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tremodt 21 Jun 02 - 02:04 AM
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Subject: what do you think will happen in Isreal
From: tremodt
Date: 21 Jun 02 - 02:04 AM

I am beginning to think that the Palistine will win the conflict through terrorist activities

Sharon cant stop them no matter what he does

This is what happened in Northern Ireland Brits never thought they would have to deal with the IRA, or Sinn Fein

Thatcher thought she would beat the IRA but she did not

What do you think

ron


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Subject: RE: BS: what do you think will happen in Isreal
From: alanabit
Date: 21 Jun 02 - 04:43 AM

Has anyone seen Humphrey the Rabbit lately? He's a very nice rabbit with brown furry ears and I haven't seen him for days.


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Subject: RE: BS: what do you think will happen in Isreal
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 21 Jun 02 - 04:49 AM

Why do I get the feeling that Ron is tring to start an argument here? Lets just ignore this thread, or talk about bunny rabbits instead.


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Subject: RE: BS: what do you think will happen in Isreal
From: alanabit
Date: 21 Jun 02 - 04:54 AM

Quite right. I like bunny rabbits. Has anyone heard from Humphrey?


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Subject: RE: BS: what do you think will happen in Isreal
From: greg stephens
Date: 21 Jun 02 - 04:56 AM

I think the lizards are actually more of a lime green, rather than turquoise....and they sort of shimmer


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Subject: RE: BS: what do you think will happen in Isreal
From: alanabit
Date: 21 Jun 02 - 05:08 AM

But they are not as nice as bunny rabbits, are they Greg?


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Subject: RE: BS: what do you think will happen in Isreal
From: greg stephens
Date: 21 Jun 02 - 05:16 AM

You think they are bunny rabbits... I know better


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Subject: RE: BS: what do you think will happen in Isreal
From: alanabit
Date: 21 Jun 02 - 05:20 AM

Well Greg, maybe... But I'm still so worried about Humphrey.


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Subject: RE: BS: what do you think will happen in Isreal
From: RichM
Date: 21 Jun 02 - 06:49 AM

What's the matter with you, 'catters? We have discussions in Mudcat about all kinds of matters political.

Rich McCarthy


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Subject: RE: BS: what do you think will happen in Isreal
From: GUEST,Bagpuss
Date: 21 Jun 02 - 06:53 AM

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.......no talking about contraversial topics, cos some people might disagree with eachother and get upset. Only bunny rabbit talk allowed.

Bagpuss


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Subject: RE: BS: what do you think will happen in Isreal
From: Mr Happy
Date: 21 Jun 02 - 06:58 AM

happy bunny!!


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Subject: RE: BS: what do you think will happen in Isreal
From: Noreen
Date: 21 Jun 02 - 07:28 AM

Rich and Bagpuss, the thing is in this case that the originator of this thread only starts political threads, basically asking the same question(s) repeatedly and causing the same arguments to be rehashed and entrenched positions to be restated ad nauseam.

Some of us have got rather fed up, that's all.

And have you ever had a ray smile at you? They're just as sweet as bunnies, though not as furry...


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Subject: RE: BS: what do you think will happen in Isreal
From: GUEST,Bagpuss
Date: 21 Jun 02 - 07:33 AM

But of course, you should never smile at a crocodile.


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Subject: RE: BS: what do you think will happen in Isreal
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 21 Jun 02 - 07:44 AM

Noreen is exactly right, if I was in a bad mood I would call RO1SIN a troublemaking arsehole.john


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Subject: RE: BS: what do you think will happen in Isreal
From: GUEST,Bagpuss
Date: 21 Jun 02 - 07:44 AM

It's a good job you are not in a bad mood John.


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Subject: RE: BS: what do you think will happen in Isreal
From: RichM
Date: 21 Jun 02 - 08:15 AM

So, essentially, only people who post music related articles are allowed to start political threads?
Or more distressing, only political threads that meet some unstated criteria?
I don't like these restrictions.
Here's what a search of the database using the word "Israel" revealed. Lots of political discussion here!
Rich


9017 - Thread - Message - RE: US/British planes fire on Iraq - Feb 23 2001 1:06PM - Jack the Lad
0.9017 - Thread - Message - RE: US/British planes fire on Iraq - Feb 22 2001 9:49AM - Gary T
0.8792 - Thread - Message - RE: US/British planes fire on Iraq - Feb 23 2001 7:50PM - McGrath of Harlow
0.8792 - Thread - Message - RE: US/British planes fire on Iraq - Feb 22 2001 3:59PM - Troll
0.8658 - Thread - Message - RE: US/British planes fire on Iraq - Feb 24 2001 5:00PM - Jack the Lad
0.8658 - Thread - Message - RE: US/British planes fire on Iraq - Feb 18 2001 9:33PM - Gary T
0.8658 - Thread - Message - RE: US/British planes fire on Iraq - Feb 18 2001 7:18PM - McGrath of Harlow
0.8658 - Thread - Message - RE: Middle East Problems - Oct 19 2000 2:32PM - GeorgeH
0.8510 - Thread - Message - RE: US/British planes fire on Iraq - Feb 22 2001 11:06PM - Skeptic
0.8510 - Thread - Message - RE: Middle East Problems - Oct 19 2000 10:05PM - NonMember
0.8510 - Thread - Message - RE: Middle East Problems - Oct 18 2000 8:50PM - Gary T
0.8510 - Thread - Message - RE: Middle East Problems - Oct 18 2000 2:43PM - GeorgeH
0.8510 - Thread - Message - RE: Middle East Problems - Oct 18 2000 1:44PM - NonMember
0.8351 - Thread - Message - RE: US/British planes fire on Iraq - Feb 24 2001 2:04PM - McGrath of Harlow
0.8351 - Thread - Message - RE: US/British planes fire on Iraq - Feb 22 2001 5:39PM - McGrath of Harlow
0.8351 - Thread - Message - RE: US/British planes fire on Iraq - Feb 20 2001 1:14PM - Fionn
0.8351 - Thread - Message - RE: US/British planes fire on Iraq - Feb 18 2001 8:38PM - Rollo
0.8351 - Thread - Message - RE: US/British planes fire on Iraq - Feb 18 2001 4:43PM - wdyat12
0.8351 - Thread - Message - RE: US/British planes fire on Iraq - Feb 18 2001 3:39PM - Jack the Lad
0.8351 - Thread - Message - RE: Middle East Problems - Oct 19 2000 2:54PM - Groucho Marxist
0.8351 - Thread - Message - RE: Middle East Problems - Oct 14 2000 10:24AM - John Hindsill
0.8351 - Thread - Message - RE: Middle East Problems - Oct 14 2000 9:23AM - NonMember
0.8169 - Thread - Message - RE: US/British planes fire on Iraq - Feb 22 2001 5:38PM - Jack the Lad
0.8169 - Thread - Message - RE: Middle East Problems - Oct 18 2000 3:28PM - Groucho Marxist
0.8169 - Thread - Message - RE: Middle East Problems - Oct 16 2000 9:26AM - McGrath of Harlow
0.8169 - Thread - Message - RE: Middle East Problems - Oct 13 2000 11:58PM - NonMember
0.8164 - Thread - Message - Thought for the Day (Oct 21) - Oct 21 1999 9:24AM - Peter T.
0.7967 - Thread - Message - RE: US/British planes fire on Iraq - Feb 25 2001 1:24PM - Fionn
0.7967 - Thread - Message - RE: US/British planes fire on Iraq - Feb 24 2001 1:34PM - Skeptic
0.7967 - Thread - Message - RE: US/British planes fire on Iraq - Feb 21 2001 7:52PM - NonMember
0.7967 - Thread - Message - RE: US/British planes fire on Iraq - Feb 21 2001 4:47PM - McGrath of Harlow
0.7967 - Thread - Message - RE: US/British planes fire on Iraq - Feb 21 2001 2:29PM - Gary T
0.7967 - Thread - Message - RE: US/British planes fire on Iraq - Feb 21 2001 1:05PM - GeorgeH
0.7967 - Thread - Message - RE: US/British planes fire on Iraq - Feb 19 2001 5:06PM - Pete M
0.7967 - Thread - Message - RE: US/British planes fire on Iraq - Feb 18 2001 9:41PM - Pete M
0.7967 - Thread - Message - RE: US/British planes fire on Iraq - Feb 16 2001 10:38PM - Troll
0.7967 - Thread - Message - RE: Wedding invite from Big Mick - Oct 29 2000 5:14AM - Quincy
0.7967 - Thread - Message - RE: Middle East Problems - Oct 23 2000 3:52PM - McGrath of Harlow
0.7967 - Thread - Message - RE: Middle East Problems - Oct 22 2000 12:24PM - Lox
0.7967 - Thread - Message - RE: Middle East Problems - Oct 20 2000 3:27PM - Groucho Marxist
0.7967 - Thread - Message - RE: Middle East Problems - Oct 19 2000 4:24PM - McGrath of Harlow
0.7967 - Thread - Message - RE: Middle East Problems - Oct 15 2000 9:18AM - rabbitrunning
0.7967 - Thread - Message - RE: Middle East Problems - Oct 14 2000 1:04PM - NonMember
0.7967 - Thread - Message - RE: Middle East Problems - Oct 14 2000 12:54PM - NonMember
0.7967 - Thread - Message - RE: Middle East Problems - Oct 13 2000 6:45PM - wildlone
0.7967 - Thread - Message - RE: BS: Bush/Gore Round 2 - Oct 12 2000 1:59AM - Carlin
0.7742 - Thread - Message - RE: Thought for the day Mar 3-loss of Buddha - Mar 5 2001 6:45AM - Wolfgang
0.7742 - Thread - Message - RE: US/British planes fire on Iraq - Feb 25 2001 5:53PM - McGrath of Harlow
0.7742 - Thread - Message - RE: US/British planes fire on Iraq - Feb 21 2001 12:08PM - Grab
0.7742 - Thread - Message - RE: US/British planes fire on Iraq - Feb 20 2001 10:41AM - Troll
0.7742 - Thread - Message - RE: US/British planes fire on Iraq - Feb 19 2001 5:22PM - Fionn
0.7742 - Thread - Message - RE: US/British planes fire on Iraq - Feb 19 2001 5:13PM - Gern
0.7742 - Thread - Message - RE: Nader for President - Nov 1 2000 8:00AM - Troll
0.7742 - Thread - Message - RE: BS: Bush/Gore Round 3 Continued - Oct 24 2000 1:31AM - katlaughing
0.7742 - Thread - Message - RE: Middle East Problems - Oct 20 2000 2:10PM - GeorgeH
0.7742 - Thread - Message - RE: Middle East Problems - Oct 13 2000 6:40PM - NonMember


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Subject: RE: BS: what do you think will happen in Isreal
From: Noreen
Date: 21 Jun 02 - 09:40 AM

Rich, did you read my full sentence, or stop at the first comma? My point is that these political threads (are)basically asking the same question(s) repeatedly and causing the same arguments to be rehashed and entrenched positions to be restated ad nauseam

If you want to debate the subject with RO1SIN I'm not stopping you, and I would have ignored this thread as I do the others.

I do find it difficult to understand however, why someone would hang around this (largely) musical place but not take advantage of the music, preferring to wind people up on political topics totally unrelated to the music. (Clicking on the author's name above his initial post will bring up all his postings- you decide.)

Right, I'm off to get ready for Alcester Folk Festival. :0)

Noreen


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Subject: RE: BS: What do you think will happen in Israel?
From: Deda
Date: 21 Jun 02 - 11:48 AM

I love, love, LOVE folk music, and I'm interested in Israel, but I don't have time for another thread about it right now. I posted on the subject yesterday in the "Who are the terrorists" thread, and that wore me out and used up all my free time. (The list of threads above doesn't include that set of threads, with "terrorists" in the title, which are almost entirely about the middle east.)


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Subject: RE: BS: What do you think will happen in Israel?
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Jun 02 - 03:26 PM

Saw a TERRIFFIC feature last night on ANIMAL CHANNEL...

Lizards/snakes/spiders/scorpions...etc...


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Subject: RE: BS: What do you think will happen in Israel?
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Jun 02 - 05:11 PM

No rules, RichM, this isn't about rules, it is about being fed up to about here with RO1SIN--


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Subject: RE: BS: What do you think will happen in Israel?
From: GUEST,McBarf of Hurlo
Date: 21 Jun 02 - 05:21 PM

RO1SIN is my kind of guy.


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Subject: RE: BS: What do you think will happen in Israel?
From: GUEST,McShit of Crapo
Date: 21 Jun 02 - 05:21 PM

Mine too.


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Subject: RE: BS: What do you think will happen in Israel?
From: GUEST,McPiss of Leako
Date: 21 Jun 02 - 05:22 PM

I too cast my vote for RO1SIN.


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Subject: RE: BS: What do you think will happen in Israel?
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Jun 02 - 05:24 PM

I think those McBodily functions posts are from a troll.


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Subject: RE: BS: What do you think will happen in Israel?
From: tremodt
Date: 21 Jun 02 - 05:30 PM

at least "Ro1sin" has a name and does not call him self "Guest "

check the threads in today edition of the mudcat not all are music

If you dont think it is a legitimate question by Ro1sin why do all of you Bollocks open it even to talk about bunnies, shagg off

I am an Irish man living in the USA born in the USA

I have congratulated openy here for peoples positive opinions and their un positive opinions too

It is only a discussion nothing more

in closing let me reiterate my position

The IRA brought Ole Mother England to her knees just like the palestines will bring Isreal to her knees

We will have a United Ireland in a short time and we will have a palestine state too and ther palestine state will be orginized mainly by Isreal

Go to your bunny holes or mole holes and smell the molasses

RON


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Subject: RE: BS: What do you think will happen in Israel?
From: robomatic
Date: 21 Jun 02 - 05:35 PM

Sounds like Ireland needs some Palestinians. (My bunny said)


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Subject: RE: BS: What do you think will happen in Israel?
From: skarpi
Date: 21 Jun 02 - 05:41 PM

Halló all, maybe two things have to be done, first " a war " witch is not a good thing to do, and number two Arafat goes away from the steering wheel and they get someone else to do the jop. But remember there are groups that are boming in Isreal and they must been stopped, if not then we are gonna see a long road of trouble and it´s been a long enough. Anyway what do I know about this , I just wish that this people can get some peace very soon. I thank god what we are lucky to do not have these proplems around us here In Iceland. We have it damm good still we complain about everything around us. I hope that the Palistin and the Isreal people will live in peace. All the best from the north Atlandic , Skarpi Iceland.


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Subject: RE: BS: What do you think will happen in Israel?
From: Deda
Date: 21 Jun 02 - 06:08 PM

The following was forwarded to me, I haven't corrected any of the spelling nor the punctuation, nor the factual details, which could all use a little editing. But it's on the subject of the thread, and currently making the email rounds. I wouldn't bet the rent against Israel (from here on this is by someone else, not me, I'm just the one posting this). *************************************

I thought this was a great perspective from a friend's cousin who lives in Israel..........read on and smile!

I am not the least afraid to go any place, by bus or to a mall. I didn't change or stop doing ANYthing I used to do before this mess began. People tend to forget that twice the casualties from terror get killed on the roads! More people still die from heart attack, cancer, and other things; they just don't show them on TV.

Don't misunderstand me, there is a war going on, it's not pleasant, but lets face it.. WE HAVE NEVER BEEN BETTER!!!! It's only TV and media that make people think it's the end of the world coming. Only 60 years ago!! They were leading Jews to their death like sheep to the slaughter! No country, no army. 55 years ago!! Seven Arab countries declared war on the small Jewish state, only a few hours old!! We were then 650,000 Jews! Against the rest of the Arab world! No IDF, no mighty air force, just tough people with nowhere to go (Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Jordan, Egypt, Libya, Saudi Arabia, attacked all at once).

The country the U.N. "gave us" was 65 % desert. The country started from scratch! 35 years ago!! We fought the three strongest armies in the Middle East, and wiped them out in six days. We fought against different coalitions of Arab countries, with modern armies, and masses of Russian soviet weapons, and still won!!!

We have today a country, and an army, and a strong air force, and hi-tech economy, exporting millions, Intel-Microsoft-IBM develop their stuff here, our doctors win world prizes for medical developments, we made the desert flourish, selling oranges and vegetables to the world.

Israel has sent its own satellite!! In space (three satellites all together!!), we sit proudly with the U.S. (250 million people), Russia (200 million people!), China (1.1 billion), the Europeans --France-England-Germany (350 million), as the only countries in the world to shoot something into space!!

Israel is today in the world nuclear power family with U.S, Russia, China, India, France, and England. (We don't admit it, but everyone knows...) To think that only 60 years ago, we were led, shameful, with no hope, to our death!!

We crawled out of the burning ashes of Europe, we won our wars here with less than nothing in our hands, we built an "empire" out of nothing. Who the hell is Mr. Arafat to make me scared? Terrified? You make me laugh!

Passover was last month, let's not forget what the story is all about. We overcame Pharoah, we overcame the Greeks, the Romans, the inquisition in Spain, we overcame the pogroms in Russia, we overcame Hitler, the Germans, the Holocaust, we overcame seven other Arab countries at once, we overcame Saddam. Take it easy, folks, we will overcome these ones too.

No matter at what part of human history you try to think of, for us, the Jewish people, our situation has never been better!!! So let's lift our heads high, and remember: any nation or culture that tried to mess around with us was destroyed to the ground - while we kept going!!! Egypt? Anyone know where their empire disappeared to? The Greeks? Alexander of Macedonia? The Romans? Anyone today speak Latin? The Third Reich? Anyone heard any news about it lately?

And look at us, the nation from the Bible, from slavery in Egypt we are still here, speaking the same language!! Right here, right now.

The Arabs don't know it yet, but they will learn there is one God. As long as we keep our identity, we are eternal.

So, sorry for not worrying, bitching, crying, or being scared, things are going o.k. here. They surely can go better, but still, don't fall for the media junk, they won't tell you that there are festivals going on, people keep on living, going out, seeing friends. Yes, our morale is low, so what? It's only because we weep for our dead while they enjoy the blood (and this is the same reason why, we will win, after all).

You can forward this e-mail (if you choose) to the whole of the Jewish community in the United States,and the world. They are part of our strength and it might help some of them to keep their head up high. Tell them there is nothing to worry about. Tell them to think BIG and to see the whole picture.

"See you next year in Jerusalem."


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Subject: RE: BS: What do you think will happen in Israel?
From: GUEST,greg stephens
Date: 21 Jun 02 - 06:33 PM

just to make my own position totally clear to those not familiar with the background to this thread. Yes, I do argue politically as well as musically in Mudact. No, I am not prepared to do so with Ro1sin, it is boring and/or distasteful.


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Subject: RE: BS: What do you think will happen in Israel?
From: mack/misophist
Date: 21 Jun 02 - 06:45 PM

I find it strange and bigoted that Harvey has been totally ignored in all this debate about rabbits. Being 6 feet tall and invisible is NOT a handicap, it's an advantage.


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Subject: RE: BS: What do you think will happen in Israel?
From: Deda
Date: 21 Jun 02 - 06:55 PM

I wish that I were 6 feet tall and invisible. Especially the invisible bit. Way to go, Harvey!


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Subject: RE: BS: What do you think will happen in Israel?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 Jun 02 - 07:10 PM

If you click on the name at the top of a post (after From:) you get to see the previous posts made by the person posting; and sometimes a quick shifty through the posts adds up to a good reason to talk about bunny rabbits instead.

(Of course it only works with people who use a name, GUESTs or members. Click on naked GUEST and the back posts still come up, but it's pretty pointless.)

Here is a recipe for rabbit pie )Or you could use moose, it says.)


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Subject: RE: BS: What do you think will happen in Israel?
From: artbrooks
Date: 21 Jun 02 - 07:21 PM

The interesting thing is, it is a scientifically-proven fact that a horny white male bunny (is there any other kind) will jump a slinkey green lizard in preference to a cute female bunny 2 1/2 times out of 7.


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Subject: RE: BS: What do you think will happen in Israel?
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Jun 02 - 07:38 PM

The British havent tried to defeat the IRA. They have been trying to keep the peace between two sides in an Irish civil war. If they were trying to defeat them we would invade Ireland, and that would not be the will of the British people or our Gov.

I thought you would be American, not an Irishman Ros? Hyphenated idiots like you perpetuate the hatred and the violence which no-one wants anymore. Grow up and get a life.


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Subject: RE: BS: What do you think will happen in Israel?
From: artbrooks
Date: 21 Jun 02 - 07:59 PM

And besides, the offspring of a white bunny and a green lizard has a 50/50 chance of being a fuzzy green critter that hops!


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Subject: RE: BS: What do you think will happen in Israel?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 Jun 02 - 08:33 PM

"a fuzzy green critter that hops" - saints be praised, a leprechaun...


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Subject: RE: BS: What do you think will happen in Israel?
From: artbrooks
Date: 21 Jun 02 - 08:48 PM

Sure, an' if ya' rub his back legs together, he shits a pot o' gold!


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Subject: RE: BS: What do you think will happen in Israel?
From: toadfrog
Date: 21 Jun 02 - 09:48 PM

Had the Brits only been true blue, the South would have won the Wo' between the States, and we wouldn't have to put up with Bush and all his Yankee liberal S.........!


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Subject: RE: BS: What do you think will happen in Israel?
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 21 Jun 02 - 10:33 PM

I think one thing we can do is to lobby for the safety of everyone, and insist on security but also on fair treatment. Another thing we can do is to be watchful for statements that are triggers. The statement about oranges in a post above is a trigger. The Palestinians grew oranges; they were world famous. They exported them. They did not need other people to tell them how to grow oranges. They have lost their orange groves along with their olive orchards. They still grieve for these orchards. Their grandchildren who have never seen them still dream of them. They aren't going to get them back, except perhaps in token amounts, or in some sort of historical preserve, but we can still understand their grief. Can't we?? I'm Irish...people never forget land that they have loved. I personally know and worked for someone this happened to (back to the oranges). If we can be watchful of things like this that sound ok on the surface, but really are insulting, we can move forward a bit. I know this was not intentional; it is looking at something through our own lenses...mg


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Subject: RE: BS: What do you think will happen in Israel?
From: tremodt
Date: 21 Jun 02 - 10:37 PM

thank god you are not all bunnys


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Subject: RE: BS: What do you think will happen in Israel?
From: alanabit
Date: 22 Jun 02 - 03:02 AM

I'm not a bunny RO1SIN. I am just missing Humphrey.


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Subject: RE: BS: What do you think will happen in Israel?
From: Butch
Date: 22 Jun 02 - 09:07 AM

How can you be "Irish" if you were both born in and live in the US? My great grandmother was Irish (born in Cork) but after she came here she insisted that she was American.

By law, you are American since you were born here unless I am missing something. Please do tell.


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Subject: BS: Who's "Irish"?
From: Celtic Soul
Date: 22 Jun 02 - 09:30 AM

Butch...

The definition is simply different for most here in the States. The US does not have one national identity. One of the greatest things about the US is the fact that it is the world in miniature. Cultures of origin thrive here, and without as much divisiveness as you find in some other places (though, admittedly, it does exist).

I work in a business that is highly multi-cultural. We all celebrate one anothers culture of origin. Their are 3rd and 4th generation Hispanics and those who only just became citizens. We have Asians of many different countries, some having immigrated here, and some who's parents or Grandparents did. None of us has divorced ourselves completely from the lands that birthed us (or our Grandparents).

We all have a few things in common. A love for this country, *and* a love for our ethnic origins.

I am Scots-Irish/American, and proud of it. This makes me something very different than someone born in, and living in Ireland, but it also makes me something very different than someone born here in the USA of Italian descent, Mexican descent, Viet Namese descent, etc.

Ones culture does not somehow disappear when one moves to a new land. In fact, ones culture does not get bred out even after many generations.


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Subject: RE: BS: What do you think will happen in Israel?
From: artbrooks
Date: 22 Jun 02 - 09:36 AM

It is excessively cumbersome to say that I am German-English-Irish-French-Etc., especially since one part has been in the US since at least the 1750s and others didn't come until the 1890s. "American" is an adequate appellation.


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Subject: RE: BS: What do you think will happen in Israel?
From: Big Mick
Date: 22 Jun 02 - 09:41 AM

The important distinction, Art, is that is OK for you. For many of us who were raised in an environment steeped in the cultures of origin, it is very important to us to retain our cultural identity.

Mick


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Subject: RE: BS: What do you think will happen in Israel?
From: Celtic Soul
Date: 22 Jun 02 - 09:51 AM

Well said, Mick, and I second it.

Art, I'd say that it *is* simply a matter of choice here in the USA. Which is another great thing about living here. I get to have that choice, and I can respect your choice not to as well. That, I think, is the very spirit of a multi-cultural nation.


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Subject: RE: BS: What do you think will happen in Israel?
From: Celtic Soul
Date: 22 Jun 02 - 09:55 AM

Oh, and to bring this around to the subject of music, my cultural origins have had a great impact on the music I perform. I used to sing Russian Gypsy music. It just *felt* wrong, though it was beautiful, and I loved it. What felt wrong for me was that I did not culturally connect with it. I didn't have any history with it. I much prefer singing music of the British Isles. This may make me a "Plastic Paddy", but hey...it's what I feel genuinely connected to.


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Subject: RE: BS: What do you think will happen in Israel?
From: artbrooks
Date: 22 Jun 02 - 10:07 AM

You miss the point. I enjoy ALL of my cultural heritages, and the different ones my wife brings as well. I consider myself to be an American, and all of the pieces are what makes up the wonderful whole.


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Subject: RE: BS: What do you think will happen in Israel?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Jun 02 - 02:20 PM

Does anyone know how far it is from here to Schenectady?

- LH


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Subject: RE: BS: What do you think will happen in Israel?
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Jun 02 - 02:25 PM

No, but I do know the way to San Jose.


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