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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup(Soccer) Irelands nightmare
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Jun 02 - 01:33 PM

How do you work that one out Alanabit?


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup(Soccer) Irelands nightmare
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 02 Jun 02 - 02:30 PM

I imagine the logic would be that a team that can't win against Sweden hasn't much chance of getting a draw against Argentina and a win against Nigeria - or the other way round. Which makes sense, but it doesn't work doing calculations like that.

It's the Scots who seem to have a thing about wanting England to lose as such. Most Irish people are pretty easy about that - though of course there can be a tendency to want the team that's playing England to win, not because it's playing England, but rather for its own sake.

So long as Argentina goes through to the next stage I'm hoping England will as well.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup(Soccer) Irelands nightmare
From: alanabit
Date: 02 Jun 02 - 02:50 PM

Argentina should win comfortably against England because they have more talented players. The reason England are now in such desperate trouble is because once Argentina have six points - as they probably will on Friday evening, they do not need to win against Sweden. They will rest players - giving Sweden a better chance of taking a point off them. England now need to beat Argentina (highly unlikely) because not only do they need the points themselves, but they also need to make sure that Argentina want to beat Sweden. Being an illogical animal, I'm still hoping for a miracle. But that is what it will take.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup(Soccer) Irelands nightmare
From: ard mhacha
Date: 02 Jun 02 - 03:25 PM

Don`t write any of the teams off, as the brother of a compulsive gambler, I know. It`s the great uncertainy of sport that makes the Bookmaker a rich man. but at this early stage, Argentina looks the classiest side. Ard Mhacha.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup(Soccer) Irelands nightmare
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Jun 02 - 03:51 PM

I'd write off Saudi Arabia, myself...


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup(Soccer) Irelands nightmare
From: alanabit
Date: 02 Jun 02 - 04:23 PM

Bugger it. I'm going to cheer up and hope for the best again. When you think what it must feel like to be a fan of Saudi Arabia... Life ain't that bad really.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup(Soccer) Irelands nightmare
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 02 Jun 02 - 06:43 PM

Watching the Saudis up against the Germans was a bit like seeing hobbits versus trolls, the size difference was so huge. Or a featherweight boxer taking on Mike Tyson. It wasn't that they didn't have some handy football players.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup(Soccer) Irelands nightmare
From: Bullfrog Jones
Date: 02 Jun 02 - 07:28 PM

Congratulations to Ireland on a magnificent performance. I'm not sure what England were playing at, but I can't believe they can get any worse. And sorry to hear that there are no Welsh-origin players in the Argentinian team (maybe Mark Hughes should organize a scouting trip to Patagonia!) Still, Owen Hargreaves played for the Welsh Youth team...once....in a friendly. Ah well.

BJ


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup(Soccer) Irelands nightmare
From: catspaw49
Date: 02 Jun 02 - 08:08 PM

......a featherweight boxer taking on Mike Tyson.........
Actually Kevin, I have picked Lewis or someone else if I were saying that....For someone of Mike Tyson's tastes, so to speak, a featherweight boxer would only be an appetizer.

So all you gamblers and odds men out there......After finishing dead last the last time out, where do you figure the USA to come in this time?

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup(Soccer) Irelands nightmare
From: alanabit
Date: 03 Jun 02 - 12:32 AM

Right up there with the Englands, Irelands and Saudi Arabias?


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup(Soccer) Irelands nightmare
From: Escamillo
Date: 03 Jun 02 - 01:58 AM

At least one reason for Argentina's joy: a reasonably good Bati-debut and a comfortable position for the next Friday against England. If we still have TV next Friday, 37 million people will possibly be celebrating.

Un abrazo - Andrés


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup(Soccer) Irelands nightmare
From: Big Tim
Date: 03 Jun 02 - 03:48 AM

The Saudis weren't that bad, 8-0 wasn't a fair reflection of the skills of the two teams. It was just one of those games when everything went in for one side, and the goalie had a nightmare. Andy Goram would have saved 6 of those! I once played in a game in which we lost 7-1 but were by far the better team!

Very proud of the Irish performance.I think the winner will come from, in order, Italy, Brazil, Germany, France, Argentina.

Where's the next World Cup? I'm definitely going wherever it is.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup(Soccer) Irelands nightmare
From: Teribus
Date: 03 Jun 02 - 04:28 AM

Next one is in Germany.

I've just got back from a fantastic week-end over in Dublin and watched the Ireland : Cameroon game on Saturday morning. Basic summing up re the Roy Keane episode was aptly put by the Irish Press on the Sunday

"ROY WHO?"

Other highlights of the trip were the following sessions:

Devitt's on the Thursday night
Brazenhead on the Friday night
Grace's in Rathmines on the Saturday night
Mother Redcaps on the Sunday afternoon

The only disappointment musically was the "live session" in Oliver St.John Gogarty's - two guys, one playing pipes the other a fiddle. Both obviously bored out of their skulls, a tune followed by a ten minute break, followed byanother tune followed by a ten minute break, etc, etc. No attempt to make contact with their audience (they actually played with their backs to the audience). They might have just as well being playing at home - no entertainment factor associated with it what so ever. Best comment on the performance was made by one of the company - You've just witnessed the longest wank in history.

Cheers,

Bill.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup(Soccer) Irelands nightmare
From: donal
Date: 03 Jun 02 - 06:41 AM

Back to Roy a moment guys - and I know this is going to upset people but I think it's funny..........In Cork yesterday there was a guy selling T-Shirts - On the front was a photograph of Roy Keane and Michael Collins, On the back was the slogan "Both Shot In The Back" !!!! Shows how seriously Cork people are STILL taking this. To paraphrase Martin McGuiness - "He hasn't gone away you know!"

Donal


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup(Soccer) Irelands nightmare
From: GUEST,Mikey joe
Date: 03 Jun 02 - 07:32 AM

Donal I'm from Cork as well. I was a notts forest supporter and have followed Roy since his days in Cobh. The man is a fantastic footballer. No denying that/ However he is a langer of the highest order and no one casn deny that either. He is a professional footballer. And while he was right to point out inadequecies in the trainging facilites he was wrong to tkae it as far as he did. The facilities seemed to be good enough for everyone else. He let himself down and nore importantly he let his country down. He has NOT apologised to AMick MacCarthy and B The people of Ireland who he was represtning esp those fans who shelled out wads of cash to go and see Ireland and esp keane inthe world cup. In my book Keane is wrong end of story. Having said that I'm more upset at the hurlers performance against Waterford last sunday week

Mj


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup(Soccer) Irelands nightmare
From: Pete Jennings
Date: 03 Jun 02 - 07:33 AM

Well done to my ancestral people, despite the Roy Keane episode - played really well. Unlike England, who looked as if they'd been drinking embalming fluid at half-time...

Pete, with eyes shut and fingers crossed.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup(Soccer) Irelands nightmare
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Jun 02 - 07:48 AM

I'm Irish and live in England and watched both games. England were awesome in the first thirty mins and would have destoyed any taem in the world olaying like they did over the 90. People are writing off Englands chances alraedy but they are in eactly the same position as Ireland. The next team they play will be the strongest in the grouop and the last will be the weakest. Ireland are in a slightly more dodgy position because of the 8 goals Germany have scored. England also have the advantage of playing after sweden and Nig have played therfore knowing what they have to achieve b4 they go into the game. There is a lot of football left to play and to say England is out is without substance.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup(Soccer) Irelands nightmare
From: Red Eye
Date: 03 Jun 02 - 08:01 AM

Dead right guest. England are not dead and buried in any shape of form. Their first 30mins were the best display yetof any team in the world cup and if they can reproduce that for 60 against the argies on fri then they will have come of age. ave age of the England outfield players is 24. Youth is great. england are also carrying into the Fri game memories of the last argie game when they were ridiculed by the argie team after the pen shoot out.

COME ON ENGLAND!!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup(Soccer) Irelands nightmare
From: donal
Date: 03 Jun 02 - 08:12 AM

Hey Mikey-Joe,

Hard to disagree that Roy can be a langer at times..but I have to admit that I love the man...and over the past week or so I have been trying to figure out exactly why....heres a few reasons...      I love the way he initially impressed Ferguson; with a crunching tackle on England and United hero Bryan Robson in the centre circle of Old Trafford after only a few seconds of a game for Notts Forest.        I love the way he deprives referee David Elleray of satisfaction by starting walking to the tunnel straight away before he routinely sends him off.

I loved the way he took a head butt from Patrick Viera standing and didn't fall to the ground as if he'd been shot.

2-0 away to Juve after 10 minutes and dead and buried. And that glancing header from Roy and suddenly another away goal and United would be through. The moment was not over yet though. Keane got booked after 18 and was out for the final if United got through. Did he cry like Gazza and gallantly lose? Did he fuck! His manager refers to it as a completely selfless display and it was the moment which proved beyond all reasonable doubt that this was one of the greatest players in the world. He bossed Zidane that night but Roy is hardly ever on the World's greatest lists that the brilliant Frenchman frequents.

After United's defeat in the Champions league last year it was Keane who declared changes had to be made. This year his manager talked up his side after defeat but it was Roy who took the defeat worst by saying it "was a disaster" and that "the players let everyone down". Twenty four hours later though and he was rallying his team and trying to motivate they're distant hopes of a Premiership miracle act. A true champion.

I read yesterday that Beckham spends £300 a week on his hair. Read that last sentence again - now tell me - who do YOU want to captain your country in the World Cup ?

Donal


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup(Soccer) Irelands nightmare
From: ard mhacha
Date: 03 Jun 02 - 10:00 AM

In to-days Irish Star the greatest player ever to play for Man Utd George Best has stated that Keane never ever has recognised his presence when he visits Old Trafford. I suppose George is reading this wrong, Keane could be in awe of a greater presence. Ard Mhacha


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup(Soccer) Irelands nightmare
From: Mrrzy
Date: 03 Jun 02 - 10:11 AM

All I can say is VIVE LE SENEGAL! Whoo woo!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup(Soccer) Irelands nightmare
From: ard mhacha
Date: 03 Jun 02 - 01:19 PM

To prove a point about those side that were given no chance, our local Bookmaker had Senegal at 17/2 to beat France and Saudi Arabia at 15/2 to beat Germany, are you looking Guest. And apart from the woeful England v Sweden game, the football has been of a high standard, yes, even Germany`s display against the Saudia Arabia.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup(Soccer) Irelands nightmare
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 03 Jun 02 - 04:38 PM

"For someone of Mike Tyson's tastes, so to speak, a featherweight boxer would only be an appetizer."

Precisely.

But with luck it'll be time for indigestion on Weednesday.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup(Soccer) Irelands nightmare
From: catspaw49
Date: 03 Jun 02 - 05:03 PM

I hope so Mac!! Boxing has always had reputation problems but Tyson blows the bottom out of the barrel!!! Additionally, he couldn't scrape the gum off Ali's shoes!

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup(Soccer) Irelands nightmare
From: Paddy Plastique
Date: 04 Jun 02 - 04:27 AM

Let's remember - this is the same Germany that managed to lose 5-1 to a not that exceptional
England side and that gave us one of the worst matches I can ever remember at a major
championships in losing to England at Euro 2000..that couldn't even beat mighty Finland at home.
I can't remember us losing to them since the beginning of the Charlton era. The Irish were visibly
fitter and stronger than a very strong Cameroon team in the last quarter on Saturday.
Can't see us wilting against them in the same way the Saudis did..
As to Keane - saw a headline in The Guardian stating 'Veron Moves Out of Beckham's Shadow'. Usual
shite when it comes to Man U - all the attention to Beckham - the frills merchant and none
to Keane - the lynchpin. Senor Veron will need a long haul flight, I think, to get himself
out of Keane's shadow. That Keane's not playing at this tournament is a tragedy. The FAI are the
pack of clowns responsable. I'd be less harsh with McCarthy - but neither man seems to have been at the
top of the queue when diplomacy was being given out
Go wan the lads tomorrow, anyhow - 'There's only 2 Keanos'


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup(Soccer) Irelands nightmare
From: Bullfrog Jones
Date: 04 Jun 02 - 04:52 AM

ard mhacha --- maybe Roy Keane knows that he he isn't fit to lace George Best's drinks!

BJ


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup(Soccer) Irelands nightmare
From: ard mhacha
Date: 04 Jun 02 - 05:47 AM

Drunk or sober a better person and footballer than the over rated workhorse. Ard Mhacha.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup(Soccer) Irelands nightmare
From: Bullfrog Jones
Date: 04 Jun 02 - 06:16 AM

Oh right, Donal, we're choosing international captains on the size of their hairdressing bills now are we? Obviously little things like talent, leadership, dignity and the support and respect of your team mates and manager are irrelevant. I admire your loyalty and support for Roy Keane, but if you have to resort to cheap attacks on Beckham's lifestyle to prove it you're weakening your case. Why don't you just admit that you and your Cameroon shirt-wearing mates were hoping that Ireland would get stuffed just to prove your point?
I said in my first post to this thread "I suspect that all the other Irish players will be making a superhuman effort to prove that they can perform without him" and they did -- and I think they can do it again against Germany.

BJ


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup(Soccer) Irelands nightmare
From: Wolfgang
Date: 04 Jun 02 - 06:30 AM

The last time Germany was able to win against Ireland was in 1979. As Paddy Plastique has said, Ireland hasn't lost to Germany in all games since the Charlton era, altogether two games, one in the 80s and one in the 90s.

Looks like a sound basis for a safe bet.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup(Soccer) Irelands nightmare
From: GUEST,Mikey joe
Date: 04 Jun 02 - 06:43 AM

Donal everything you have point out proves that Roy Keane is ahard man - hard tackles, not crying ?!?!?!, taking a head butt. I'm am not denying that he is a hard man. However to take Bullforgs attributes for a captain. I think keane certainly has the talent. However when it comes to Ireland he has none of the other attributes. How can he lead the others when they can't stand the sight of him. Anyone who has played team sports can understand that. Dginity and respect not attributes associated with phrases like "you english c**t". What ever happened the the great put downs by the likes of Mohammed Ali. As I said in my original post I've been following the career of Roy Keane since he moved to England. And I definately think he deserved to go.

Mikey joe


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup(Soccer) Irelands nightmare
From: GUEST,shanty_steve
Date: 04 Jun 02 - 10:30 AM

For those of you not living in Ireland, its impossible for you to imagine how big the Roy Keane story has been here. It dwarfed the coverage given to the election that had taken place the previous week. It made the front page of quality newspapers for 8 successive days. Radio and TV chat shows discussed nothing else for this period. By comparison, the possibility of a nuclear war between India and Pakistan was a mere footnote. And everyone has an opinion on the matter. I reckon the public are divided roughly 50-50 between blaming Keane and blaming McCarthy/FAI. The debate has quitened down a bit now, because most people feel they should get behind the team while the world cup is on. However, I'd say the debate will start up again as soon as its over.

My own view is that Keane should never have been sent home. What he did is not extraordinary in the footballing world. For example, after their match against Ireland, the Cameroon player Geremi complained bitterly to the press about the way his team have prepared for the event (he mentioned that they had to travel for 7 hours the day before the game). The Cameroon manager hasn't decided to send Gerimi home. Yesterday, the French striker Trezeguet complained that the rest of his team didn't provide him with enough support during their opening match. The French defender Desailly replied through the press today basically saying that Trezeguet himself played very poorly in that opening game. About a week ago in a training game, Sweden's Freddie Ljunberg tried to throttle a team mate. My point is that when you get a large group of people who aren't friends with one another, and force them to spend a month in close contact with one another, occasionally spats will develop. And because of the media today, these are made public, and can quickly get blown out of proportion.

My basic point is that its not Keane's job to be diplomatic. His job is too play football, and he does that very well. McCarthy's job is to manage, which includes a large element of diplomacy. His job is to smooth over any problems the players might have, and make sure that Ireland can field its strongest possible team, with all of the players being as well prepared as possible. McCarthy has failed to do this.

There has been a lot of mis-information in this whole debate. For example, the press have alleged that McCarthy was called 'an English C***' by Keane. However, no-one who was at the meeting in question ever alleged that Keane said this, and Keane has denied it. It is also alleged that the other players are happier without Keane around the place. If that's the case, why did David Connolly approach Niall Quinn on behalf of a number of players, asking him to make an effort to get Keane back. And why did Quinn make that effort, behind the manager's back no less?

Finally to the Keane Vs Beckham debate. Alex Ferguson, the most successful manager in Britain in the last 20 years dropped Beckham for 8 games late last year. Ferguson has never dropped Keane. When Man Utd were struggling last season, Ferguson said that he wished he had 10 Roy Keanes. He's never said that about Beckham. Which is not to say that Beckham is anything other than a great player. And Beckham certainly has attributes to his game which Keane will never have. Its just that when the chips are down, Keane has far more influence over a game than Beckham does. And Keane never has a poor game, which Beckham does.

I should have declared my bias at the start of this posting. I love Roy Keane!

Stephen


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup(Soccer) Irelands nightmare
From: GUEST,Den
Date: 04 Jun 02 - 04:08 PM

Its funny how misinformation seems to thrive around here. I mentioned (way up there in the thread) that Keane calling McCarthy an English whatever never happened. Keane has been painted with the big broad stick and that his treatment in this whole episode was wrong, and handled very badly. Some great points being reiterated about the man, the game in Juventus being the most poignient. One more to add Raul called his coach a pain in the ass publicly the other day and guess what he's still there. Alex Ferguson has also stated that Roy keane is the best player he has ever managed ever. His three best players were in the following order Roy Keane, Bryan Robson and Eric Cantona...no mention of Becks. D


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup(Soccer) Irelands nightmare
From: Big John
Date: 04 Jun 02 - 09:20 PM

I only started this thread because I wrote a funny song about the "incident". I saw only one other "funny song" in the thread. Now I have been dragged into "political" comment which is not my scene. Can I just point out a few "facts". (1) After the initial row about Sai Pan it was ROY KEANE who decided he was going home. (2) After MICK McCARTHY had already arranged a replacement for ROY, MICK McCARTHY relented and took ROY back on the team. (3) After ROY KEANE had been reinstated HE gave an interview to the IRISH TIMES criticising MICK McCARTHY, but more importantly, branding several of his teammates as COWARDS. When the TEAM became aware of this interview THEY decided they could no longer operate with him. If my "facts" are correct then I can fully understand why he had to go. GO ON THE BOYS IN GREEN!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup(Soccer) Irelands nightmare
From: The Hiker
Date: 04 Jun 02 - 09:53 PM

Three brief points 1. Roy Keane was in Japan(Saipan)to play football and represent his country,not to wash the dirty linen of the FAI in public.

2.There is no I in team,no single player may set himself as being more important than the team.

3.Playing for his country and keeping faith with the thousands of fans, at home and more especially those who travelled to the far east, was less important to Roy than making an apology however sincere or not.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup(Soccer) Irelands nightmare
From: Den
Date: 04 Jun 02 - 10:01 PM

No your facts are a little out of order. Keane was critical of the training facilities, the lack of balls (none) with which to train with, no training kit and no physio equipment or special fluids which they were to drink after training. That and the fact the training pitch was like a carpark (hard). He felt it was his responsibility as team Captain that he voice these concerns to McCarthy. Which he did in private in McCarthy's room.

According to Keane when he complained about the pitch McCarthy said he'd heard it was OK. Keane was astounded that noone from the FAI had come out to inspect the training facilites beforehand. Now compare this preparation with England's or any other Nation that takes their presence in the World Cup seriously. England flew directly to Japan. Ireland had I think four stop overs.

Anyway at that point Keane decided he wasn't going to continue and told McCarthy he was going to go back home. He talked to Alex ferguson and his family and was persuaded to stay. So again he spoke to McCarthy and said he had changed his mind and would stay. It was after that that he spoke to the reporter from the Irish Times. I only read an edited version of that interview but never saw any reference to calling his team mates cowards in it (that happened in the interview he did with RTE when he returned to England).

He claimed he told the reporter from the Times all of things that he had discussed with McCarthy. McCarty calls the infamous team meeting, Keane claims that everything was fine until McCarthy questioned his loyalty to the team by feigning injury so as not to have to travel to Iran during the playoffs. Keane said that he felt McCarthy was calling him a liar, at that point he consequently lost his temper and the rest is history as they say.

In the Interview he did with RTE on his return to England he called Niall Quinn, Steve Staunton and Alan Kelly specifically, cowards because after the bust-up with McCarthy they came to his room to wish him well. Right after they had just held a press conference to critisize him and stand up for McCarthy. They claimed later to have the backing of all the players on the team. Not true according to Keane. He said that Jason MacAteer, Ian Harte and a few of the younger players whom he didn't name because they were afraid a backlash came and spoke with him and told him that when Quinn asked a round of applause in support for McCarthy's decision they refrained from clapping.

I have been following very closely this whole thing reading ewvrything I could find, listening to interviews and if I have missed anything or miscommunicated anything then I stand to be corrected. Den


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup(Soccer) Irelands nightmare
From: Teribus
Date: 05 Jun 02 - 02:08 AM

Where does FIFA stand in this:

They decide where the competition is held. As part of that process they inspect the facilities and that should include the the accommodation and training facilities for each team competing. This is after all their major source source of income.

The only grounds for comparison between Keane and Beckham are their attitudes with regard to their jobs as national team captains - everything else can be filed as red herrings.

By his actions Roy Keane has waved two fingers at Ireland, the Ireland Team and their fans. Sir Alex Ferguson has spoon fed this mans ego to the point where I do not believe he could ever operate under any other environment than one in which he is constantly told how wonderful he is. That's the trouble when you come to fervently believe your own publicity.

In my opinion Roy Keane has behaved like a spoilt kid. The captain of a national side also has responsibilities, to his manager, his team, his country and their supporters. After all the arguement his worst move was the maybe I'll rejoin the squad phase - which he allowed to run until it was too late to fly out a replacement.

I hope Ireland have a magnificent World Cup and wish them every success today against Germany. Keane petulantly left hoping that Ireland would fall flat on their faces - THEY DIDN*T.

COME ON THE BOYS IN GREEN!!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup(Soccer) Irelands nightmare
From: mooman
Date: 05 Jun 02 - 04:07 AM

He's gone now and won't be back in a hurry, whatever the rights or wrongs of the situation and a think a lot of what has been said is "spin" in any case.

Whatever I might think about Keane's behaviour is irrelevant and he is certainly a fine player. I think, however, it is a credit to the lads in the face of all this publicity and adversity that they performed so well against a good Cameroon team and were unlucky not to snatch victory at the end when Robbie Keane hit the post.

I hope we can now all unite behind the team, whatever our our views in this matter, for the important game against Germany today and their remaining game(s) in the finals.

Slainte

mooman


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup(Soccer) Irelands nightmare
From: alanabit
Date: 05 Jun 02 - 04:17 AM

I'll second that. GOOD LUCK IRELAND!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup(Soccer) Irelands nightmare
From: donal
Date: 05 Jun 02 - 05:42 AM

A couple of points guys.......when (if) Roy called Mick an English C**T the insult was not the C**T part, it was the English part. Roy is back in Cork today to watch the German match on television - I still cannot believe that.

Me ?? I'm sitting here in Jackboots eating fatty sausages thinking of invading Poland ! C'mon der speigels!!!

Donal


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup(Soccer) Irelands nightmare
From: catspaw49
Date: 05 Jun 02 - 06:53 AM

Too bad Donal, you could have watched the USA beat Portugal!!!!!!

(:<))



Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup(Soccer) Irelands nightmare
From: donal
Date: 05 Jun 02 - 07:06 AM

Yeah !!!! Great result USA !!!! Who' s been teaching them soccer??? This *could* mean that is Ireland get through we could be playing USA in the next round...theres a thought.

Shit...I forgot I'm suppposed to be supporting Germany...so crank up the Kraftwerk, fuel up the Panzer, lets Rock & Roll !!!!

Life goes on

D


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup(Soccer) Irelands nightmare
From: catspaw49
Date: 05 Jun 02 - 07:29 AM

Well Donal, it's about to start and both teams should be "up" so I'll be watching here.........Hell, I was up damn near all night anyway!

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup(Soccer) Irelands nightmare
From: catspaw49
Date: 05 Jun 02 - 08:37 AM

Here in the US, the coverage is on ESPN and it's being done commercial free until the half compliments of the sponsor (all ads are shown either before, after, or at halftime). Watching the Ireland/Germany match right now and it's hard too miss the irony of that because the sponsor is Budweiser!

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup(Soccer) Irelands nightmare
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 05 Jun 02 - 09:24 AM

Germany 1 Ireland 1 (Robbie Keane in injury time)


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup(Soccer) Irelands nightmare
From: IanC
Date: 05 Jun 02 - 09:33 AM

Donal

A couple of points guys.......when (if) Roy called Mick an English C**T the insult was not the C**T part, it was the English part. Roy is back in Cork today to watch the German match on television - I still cannot believe that.

Thanks
Ian


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup(Soccer) Irelands nightmare
From: Declan
Date: 05 Jun 02 - 09:36 AM

R. Keane saves the day. Bring on the Saudis.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup(Soccer) Irelands nightmare
From: Big John
Date: 05 Jun 02 - 09:42 AM

Sorry about that result, Declan. What about Murphy's Law? You and Eamon Dunphy might get your wish when the Saudis beat us 4 - 2. JOKE JOKE JOKE (My nane IS Murphy). Go on the Lily Whites (I'm from Kildare as well so I'm well accustomed to being shafted)


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup(Soccer) Irelands nightmare
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 05 Jun 02 - 09:47 AM

And come on the Cameroons as well.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup(Soccer) Irelands nightmare
From: Declan
Date: 05 Jun 02 - 09:51 AM

Big John,

It was Donal who was talking about shouting for Germany. I'll be shouting for Ireland all the way! Goes to show that Roy (and I agree he's a brilliant player) is not the only one on the Irish team. I hope he learns a lesson out of all this, but I doubt it somehow.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup(Soccer) Irelands nightmare
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Jun 02 - 09:54 AM

Germany 1 - Ireland 1 !


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