines as big as the sea.
The ships sail in and the ships sail out
The rigging it hangs free.

Then up stood the second one
Said mine's as big as air
The suns goes sailing round and round
And never scratchin' a hair.

Up stood the third one
Said mine's as big as the moon
A man when up last August
And he never came back until June.

So jiggle my tits and boobies
Play with my hole below
Go to hell you son of bitch
For I am whore from Buffalo.

"Heard in a number of palaces, mostly sailors, the only
variations being the wine in the second line. Have heard it
sung cherry wine. Also the place in the last line. Have
heard any number of palaces, Buffalo, Cairo, anything that
rhymes with below."

"The first I heard it was in Cape Town, So. Africa, again
in Port Said sang by a woman." [Note from letter 2739.]

Earl Teets


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Subject: RE: Req: Seeking lyrics to bawdy faire song- 2 whores
From: Lighter
Date: 27 Feb 05 - 06:12 PM

Leonard Nason (1895-1970), who supplied Gordon with the first set of lyrics posted above, was a popular novelist and story writer of the '20s and '30s.

After service overseas in World War I, Nason wrote several novels about soldier life in the AEF, as well as numerous short stories for the Saturday Evening Post and other magazines. During World War II, he rose to the rank of Lieutenant Colonel.

Nason's best novel, still worth a look, is undoubtedly "Chevrons" (1926).


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Three Old Whores from Winnipeg
From: GUEST,lupe le blanc
Date: 12 Oct 11 - 12:42 AM

there were three whores from winnipeg
drinking the sherry wine and on says to the other two
'none is bigger than mine'
oh haul up the sheet me harty's wathere the decks with brine
bend to the oars you dirty whores for none is bigger than mine

'your wrong' says the first whore 'for mine is as big as the sea
the ships sail in the ships sail out with never a bother to me.'

oh haul up the sheet me harty's wathere the decks with brine
bend to the oars you dirty whores for none is bigger than mine

'ypur liein' says the secound whore ' for mine is as big as the air the ships sail in the ships sail out and neve touch a hair'

oh haul up the sheet me harty's wathere the decks with brine
bend to the oars you dirty whores for none is bigger than mine

'your both wrong' says the third whore 'for compired to mine your small. for many has sail right in and never sailed out at all'

oh haul up the sheet me harty's wathere the decks with brine
bend to the oars you dirty whores for none is bigger than mine



as sung by axel the sot


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Three Old Whores from Winnipeg
From: GUEST,SirCoughsalot
Date: 12 Oct 11 - 12:51 AM

A version called Baltimore Whores appears on the CD Rogue's Gallery. It is a collection of sea chanteys done by (mostly) rock and roll singers.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Three Old Whores from Winnipeg
From: Charley Noble
Date: 12 Oct 11 - 07:44 AM

My understanding is that the nautical phrase "swabbing the decks" involved the use of salt water, not scarce fresh water. If I'm correct, then "Cover the decks with brine" makes perfect sense.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Three Old Whores from Winnipeg
From: Lighter
Date: 12 Oct 11 - 10:03 AM

That's true, Charley, but the line is "water the decks" not "swab" or even "cover" them. "Holystoning" was done with sand, after which the decks would be "sluiced" (rather than "watered") to wash away the debris. "Swabbing" would follow.

I don't think I've encountered the phrase "water the deck" elsewhere, except possibly to cool off a steel deck under a tropical sun.

In any case, "watering the decks" wouldn't have anything to do with bending to the oars, which in turn has nothing to do with taking up sheets. It's all a jumble, like the orders given by captains in cartoons.

That - and the fact that those words appear only in versions that otherwise resemble Brand's - leads me to believe he invented them.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Three Old Whores from Winnipeg
From: GUEST,kenny
Date: 12 Oct 11 - 02:48 PM

Same song as I've heard sung by Norman Kennedy - but he had "Nine Auld Whores".


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Three Old Whores from Winnipeg
From: Lighter
Date: 12 Oct 11 - 04:04 PM

Can you post the lyrics?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Three Old Whores from Winnipeg
From: GUEST,Old Salty
Date: 28 Apr 15 - 08:04 PM

I had some buddies in a previous life who would accompany me on many camping and float trips down into the clear rivers and streams of So. MO each summer. We went mainly to get drunk and tell our tall tales and sing our songs including one which was suspiciously akin to the one y'all are playing with here. Our version goes something like this:

(Each verse starts out with a version made up as the cold beer dictated but was a form of drawn out "Ooooooh" or "Welllllll". Sometimes it went up, sometimes it went down, sometimes it went roller coaster style, so use your imagination.)

Ohhhhhhh, 3 old ladies from Canada were sippin' cherry wine, one sez to the other two, "yer's ain't as big as mine!"

Chorus:
Welllll, rolly poley up my holey through the slimey slew, rubba yer nuts acrossa my guts, and join the whorey crew!!"

Ohhhhhh, first old lady from Canada sez, "Mine's as big as the sea, ships roll in and ships roll out and never bother me!!"

Chorus: ..... again:
Wellll, rolly poley up my holey through the slimey slew, rubba yer nuts acrossa my guts, and join the whorey crew!!"

Oooooohhhhhhh (roller coaster style),second old lady from Canada sez, "mine's as big as the air, birds fly in and birds fly out and na'ry touch a hair!!"

Chorus: ... one more time:
Wellll, rolly poley up my holey through the slimey slew, rubba yer nuts acrossa my guts, and join the whorey crew!!"

Weeeeellllll (change of pace RC style!), last old lady from Canada sez, "mine's as big as the land, sailors go in and get lost for so long that they come out with 'it' limp in their hand!!!"

Final chorus! .... Really:
Weeeellllll, rolly poley up my holey through the slimey slew, rubba yer nuts acrossa my guts, and join the whorey crew!!"

That song got us tossed out of more than one campground in our day! One weekend we had just hooked up with a group of stewardresses from .......... uh, but that's another story .......


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Three Old Whores from Winnipeg
From: Lighter
Date: 28 Apr 15 - 08:25 PM

Yeah, that's more or less how the non-Brand versions go....

The fourth stanza is an unusual touch though.

Now where's Norman Kennedy's version?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Three Old Whores from Winnipeg
From: GUEST,#
Date: 28 Apr 15 - 11:10 PM

http://www.fresnostate.edu/folklore/ballads/EM006.html

A Google of

Three Old Whores in Mexico

will bring up many sites--some in Google Books--where one may read some history of the song. One says the earliest date is 1939, but there are so many variations, who knows.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Three Old Whores from Winnipeg
From: Lighter
Date: 29 Apr 15 - 08:02 AM

Legman prints a British text from the late 19th C. Another appears in Gordon's "Inferno" of the 1920s, reportedly heard during WW1.

Several lines known to the novelist Thomas Wolfe appears in his "O Lost" (ms. 1928), the unrevised version of "Look Homeward Angel." The semi-autobiographical novel is set before 1918.

Legman attempts to link the song directly to the Middle Ages. The argument is not very persuasive, but he does show that some people back then were thinking along somewhat similar lines.

Nowadays "planes" more often fly in and out than "birds."

The song may have gotten a new lease on life through its appearance (as "Baltimore Whores") on the "pirate" album "Rogue's Gallery" (2006), sung by Gavin Friday.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Three Old Whores from Winnipeg
From: Lighter
Date: 29 Apr 15 - 01:30 PM

Long before Elton John's composition of that name, the poet Christopher Logue once identified the tune as "Love Lies Bleeding."

What tune could he have meant?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Three Old Whores from Winnipeg
From: Mrrzy
Date: 30 Apr 15 - 12:37 PM

I am reminded of the Winnipeg Whore song, with just one whore (if you're gonna visit a Winnipeg whore, boys, better make sure that you visit her bare!)...


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Three Old Whores from Winnipeg
From: Lighter
Date: 30 Apr 15 - 01:19 PM

Another line written - evidently - by Oscar Brand.

Earlier versions end with the previous stanza.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Three Old Whores from Winnipeg
From: GUEST,Murray on Saltspring
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 09:58 PM

Lighter, Logue must be referring to a well-enough known ballad tune of the 1600s - see in William Chappell, Popular Music of the Olden Time (1859, repr Dover, 1965) pp. 431-2. But I can't figure out why, for the words as we have them don't fit too well and the minor tune isn't related to the common one. What exactly did CL say?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Three Old Whores from Winnipeg
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Dec 16 - 05:23 PM

My husband sings this, two old lady's from Canada were drinking cherry wine,one old lady got up and said yours is no bigger than mine, the second old lady said mine takes in all the s ea the ships sail in the ships sail out and never bother me,oh rolly polly tickle my holey up your slimey slew,come drag your nuts across my guts and join the horey crew, A VERY NAUGHTY SONG HA HA


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