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'Collector' label discography (UK)
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Subject: Collector discography From: Phillip Date: 15 Jun 02 - 10:58 AM I'm trying to put together a discography of the Collector label. This is what I have so far, listed by prefix, rather than straight chronology:
1960 Prices Can anyone supply any more information? Rgds Phillip |
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Subject: RE: Collector discography From: RolyH Date: 15 Jun 02 - 04:08 PM A fine collection! The only addition I can find in the listings is a single JDS 3 Football Crazy/Rosin the Beau by Robin Hall (which was re-issued on Decca) I've got JES 12 listed as "Robin Hall" and then JES 13 listed as "Robin Hall Sings Again" Wish I had more of these , but I've only got two (JEB 2 and JFS 4002) Thanks |
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Subject: RE: Collector discography From: johnross Date: 16 Jun 02 - 12:45 AM A quick look through my collection finds one slightly different itle and another item: JEA 1 Sandy Paton American Folk Songs Volume 1 JEA 6 Rambing Jack Elliott Blues 'N' Country Horst Pohle's very useful (if not absolutely difinitive) "The Folk Record Source Book: England/Ireland/Scotland/Wales" (self-published, 1984) lists this item not on your list: JEB 7 Four Sussex Singers (George Spicer & ?) It appears that the numbering series on the 7" EPs identified the country whose music was on each records: JEB British JEI Irish JES Scots JEA American |
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Subject: RE: Collector discography From: Sandy Paton Date: 16 Jun 02 - 12:49 AM My God, that was forty-four years ago! Grandpa Sandy |
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Subject: RE: Collector discography From: Hrothgar Date: 16 Jun 02 - 05:33 AM Pretend that it was YOUR grandpa, Sandy. |
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Subject: RE: Collector discography From: Stefan Wirz Date: 16 Jun 02 - 09:52 AM JEA 5 (EP 1960) Rambling[!] Jack Elliott: Muleskinners (Muleskinners, San Francisco Bay, Alabama Bound, Talking Blues); see my RJE discography There's also a picture of JEA 6 (Rambling[!] Jack Elliott: Blues 'n' Country)! |
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Subject: RE: Collector discography From: RoyH (Burl) Date: 16 Jun 02 - 03:47 PM I well remember when I had every one of those. Still have a few but I wish I'd kept 'em all. Moral - don't sell your records, and keep an eye on those you lend out. |
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Subject: RE: Collector discography From: Thomas Stern Date: 16 May 03 - 01:08 PM I wonder what progress has been made on this discography and if the results are available. Do you know who started the label, and what the current status is? Are the masters preserved? Thanks, Thomas Stern. |
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Subject: RE: Collector discography From: Stefan Wirz Date: 16 May 03 - 01:59 PM another addition has to be JEN 4 'Poor Joe Williams - a man sings the blues ..' (Big Joe Williams discography) wonder what the 'N' in JEN stands for - I'm afraid it stands for 'Negro' (but those were the early 60s: 'A' for 'American', 'N' for 'Negro') |
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Subject: RE: Collector discography From: Stefan Wirz Date: 16 May 03 - 02:01 PM not to forget Collector JEN 3 'Poor Boy Williams' |
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Subject: RE: Collector discography From: Phillip Date: 30 Dec 05 - 10:33 AM I still occasionally try and find more to add to the Collector Records discography I started years ago. (And thanks for all the additions since my first posting.) Two curious ones I came across recently were JEN 2 Kenny Ball and His Band - Hiawatha Rag, and JEC 507 Hugo Dalton - same. I believe Dalton (or perhaps D'Alton) was a mandolin player, so the JEC series could be C for classical. Or it could be a different label altogether! |
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Subject: RE: Collector discography From: Phillip Date: 30 Dec 05 - 10:50 AM Oh, and Nigel Gatherer has some small icons of the Robin Hall and Jimmy McGregor records if you wanted to see them. http://www.nigelgatherer.com/perf.html |
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Subject: RE: Collector discography From: Matthew Edwards Date: 30 Dec 05 - 01:01 PM JEB 7 "4 Sussex Singers" made from field recordings by Mervyn Plunkett, includes:- I Wish There Was No Prisons - George Spicer Polly On The Shore - Pop Maynard The Sprig of Thyme - Jean Hopkins Barbara Allen - Jim Wilson ***************************** At the VWML I've heard a recording of All Jolly Fellows that Follow the Plough sung by Ernest Collins, Great Budworth, Cheshire which was issued on an EP "English Country Songs" Collectors Limited Edition CLE1. These were from field recordings made by Mike Yates and Sybil Taylor in 1964-65. [See the National Sound Archive catalogue NSA under the catalogue number 1SE0044333 for full details.] Also on the same record were: The nutting girl by Ernest Yates from Marsden, West Riding of Yorkshire The blackbird's nest by John Cantwell from Standlake, Oxon Down the green groves by Fred Jordan of Craven Arms, Shropshire. Here's luck to all my cocks & hens by Frank Rose from Swinbrook, Oxon. Also in the NSA catalogue [1SE0044334] is "The Soul Cakers of Cheshire" Collectors' Limited Edition CLE2. I don't know whether these were part of the same series, though the index numbers would suggest not. |
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Subject: RE: Collector discography From: Phillip Date: 01 Jan 06 - 06:39 AM Thanks for the link to the NSA, Matthew. I found a couple more on their catalogue. I suspect there will be others there, but the search engine is a nightmare! I kept getting incomprehensible error messages, even when just trying to move on to the next page. |
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Subject: RE: Collector discography From: Thomas Stern Date: 05 Dec 06 - 01:50 PM Hello Phillip, I would like to get a copy of your COLLECTOR discography. Does it list songs? Thanks, Thomas. |
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Subject: RE: 'Collector' label discography From: Scotus Date: 06 Dec 06 - 09:51 AM My copy of JES3 only has Robin Hall credited - no mention of Jimmy McGregor. The full title is Robert Burns Bi-Centenary 25.1.1759 - 25.1.1959. Jack |
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Subject: RE: 'Collector' label discography From: GUEST,Collector discography Date: 07 Dec 06 - 11:24 AM Unfortunately it doesn't transalte well from Excel to straight text. The columns are catalogue number, title, artist, year, and then the condition and price of discs I have seen advertised, although some of these will be years out of date now, and then finally some comments, if any. Phillip JEB 1 Steve Benbow's Folk Four Steve Benbow's Folk Four JEB 2 Steve Benbow's Folk Four Steve Benbow's Folk Four JEB 3 Shirley Collins The Foggy Dew 1964 VG/EX £ 80 JEB 4 Bob Davenport & The Rakes Geordie Songs 1959 EX/EX £ 20 also £15 JEB 5 Shirley Collins English Songs 1 1964 JEB 6 Bob Roberts Stormy Weather Boys JEB 7 Various Four Sussex Singers George Spicer et al? JEB 8 A.L.Lloyd England and Her Folksongs JEB 9 Shirley Collins English Songs 2 1964 JGB 5001 A.L.Lloyd Penguin Book of English Folksongs 1960 EX+/EX+ £ 50 JEI 1 Dominic Behan Finnegan's Wake 1959 EX+/EX £ 30 JEI 2 Dominic Behan McCafferty 1959 £ 10 JEI 3 Dominic Behan Songs of the Street 1959 VG/VG £ 15 JEI 4 Dominic Behan Mrs Hooligan's Christmas Cake 1959 JEI 5 Joe Heaney Morrisey & the Russian Sailor JEI 7 Joe Heaney The Bonny Bunch of Roses £ 12 JEI 1506 Seamus Ennis The Ace and Deuce of Piping 1960 EX/EX- £ 20 JEI 1508 Shirley Collins Shirley Sings Irish 1964 EX/VG £ 80 JES 1 Jeannie Robertson The Greatest Folk Ballad Singer in the World 1959 JES 2 Robin Hall & Jimmy McGregor Glasgow Street Songs Vol 1 1958 £ 7 JES 3 Robin Hall & Jimmy McGregor Robert Burns Bicentenary 1958 £ 5 JES 4 Jeannie Robertson The Twa Brothers JES 5 Robin Hall & Jimmy McGregor The Wee Magic Stane Glasgow Street Songs Vol 2 1959 £ 9 JES 6 Robin Hall & Jimmy McGregor The Bonnie Lass o' Fyvie £ 13 JES 7 Robin Hall & Jimmy McGregor MacPherson's Rant 1959 £ 13 JES 8 Jeannie Robertson I Ken Where I'm Going JES 9 Robin Hall & Jimmy McGregor Glasgow Street Songs Vol 3 1960 £ 8 JES 10 Jimmy MacBeath Bothy Ballads 1960 JES 11 Isabel Sutherland The Banks of Red Roses £ 10 JES 12 Robin Hall Robin Hall JES 13 Robin Hall Robin Sings Again JFS 4001 Jeannie Robertson Lord Donald JFS 4002 Robin Hall Last Leaves of Traditional Ballads 1960 £ 20 JDS 1 Robin Hall Johnny Ramensky/The Day We Went to Rothesay JDS 2 Robin Hall The Wee Magic Stane/The Dundee Weaver £ 5 JDS 3 Robin Hall Football Crazy/Rosin The Beau JEA 1 Sandy Paton American Folk Songs Vol 1 JEA 2 Sandy Paton American Folk Songs Vol 2 JEA 3 Sandy Paton Folk Songs of Love JEA 4 Guy Carawan Songs from the South JEA 5 Jack Elliott Rambling Jack Elliott 1960 Titles may be wrong. Original was an album JEA 6 Jack Elliott Blues 'n' Country 1960 on 77 label called Jack Elliott Sings JEC 507 Hugo D'Alton Hugo D'Alton £ 20 Mandolin player? JEN 2 Kenny Ball & His Band Hiawatha Rag £ 6 JEN 3 Joe Williams A Man Sings The Blues Same Title for two Eps JEN 4 Joe Williams A Man Sings The Blues JEN 7 Scrapper Blackwell Longtime Blues JGN 1003 Angola Prisoners Blues |
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Subject: RE: 'Collector' label discography From: Stefan Wirz Date: 08 Dec 06 - 05:16 AM further additions: JEL 1 The Mound City Blue Blowers with Red McKenzie and Eddie Lang (Blue Blowin' Jazz Vol. 1) JEL 2 Walter Roland and Georgia Slim (The Male Blues Vol. 1) JEL 3 Tampa Red and Georgia Tom (The Male Blues Vol. 2) JEL 4 Blind Blake and Ramblin' Thomas (The Male Blues Vol. 3) JEL 5 Tall Tom and Pinewood Tom [Teddy Moss and Josh White] (The Male Blues Vol. 4) JEL 6 King Oliver's Creole Jazz Band JEL 7 Freddie Keppard New Orleans Trompet JEL 8 Blind Lemon Jefferson and Buddy Boy Hawkins (The Male Blues Vol. 5) JEL 9 Louis Armstrong and the Red Onion Jazz Babies JEL 10 Hound Head Henry and Frankie Jaxon (The Male Blues Vol. 6) JEL 11 Fletcher Henderson Orchetra (with Louis Armstrong) JEL 12 Ma Rainey and Ida Cox (The Female Blues Vol. 1) JEL 13 Blind Lemon Jefferson and Ed Bell (The Male Blues Vol. 7) JEL 14 Bertha Henderson and Rosa Henderson (The Female Blues Vol. 2) JEL 18 Clarence Williams (The Jazz Originators Vol. 1) JEL 19 The Bucktown Five (The Jazz Originators Vol. 2) JEL 20 Jelly Roll Morton [Fishtail Blues / High Society - Big Fat Ham / Muddy Water Blues] JEL 22 Ma Rainey and Trixie Smith (The Female Blues Vol. 3) JEL 23 JEL 24 Blind Lemon Jefferson and Huddie Ledbetter (The Male Blues Vol. 8) JEN 5 Memphis Slim goes to Kansas City JFL 2001 Blind Blake JGN 1001 Primitive Piano featuring Speckled Red, Billie Pierce, James Robinson, Doug Suggs JGN 1003 Robert Pete Williams: Angola Prisoners' Blues |
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Subject: RE: 'Collector' label discography From: GUEST Date: 02 Oct 08 - 07:52 AM I have a much more complete discography than this for anyone interested. I have been researching the history of this label for some considerable time and have most (not all!) of the records on the label. The oldest records are the JEL (L) prefix which indicated a Jazz source. You are right about the codes used A = American B = British (English!) S = Scots I = Irish P = Political (Oddball) C = Classical (more oddball) N = Negro L = Jazz There was another set of codes which explains the variation in letters used. The central letter was used to indicate size of format. Thus:- D = single E = EP F = 10" G = 12" Sandy Paton recorded the first 3 records on the JEA series - JEA1, JEA2 & JEA3. Colin Pomroy was the man behind the label with the help of Paul Carter often as the inspiration with the folky recordings. Bernard Mattimore was also often involved as an engineer. Any more information required, please contact me. Alistair_Banfield being at the hotmail variety of com see above for email contact :-) |
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Subject: RE: 'Collector' label discography From: Fred McCormick Date: 02 Oct 08 - 10:21 AM I don't think this one has been mentioned before. Apologies if it has. However, Prison Worksongs LP Collector JGN 1006 consists of field recordings made in the Louisiana State Pentientary, Angola made by Harry Oster about 1959. The disc also appeared on Oster's own label (Folklyric?) before being reissued by Chris Strachwitz. The tracks are currently available on Prison Worksongs Recorded at the Louisiana State Penitentiary at Angola, L.A. Arhoolie CD 448. |
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Subject: RE: 'Collector' label discography From: Joe Offer Date: 02 Oct 08 - 11:46 AM Are any of these recordings available on CD or MP3? I see that Smithsonian has a Collector label, but I think it's a different one. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: 'Collector' label discography From: GUEST,Alistair Banfield Date: 09 Oct 08 - 02:57 PM The Collector in the name gives rise to confusion. The CLE "collector's limited edition" refers to a short-lived set of very limited issues by the wonderful Mike Yates. There is a collector label in America, Collectors editions relating to Jazz and the word "collector" in several other labels. Only the English label has the JEC1 sort of catalogue numbering system so that should help you work out which is the work of the Colin Pomroy label and which isn't. As you may have worked out - the existence of JGN1006 (see above) requires the other catalogue numbers JGN1001, JGN1002, JGN1003, JGN1004 & JGN1005 to have already been allocated. They were! Memphis Slim (with Alexis Korner), Charlie Parker, & Speckled Red were amongst the artists on these other records. Blind Blake had a 10" record issued For the real obsessives - There was another label owned by the same company called "Range". They had a very few issues of Country & Blues related material. Happy hunting! Alistair Banfield alistair_banfield at hotmail dot com |
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Subject: RE: 'Collector' label discography From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 09 Oct 08 - 03:29 PM The Collector label in the U.S. was the company started by Joe Glazer. There were some great recordings issued on that label, including Magpie and a number of labor-oriented albums. |
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Subject: RE: 'Collector' label discography From: johnross Date: 09 Oct 08 - 09:17 PM Alistair, do you (or anybody else) know who owns the rights to the Collector catalogue? Even better, do you know where the master tapes are? It might be an interesting project to assemble some CD reissues. It should be noted that the technical quality on some of those old EPs is quite dreadful. I recently listened to a couple, and they have a huge amount of tape hiss, even for the late 1950s. |
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Subject: RE: 'Collector' label discography From: GUEST,Alistair Banfield Date: 24 Oct 08 - 09:08 PM To be honest, I don't know who owns the material. I've had some conversations that suggest that the material was often released without any permission from the artists. Certainly I'd doubt if many royalties were ever paid. The early Jack Elliott and Guy Carawan recordings were actually from "77" label records and put on eps from the 10" LPs 77 had just issued. They were both on Charing Cross Road at a certain time, although Collector moved out to Greenford a little later in its life. I'll ask Shirley Collins next time I see her as maybe she knows. You're right it would be good to issue some of this material on CD. Jimmie MacGregor may know too and I'm in touch with him so I'll ask him next time I speak. I wonder if the masters still exist? I have some excellent copies of most of the catalogue and certainly good enough to work with. Alistair Banfield |
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Subject: RE: 'Collector' label discography From: GUEST,Malcolm Pomroy Date: 04 Nov 08 - 11:44 AM Hope this gets to Alistar. I am the son of Colin Pomroy. The Charing Cross address was number 100. My e mail address is malcolm@sellyoak.bham.sch.uk I may have some information that may help with your reasearch into Collector records. Please feel free to contact me. |
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Subject: RE: 'Collector' label discography From: brezhnev Date: 04 May 09 - 04:00 AM it's only a footnote, but the dates in general circulation for the Shirley Collins EPs on Collector (1964) seem to be wrong. JEB3 The Foggy Dew was reviewed in the Gramophone magazine in Feb 1960 (along with the Sweet England LP that came out in 1959). JEB5 English Songs was reviewed in the Gramophone in February 1961 and the reviewer said it was "not one of their (Collector's) most recent issues. Can't find any reviews of JEB9 (English Songs vol 2) or JEI1508 (Shirley Sings Irish), but they (and the above) were all recorded apparently at the same 1958/59 sessions produced in London by Paul Carter. |
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Subject: RE: 'Collector' label discography From: GUEST,78 collector Date: 07 May 09 - 04:01 PM i have located jelly roll morton muddy waters blues and big fat ham recording on a century label i cant seem to find any information on this label can anyone help me? thanks |
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Subject: RE: 'Collector' label discography From: Thomas Stern Date: 08 May 09 - 10:18 PM Century was a 'pirate' label which reissued classic jazz. Jelly Roll Morton [M11142-9] Jelly Roll Morton And His Orchestra: Tommy Ladnier (cnt) or Bernie Young (cnt) Roy Palmer (tb) Wilson Townes (cl) Charles Harris (as) Jelly Roll Morton (p) Jasper Taylor (woodblocks) Chicago, June, 1923 1434-1 Big foot ham [Big fat ham] Para 12050, Byg (It)24, Rhapsody (E)RHA6021, Neatwork (Au)RP2010 [CD] 1434-2 Big foot ham [Big fat ham] Para 12050, 14007, Cen 3004, Jazz Coll (E)L11, AFCDJ (F)AO53, Riv RLP12-128, (Du)RM8816, Milestone LP2003, M47018, Byg (It)24, Folkways FP63, FJ2805, Rhapsody (E)RHA6021, Milestone MCD47018-2 [CD], Classics (F)584 [CD] 1435-2 Muddy water blues Para 12050, 20251, 14007, Fam 3245, Nat 12251, Pur 11251, Hg 834, Cen 3004, Jazz Coll (E)L11, AFCDJ (F)AO8, Riv RLP12-128, (Du)RM8816, Byg (It)24, Rhapsody (E)RHA6021, Milestone LP2003, M47018, M47018-2[CD] Classics (F)584 [CD] Note: Original issues as by "Jelly Roll Marton" (sic). Milestone MCD47018-2 [CD] titled "Jelly Roll Morton 1923/24"; see following sessions and King Oliver for rest of CD. Classics (F)584 [CD] titled "Jelly Roll Morton 1923-1924"; see following sessions to June 9, 1924 for rest of CD. All above titles also on Masters of Jazz (F)MJCD19 [CD] titled "Jelly Roll Morton, volume 1, 1923-1924"; see following sessions and "New Orleans Rhythm Kings" for rest of CD. One take of each title on Black Swan HCD13 [CD] titled "Paramount Piano Blues, volume three"; see flwg sessions to "April/May,1924" for more titles; rest of CD by others. Neatwork (Au)RP2010 [CD] titled "Jelly Roll Morton, volume 1, 1923-1929 , The Alternate Takes"; see flwg sessions to July 9, 1929 for rest of CD. |
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Subject: RE: 'Collector' label discography From: GUEST,Another one Date: 02 Jun 09 - 10:46 AM JEC 505 - Beerbohm Tree - a collection of Shakespeare speeches by famous british actor (d. 1917) |
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Subject: RE: 'Collector' label discography From: Reinhard Date: 17 Jul 09 - 02:56 PM brezhnev, today I got a copy of JEB9 (Shirley Collins, English Songs vol 2). The record label states ¡ÈC.R. Recording First Published 1964". Also, the fonts and typography on the record label of JEB9 is quite different from that of JEB2 (Steve Benbow's Folk Four), JEB3 (Shirley Collins, The Foggy Dew) and JEB8 (A.L. Lloyd, England and Her Folk Songs, 1962) which are the only other Collector JEB EPs that I own. Is it plausible that Collector released this EP four years later than JEB3 and JEB5 (Shirley Collins, English Songs)? |
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Subject: RE: 'Collector' label discography (UK) From: GUEST,Alistair Banfield Date: 17 Mar 10 - 02:51 PM As an update to this thread, you may have thought that the "N" category didn't fit "Negro" since Kenny Ball is certainly not in that racial category. I have since been told that it almost certainly stood for "New". This is still not exactly definitive but Collector was originally "Jazz Collector" and issued 78rpm discs which were copied from American 78s. So the blues recordings and Kenny Ball Jazz were "New Jazz" to the directors of the record company at the time. Hope this clears up any earlier confusion. Also there was a classical section, a spoken voice section and an odds and sodds section which included political & obscure such as steel band and flamenco. What variety! Somehow reminds me of Argo's output. alistair_banfield at hotmail dot com |
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Subject: RE: 'Collector' label discography (UK) From: brezhnev Date: 18 Mar 10 - 01:23 PM Alistair, the only one of the 'odds and sods' section i've come across is a 1961 single by Ronnie Cass and Peter Myers doing a song about 'Lady Chatterley" and another about the ads displayed in shop windows by prostitutes "Police Notice". Have you got any details of others? |
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Subject: RE: 'Collector' label discography (UK) From: GUEST,Mark King Date: 12 Feb 11 - 09:14 AM i have a copy of prison worksongs on this label jgn 1006 |
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Subject: RE: 'Collector' label discography (UK) From: GUEST,45cat Date: 22 Feb 11 - 06:03 AM Hi, I found this thread while researching this label for my website 45cat. I thought folks here might like to see what we've got as a discography so far here... http://www.45cat.com/label/collector-records If anyone could fill in any gaps or even better add images it would be greatly appreciated. : ) |
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Subject: RE: 'Collector' label discography (UK) From: GUEST,Alistair Banfield Date: 27 Nov 12 - 09:22 AM Hi everyone. I'm still researching this label and occasionally still filling in gaps. Remember that there were more than just 45rpm singles and EPs. There were 12" Lps, 10" Lps, 7" Eps, 7" singles, 78rpm singles and some singles in the late 1950s/early 1960s which were issued in both 78rpm and 45rpm formats. It'll be a lifetime before anything near complete is assembled. alistair_banfield at hotmail dot com |
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Subject: RE: 'Collector' label discography (UK) From: Thomas Stern Date: 16 May 15 - 07:39 PM Two of SHIRLEY COLLINS 1958 Collector ep's have been reissued by FLEDG'LING, for "record store day" in 2014 and 2015. They reproduce the original sleeve and 7" extended play 45rpm disc. JEB 3 The Foggy Dew Fledg'ling WING 1001 EP 2014 JEB 5 English Songs Fledg'ling WING 1002 EP 2015 all the Collector recordings are now over 50 years old, so are now PD. Are there any reissues of any other of the Collector releases ?? Has anyone determined if the master tapes are extant ?? Thanks! Thomas. |
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Subject: RE: 'Collector' label discography (UK) From: Reinhard Date: 17 May 15 - 12:13 AM Thomas, WING 1002 English Songs was a Record Store Day reissue on April 18 of this year as you said. However, WING 1001 The Foggy Dew was published in September 2014, not on the Record Store Day in April 2014. |
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