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Subject: Lyr Req Wild Geese
From: BAZ
Date: 20 Apr 98 - 05:53 PM

Does anyone have the lyrics as sung By Jean Redpath written by V. Jacob and J Reid. There is a song of the same name on the Database but it ian't this one.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req Wild Geese
From: dulcimer
Date: 20 Apr 98 - 09:24 PM

Good luck. I have asked about this one twice with no help. I certainly like the song and would appreciate the lyrics.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req Wild Geese
From: Bruce O.
Date: 20 Apr 98 - 09:35 PM

Gye Fiane (Wild Geese) and Sarsfield's Lament go back at least to 1724, and were probably song tunes, (in my Irish Index) but I've never seen mention of the songs. You might try Michael Robinson's Gaelic section at www.standingstones.com


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req Wild Geese
From:
Date: 21 Apr 98 - 07:55 AM

Is this the song that starts: "After Aughrim's great disaster When the foe, in sooth, were master It was you who first rushed in and swam the Liffy's fearful flood?"

If so, let me know...


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req Wild Geese
From: Håvard
Date: 24 Apr 98 - 11:47 AM

Got this one at home (if it's Jim Reids song, and starts with "Tell me what was on yer road, ye roarin' Norlan' wind?" - will post it after the weekend
Håvard


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req Wild Geese
From: BAZ
Date: 24 Apr 98 - 04:12 PM

Havard (sorry about the 'a')
Yes please that's the one.
Thanks to whoever offered the other one.
regards Baz.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req Wild Geese
From: dulcimer
Date: 24 Apr 98 - 09:01 PM

Amen. That is the song I have been wanting as well. Thanks Baz for asking and thanks Havard in advance for posting it.


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Subject: Lyr Add: WILD GEESE (Violet Jacob, Jim Reid)
From: Håvard
Date: 27 Apr 98 - 10:00 AM

WILD GEESE

Oh tell me fit was on yer road, ye roarin' Norlan' wind
As ye cam' blawin' frae the land, that's ne'er frae my mind
My feet they travel England, but I'm deein' for the North
My man, I saw the siller tides run up the Firth o' Forth

Ah, wind I ken them weel eneuch, and fine they fall and rise
And fain I saw the creepin' mist on yonder shore that lies
But tell me as ye passed them by, what saw ye on the way
My man I rocked the rovin' gulls that sail abune the Tay

But saw ye naethin' leein' wind afore ye cam' tae Fife
There's muckle lyin' 'yont the Tay, means mair to me nor life
My man I've swept the Angus braes, ye hae'na trod for years
Oh wind forgi'e a hameless loon that cannae see for tears

And far above the Angus strath I saw the wild geese flee
A lang, lang skein o' beatin' wings, wi' their heads towards the sea
And aye their cryin' voices trailed, ahint them on the air....

Oh wind, hae mercy, haud yer whisht, for I daurna listen mair

Enjoy! Håvard


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req Wild Geese
From: Bruce O.
Date: 27 Apr 98 - 12:25 PM

Oh, real Wild Geese. Nothing at all to do with the Irish exiles in French service after 1691. How about giving that one that mentioned Aughrim?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req Wild Geese
From: Bruce O.
Date: 30 Apr 98 - 05:39 PM

According to Nicholas Carolan in the reprint ed. if the Neals' Celebrated Irish Tunes', c 1724, there isn't any copy known of any song of the Wild Geese of 1691. We just have the tune.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req Wild Geese
From: BAZ
Date: 30 Apr 98 - 05:48 PM

Havard Thanks thats just what was wanted. We've worked out the tune now we can play and sing it.
Regards Baz


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req Wild Geese
From: John Nolan
Date: 30 Apr 98 - 11:12 PM

Bruce O. - the Wild Geese song I refered to above (4/21) was Sean O Duibhir an Ghleanna. Couldn't find it in the data base, so I'll post the words on Saturday, unless someone wants to oblige first.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req Wild Geese
From: Bruce O.
Date: 01 May 98 - 12:08 AM

Or, John O'Dwyer of the Glen. See my Irish tune index for early copies of the tune.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req Wild Geese
From: Bruce O.
Date: 01 May 98 - 02:03 PM

I have "Shaun O'Dhier o glanna. or John Dwyer of Glinn" from O'Farrell's 'National Irish Music', (1804). Want an ABC? (not untill Monday though)


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Subject: Lyr Add: SEAN O DUIBHIR AN GHLEANNA
From: John Nolan
Date: 03 May 98 - 08:45 PM

After Aughrim's great disaster,
When the foe in sooth was master,
Twas you who first rushed in and swam the Shannon's fearful flood,
And through Slieveloom's dark passes,
You wove your gallowglasses,
Although the hungry Saxon wolves were howling for our blood.
And as you crossed Tip'rary,
You rised the Clan O'Leary,
And drove a crack before them as their horsemen onward came,
With our swords and spears we gored them,
As through flood and light we bored them,
Ah, but Sean o Duibhir an Ghleanna, we were worsted in the game.

Long, long we kept the hillside,
Our couch hard by the rill-side,
The sturdy knotted oaken bough our curtain overhead,
The summer's blaze we laughed at,
The winter snows we scoffed at,
And trusted in our long steel swords to win us daily bread.
Til the Dutchman's troops came round us,
With fire and sword they bound us,
They fired the woods and mountains til the very clouds were flame,
Yet our sharped swords cut through them
In their very hearts we them hewed them,
Ah, but Sean O Duibhir an Ghleanna, we were worsted in the game.

Here's a health to your and my king,
The monarch of our liking,
And to Sarsfield underneath whose flag, we'll cast once more a chance,
For the morning dawn will wing us
Across the sea and bring us,
To take our stand and wield a brand among the sons of France,
And though we part in sorrow,
Still Sean O Duibhir an Ghleanna,
Our prayer is God save Ireland and pour blessings on her name,
May her sons be true and needed,
May they never feel as we did,
Ah, Sean o Duibhir an Ghleanna, we were worsted in the game.
Written by Patrick Augustine Canon Sheehan (d. 1913)and as sung by Kevin Mitchell. (Caution: the odd word may be wrong.)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req Wild Geese
From: Bruce O.
Date: 04 May 98 - 07:20 PM

I found the John O'Dwyer in O'Farrell's Pocket Companion is misnoted, and I don't know how to correct it. In JFSS, VI (#25) is one verse in Gaelic of "Shean O/ Dyr a ghleana", about the death of John O'Dwyer. He is said in notes there to be Colonel John O'Dwyer who left Tipperary in 1651 with 500 followers for Spain, and these were subsequently called the 'Wild Geese'. Not only is there more that 1 song of this title there's more than 1 tune also. There's said to be a 14 verse song in Daly's Iish Minstrelsy, 1876 which is said to have been written in 1814, but this is later than at least one tune. The original song is said to be in Hardiman's Irish Minstrelsy, 1831. A curious note at the end of the JFSS notes says that John Dwyer is connected with E/amon a Chnuic, (Ned of the Hill) the following song in JFSS. I just added a note on that and its connection to "The Young Man's Dream" (and the Cornish young man's dream to my Scarce Songs 1 on my website (and a traditional verse of Eileen Aroon)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req Wild Geese
From: John Nolan
Date: 04 May 98 - 09:38 PM

Ha, Bruce, it's hard to get one by you! Here you have the Battle of Aughrim in 1691, and your man Sean fighting AFTER that time, despite your notes saying that he had left town years earlier...well my S.O'D. notes (written by John Moulden, whoever he be)may help explain things. Sarsfield fought in 1691, and afterwards was beseiged in Limerick with 11,000 men...under a treaty they all went into exile, many of them to France, and are known as the Wild Geese. BUT...the priest who wrote S.O'D. above "brings forward by some 30 years the resistance of S.O'D., a gentleman of Kilnamanagh, Co, Tipperary, who, having fought Cromwell's forces, survived to petition the restored Stuarts for the return of his family's lands, unsuccessfully..." So the song above is really a historical pastiche, but great words and tune. P.S. Don't miss Kevin Mitchell if you ever have a chance to hear him.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req Wild Geese
From: Bruce O.
Date: 04 May 98 - 10:18 PM

I didn't have John O'Dwyer fighting after he left Tipperary in 1651. We had the same recently on the Scots music list: in the Scots "Haughs of Cromdale" (Scots Musical Musuem) where Montrose (d. 1650) was fighting the English in the 1680's or 1690's, I forget. Patrick? Sarsfield, yes, is later, 1691, and I'd previously thought his exile was the origin of the "Wild Geese". Well, one keeps finding little tidbits every once in a while. Last week was I saw, for me, the first mention of Irish brigades fighting with the Scots in the rebellion of 1715. I still haven't seen evidence of Irish involved in that of 1745-6.
John Moulden is a noted collector of folksongs and seller of recordings of traditional singers, and has a website (try www.ulstersongs.com, but I'm not sure that's quite right) I think he's in Portrush. I know he's a good library researcher, too. He's been working on the sequel to the Sam Henry collection, i.e., the songs in the Northern Constitution that weren't published under the editorship of Sam Henry.


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Subject: Tune Add: GYE FIANE / WILD GEESE and OLD IRELAND..
From: Bruce O.
Date: 04 May 98 - 11:53 PM

Alfred Moffat said the 2nd tune is a variant of the 1st. Is it?

X:1
T:GYE FIANE (WILD GEESE)
S:Neals' collection, c 1724
Q:120
L:1/4
M:3/4
K:G
(G/A/)B(A/G/)|BA(G/E/)|(B/A/)G(E/D/)|(E/F/)G(A/B/)|\
c(B/A/) (A/4B/4c/)|BGB|Ae(d/B/)|A2(A/B/)|\
c(B/A/) (A/4B/4c/)|BGB|AB (A/G/)|E2(G/A/)|\
B(A/G/)B|A(G/E/) (B/A/)|G(E/D/)(E/F/)|G3:|\
G3/4A/4B3/4A/4G3/4A/4|B3/4G/4A3/4G/4E3/4F/4|\
G3/E/4G3/4E/4D3/4E/4|\
(G/A/)G2|A3/4B/4c3/4B/4A3/4B/4|c3/4A/4B3/4A/4G3/4A/4|B/G/Ae|\
(c3/4B/4)A2|A3/4B/4c3/4B/4A3/4B/4|c3/4A/4B3/4A/4G3/4A/4|\
B/A/GB|(A/G/)E2||(D/E/)G2|(e/d/)c2|(e/d/)c2|(e/d/)B2|\
(e/d/)B2|(e/d/)A2|(e/d/)A2|G3/4A/4B3/4A/4G3/4A/4|\
B3/4G/4A3/4G/4E3/4F/4|G3/4E/4G3/4E/4D3/4E/4|(G/A/)G2|]

X:2
T:Old Ireland Rejoice (Wild Geese variant)
S:McLean's Scots tunes (c 1772) and Joyce's OIFMS #787
Q:120
L:1/4
M:3/4
K:D dorian
A/B/4c/4|ddc3/4A/4|d2c/d/|eed3/4c/4|c2c/4d/4e/|ff~e3/4d/4|\
ee~d3/4c/4|Aag3/4e/4|d2c3/4A/4|GAc3/4d/4|ege3/4d/4|cGA/B/|\
c3/2B/A/G/|FF/A/G/F/|EEF/G/|AA,C/E/|D2||A/B/4c/4|d2A|dd2|\
e2c/d/|e2c/4d/4e/|f2f/g/|{f/}e2e/f/|!d2A|d2c|A2c|g2e/d/|\
c2G|c3/2B/A/G/|FFF/G/|AA/4B/4c/|EAA,|d2|]


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req Wild Geese
From: John Nolan
Date: 05 May 98 - 07:57 AM

Bruce, thanks for the additional information, but that stuff above - is it the formula for a nuclear bomb, a knitting pattern for a big fisherman's jersey, or Bobby Fischer's winning moves against Boris Spasky in Game Four?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req Wild Geese
From: Bruce O.
Date: 05 May 98 - 08:08 AM

With the right software (ABC2WIN) you can play it.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req Wild Geese
From: Bruce O.
Date: 08 May 98 - 03:59 PM

In an eight verse Gaelic woman's lament in JFSS, #23, p. 13, 1920, "Luan Duv An A/ir", she regrets not sending her sons after the Wild Geese, (and 'Wild Geese are' the only two words in the song that are in English)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req Wild Geese
From: John Nolan
Date: 08 May 98 - 06:30 PM

"I'd wee legs" is an anagram of Wild Geese.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req Wild Geese
From: Joe Offer
Date: 08 May 98 - 06:55 PM

Hi, John - If you're going to hang around here for long, you'll find it's nice to be able to swap tunes as well as lyrics. What's posted above is the tune to "Wild Geese" in ABC format. You can download all sorts of ABC players at the ABC Home Page. Most people seem to prefer ABC2WIN, but the program I prefer with Windows 95 is ABCMUS. I don't know how well it works with Windows 3.1, but on Win95, it takes me about 5 seconds to get a tune posted here playing on ABCMUS.
Our own Alan of Australia has programmed something for us called MIDITXT, which allows us to post tunes here in both ABC and MIDI format. It takes a bit of time to learn it, but it's worth the effort.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req Wild Geese
From: dulcimer
Date: 08 May 98 - 07:59 PM

It takes about 10 seconds using Win 3.1 and ABCMUS.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req Wild Geese
From: John Nolan
Date: 09 May 98 - 12:04 AM

Joe: Thanks for your help. However, I do have ABC2WIN as well as a droll Scottish sense of humor. It is the latter that is in rather short supply on this forum.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req Wild Geese
From: Bruce O.
Date: 19 May 98 - 09:47 AM

It appears that there are 3 songs of "John O'Dwyer of the Glen" earlier than that posted by John Nolan, above. In Donal O'Sullivan's edition of Bunting's MSS gave the one (in Gaelic) in Bunting's MSS, which is that in Hardiman's 'Irish Minstrelsy', 1831. He notes another by Eoghan Ruadh O/ Su/illebha/in in O'Daly's 'Poets and Poetry of Munster', 1st series, 1849, and one by Daniel Warren in O'Daly's 'Irish Language Miscellany, 1876. He also notes 16 copies of the tune.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req Wild Geese
From: Alice
Date: 19 May 98 - 12:10 PM

John, you got us there. I came in late reading this thread. Yes, it's a knitting pattern for a big folksinger's jersey. alice in montana


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild Geese (from Jean Redpath)
From: GUEST,Bloosman
Date: 23 Sep 11 - 02:09 PM

Baz,

I think you'll find the song is actuallt entitled "Norland Wind"....


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild Geese (from Jean Redpath)
From: Commander Crabbe
Date: 23 Sep 11 - 07:43 PM

Bloosman, you beat me to it.

CC


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Subject: Lyr Add: WILD GEESE (Violet Jacob)
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 29 Sep 11 - 11:26 PM

Here's how the poem appears in Modern Scottish Women Poets by Dorothy McMillan and Michel Byrne (Edinburgh: Canongate Books Ltd, 2005), page 4:

[I have taken care to show the title, spelling, punctuation, capitalization and italicization exactly as it appears in that book. I have boldfaced the words (disregarding mere spelling or dialect differences) that are different from the version posted by Håvard above.]


WILD GEESE
Violet Jacob (1863-1946)

'Oh, tell me fit was on yer road, ye roarin' norlan' wind
As ye cam' blawin' frae the land, that's niver frae my mind?
My feet they trayvel England, but I'm deein' for the north—'
'My man, I heard the siller tides rin up the Firth o' Forth.'

'Aye, Wind, I ken them well eneuch, and fine they fa' and rise,
And fain I'd feel the creepin' mist on yonder shore that lies,
But tell me, ere ye passed them by, what saw ye on the way?'
'My man, I rocked the rovin' gulls that sail abune the Tay.'

'But saw ye naethin', leein' Wind, afore ye cam to Fife?
There's muckle lyin' yont the Tay that's mair to me nor life.'
'My man, I swept the Angus braes ye haena trod for years—'
'O Wind, forgie a hameless loon that canna see for tears!—'

'And far abune the Angus straths I saw the wild geese flee,
A lang, lang skein o' beatin' wings, wi' their heids towards the sea,
And aye their cryin' voices trailed, ahint them on the air—'

'O Wind, hae maircy, haud yer whisht, for I daurna listen mair!'


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild Geese (from Jean Redpath)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 Jul 15 - 11:06 PM

Here's Jim Reid singing "The Wild Geese (Nortland Wind)":

And Malinky:

And Jim Malcolm:

Cilla Fisher & Artie Trezise:


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Subject: RE: req/ADD: Wild Geese (Violet Jacob/Jim Reid)
From: Megan L
Date: 10 Jul 15 - 02:59 AM

How did the Scottish holiday go Joe


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Subject: RE: req/ADD: Wild Geese (Violet Jacob/Jim Reid)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 10 Jul 15 - 03:50 AM

It was wonderful, Megan - 3 nights in Stromness and 3 nights in Plockton, plus Stirling and Edinburgh. I wish I had the chance to meet you.
Maybe next time.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: req/ADD: Wild Geese (Violet Jacob/Jim Reid)
From: Gutcher
Date: 10 Jul 15 - 11:06 AM

Violet Jacob was one of the last of a long line of Scottish aristocratic ladies who wrote and understood the Scots language as used by their forebears, she being an Erskine of Dun, descended from the Earls of Mar. She wrote mainly poetry, which if I am not mistaken was first put to music and sung by the late Jim Reid.


Lady Anne Scott a daughter-in-law of the Duke of Buckcleugh the largest landowner in Scotland also retained her use of the Scots language until her dying day at the beginning of the 20th.C., and her song "Durisdeer", a lament written on the death of her husband has long been a favourite with country people. She also wrote a version of "Annie Laurie"

All has changed in my lifetime and the aristocrats in my ken now all speak with what I take to be an Eton accent. The last of them who could not be mistaken for being anything other than a Scotsman was the late Duke of Montrose who died around 1970.


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Subject: RE: req/ADD: Wild Geese (Violet Jacob/Jim Reid)
From: Gallus Moll
Date: 10 Jul 15 - 05:03 PM

Violet Jacob also wrote prose, novels -- - her writing is superb, no 'kailyaird, it is true to the language.

The Wild Geese is the title of the poem, Norland Wind is the song using the same words, set to a tune composed by the gifted Jim Reid.

Some of Violet Jacob's other poems have been set to music, for example Hallowe'en (recorded by Jean Redpath)

There are some slim volumes of her poems and stories still to be found- - - such a beautiful writer.


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