InOBU & Richie Havens Tommorow (true!)

Subject: InOBU & Richie Havens Tommorow (true!)
From: InOBU
Date: 10 Jun 02 - 05:50 PM

First they came for the immigrants, then they came for their lawyers."Tuesday, June 11, 6:30-9:00 p.m. An evening of information, discussion, cultural performance and celebration of resistance to support Lynne Stewart* Judson Memorial Church 55 Washington Square South, Manhattan (between Thompson & Sullivan)
RICHIE HAVENS is a nationally known blues and folk musician since the1960's whose most recent CD, "Kulanjan",is a collaboration with ToumaniDiabate from Mali in West Africa, reflected in such cuts as "Mississippi-Mali Blues", "Atlanta Kaira", and "Catfish Blues".
LARRY OTWAY has been a political scientist and folk singer in the Irish tradition. His activism and music is an expression of Quaker witness for justice. A graduate of New York University School of Law he has worked on issues of social justice for (among others) Original Nations in North America, Roma (commonly called Gypsies) and Bangladeshi minorities facing forced migration. His band Sorcha Dorcha's latest CD is titled Nil Sasta ach Amadain - (Only Idiots are Satisfied).

CHRISTINE POYNTER-BOND SINGERS are an ensemble of gospel singers and musicians led by led by the daughter, and including the granddaughter, of Ralph Poynter, Lynne Stewart's husband.

Hope to see you all there... Larry

Subject: RE: InOBU & Richie Havens Tommorow (true!)
From: mooman
Date: 10 Jun 02 - 05:57 PM

Wrong side of the pond for me Larry but I'll be there with you in spirit.

Good thoughts and best wishes,

mooman

Subject: RE: InOBU & Richie Havens Tommorow (true!)
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 10 Jun 02 - 10:56 PM

Hi, Larry:

One memorable night, I played at the Fat Black Pussy Cat in Greenwich Village. If you did a set, they gave you a hamburger and fries. Sing for your supper. Two other guys stopped in and we each did a set. Richie Havens was accompanying himself on bongo drums and did his enterpretation of an English folk song on bongos. Tiny Tim did his Shtick, and I tried desperately to sound like a worn out 78 of some old toothless guy from Appalachia, which was kinda hard, because I was in my twenties and shiny as a new penny.

Jeyrry

Subject: RE: InOBU & Richie Havens Tommorow (true!)
From: GUEST,Stone Cold Steve Austin
Date: 10 Jun 02 - 11:01 PM

Richie Havens?

Kulanjan is Taj Mahal's album with Toumani Diabate. Richie Havens ain't got nothin' to do with it.

And that's the truth, 'cause Stone Cold says so.

Subject: RE: InOBU & Richie Havens Tommorow (true!)
From: InOBU
Date: 10 Jun 02 - 11:14 PM

Gee guest... if you aren't mistaken, then the Lynne Stuart Committee sure is, which I doupt... but, hell, if there is an error, I will let you know by about 11pm New York Time tommorrow... I guess the truth will be up to Richie Havens, no mater what Stone Cold thinks, eh????
Cheers, Larry

Subject: RE: InOBU & Richie Havens Tommorow (true!)
From: GUEST,Stone Cold Steve Austin
Date: 10 Jun 02 - 11:24 PM

Richie will probably think you're an asshole for confusing Taj Mahal for him.

Click here and I'll prove whose album Kulanjan is!

And that's the truth, 'cause Stone Cold says so.

Subject: RE: InOBU & Richie Havens Tommorow (true!)
From: Steve Latimer
Date: 10 Jun 02 - 11:28 PM

Well, Guest is right about Kulanjan and the tracks described being by Taj Mahal, so they are either wrong about the album or wrong about the artist. However, opening for either of these incredible musicians will be quite an experience. If they REALLY screwed up and both Richie & Taj will be there, let me know, I'll make the drive from Toronto.

Subject: RE: InOBU & Richie Havens Tommorow (true!)
From: GUEST,Stone Cold Steve Austin
Date: 10 Jun 02 - 11:38 PM

Of course I'm right. I've got the CD playing in the computer at the moment. What gets me is that this Larry guy isn't willing to admit that he made a stupid mistake.

He guesses "the truth will be up to Richie Havens, no mater what Stone Cold thinks, eh????"

It's not what I think, it's what I know. And it's easily verifiable information. This guy claims to be a political scientist and law school graduate. C'mon, with his research ability, he wouldn't have passed poli sci and no court of law would accept an argument that "the truth will be up to Richie Havens, no mater what Stone Cold thinks, eh????"

And that's the truth, 'cause Stone Cold says so.

Subject: RE: InOBU & Richie Havens Tommorow (true!)
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 Jun 02 - 11:59 PM

Stone-cold-j--k, it's good that InObu is a peaceable man! You may be stone cold correct but nice you are not. Larry Otway is.

Subject: RE: InOBU & Richie Havens Tommorow (true!)
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Jun 02 - 11:59 PM

Lynne Stewart decribes herself as a human rights lawyer. But the only human rights she stands up for belong to the Islamic terrorists out to murder Americans.

The U.S. Government has proof that she has actually conspired with Islamic terrorists and that's why she's going to spend the rest of her life in jail.

Of course, in the kind of society that she and her terrorist friends are trying to create, she'd have been tortured and killed. Women are not permitted to speak out at all in such societies.

Imagine, in New York City, only months since 9/11, there are people like Lynne Stewart and Mudcatter Larry staniding with the Islamic terrorists that would have us all dead.

For shame. God Bless America.

Subject: RE: InOBU & Richie Havens Tommorow (true!)
From: alanabit
Date: 11 Jun 02 - 03:42 AM

God bless America for having many citizens with more stable minds and nicer manners than our half witted "Guest"!

Subject: RE: InOBU & Richie Havens Tommorow (true!)
From: alanabit
Date: 11 Jun 02 - 03:43 AM

Oh by the way Larry. Good luck and have fun mate. Alan.

Subject: RE: InOBU & Richie Havens Tommorow (true!)
From: InOBU
Date: 11 Jun 02 - 09:00 AM

Well, I seldom take my last words on facts from professional wresslers, or folks who name themselves after the same, but, it well may be right about the album, quite definatly it is Richie Havens on the bill tonight. I was asked to type up the program, and I can't emagine that all the lawyers involved made such a huge gaff, which it appears they may have, I will check it out with folks by 10am NYC time when Lawyers begin to answer office phones, and for that, Friend Wressler, thanks...
As to Lynne's guilt, etc... let me provide you with another take...
1. The government does not have facts that "she has actually conspired with Islamic terrorists" and that's why we are going to have a trial.
2.The government, presently, wishes to deny you that right, which will make you a good deal less safe.
For example, the government now says that a certain fellow is to be held - mostlikely without trial, as a prisoner of war, for plotting to blow up a dirty bomb in the States...
Now I don't know how professional wresslers feel about this, but I'd like some oversight of the governments investigatory achievement, in light of the fact the last investigations did not make us that much more safe, here in New York. Point of fact, after a huge number of IRA smuggling cases did not win convictions, here in New York, the government brought an IRA gun running case in Tuson, and recieved the same result, which was that the FBI created a sting, and the six guys did nothing to aid that endevor, so the real gun runners where not caught. In such a case, you hope the FBI keeps doing their job, especially when the result of sloppy investigations are a nuke, of sorts going off.
If you don't see the value of a defence bar, I suggest you go and pursue your wressling fantacies in a nation where there is not a defence bar and tell me after a while, if you feel safer.
Jerry! Thanks for the memories of the Fat Black Pussycat! Man that place was much more fun then the World Wressling Federation!!!
Cheers all, I tell ya how it went latter!
Larry

Subject: RE: InOBU & Richie Havens Tommorow (true!)
From: InOBU
Date: 11 Jun 02 - 09:03 AM

PS So far she is not charged with conspiring with terrorists... she is being charged with paraphrasing a comment made by her client, two and a half years ago, and not understanding Arabic. The news media, with the exception of 60 minuites did not do a very good job of reporting the facts... Cheers again, Larry

Subject: RE: InOBU & Richie Havens Tommorow (true!)
From: InOBU
Date: 11 Jun 02 - 09:26 AM

PPS I checked and it appears Steve Austin is correct, I am still waiting to hear back from the committee... but I can assume the FBI will want to now charge Stone Cold with aiding and abetting terrorism, for keeping us on good terms with Richie Havens, thanks for the help mate,
Serriouly thanks, if in deed we can get the corrected programs out, all kidding aside, thanks...
Larry

Subject: RE: InOBU & Richie Havens Tommorow (true!)
From: InOBU
Date: 11 Jun 02 - 09:38 AM

Verdict is in Stone, a rather embarassed lawyer called me, and said, not only are you right, you saved him from playing Taj Mahal's album as the audience came in!!!!
I'll thank you from the stage, thanks again,
Cheers and happy rassling,
Larry

Subject: RE: InOBU & Richie Havens Tommorow (true!)
From: InOBU
Date: 11 Jun 02 - 10:11 AM

RICHIE HAVENS is a nationally known blues and folk musician who has performed his music in support of progressive movements from the Woodstock Music & Arts Fair in 1969, to the Clinton Presidential Inauguration in 1993-coming full circle with the His latest CDs is Wishing Well (Stormy Forest/Evangeline Recorded Works), which includes two longtime concert favorites, "Paradise", and "On The Turning Away". MOJO MAGAZINE (May 2002) calls this album "both a revelation and a joy". (again thanks... Larry)

Subject: RE: InOBU & Richie Havens Tommorow (true!)
From: Blues=Life
Date: 11 Jun 02 - 10:29 AM

Larry and Ebbie, Not to be Miss Manners here, but here are excerpts from the above thread:

Guest: "Richie Havens? Kulanjan is Taj Mahal's album with Toumani Diabate. Richie Havens ain't got nothin' to do with it."

Larry: "I guess the truth will be up to Richie Havens, no mater what Stone Cold thinks, eh????"

Guest:"Richie will probably think you're an asshole for confusing Taj Mahal for him."

Ebbie:"Stone-cold-j--k, it's good that InObu is a peaceable man! You may be stone cold correct but nice you are not. Larry Otway is."

Larry:"Well, I seldom take my last words on facts from professional wresslers, or folks who name themselves after the same, but, it well may be right about the album"

I admit, you did thank him eventually, but the escalation in tone came from you. A thank you WAS appropiate, but in seeking peace within the Mudcat world, perhaps the ad hominum attacks would rate an apology as well. Just because Guest named himself after a Pro Wrestler (not my first choice either) is no reason to assume that he was wrong, or to belittle him.

As my mother would say, "You messed up, now say you're sorry."

Peace to all, Blues

Subject: RE: InOBU & Richie Havens Tommorow (true!)
From: Blues=Life
Date: 11 Jun 02 - 10:31 AM

Oh, and before I forget, break a leg at your performance. Enjoy it, it sounds like a great show.

Blues

Subject: RE: InOBU & Richie Havens Tommorow (true!)
From: SharonA
Date: 11 Jun 02 - 10:44 AM

Wow, Larry, should be a great evening of music, politics or no politics! Wish I could venture up into The Big City to hear you but I have a gig myself. Have fun!!

Are there any plans to record this evening's program and release a CD?

Subject: RE: InOBU & Richie Havens Tommorow (true!)
From: InOBU
Date: 11 Jun 02 - 12:32 PM

My dear friend Blues=life:
Frist of all, you are absolutely correct, and before anything else, Stone Cold, if you find yourself at a session where I am, or at a festival I am playing at, or pass me in the street, the first round is on me, if you don't mind drinking with a bloke who drinks diet coke. Consider this an e-hand shake.
Second, I agree, blues IS life
Third, thank you. I often remind fellow Friends that we can't be open to God in others if we proceed on assumptions, and in fact assumptions can be subliminal, ie: a mental immage from seeing S.C.Steve Austen on the tellie jumping about ontop of fellows, and not at all in a loving way!
Sharon! I am really chuffed, and looking forward to giving the esteemed Brother Richie a copy of my CD. I need to take a wee nap, as I was waiting for my sweetie to come home from Vergina for most of the night (she got in at 6!) So thanks to all, and I will report on the evening latter or tommorow.
Again appolgies added to the heart felt thanks. Afterall, you could have held off until tommorow and embarassed at least two well meaning folkies.
CHeers Larry

Subject: RE: InOBU & Richie Havens Tommorow (true!)
From: InOBU
Date: 11 Jun 02 - 12:34 PM

PS, Stone, ol'skin. As a wee peace offering, drop me an email at [e-mail] and I will send you a copy of my band's CD, Nil Sasta Ach Amadain, it has been praised by left and right alike. I am sure you will enjoy the song I wrote for the ten lads who died in our local fire house on the 11th. The song has been archieved by the FDNY, and there is also a song on the CD, "Election Day" you may like. Cheers again, Larry

Subject: RE: InOBU & Richie Havens Tommorow (true!)
From: SINSULL
Date: 11 Jun 02 - 01:38 PM

I don't know, Larry. I was rather amused at the picture of confusion as the audience entered, considered that they might be in the wrong room, left, came back...And the look on Richie Havens face when the requests started coming from the floor.

Stone Cold might have cost us a good laugh. He, by the way, drinks beer. And you don't want to get too close.

Enjoy the night!

Subject: RE: InOBU & Richie Havens Tommorow (true!)
From: Kernow John
Date: 11 Jun 02 - 05:36 PM

Larry you are a gentleman
Enjoy yourself.
John

Subject: RE: InOBU & Richie Havens Tommorow (true!)
From: mousethief
Date: 11 Jun 02 - 05:41 PM

I'm jealous. Richie Havens is a national treasure. So is Taj Mahal, but that's another concert for another day.

Alex

Subject: RE: InOBU & Richie Havens Tommorow (true!)
From: Áine
Date: 11 Jun 02 - 08:32 PM

Lorcan, mo shem,

I'm posting this just as the program should be starting. I'm wishing you great success with the performance, and I'm with you there in spirit.

Le grá, Áine

Subject: RE: InOBU & Richie Havens Tommorow (true!)
From: Amergin
Date: 11 Jun 02 - 08:53 PM

Have fun, Lor! and knock their socks off....

Subject: RE: InOBU & Richie Havens Tommorow (true!)
From: van lingle
Date: 11 Jun 02 - 09:19 PM

Hope it goes/went well, Larry. Try not to upstage Mr. Havens *g*. vl

Subject: RE: InOBU & Richie Havens Tommorow (true!)
From: InOBU
Date: 12 Jun 02 - 07:32 AM

Well, quiet unfortunately, I did upstage Richie... He was supposed to get finished recording the night before in LA at 1am catch a night flight to new york, and arive basicly just in time for the performance, he couldn't make the flight, but promices to be at the next Lynne Stuart fundraiser... BUT! though the place was packed, and HOT (no air at all!) I got a thunderous reception, for which I am humbled and thankful, and the show of concern for the road we seem to be on, to a state without civil rights was heartening... I will keep you all posted on the next Lynne concert... and by the way, her daughter is a SPECTACULAR gosple singer, who I expect our mudcat family will be hearing from soon - and the rest of the folk world as well, by the by...
Cheers Larry

Subject: RE: InOBU & Richie Havens Tommorow (true!)
From: GUEST,Stone Cold Steve Austin
Date: 12 Jun 02 - 09:15 AM

I guess the thread title, InOBU & Richie Havens Tomorrow [true!] turned out not to be true after all.

It makes me wonder if you can ever believe anything that a lawyer says.

First, the lawyers try to credit Richie Havens for Taj Mahal's work, then InOBU gives us some crazy story about how he missed a 1 AM flight and couldn't get back to New York for a show almost a day later.

Memo to InOBU and other lawyers: There are more than 200 flights a day from LA to NY. The flight takes about five hours.

But wait a minute. What if this whole thing with Richie Havens was just another lawyers' lie.

I looked up Richie Havens' tour itinerary and saw that he was playing last night at The Birchmere in Alexandria, VA.

And that's the bottom line, 'cause Stone Cold says so!

Subject: RE: InOBU & Richie Havens Tommorow (true!)
From: GUEST,Stone Cold Steve Austin
Date: 12 Jun 02 - 09:19 AM

Sorry, InOBU, I appologize for my mistake. The listing for the Birchmere was for May 11, not June 11.

Richie's tour itinerary shows NOTHING for June 11.

When I make a mistake, I own up to it right away. That's the Stone Cold way.

And that's the truth, 'cause Stone Cold says so!

Subject: RE: InOBU & Richie Havens Tommorow (true!)
From: InOBU
Date: 12 Jun 02 - 08:11 PM

Good man yourself, S. C. I was just about to say, anyone who calls me a liar, makes a comment about himself more than about me... but, I will instead say, it is a big fellow to appologize, so I will keep my offer for a pint open! Havens has promised to make the first Lynne event he can so I will keep you posted. Anyone who wants confirmation of Havens having been on the bill can contact WBAI in NY and I am sure they will give you the word, and BBC covered the event, so you all in England and environs will see a bit of it as well.
Cheers for now, Larry

Subject: RE: InOBU & Richie Havens Tommorow (true!)
From: SINSULL
Date: 12 Jun 02 - 08:35 PM

Congratu;ations on your success Larry. You realize of course that if you could get Stone Cold and The Rock to attend with Richie Havens...

Subject: RE: InOBU & Richie Havens Tommorow (true!)
From: InOBU
Date: 13 Jun 02 - 07:27 AM

They'd be welcome! But the admission is for them to pose with Lynne, giving the thumbs up for justice in America!!!
Cheers and thanks, Larry