BS: Who are the terrorists? Part 113

Subject: RE: Who are the terrorists? Part 113
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Jun 02 - 02:41 PM

It was reported on CNN that most of the murdered Israelis were high school students.

The terrorists can now claim that this bombing was in self defence. These teenagers now won't grow up to be Israeli soldiers.

Subject: RE: Who are the terrorists? Part 113
From: CarolC
Date: 18 Jun 02 - 11:21 AM

When my son was a baby, his father had responsibility for entertaining him while I cooked dinner. My ex-husband would shake a rattle in my son's face, and that would keep my son interested for about two minutes. Then he would start to cry. My son was crying because he was tired of the rattle. But instead of switching to a new toy or diversion, my ex-husband would just shake the rattle harder. The results were pretty predictable. When my ex-husband shook the rattle harder, my son would simply cry louder. My ex-husband never figured out that he needed to try something new.

Some number of years later, I was living with a guy in an area with a lot of really twisty roads. One day we were taking one of his daughters to a friend's house. The friend lived at the end of one of the twistiest roads in the area. My S.O. was driving about fifteen miles and hour above the speed limit. We hit a hairpin turn and slid all the way over to the other side of the road before we came to a stop. We had narrowly avoided rolling over into a ditch.

So when the van finally came to a stop, and we all had a chance to start breathing again, my S.O. got really red in the face and said, quite angrily, "That stupid sonofabitch road does the same damn thing every single time!"

I asked him if he expected the road to straighten out in between trips out there, or if he thought he might someday try handling the curves differently.

Subject: RE: Who are the terrorists? Part 113
From: GUEST,YMF
Date: 18 Jun 02 - 10:09 AM

This morning in Jerusalem, a Palestinian suicide bomber on a bus murdered 19 Israelis and seriously injured 55 others.

Who are the terrorists?

Subject: RE: Who are the terrorists? Part 113
From: michaelr
Date: 29 May 02 - 01:45 AM

They're the ones who burned Auchindoun!

Subject: RE: Who are the terrorists? Part 113
From: GUEST,leveller
Date: 28 May 02 - 07:35 PM

There are a lot of terrorists, and they are on both sides. They feed on each other. They need each other.

There is also an awful lot of mis-information around. Remember that wonderful offer that the Palestinians are supposed to have been crazy to reject, giving them almost everything they wanted? Only a few bits of the Wesrt Banlk to be annexed?

If you click on this link to a site with a Crescent, a Cross, and a Star of David at the top of it, you will see a map that shows where those few bits of the West Bank were situated - chopping the country into a set of reservations. This was an offer which it was intended should be rejected.

Subject: RE: Who are the terrorists? Part 113
From: GUEST,YMF
Date: 28 May 02 - 12:38 PM

A Palestinian suicide bomber struck yesterday at a restaurant beside a shopping mall in Petach Tikvah, near Tel Aviv.

The restaurant is a popular place for small children. Among the murdered was an 18-month old girl and her grandmother.

Credit for the attack was claimed by the Al-Asqa Martyrs Brigade, a branch of the Fatah movement. Two weeks ago, Arafat praised the Al-Asqa Martyrs Brigade as heroes.

Who are the terrorists?

Subject: RE: Who are the terrorists? Part 113
From: GUEST,BOY COTT ZIONIST COMPANIES
Date: 26 May 02 - 04:18 PM

The following zionist-controlled companies should be boycotted:

AOL Time Warner

Apax Partners & Co Ltd

Coca-Cola

Danone

Delta Galil

Disney

Estée Lauder

IBM

Johnson & Johnson

Kimberly-Clark

Lewis Trust Group Ltd

L'Oreal

Marks & Spencer

Nestle

News Corporation

Nokia

Revlon

Sara Lee

Selfridges

The Limited Inc

Home Depot

Intel

Starbucks

Timberland

Any patronizing any of these companies is contributing to the genocide of the Palestinian people.

Subject: RE: Who are the terrorists? Part 113
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 24 May 02 - 05:24 PM

I think most people, apart maybe from Bush, would see what Putin's army has done in Chechnya as state terrorism of the worst kind. And there are grave suspicions, based on some convincing evidence, that the terrorist attacks in Moscow that helped launch the second Chechen war, and propelled Putin to power, may have been set up by the theirs of the KGB.

If there is more attention paid to Israel than to Russia in the media and in other places, that largely reflects the fact that Israel is widely seen as a counter where there is more hope of people taking some notice of criticism.

As Barbara says it is "a democracy". Indeed, there is an manufactured air to this democracy, since it was founded on an ethnically cleansed population, analogous in some ways to the majority created in Northern Ireland by means of partition, or the apartheid dream of a white nation with its black population living in Bantustans - but it is still a democracy, and votes count.

It is probably truer today to say that anger at Israel is a major factor in generating anti-Jewish anti-semitism rather than the other way round. That doesn't make it any prettier or less inexcusable when it surfaces, but it fuelled by different sources than the kind of anti-semitismn that played such a crucial part in bringing Israel into existence.

Subject: RE: Who are the terrorists? Part 113
From: Deda
Date: 24 May 02 - 05:23 PM

Thanks, Guest Barbara, it's good to hear another voice -- What happened to the earlier version of this thread? I haven't had time to keep up with it, nor the energy /inclination to argue it lately -- though it's always on my radar screen.

Subject: Who are the terrorists? Part 113
From: GUEST,Barbara
Date: 24 May 02 - 02:23 PM

When Canada had two people kidnapped by the FLQ in 1970, Canada's government -- not a particularly militaristic one -- declared the War Measures Act and sent the tanks onto the streets of Montreal. If those streets had been booby-trapped the way Jenin was, civilian casualties would have been huge.

In Russia, when Chechens and Russians fight over the same piece of land, the reaction of Moscow is brutal. When 42 people, including 17 children, died recently in the southern Russian republic of Dagestan (next-door to Chechnya) after a bomb was planted along a parade route, President Vladimir Putin called the terrorists "Nazis" and promised they would take the consequences. Those consequences are unlikely to make many waves in the UN or NGOs.

But like the NGOs and the UN, most media throughout the world when talking about terrorism in Israel adopt a tone so different to that used when talking about terrorism anywhere else that you have to make the assumption a completely different yardstick is used. Israel is now like Orwell's Emmanuel Goldstein, a hate figure for virtually every progressive special interest group regardless of its connection to Israel. But why?

The United Nations hates Israel and Jews because the UN is the club for and run by the Third World. The Third World, its supporters and Europe hate Israel because Israel is the stalking horse of America and in their eyes America's symbol. Moreover, Israel is the only truly democratic country in the Middle East and a representative of the very Western ideas that both traditional dictators and the quasi-Marxist and theocratic dictators of the Third World despise. In addition, there is a genuine element of sympathy for the Palestinians in a conflict that has been going on over the same piece of land for most of the 20th and now into the 21st century.

Then, of course there is genuine anti-Semitism. That virus is alive and kicking.