Tech: Who has Windows 98 Second Edition

Subject: Tech: Who has Windows 98 Second Edition
From: Max
Date: 27 May 02 - 11:10 AM

Please let me know in this thread who is running Windows 98 SE (Second Edition). We may have found something that only effects 98SE users.

Subject: RE: Tech: Who has Windows 98 Second Edition
From: Watson
Date: 27 May 02 - 11:23 AM

I'll put my hand up for that.

Subject: RE: Tech: Who has Windows 98 Second Edition
From: michaelr
Date: 27 May 02 - 11:31 AM

That would include me. How mysterious...

Subject: RE: Tech: Who has Windows 98 Second Edition
From: Guessed
Date: 27 May 02 - 11:38 AM

Me & my shadow

Subject: RE: Tech: Who has Windows 98 Second Edition
From: Guessed
Date: 27 May 02 - 11:39 AM

sorry this is a public machine - when I get to mine I will post again. This may be a hybrid OS.

Subject: RE: Tech: Who has Windows 98 Second Edition
From: aussiebloke
Date: 27 May 02 - 11:42 AM

Win 98 SE 4.10.2222 A is what I got.

If'n you ain't sure which Windows Operating System (OS) you have, try this: Go to your desktop. RIGHT CLICK on 'My Computer' - a little menu will pop-up - left click on 'Properties'.

A screen pops up which lists your OS - how much RAM you have, and other stuff. While you are there - have a look in Device Manager - a tidy list there is good, yellow warning symbols are not so good, red warning symbols are, well, worse...

Be careful in Device Manager - 'here there be monsters'.

Wanna give us a hint wassup Max?

Viva Mudcat

aussiebloke

Subject: RE: Tech: Who has Windows 98 Second Edition
From: Max
Date: 27 May 02 - 11:48 AM

Everything is OK, we're just in the debug and testing phase of the mudcat upgrade and new version of the DT. We test everything on every platform and with every browser we can get our hands on. Everything seems to work different for everyone, so we just wanna try to classify what happens to who. I may need a couple of Win98SE volunteers to check out the "secret" new version of the mudcat to see if any errors happen and if we can recreate them. I will contact you via personal message if I need your help. Thanks.

Subject: RE: Tech: Who has Windows 98 Second Edition
From: aussiebloke
Date: 27 May 02 - 11:57 AM

Happy to offer my services as a super-secret-beta-version tester Max, I have Win98 SE - Netscape Navigator V4.08 and 6.2.1, Internet Explorer V6.0.2600.0000

aussiebloke

Subject: RE: Tech: Who has Windows 98 Second Edition
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 27 May 02 - 12:04 PM

I have Win98 SE, and Netscape Navigator V4.76. Frankly, I NEVER used Internet Explorer, so I don't know what version, but it's whatever came with WIN 98 SE.

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: Tech: Who has Windows 98 Second Edition
From: Big Mick
Date: 27 May 02 - 12:24 PM

Hi Buddy. I have Windows 98 Second Edition 4.10.2222 A

Mick

Subject: RE: Tech: Who has Windows 98 Second Edition
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 27 May 02 - 12:39 PM

I got it too, Max. If you're looking for a techincal wizard, I ain't it, but if you need a plod-along computer man, that's me... :-)

Jerry

Subject: RE: Tech: Who has Windows 98 Second Edition
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 27 May 02 - 01:04 PM

Max -

We've got two machines with Win98SE and IE5, and another with Win2K and IE5.5. All pretty much stock - minimal freeware or offbeat stuff to interfere.

John

Subject: RE: Tech: Who has Windows 98 Second Edition
From: Bill D
Date: 27 May 02 - 01:05 PM

WIN98 II?...yep...me! (I have been avoiding updates like the plague)...may even buy a USED machine so I can avoid XP)

let me know if you need a guinea pig

Subject: RE: Tech: Who has Windows 98 Second Edition
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 27 May 02 - 01:29 PM

I'm not using Windows right now but I do use IE5 on Windows 98 SE.

Currently, all my other browsers run on Linux. I have Netscape 4.7, Mozilla, Opera 5, Konqueror, Galeon and Lynx.

Jon

Subject: RE: Tech: Who has Windows 98 Second Edition
From: Joe Offer
Date: 27 May 02 - 01:39 PM

Hi, Max - I'm using Windows 98 2e, and Internet Explorer 5.5.
-Joe-

Subject: RE: Tech: Who has Windows 98 Second Edition
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 May 02 - 01:43 PM

Well, to depart from the list of Win98 users, my computer has a dual platform, with the despised Windows ME in the little-used side, and NT running as default. Any issues with either of those, let me know and I'll help out.

SRS

Subject: RE: Tech: Who has Windows 98 Second Edition
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 27 May 02 - 01:46 PM

Win98 SE and Netscape 4.79

If I can help, gimme a holler!

;-)

Subject: RE: Tech: Who has Windows 98 Second Edition
From: MMario
Date: 27 May 02 - 01:46 PM

I am as well - both at work with the firewall plus content filter and at home.

Subject: RE: Tech: Who has Windows 98 Second Edition
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 27 May 02 - 01:47 PM

Window 98 2nd. Ed. it is ("factory installed").

I am finding differences in browsers. Normally I use Netscape, but I have to go to IE for certain websites- otherwise I get "illegal operation," or an error message, either at the beginning, or somewhere inside when I click on certain links (example- Fanny Crosby in Cyberhymnal).
Some of the fancy html used by posters is only readable in IE.

Subject: RE: Tech: Who has Windows 98 Second Edition
From: GUEST,Bullfrog Jones (on the road)
Date: 27 May 02 - 04:08 PM

I've got 98 2E on this machine and my cookie'd one at home. Glad to help if needed.

BJ

Subject: RE: Tech: Who has Windows 98 Second Edition
From:
Date: 27 May 02 - 04:54 PM

I have it as well, Max.

Let me know if I can help.

Subject: RE: Tech: Who has Windows 98 Second Edition
From: bigchuck
Date: 27 May 02 - 05:19 PM

I have it too, with IE 5.5.
Sandy

Subject: RE: Tech: Who has Windows 98 Second Edition
From:
Date: 27 May 02 - 05:53 PM

I also have a Linux box handy as well.

Subject: RE: Tech: Who has Windows 98 Second Edition
From: GUEST
Date: 27 May 02 - 06:01 PM

This thread is a little odd...

Windows 98 SE is currently the most used OS worldwide.

Whilst I could understand asking for beta testers for Opera on Linux, or some such, this request seems a little bizzare.

You use NT as your server platform, yet you can't get access to a Win 98 SE machine????

Please!!!

Hell, what do I know...

Subject: RE: Tech: Who has Windows 98 Second Edition
From: Gareth
Date: 27 May 02 - 07:08 PM

For What its worth my OS is said to be 98 - I down loaded an upgrade from Micro Shit which was supposed to bring it into line with SE. I still can't install Nero, but I do get the "shut down problems" which seem to be charecteristic of 98SE.

Are well yer pays yer money, and get Gate's choice.

Come back C/PM on the Amstrad CPC's

Gareth

Subject: RE: Tech: Who has Windows 98 Second Edition
From: GUEST,vectis
Date: 27 May 02 - 07:47 PM

If you want to find out if it's idiot proof then I'm your Win 98SE running idiot.

Subject: RE: Tech: Who has Windows 98 Second Edition
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 27 May 02 - 07:51 PM

Just checked, and I'm Windows 98 SE too. With IE6, Netscape 6.2, Opera 6.0.

Subject: RE: Tech: Who has Windows 98 Second Edition
From: rich-joy
Date: 27 May 02 - 11:09 PM

I'm on Windows 98 SE and IE6 - but I'm not really terribly UP on 'puter stuff ... (sadly, my attitude to computers is a bit like my attitude to my car : I paid for it, now it should just bloody-well GO!!!) Cheers! R-J

Subject: RE: Tech: Who has Windows 98 Second Edition
From: Mountain Dog
Date: 28 May 02 - 12:30 AM

Hi, Max

I'm using Win 98 SE on one of our two machines; it's already been through a lot, so I'm happy to use it as a beta/QC site if needed.

Subject: RE: Tech: Who has Windows 98 Second Edition
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 28 May 02 - 12:33 AM

Max, when you come to some conclusions, let us know. Like vectis, another computer-illiterate.

Subject: RE: Tech: Who has Windows 98 Second Edition
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 28 May 02 - 04:53 AM

Max!! What IS the "something" you may have found?? You have me worried now -

My PC runs Windows 98 2nd Edition. What's the story?

Subject: RE: Tech: Who has Windows 98 Second Edition
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 28 May 02 - 05:24 AM

Hi Max,

I use Win98 2nd Edition on my home PC - this one at work's still running Win95.

What's the problem ?

Subject: RE: Tech: Who has Windows 98 Second Edition
From: mack/misophist
Date: 28 May 02 - 08:15 AM

Win98se - Netscape 4.78, IE 5.5 Opera 5 Win2K - " " " SuSE 8.0 " Mozilla "

Subject: RE: Tech: Who has Windows 98 Second Edition
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 28 May 02 - 08:23 AM

I have Microsoft Windows 98 Second Edition 4.10.2222A Microsoft Internet Explorer 6.0.2600.0000IS

I also have the following browsers installed, although I seldom use them:
CompuServe 2000 version 6.0
CompuServe 7.0
Netscape Navigator version 3.0

Also, I am now using a monitor that is limited to 640 x 480 pixels, which I think is unusual nowadays, and it certainly affects the way some web pages look. (I plan to upgrade.)

Subject: RE: Tech: Who has Windows 98 Second Edition
From: Fiolar
Date: 28 May 02 - 10:04 AM

Hmm - amazing how people give out the details of their operating systems!

Subject: RE: Tech: Who has Windows 98 Second Edition
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 28 May 02 - 11:35 PM

G'day Max,

I'm still running Win 98 ES on one of the machines that I use to access Mudcat ... and to which I can load any necessary minor bits.

Regards,

Bob Bolton

Subject: RE: Tech: Who has Windows 98 Second Edition
From: mousethief
Date: 29 May 02 - 01:20 AM

I run Win98SE. Not quite as sturdy as the older NT at work, but tons friendlier.

Alex

Subject: RE: Tech: Who has Windows 98 Second Edition
From: Mr Red
Date: 29 May 02 - 05:00 PM

Yup, call me a luddite but...... Win98SE and no further!
Details? Two wheel mouse, (AMI) 128Mb Ram, USB, Serial IR addon, fluffy white rabbit on the monitor

You knew I lied about the fluffy bunny - it would have been red otherwise!

Subject: RE: Tech: Who has Windows 98 Second Edition
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Jun 02 - 06:30 PM

Max,

How's the testing going?

Managed to find anyone with the obscure 'Windows 98 SE' OS?

Do let us know

Subject: RE: Tech: Who has Windows 98 Second Edition
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 03 Jun 02 - 07:48 PM

Unfortunaley, I share guest's confusion. We have a getting on for 12 months development cycle here and Joe needs to tell Max what OS and browser (not that browser's were raised by Max) he is is using - even though IIRC, Joe has indicated he is using/has used the test system.

Jon

Subject: RE: Tech: Who has Windows 98 Second Edition
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 03 Jun 02 - 11:30 PM

Hey guys - I may be dense, but I don't see any reason for the appararent confusion.

We know that there's been work going on that's aimed at improving the web site and the DT. Whatever is being put together should be independent of what systems users have.

We all know that Mickey$oft and Netcrap versions of html, xtml, java, (fresh beans, mocha with whipped cream, please) etc. violate the nominal standards, (as a favor to users, of course) so it is necessary to consider user's op systems in some cases - if you want to do certain things on the web. It shouldn't be that way, but it is.

The fact that Joe has 98SE is probably (or is at least possibly) immaterial, because we don't know whether Joe is an appropriate "tester" for whatever the problem is. Persons too familiar with the system are sometimes the worst choice for determining whether a "typical" user can make it work. And a "one-horse race" doesn't prove much.

If there's - perhaps - a security issue with 98SE, it is certainly more appropriate to contact a few people who have some experience with the system to evaluate it, before publishing a do-it-yourself kit of instructions on the web.

If it's just something like "98SE can read Unicode, but can't write it," (true, but don't ask) it is to our mutual advantage that we keep the "solutions" within a small group. We all like to offer our opinions; but I, for one, can understand that too much help makes it impossible to get anything done.

I don't have all the answers - because I don't know what the question is yet. That's not confusing.

John

Subject: RE: Tech: Who has Windows 98 Second Edition
From: GUEST,cookieless hesperis
Date: 03 Jun 02 - 11:36 PM

win98se, IE6. (When I get my own comp back up.) I'd be a great tester as long as it starts after June 15th. *g*

Subject: RE: Tech: Who has Windows 98 Second Edition
From: Joe Offer
Date: 04 Jun 02 - 01:20 AM

I have problems with the CD version of the Digital Tradition. If I use it too long, it locks my computer. When I exit the program, it stays running. Dick & Susan have had no problems. Is that my Win 98 SE??

The experimental version of Mudcat hasn't given me any problems that seem to be related to a conflict with my operating system, but the DT problem sure is frustrating.

-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Tech: Who has Windows 98 Second Edition
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 04 Jun 02 - 01:46 AM

Joe

I doubt that it's a 98SE-peculiar problem, although there are differences from version to version. The DT is basically a DOS program, and it's typically a problem for them to be "leaky."

Run in a "pure DOS" environment, some programs "lock up" fairly quickly - and some permit what Windows would consider "memory violations" and just write over "old-in-use memory and keep running. The problem is that memory (RAM) must be "allocated" for anything that's get done, and must be "released" when the process is finished. Failure to release results in a steady "leakage" that reduces available memory.

Most Windows operating systems impose a "security layer" between DOS (or any) programs and the actual hardware RAM and disks. This can sometimes help - but more often hinders the release of memory that's already been used. Where DOS can just charge ahead with an "illegal" operation, Windows may refuse to turn loose until it's asked nicely.

I don't think 98SE is any worse about this than other "near" versions.

I'm speculating on what's happening here, since I haven't used the DT on my own machine for several years. (I have the Oct96 version.)

Actually, if you open the '96 .ask file in Word - as text only, and do about 400,000 selected global character replacements to get rid of the messy characters, you get a fairly readable plain text document of only about 2,500 pages - which Word can search quite nicely, if a little slowly, as long as you save often and reboot occasionally. (T.I.C.B.G.)

John

Subject: RE: Tech: Who has Windows 98 Second Edition
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 04 Jun 02 - 08:22 AM

I think "using it to long" are the key words here. As John has suggested it could well be mermory resource issues that cause the problem.

I don't know if John is right in suggesting it is basically a DOS program - I had been under the impression that the CD version was a Windows program.

There are other resource issues with Windows in that the OS uses chunks of memory called system resources (user and GUI I think). Windows has varied in its handling of these resources, I know Win 3.1 used fixed 64K segments which could soon get eaten up and on the other hand some NT versions could use all availible memory. I'm not sure where 98SE sits on this but I think '95 improved on 3.1 and 98 made further improvemnts.

From a programmers side, in my very limited experience, when I have had programs that have been unstable and would suddenly lock or do wierd things, the root cause has either been failure to release resources (as John explained above, sooner or later you run out) or failure to allocate memory correctly. It is quite possible for example to assign values to dynamic variables (pointers) without first reserving memory for thier use. The net effect here is that you are writing to "unknown memory" and although things may appear OK for a while, believe me just about anything is possible! Again, as John has indicated, Windows is far more likely to "call foul" than DOS which will happily let you write anywhere until you bring the system to a grinding halt. An OS may also complain if you try to free up resources that you never allocated in the first place...

Jon

Subject: RE: Tech: Who has Windows 98 Second Edition
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 04 Jun 02 - 08:46 AM

I should add, the sort of issues mentioned above don't really enter into the sort of web programming done at the Annexe (and I would think at Mudcat) as I never get that close to the operating system, or even if I did it would almost certainly be at the server side.

The game, at least with the Annexe, is to try to ensure that you have your data going into and out of a (hopefully) reasonably well organised database. The scripts interact with the database and the aim is to churn out HTML for the users to view and interact with on thier browers. My pages at the server side generally contain a mix of plain HTML and some VB script, some of which outputs HTML using "Response.Write" and other parts are just the programming logic.

As an example, I could have something like:

For I = 1 to 10 Response.Write I & "<br>" Next

When a user requests the page, the server will interpret that and the user would get sent a page that contained the numbers 1 to 10, one number per line.

Jon

Subject: RE: Tech: Who has Windows 98 Second Edition
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 04 Jun 02 - 09:19 AM

Jon -

As I indicated, I'm looking at a very old version of the DT, but it (Oct96) was a straight DOS program. My understanding was that a Windows "front end" had been added, but the basic database was probably not recompiled.

Even a lot of programs rewritten/recompiled specifically for Windows have significant "memory leaks," which is frequently the cause of "lock-up" behaviour.

Windows has "very large" memory available, through paging of memory segments to hard drive - but it does this, essentially, by writing lots of "temp" files to the drive. Using Word as an example, selecting a 200 page document full of one line paragraphs, and sorting "by paragraphs" will probably work once. A similar operation would be a "global replace" all the periods with commas, or some such. If you immediately try to "sort reverse order," or change all the "a" to "t"s, you're fairly likely to "bog down." If you do a full save, you clear some of the temps, but they tend to hang in there so that eventually you need to exit and restart Word.

Doing massive global replace or sort operations on large documents will eventually lead to where even closing and restarting Word doesn't clear things. You have to go into Explorer and delete *.tmp in the Windows Temp directory - at least - or reboot the machine.

Even Word97/Word7 has rather massive "leaks" for some kinds of operations.

Windows 95, in its original incarnation, required contiguous free space for its temp directory, so a fragmented drive could almost eliminate your virtual memory. Windows 98, and possibly 95 with the right SR patches, is supposed to be able to use non-contiguous free space for temp files, but my experience has been that a fragmented drive will cut down on what is "usable," - and, by design, the default limits temp files to 10 percent (?) of drive free space.

John

Subject: RE: Tech: Who has Windows 98 Second Edition
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 04 Jun 02 - 02:29 PM

Bill D is right to avoid XP. And legal versions come with that product-authorisation joke of a security system. On the other hand, Win2000 blows away Win9X and Me. It sticks in my throat to say so, but for once Microsoft got something right.

Subject: RE: Tech: Who has Windows 98 Second Edition
From: GUEST,andi
Date: 04 Jun 02 - 05:06 PM

Hi Max,

if you need another volunteer I run a dual boot with win98 SE and Win 2000 on one machine and have another machine is running win98 I have Opera, Netscape and IE on each contact me if you need me, thanks, andi

Subject: RE: Tech: Who has Windows 98 Second Edition
From: Joe Offer
Date: 04 Jun 02 - 05:35 PM

I'm using Beta #2 of the Windows version of the Digital Tradition, John. It depends on Quicktime to play the tunes. I switched to the latest version of Quicktime, but that didn't solve my problem.

I also have a problem with alignment of notes on the printed output of the sheet music. I have the same problem with Finale 2002 (with Finale, I think the problem is just with files I've converted from an earlier version of Finale).

-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Tech: Who has Windows 98 Second Edition
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 04 Jun 02 - 08:54 PM

Joe - I can't offer much help on the DT Betas, since I haven't seen one, and the info on the DT sites doesn't really say much about what's being done.

Quicktime seems to be okay, and I've used it some. My system was recently hijacked by Windows Media Player so that it insists on turning on whenever I try to open anything related to music - I gotta do some cleanup. It also doesn't seem to cause any real problems, I just don't care for the interface.

Win95 and 98/98SE do sometimes have problems with RealPlayer. I'm not sure whether they apply to Win2K etc. Microsoft had a note on it in the Knowledge Base, but apparently "archived" it when RealPlayer claimed to have fixed the problem. - Can't find it now. RealPlayer won't run on my machine (I've tried 3 versions) although it worked fine on my S.O.s identical (except for special purpose software) Win98SE machine and works on her current Win2K.

Most of the notation programs do an on-the-fly spacing anytime you "import" something, and that would probably be the case bringing in an older Finale file in a new version. Finale 2001 (I have a demo) has a selection for "alignment" that says:

"If Automatic Music Spacing is checked under the Edit menu, your music is automatically spaced as you enter it according to engraving standards. If unchecked, then select a region with the Mass Mover Tool and choose Apply Note Spacing from the Music Spacing submenu of the Mass Mover menu."

You might take a look and see if you're set up to get what you want to get, or if an "Apply alignment" will fix what you're seeing.

You're original problem with "locking up" still sounds like a memory leak. About all you can do is delete temp files (everything in Windows\Temp, it won't let you delete anything that's actually "in-use"), reboot more often, and defrag frequently.

We seem to have hijacked the thread (drifting wildly in unknown waters?) I'd say we ought to start a new one to discuss problems, and leave this one for it's original purpose - but I'm not sure what we'd call the new one.

John

Subject: RE: Tech: Who has Windows 98 Second Edition
From: Mr Red
Date: 07 Jun 02 - 02:50 PM

I got a question - may be related
Anyone any experience on running Win98SE on faster machines.
I was told by a PC shop it was a problem. I forgot to poo poo his comment in the context of my other PC (750 Athlon) and no problems that I am aware of other thean not powering down automatically - it re-boots. The likely cause was not described in terms of processor speed.
BUT what about machines up to 2 GHz?

Subject: RE: Tech: Who has Windows 98 Second Edition
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 07 Jun 02 - 04:14 PM

New thread for discussions ABOUT Win98SE at:

Subject: Tech: ABOUT Windows 98 SE and stuff

Post answers to question from Max here.

Solve personal problems - and relieve tensions over Windows - in the new thread(?):

Subject: Tech: ABOUT Windows 98 SE and stuff

John

Subject: RE: Tech: Who has Windows 98 Second Edition
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 07 Jun 02 - 04:19 PM


New thread for discussions ABOUT Win98SE at:

Subject: Tech: ABOUT Windows 98 SE and stuff

Post answers to question from Max here.

Solve personal problems - and relieve tensions over Windows - in the new thread(?):

Subject: Tech: ABOUT Windows 98 SE and stuff

John

Subject: RE: Tech: Who has Windows 98 Second Edition
From: Max
Date: 07 Jun 02 - 06:27 PM

All is well guys, I got it figured out. Windows 98SE has code in it that transfers its machine hardware code when accessing Web sites. Kind of acts like a cookie if you know what to look for. So I just wanted to know which GUESTS were using it so that I can track them from now on. Thanks for taking part in our experiment, have a nice day.

Subject: RE: Tech: Who has Windows 98 Second Edition
From: Mr Red
Date: 08 Jun 02 - 08:42 AM

GUESTS is a bit of problem, good to hear it is traceable. Just the thought that Mr A. Nonnymouse is being observed will slow him down.

Subject: RE: Tech: Who has Windows 98 Second Edition
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Jun 02 - 08:47 PM

Windows 98SE has code in it that transfers its machine hardware code when accessing Web sites

Really Max?

I don't think so...

Strange that this odd property of Win 98SE appears totally unreported elsewhere on the net.

A couple of questions:

If this thread was a cunning ruse to 'catch' guests, why did you ask members to PM you? Hardly the way to get guests to reply, is it?

If there is an issue with Win 98SE (which I doubt), you've just made everyone aware of it, and every nefarious guest will now avoid using it. Was that the idea?

Subject: RE: Tech: Who has Windows 98 Second Edition
From: Mr Red
Date: 09 Jun 02 - 04:45 AM

He bit Max, He bit!

Subject: RE: Tech: Who has Windows 98 Second Edition
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Jun 02 - 07:06 PM

But what did he bite, Mr Red?

Subject: RE: Tech: Who has Windows 98 Second Edition
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 09 Jun 02 - 07:31 PM

I wish someone could shine some light on this one. I've drawn a blank but I'd have thought such an issue would be considered a privacy issue and one which reaches much further than catching the odd troll or nasty guest on Mudcat. The implication here is that a Win98SE user is giving out a unique code on every site they visit.

Jon

Subject: RE: Tech: Who has Windows 98 Second Edition
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Jun 02 - 07:54 PM

Exactly Jon, and if that were the case, it would have been widely reported on the (often incredibly paranoid) privacy sites.

Max is talking crap, IMHO

Quite why he is, is a different matter...

Subject: RE: Tech: Who has Windows 98 Second Edition
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 09 Jun 02 - 10:57 PM

A number of sites I click on to answer H1! Dicho, how can I serve you? (or words to that effect). Obviously I am identified as soon as I click on. Don't have to enter nothin' nohow, but they know!

Subject: RE: Tech: Who has Windows 98 Second Edition
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 09 Jun 02 - 11:52 PM

Dicho, there are all sorts of ways but some are straightforwardly reported by a browser and others to the best of my knowledge involve hacking techniques. You may like to visit http://scan.sygate.com/probe.html and see what this test yeids. In my case, without my firewall running, it can find my computer name is Jon almost instantly but with the firewall running, it can't get that info, so it's not information my browser is giving out.

You may also like to look at some of the bits I can pick up that are sent via HTTP. I've put a small ASP script at http://www.jonbanjo.com/me.asp.

Jon

Subject: RE: Tech: Who has Windows 98 Second Edition
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Jun 02 - 08:04 AM

It's probably just a cookie, Dicho

Subject: RE: Tech: Who has Windows 98 Second Edition
From: Mr Red
Date: 11 Jun 02 - 07:06 AM

(:-))