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Subject: research to ballad - The Jacket of Blue From: GUEST,Yum Yum Date: 21 Jun 02 - 05:50 PM For years I have been singing a ballad called Jacket So Blue. I was under the illusion it was an Irish ballad. I sang it a few weeks ago at a festival and today I received a letter with another version called The Jacket of Blue. The title isn't important but the ballad now mentions 'Langshire' and has a foot-note saying 'might be an abbreviation for Lanarkshire'. Is ther anyone who can throw some light on this? I like to have as much of the back ground as possible about a song when I sing it. yum yum. |
Subject: Lyr Add: THE JACKET OF BLUE From: GUEST Date: 21 Jun 02 - 05:59 PM THE JACKET OF BLUEIt was down in yon valley not far from Langshire Where I roamed in splendor and free from love's care Where I roamed in splendor and lovers were few I was won by a Scotch lad in his jacket of blue It was early next morning as quickly as she rose She called down pretty Polly to put on her clothes Saying, Dress me as neat as you can do Until I go and see my jacket of blue To the barracks next morning to hear her love's name When she got there they were all on parade At once she called him, he answered most true You're my bonny Scotch lad in your jacket of blue When parade it was over with the gun in his hand She tried to speak to him but his horse would not stand She tried to speak to him, in his arms she flew And he with the jacket of blue Ah soldier, dear soldier, I'll buy your discharge I'll free you from the army and set you at large If you once say you love me and to me you'll be true Sure I'll ne'er put a stain in your jacket of blue Ah lady, dear lady, you'd buy my discharge You'd free me from the army and set me at large If I once say I love you and to you I'd be true But what would my own Scotch lassie do? I've a lassie down in my own countrie I will never despise her poverty I will never despise her and to her I'll be true And I'll make her the heiress of the jacket of blue |
Subject: RE: research to ballad - The Jacket of Blue From: GUEST,yum yum Date: 21 Jun 02 - 06:18 PM Yup, that' the versin I received by post, it has similarities to the version I sing. Well, a couple of lines in the last verse at least. BUT is it short for Lanarkshire? yum yum |
Subject: RE: research to ballad - The Jacket of Blue From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 21 Jun 02 - 07:56 PM Langshire is (obviously, I'd have thought) a corruption of Lancashire in this case. The song was quite common under a number of names, often bonnet so blue (I haven't seen a jacket until now)-not to be confused with the Burns song, of course.. Usually the setting is localised to various towns in Lancashire or Yorkshire, and all the Scottish versions listed in the Roud Folk Song Index , where the song is assigned Roud number 819, refer to Yorkshire if they refer to a specific place at all. The hero is Scottish, a soldier stationed in the town; the heroine is English. The song has been found a few times in Ireland; either set in Yorkshire or not referring to any particular place. It was widely issued on broadsides, and several can be seen at Bodleian Library Broadside Ballads, pretty much equally divided between Yorkshire and Lancashire. |
Subject: RE: research to ballad - The Jacket of Blue From: masato sakurai Date: 21 Jun 02 - 08:13 PM THE JACKET SO BLUE in the DT.
THE BONNET OF BLUE in the DT.
Bonnet So Blue (Bodleian Library Broadside Ballads: Harding B 11 (392))
Bonnet so blue, and Jacket so blue (Sold, wholesale and retail, L. Deming, No. 62, Hanover Street, corner of Friend Street, Boston)
Info: Jacket So Blue, The (The Bonnet o' Blue) (at The Traditional Ballad Index) ~Masato Traditional Ballad Index entry: Jacket So Blue, The (The Bonnet o' Blue)DESCRIPTION: The girl sees a soldier marching past and falls in love. She meets him and offers to buy his discharge; he replies that he already has a girl at home. She asks for a portrait to console her; this at least is grantedAUTHOR: unknown EARLIEST DATE: 1806 KEYWORDS: love courting soldier clothes separation FOUND IN: US(MA,So) Ireland Britain(England,Scotland) Canada REFERENCES (6 citations): FSCatskills 43, "The Jacket So Blue" (1 text, 1 tune) Belden, p. 301, "The Wagoners" (1 text, fragmentary and localized to make the soldier a wagoner) Logan, pp. 101-106, "Bonnet o' Blue" (1 text) SHenry H644, p. 367, "The Bonnet sae Blue" (1 text, 1 tune) Huntington-Whalemen, pp. 275-277, "The Bonnet of Blue" (1 text plus a fragment, 1 tune) Ord, pp. 295-296, "The Bonnet o' Blue" (1 text, 1 tune) CROSS-REFERENCES: cf. "The Manchester Angel" (theme) File: FSC43 Go to the Ballad Search form The Ballad Index Copyright 2003 by Robert B. Waltz and David G. Engle.
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Subject: RE: research to ballad - The Jacket of Blue From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 21 Jun 02 - 08:39 PM Ah; the jacket versions are American or Canadian (one Irish example on record), and most seem to refer to sailors (as you might expect) rather than soldiers. Same story, though; I should have spotted that. |
Subject: RE: research to ballad - The Jacket of Blue From: GUEST,Yum Yum Date: 22 Jun 02 - 03:57 PM Thankyou for your replies (Malcolm and Masato) Malcolm I'm sorry, I don't see why you should seem to think it is 'obvious' that the ballad refers to Lancashire rather than Lanarkshire. I don't disagree with your assumption, but you have no weight behind your theory. I have spoken to a collector friend of mine and he 'opt's' for Lanarkshire as the connections show Charlie Stuart in verse 3. I have a couple of leads to follow up and hopefully by Monday after a trip to a book dealer I know I will have some firmer ground to base a stronger view on where it may be. This man has (so I have been informed) an original ballad sheet of A Jacket Blue. Masato, thanks for your posting, VERY helpful. yum yum |
Subject: RE: research to ballad - The Jacket of Blue From: GUEST Date: 22 Jun 02 - 04:08 PM Ym Yum, maybe you don't know Malcolm very well. He knows what he's talking about! |
Subject: RE: research to ballad - The Jacket of Blue From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 22 Jun 02 - 05:00 PM It's obvious to me because I live in Yorkshire and am frequently in Lancashire :-) and because Lancashire and Yorkshire are by far the most commonly-named locales in versions of this song (London gets the odd look-in). I didn't intend to appear to cast any slur upon you for not seeing what is, for me, the obvious conclusion; after all, you presumably had not seen other variants. Langshire is easily slurred from Lancashire; rather less so from Lanarkshire. There is also the point that, as I've said, no published Scottish version of the song appears to mention a specific locale other than Yorkshire. Nor does Lanarkshire appear to be mentioned in any other version that I am aware of; though that in itself proves nothing, I would not go so far as to say that my argument has so far been shown to be without weight; rather the contrary, though of course new information could always change that. Although the blue bonnet (the blue jacket was more usually associated with sailors) was earlier on a signifier of Jacobite sympathy, by this time it was pretty much a byword for Scots soldiers in general; I see no reference to Charles Stewart, direct or indirect, in the text posted (I take it to be that noted by Nathan D. Rose from Pat Keane at Knockgarra, Co. Galway, in 1988?), not that that would necessarily have anything to do with where the song is set. |
Subject: RE: research to ballad - The Jacket of Blue From: Dave the Gnome Date: 22 Jun 02 - 05:08 PM In the song "Lancashire Lads" (The Lancashire lads have gone away whatever shall we do etc etc) they do mention marching with the blues as well. Although they do say they are wearing scarlet. Reference to an earlier song? Just to cloud the issue further. Well, this is the folk (or folking) process;-) Cheers Dave the Gnome |
Subject: RE: research to ballad - The Jacket of Blue From: GUEST,yum yum Date: 22 Jun 02 - 06:01 PM Please forgive me, I do not say you are wrong! what I did state was, there was no weight behind your statement! Because someone makes a comment does not mean that it is correct! I only asked "Was it short for Lanarkshire?" I did not mean to offend anyone! The version I was sent, as is, the version posted above 'The Jacket of Blue' was posted to me by someone (?) I do not know who sent it to me. The ballad was printed but the post mark was from Kinvara, Co Galway. Maybe that lends to your theory re/ Galway. I have been singing this ballad for some years now, I first heard Jim McFarland, Dublin (via.Co Derry)sing it.Jim and Jimmy McBride (Buncrana, Co Donegal) have the version I sing in their book 'My Parents Reared Me Tendely'. In their book they also have a song 'The Bonnet So Blue', when you mix the two together - you almost have the ballad that was posted above The Jacket Of Blue. Maybe you are familure with The Bonnet So Blue. It also mentions YORKSHIRE and Johnny Stewart as opposed to Charlie Stuart. Please don't take offence because someone asks a question! yum yum |
Subject: RE: research to ballad - The Jacket of Blue From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 22 Jun 02 - 08:24 PM Good heavens, no offence of any kind taken (and none intended) , particularly when, as here, an innocent question is asked; I disagreed with your assertion that there "was no weight behind my statement" because I had already, as I thought, substantiated what I had said. What I did not do was give chapter and verse (it was rather late at night here, and I was wanting to be off to sleep) but Masato kindly provided links to relevant material; I should remember that there is no reason why people who do not know me should take my word for anything! Re. Lancashire Lads: generally, he wasn't marching with the Blues; he was turned up in (or, with) blue. "The Blues" are something else again; according to notes provided by Pete M in this discussion from 1998: "The Blues were the Royal Horse Guards". James Reeves (The Idiom of the People, 1958) identifies them as "the Foot Guards". I am not a military historian, so I have no idea which -if either- is correct. At any rate, we can be reasonably sure that neither song is relevant to this particular discussion. The Jacket of Blue text posted earlier, incidentally, can be seen, with attribution (though no tune), at Nathan D. Rose's Website |
Subject: RE: research to ballad - The Jacket of Blue From: tremodt Date: 23 Jun 02 - 02:41 PM I beliwve that ghe song was about a soldier in the american civil war |
Subject: RE: research to ballad - The Jacket of Blue From: GUEST,yum yum Date: 24 Jun 02 - 01:28 AM I have gone through Masato's links and have studied what you have posted and 'Yes' all seems to point to what you say is correct. I know that what may be obvious to some collectors, may not be as obvious to others. I wasn't trying to be awkward or appear (at least I hope not) rude when I questioned you. I have been collecting ballads for many a year ( I am starting to feel quite old now) and at times it is easier to ask if someone has researched the information one seeks to save time. I supose I have 'too many iron's in the fire' at present. Anyway, I thank you for you help (and Masato)I am compiling work for publication at present and this was something that slipped in unexpected. Many thanks once again. Jackie Boyce (yum yum) |
Subject: RE: Origins: The Jacket of Blue From: Taconicus Date: 22 Jan 11 - 12:07 PM To help the discussion about whether there was a Lancashire, Charles Stewart, etc. in the ballad, here's the text from another early version of Bonnet so Blue, also from the Bodleian Library. Bodleian Library Broadside Ballads: Harding B 11 (393). Bonnet so Blue I tried to copy the lyrics accurately, including the original punctuation and grammatical errors (e.g., "thoughts … runs"), but in case I made a mistake you can see the original at the link at top of this post. |
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