Subject: Lyr Add: ORAN NA POLITICIAN From: Aodh Date: 07 Jun 02 - 10:19 PM Another song from South Uist, This time about the real life events that inspired Sir Compton MacKenzies "Whisky Galore" Written by Roderick Campbell (Roidseag Mhic Iain Clachair) how lived in the same township where I grew up.
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Oran na Politician From: GUEST,Philippa Date: 08 Jun 02 - 04:07 AM Mòran taing, is toil leam òrain anns a' Ghàidhlig na hAlba fhaicinn an-seo. I've posted so many Irish Gaelic songs, so it's nice to see Scottish Gaelic, and from the contributor's own locality. Probably many are aware of the fictionalised "Whiskey Galore". In 1941, this boat carrying whiskey, ale and more (for a possible war-time government in exile in the West Indies)came aground at Calbhaidh, near Eriskay. Although locals enjoyed their find and frustrating the taxmen, I've heard that there is still more on the sea bed, tempting divers. Aodh, there's a song on the same topic, same title,by Dòmhnall Dòmhnallach published with air in and sheet music in "Sùil ri Cladach" a collectiom of songs of the sea, edited by Alexina Ghreumach & Alma Nic Shimidh. Stornaway: Acair, 1992. Lyrics are different, don't know about the tune. Do you know it? (I can post, but will wait till you finish with translation, etc of your song) |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Oran na Politician From: GUEST,Philippa Date: 08 Jun 02 - 04:51 AM about to leave for weekly hill walk, but I want to correct my grammar before someone else does! "Anns a' Ghàidhlig" was right, but then I decided to be specific about Scots Gaelic so I need to drop an s:"ann a' Ghàidhlig na hAlba". It has to do with not using the article an / na twice. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Oran na Politician From: Aodh Date: 08 Jun 02 - 06:55 AM I'm just doing my bit for the isles! The "Polly" was left on Hartamul (The magnetic rock near Calbhaidh) for months. The local all being fishermen, took it to be abandoned as a wreak. So they took it as free salvage. They found everything a Government, and CROWN needed for a life in exile. This included the 32 brands of whisky. Anyway Officialdom kept quiet untill the political situation would allow the Government to salvage what they could, without too much attention. Only the Excise men, and Laird wanted to make an example, and they found one in a group of young men that foolishly went back just one more time. The bard of this song was one of them. The biggest insult to the entire story is that the locals got hounded for taking the "Duty Free" for there own use, yet the Laird was selling the confiscated whisky in his Hotle! The song is in the collection of Margaret Fay Shaw of Canna. I'll be back with the translation soon. Aodh |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Oran na Politician From: Aodh Date: 08 Jun 02 - 01:35 PM English:
A ship has come ashore here,
I heard she was there,
I went up as the rest did,
We went down to Loch Maddy,
Though I were to go thence to Inverness prison,
What left me sad,
The Excisemen said in the Courthouse,
Whoever walks from Ludag will see,
But if it were worth my while, The hull of the "Polly" still lies between Calbhaidh and Hartimeal, and every year divers go out to recover the goods left behind. Whisky from the "Polly" though now undrinkable, fetch very high prices at auctions around the world. Let me know if you would like any other songs from the Long Island, and I'll see what I can do! Slan leat Aodh |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Oran na Politician From: GUEST,Philippa Date: 08 Jun 02 - 03:19 PM would you like to see the other "Politician" song I mentioned? About 4 hours after I posted my last message, I was walking on a boggy, mist-covered hill above Crohy Head and suddenly I start thinking Mudcat again ... that I should have said as far as I recall there was supposed to be gold bars on the ship which haven't been found and that's what the scuba divers go looking for. thanks, Aodh, for filling in other details. I see some "Joe Clone" fixed the line breaks for you - but didn't know or notice to add the "a" to "fhalbh" (verse 3).(To create line breaks, add the letters br for break in between angle brackets at the end of the line - one of many things I've learned via Mudcat!) Do you know anything about a legend that there is a viking ship under water near Benbecula - I think the spot is called "Baigh na Birlinn" (Birlinn being a type of boat)? and are there any songs/poems on this topic? |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Oran na Politician From: Les from Hull Date: 08 Jun 02 - 04:05 PM Where did the story about a Government in exile in the West Indies come about? And why did it need a quarter of a million bottles of whisky? I thought that any government in exile would be in Canada - didn't they send the gold reserves there? I rather assume that exporting whisky would be more for currency reserves, perhaps the (unrelated) name of the ship has lead to the wrongs conclusions. |
Subject: Lyr Add: THE S.S. POLITICIAN From: Gareth Date: 08 Jun 02 - 04:08 PM The postings on "Whisky Galore" and the wreck of ss"Politician" prompted me to do a few searches, loving as I do the film (aka Tight Little Island), and Mackenzies original book. I discovered this anonomouse gem on a sailing guide "searoom.com" and would suggest that it deserves a wider audience. "This poem, by an unknown author, describes the sinking of the S.S. Politician
The SS Politician Gareth
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Oran na Politician From: GUEST,line breaker Date: 08 Jun 02 - 06:55 PM how to make line breaks before mudelf gets to them |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Oran na Politician From: Gareth Date: 08 Jun 02 - 07:07 PM Yes - Sorry my error - I cut and pasted, it looked ok but I confess I'd forgotten the BR & P & /P OUCH ! Thank you anon Mudelf from saving me from utmost shame, and thank you "line breaker" for that timley reminder to check and check again. Your post can be classified as 'diplomatic' - Obvoiusly I had spent to much time in the Mudcat Tavern, dreaming salcious dreams. Gareth
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Oran na Politician From: Aodh Date: 08 Jun 02 - 08:53 PM Philippa! I would love to see the "Polly" song you know off, Having a Mother born and raised in Ludag, I've grown up with all the tales, but that's the only song I know off conserning the Ship. As far as I'm aware the Viking long boat is in the shallows between South Uist and Benbecula. It was cought on the sands at low tide, when you can walk across from one island to the next. People have reported sightings of a Long Ship sailing up the sounds, but that could be the uisge beatha talking. And Gareth, as far as Barra is conserned, well, we will not go into that on such a nice web site!?! 8) All the best Aodh |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Oran na Politician From: GUEST,Philippa Date: 09 Jun 02 - 09:05 AM Yes I will post the other song soon, probably tomorrow. I would like it if Aodh can tell us more about the place of song and music in the community he grew up in. I'd be interested in any observation, for instance. of how people learn and pass on songs. When I wrote that I was glad to see Sc. Gaelic songs being posted, I was thinking about how the Irish language songs now have a fairly high international and commercial profile. The Irish songs are better known abroad than the Gaelic songs from Scotland, and yet there is a very strong Gaelic song tradition in Scotland. Among the non-Gaelic speakers, the songs are mostly known through Gaelic choirs and the mod, and also popular groups such as Capercaillie and Runrig. In the Gaelic-speaking areas singing has a strong place in the social life. I visited the western isles many times in the 1990s. I went to a lot of ceilidh dances in Berneray (Bearnaraidh Uidhist/na Hearadh) and in Stornaway. At a dance in Ireland, we mostly dance, but in the Western Isles they always called up lots of singers from the floor. Sometimes they sang the more well-known songs which I imagine they'd learned in school. Sometimes they sung songs by local people; they knew these people and/or their descendents. It was rare at dances in Berneray community centre to hear anybody under 50 sing a song in Gaelic, however, and many of the singers were over 70. There would be plenty of children and teenagers dancing, but they weren't called to sing, and there were a couple of younger adults who sang English-language songs. In Berneray people also sing and tell jokes and stories when they party in their houses. I spoke with women who had waulked tweed when they were younger; there is no longer any tweed industry at all in Berneray. They sang while they worked. But people have not kept these songs as mere entertainment. I didn't hear waulking songs at ceilidhean, nor much puirt a' beul for that matter. As for Stornaway, it is hardly a bastion of Gaelic, but there are lots of Gaelic speakers from elsewhere in Lewis and Harris who live or work in the town. One ceilidh I went to was almost entirely made up of people from Point. These ceilidhean at the boat club and the British Legion didn't have children in attendance; there were some younger adults singing as well as the older people. But I think what impressed me most was when a party of councillors from Comhairle nan Eilean came to Derry, N Ireland on an exchange trip, along with a group of musicians and Highland dancers. Relaxing in a pub after a concert by the musical contingent, some of the visiting councillors were singing songs to each other and discussing the songs' authors and backgrounds. (Sorry Aodh, I think these singers were from Lewis not from Uist!) Aodh, you wrote somewhere on Mudcat about 'step dancing' in Uist? As far as I am aware step dancing is a revival of dance styles "brought back" from Nova Scotia. There are a few dancers living in Skye who teach weekly classes in Skye and Lochalsh for children and adults, but I personally only came across step dancing in the Western Isles when festivals and workshops were taking place. I went to the first "Ceolas" summer school in S Uist 5 or 6 years ago. Cape Breton musicians and dancers play a big role in that school. I wonder have the steps taken off since then, in the way they are growing in popularity in Skye? Or do you remember people step dancing when you were growing up? I'm interested in the quadrilles because I really enjoy céili and set dancing in Ireland. I enjoyed dancing in Scotland to, but someimes I longed for a dance with more complex patterns than the two hand dances (Canadian Barn Dance, St Bernard Waltz, etc) and Strip the Willow. I was talking to a 70+ year old woman in Berneray about this, how I missed the dancing I do in Ireland. I was describing set dancing to her, and she knew what I was talking about even though I had not used the terms that she did when she said "We used to do quadrilles, we did Lancers when I was young." Despite the substantial 'Bringing it all back home' revival of Cape Breton Step Dancing, which several people teach in Scotland; the only person I know of teaching the group dances such as quadrilles is Scandinavian Mat Mellins who mostly works in Lewis and Sutherland. I wonder if Aodh meant these sort of dances? The Ceolas group attended/performed at a ceilidh in Eriskay. We'd heard that a local quadrille was still danced there, but the people who were asked to show it to us were too shy to put on a performance, and we hadn't much time to warm them round to the idea before we had to get our special late ferry back to South Uist. ...I remain interested in hearing anything about the survival and revival of quadrille -type dances in Scotland. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Oran na Politician From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Date: 09 Jun 02 - 12:16 PM Philippa. You have GOT to come visit Cape Breton. Especially during the Celtic Colours Festival. You'll get all the dancing you would ever wish to see I'm sure. Lots of music, especially the Scottish variety, including plenty of waulking (known as milling) songs. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Oran na Politician From: GUEST,Philippa Date: 09 Jun 02 - 03:52 PM George, an Irish fiddler who went to Cape Breton said she thought she had died and gone to heaven! The first time I saw Cape Breton musicians was at a gathering in Cork (1993?) and I was very impressed that just about everyone in the group of about a dozen fiddled and danced and sang and played piano; they would take turns leaving down their fiddles to accompany the others on piano. And of course, Natalie McMaster, danced while she fiddled. I saw her about 5 years later in Stornaway and she was more of star then but I didn't enjoy her playing as much that time. I don't especially like to watch dancing; I prefer to be able to join in. We do have plenty of music in Ireland, it's just I think it is becoming more of a specialist pastime and less something that involves the whole community. |
Subject: Lyr Add: ÒRAN NA POLITICIAN (2) From: GUEST,Philippa Date: 10 Jun 02 - 07:53 AM ÒRAN NA POLITICIAN (2) Dòmhnall Dòmhnallach O togaidh mise fonn air an fhonn seo an dràsd' Air long nan crann caol th'anns a' chaolas a' tàmh, 'S on thàinig i on chuan le rud luachmhor air bòrd, Tha 'n t-eilean ann an tuaineal 's an sluagh air an dòigh Air madainn gheamhreadh ghaothar, is smùid oirr' on chuan, 'S ann thàinig i an taobh seo, long aobhach nam buadh, 'S gun cualas an glaodh feadh nan daoine dol suas, 'Tha 'n iùbhrach na slaod 's gun saod aic air gluas". Fhuair na bodaich còmhla 's chaidh òrdain mun chuairt Sgiobaidhean car dòigheil bhith còmhla 'n ceann uair, Air son an t-eathar mòr ud a bhòrdadh gu luath, Gun fhios nach fhaighte stòras ' rud còir a thoirt bhuaip.
Sin far an robh siarraban 's an seanchas mun tràigh,
I prefer the Campbell song. This one tells of the people seeing the boat stuck, they were all excited? the biggest thing since the landing of Bonnie Prince Charlie and his fleet. The men organised an expedition; they found all sorts of exotic and precious things from clothing and shoes and piles of cutlery to tar and Lysol; they were drenched in Eau de Cologne. But amidst all the hullabaloo, the noise from the vessel rose up even louder when they found the one thing they wanted most. A choice of ales, and the hard stuff too. A lame old woman shouted, "Shut your mouth Dougal, you're always about the 'Haig'. You're a daft clown. You're foaming at the mouth, you beast." But before it was all finished, she was drunk herself. Aodh ? have I interpreted "bha smùid oirre fhèin" correctly? I translated it in a way which seemed to me appropriate to the circumstances. |
Subject: Re: South Uist traditions From: GUEST,Philippa Date: 14 Jun 02 - 06:19 AM I started a new thread about links between poetry, recitation and song. It has references to S.Uist. Another question for Aodh or anyone else with the local knowledge: If you've been reading Mudcat threads for a few years, you may know that I'm very interested in the song/story "A' Bhean Eudach", partly because the song has travelled to Ireland where at least 3 versions have been collected. There is lore relating this story to particular locations. Have you heard any of these? |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Oran na Politician From: Aodh Date: 15 Jun 02 - 11:44 PM Thank you Philippa for all your kind words about us Northernly Gaels, or as Billy Conally put it, The Irish that wanted to live on the Island under the perminant rain cloud! Firstly, as others see us; I've felt for a long time that Irish Gaelic culture seems to be better accepted than the Scottish. This could be because we'r seen as a dour lot of penny pinching scrouges with no crac, or our culture is thought of as Piper dolls in plastic tubes, and white heather. I feel that Gaelic Scotland still has a long way to go to irradicate this Victorian kitch, but I do not want it to be replaced by an Enya-esque vision of a Scottish Tir nan Og,(nothing against Enya please understand) The over riding feeling I get from most people is that Scots Gaelic culture is nice as long as it linguistic teeth have been pulled. Secondly, as we see ourselves; Gaelic Scotland has no real problem with its self, it just doesn't know it yet. Give or take the occasional set back, (from the older generations having little faith in us young to carry on the traditions,) But singing and Music are very much alive. The Mod system has kept much that could have been lost with us, although like many Victorian inventions the Mod does not give much room for adaption or change, it is very much the bastion for regimented Gaelic culture, though it is changing, slowly. The local dances still occure (on a weekly basis in Uist) in one of the Church, or village halls. There is a very strong tradition in the southern isles of "puirt a bial" at these dances with known singers being asked up to perform. As far as the dances are concerned the Canadian step dance (The Scottish version of what most non Gaels would discribe as "RiverDance") That only died out in the Uists with my Grandparents generation, my grandfather and his brothers knew quite a few steps. The set-dances like the Petronella are still danced by the die-hards, The well known Scottish dances are enforced in High School P.E. classes in the run up to Christmas. Well thats that, well Philippa your translation of "bha Smuid oirre fhein" is fine with me, Its quite a fitting end for a song about the Polly! Slan leat Aodh |
Subject: Tune Add: ÒRAN NA POLITICIAN (2) From: MMario Date: 19 Jun 02 - 11:42 AM The tune for Philippa's June 10 7:33 post:
X:2 The lyrics are NOT placed correctly, I can tell you that!
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Oran na Politician From: GUEST,Philippa Date: 19 Jun 02 - 02:29 PM Thank you MMario. Of course, I had already posted the synopis cum translation. I now think "...she was plastered" would probably be better wording than "...she was drunk" |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Oran na Politician From: MMario Date: 19 Jun 02 - 02:32 PM I know *grin* It got included in the file because I put it into the "notes" in NoteWorthy Composer. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Oran na Politician From: GUEST,Philippa Date: 21 Jun 02 - 06:02 AM mòran taing, a MMhairió. the question about A' Bhean Eudach is now referred to its own thread. The Polly was bound for Jamaica, they say. What happened to her crew? |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Oran na Politician From: Billy the Bus Date: 08 Jul 03 - 03:17 PM Refresh.... Missed this thread last year, as I was 'down', in more ways than one. Many thanks all the above for adding to my knowledge of 'Whisky Galore' the centre of my life, both the book and the fluid. First, my serious contribution to the thread. Some years ago, I made contact with a computer programmer, "Jaf" (John A Fotheringham for long). He was born in Oban (Scotland). As I live in Oban (Stewart Island - NZ), the e-mails quickly turned to 'Whisky Galore'. Jaf is the proud owner of two bottles of whisky that his grandad, a hardhat diver, salvaged from SS Politician, legitimately (well the salvage would have been, but I'm not too sure about him souveniring them). Anyway... One is a bottle of "King's Ransom", blended by William Whiteley & Co, but primarily (I understand) single malt from Edradour Distillery, which is still going strong, though small. From what I found a few years back, the whisky was designated for the American market. The big selling point was that kegs of the fine product were sent round the world by sea, before being bottled! Personally I can't see it doing Scotch any good, but those who drink 'whiskey' will drink anything I guess - provided there's a unique story behind it. Anyway.... In pre-WWII days, the contents of that 'Polly-bottle' would have passed close to my home, half a world away. 'Tis a crazy world, especially the way unrelated Mudcat threads eventually tie together. My train of thought started with the Giant Squid Thread which led to a pearl-diver fighting an octopus, thence to Jaf's grandad, who taught himself hard-hat diving on a Pacific Island, while seeking pearls, thence to toughts of the bottles and a Forum search for 'Whisky Galore' - and THIS treasure trove. Thanks Folk Slainte - Sam |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Oran na Politician From: Charley Noble Date: 08 Jul 03 - 05:50 PM Well, it all makes sense to me, Sam! LOL My old family friend Dennis did engage in some ad hoc pearl diving while he was sailing through the South Pacific in the 1930's; he described his adventures in BLUE WATER VAGABONDS which still can be found on the used books websites and is well worth a read. Cheerily, Charley Noble |
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