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Hymn tune - Resignation

Mary in Kentucky 18 Jun 02 - 04:33 PM
Dicho (Frank Staplin) 18 Jun 02 - 05:10 PM
Burke 18 Jun 02 - 05:17 PM
Lynn 18 Jun 02 - 10:36 PM
Burke 19 Jun 02 - 05:21 PM
Mary in Kentucky 19 Jun 02 - 06:22 PM
Uncle Jaque 20 Jun 02 - 08:14 AM
Uncle Jaque 20 Jun 02 - 08:18 AM
wysiwyg 14 Oct 02 - 04:17 PM
GUEST,Daphne in Canada 27 Mar 09 - 06:48 PM
Padre 28 Mar 09 - 01:31 AM
GUEST,Paschalboy 05 Jul 09 - 03:50 PM
Joe Offer 05 Jul 09 - 08:33 PM
GUEST,Paschalboy 27 Aug 09 - 08:43 AM
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Subject: Hymn tune - Resignation
From: Mary in Kentucky
Date: 18 Jun 02 - 04:33 PM

I'm curious about the hymn tune Resignation. I know it as the tune here [http://members.aol.com/diosg2/resignation.mid] and here [http://www.ccel.org/s/southern_harmony/sharm/sharm/hymn/t=Resignation.html]. The words are usually the hymn "My Shepherd Shall Supply My Needs."

The Cyberhymnal refers to the tune Resignation here [http://www.hymntime.com/tch/htm/o/g/w/ogwhhear.htm], but it appears to be a different tune.

So....
1) Is there a mistake at the Cyberhymnal?
2) Have I overlooked something? *BG*

Also, I noticed that this tune (Resignation in the first two links) is similar to the tune St. Columba. (The King of Love My Shepherd Is) and both are used for hymns with the 23rd Psalm text. Resignation is an Early American Hymn Tune, and St. Columba is referred to as Irish.


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Subject: RE: Hymn tune - Resignation
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 18 Jun 02 - 05:10 PM

At first look, there seem to be two different hymns with the same name (both lyrics and music different.)
Alice Jordan Coll., vol. 2 includes "Resignation" as one of 19 pieces from "The Organists Companion." Listed in Google, not seen.
A set of preludes was written to "Resignation," hymn 172 (not Wesley), by Gilbert Martin.
I looked through several Civil War era hymnals without finding it.
Sorry, no luck.


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Subject: RE: Hymn tune - Resignation
From: Burke
Date: 18 Jun 02 - 05:17 PM

Hymn tune names are useful because they help identify the tune when it's used with different words. Unfortunately there is absolutely nothing that requires that a particular tune title be completely unique.

Both tunes can be called Resignation. Cyberhymnal is not wrong, just not very helpful. CyberHymnal says they don't know either the author or composer, but gives no information about where it was found as a starting place for further research.

The same or similar tunes were also often published with different tune names. In the Sacred Harp the tune named Irwinton is the same as your first Resignation, but with different words.


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Subject: RE: Hymn tune - Resignation
From: Lynn
Date: 18 Jun 02 - 10:36 PM

Resignation and St. Columba are different tunes, though having some marked similarities (same meter, same up-beat, similar contour). I've not heard the tune which the cyberhymnal indicates as Resignation, but I would give it much credence. Your first 'here' (audio clip) and the alto line of the shape-note notation (second 'here') agree. That's your tune, and a dandy one at that. St/ Columba's a mighty nice one too. It would make a fascinating study (well, fascinating to some of us) to look more closely at the similarities and differences between the two tunes.

All the best

Lynn (a church organist as well as a folkie)


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Subject: RE: Hymn tune - Resignation
From: Burke
Date: 19 Jun 02 - 05:21 PM

I find a sense of tune similarites is often pretty subjective. On the topic of meter however, these two tunes are not the same. Resignation is CMD (8 lines of 8,6) St. Columba is 4 lines 8,7,8,7.


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Subject: RE: Hymn tune - Resignation
From: Mary in Kentucky
Date: 19 Jun 02 - 06:22 PM

I know what you mean by subjective. My definition of alike is that I get the two confused with each other! Tunes that seems so similar to me, upon objective analysis, often have few overlapping characteristics. Probably what keeps them confused in my mind is that I may have heard the words "The king of love my shepherd is" to the first tune. So much so that I initially searched for those words on Google, (and I swore that the Resignation tune was what I heard at Princess Di's funeral, but it was St. Columba instead.)


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Subject: RE: Hymn tune - Resignation
From: Uncle Jaque
Date: 20 Jun 02 - 08:14 AM

Here we have one version which turned up in our collection:

  
"RESIGNATION"

11s. (Anapestic)

C.M. CHASE.

4b; 4/4

1.
I would not live alway:
I ask not to stay
Where storm after storm rises dark o'er the way;
The few lurid mornings that dawn on us here
are enough for life's woes,
full enough for it's cheer.

2.
I would not live alway;
No, welcome the tomb!
Since Jesus hath lain there,
I dread not it's gloom;
There sweet be my rest
till he bid me arise
To hail him in triumph
descending the skies.

3.
Who, who would live alway,
away from his God,
Away form yon heaven,
that blissful abode,
Where rivers of pleasure flow o're the bright plains,
And the noontide of glory eternally reigns:

From: Pg. 228
PERKINS; W.O. & H.S. : "THE CHURCH BELL"
Boston; G.D.Russell & Co., 1867


Disclaimer:

I'm trying to post this as "Web ready text" as produced by an experimental program, "Extreme Pad".

If it gets mangled, I'll try again with regular HTML markers. Since we don't have the "Preview" feature here, I guess that's about the only way we're gonna find out!



I have a *.GIF scanning of the score, if anyone is interested.

Line Breaks <br> added. Preformat tags without line breaks makes a real mess at Mudcat, and make Joe Offer remark, "Aaaaaargh!. Did you have the automatic line breaks turned off, Uncle Jacque?

-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Hymn tune - Resignation
From: Uncle Jaque
Date: 20 Jun 02 - 08:18 AM

Well... not bad.

Let's try this:

"RESIGNATION"

11s. (Anapestic)

C.M. CHASE.

4b; 4/4

1.

I would not live alway:
I ask not to stay
Where storm after storm rises dark o'er the way;
The few lurid mornings that dawn on us here
are enough for life's woes,
full enough for it's cheer.

2.

I would not live alway;
No, welcome the tomb!
Since Jesus hath lain there,
I dread not it's gloom;
There sweet be my rest
till he bid me arise
To hail him in triumph
descending the skies.

3.

Who, who would live alway,
away from his God,
Away form yon heaven,
that blissful abode, Where rivers of pleasure flow o're the bright plains,
And the noontide of glory eternally reigns:

From: Pg. 228

PERKINS; W.O. & H.S. : "THE CHURCH BELL"

Boston; G.D.Russell & Co., 1867


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Subject: RE: Hymn tune - St. Columba
From: wysiwyg
Date: 14 Oct 02 - 04:17 PM

So what is the Irish song from which St. Columba is taken?

~S~


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Subject: RE: Hymn tune - Resignation
From: GUEST,Daphne in Canada
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 06:48 PM

This is obviously an old forum. I see though, the cyberhymnal website still has some other tune called "Resignation" and so the question is still not resolved. I hope the following is helpful:

In The Baptist Hymnal (1973 The Baptist Federation of Canada) at number 447 has the tune listed as C.M.D., 3/4 in D from J. Funk's "Genuine Church Music" 1832. The lyrics are "My Shepherd will Supply my Need." The United Church of Canada book, "Voices United" (1996) features two other sets of lyrics. At numbers 494 it is 3/4 in C, 7.6.7.6.D and 780 is 6/4 in C, 8.6.8.6.D. Music source is William Walker's Southern Harmony 1835.

I recognised the tune during the opening scenes of the TV movie, The Day After (1983) a story about the devastation of nuclear holocaust in a small American town.

Hope that helps anyone still trying to find the answer.


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Subject: RE: Hymn tune - Resignation
From: Padre
Date: 28 Mar 09 - 01:31 AM

Notes on "St. Columba" from The Hymnal 1940 Companion:

"St. Columba" was set by Robert Stewart to two different texts in the Irish Church Hymnal 1873, and marked 'Hymn of the Ancient Irish Church.' It does not occur in George Petrie's original collection of Ancient Irish Music, 1855, but it is #1043 in Charles Villiers Stanford's 'Complete Collection of Irish Music as Noted by George Petrie', 1902. Stanford's caption is 'Irish Hymn sung on the dedication of s chapel - County of Londonderry' Stanford also calls attention to the opening phrase's resemblance to #1024 in the Complete Collection 'Soggarth Shamus O'Finn. A lament'

Padre


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Subject: RE: Hymn tune - Resignation
From: GUEST,Paschalboy
Date: 05 Jul 09 - 03:50 PM

I realize this thread hasn't had a post for a few month, but I ( and the congregation ) has just discovered this wodnerul tune, the Resignation tune. I had used it as a prelude today for Violin and piano by Clemens, working to teach the congregation the tune. After a few more settings, which i continue to look for, I hope to add it to our repertoire.

What got me going on the tune was the following link and piece, for bagpipes and organ, which I bought...now to find a bag pipe player!

Click "listen preview" and enjoy!

http://www.giamusic.com/search_details.cfm?title_id=5289


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Subject: RE: Hymn tune - Resignation
From: Joe Offer
Date: 05 Jul 09 - 08:33 PM

Hi, Paschalboy -
I fixed your link, so everything's copasetic now. I wasn't familiar with "Resignation," but it's a wonderful tune. The MP3 recording at CCEL (Christian Classics Etherial Library) is excellent.

Yes, there is a link between the first line of "Resignation" and the first line of St. Columba, but that's about as far as it goes. I know St. Columba as "The King of Love My Shepherd Is," but I think "The King" sounds better with Resignation.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Hymn tune - Resignation
From: GUEST,Paschalboy
Date: 27 Aug 09 - 08:43 AM

that is a stunning arrangement.....any idea of a publisher? the oboe and flute part a excellent for that tune! Esp the oboe, it expresses IMO, the absolute beauty of the pathos of that tune!


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Subject: RE: Hymn tune - Resignation
From: GUEST,teratologist
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 01:32 PM

The tune sounds like something Native American: perhaps Cherokee or Seminole. Thoughts?


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