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Subject: The Sixth Sense: Any Experiences??? From: GUEST,Dewey Date: 24 Jun 02 - 05:58 AM Lately I noticed I am beginning to have the ability to dream entire compositions of music while I am sleeping. These tunes are notably PERFORMED entirely in my subconsious, most often while my mind is INACTIVE, and RESTFUL. I am not even thinking of making, creating or playing music during these un-explainably moments, yet (in the end of everything else) here is this un-explainable tune for my sub-conscious listening pleasure when I awake. It is almost as though GOD HIMSELF were playing for me and I am merely listening to what he is performing. Does anybody else out there have an experience similar to mine that they would care to share? Is this a sort of sixth sense? I've heard of people having similar experiences in math, science etc. Is there an infinite intelligence and/or GOD!!! that guides this ability. I am a Christian so I am not interested in using or developing such a perception areas such as near death, psychic, finding dead bodies. etc. But there is no doubt in my mind that there is a God-like intelligence beyond my own experiences that guides me at times to creative ends and intelligence that are not of my own making at all. I know I have harnessed this humblingly ability and connectiveness many times in my life and used it with great excitement as I discovered entirely new and interesting ideas. Would love to hear imput on this from other individuals more knowledgable than myself on this topic! Dewey |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Sixth Sense: Any Experiences??? From: greg stephens Date: 24 Jun 02 - 09:05 AM Have you one anything with these compositions? Do you like them, even? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Sixth Sense: Any Experiences??? From: GUEST Date: 24 Jun 02 - 09:11 AM Dewey, I don't think it's very unusual at all. I've done it a few times myself, although the results haven't been of any great merit. The most famous example is probably that of Paul McCartney 'dreaming' Yesterday. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Sixth Sense: Any Experiences??? From: katlaughing Date: 24 Jun 02 - 11:00 AM My brother does this with his classical compositions, complete symphonic scores. He hears them so completely that he writes them down in one draft, much like they showed Mozart doing in Amadeus. We've got two tapes of them and good reviews from past concerts. He calls it "tuning in" to the Cosmic. He wrote an article about it which was published in the American Theosophist. If I can find it, I'll post it here. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Sixth Sense: Any Experiences??? From: MMario Date: 24 Jun 02 - 11:08 AM I think many people have had this experience or something similair. I am verycurious though - what the HECK does being Christian have to do with not wanting to be using or developing such a perception areas such as near death, psychic, finding dead bodies. etc. I'm trying to figure out if there is something my priests haven't told me for close to half a century. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Sixth Sense: Any Experiences??? From: Mrrzy Date: 24 Jun 02 - 11:49 AM It's not anything supernatural, it's just You. There is a term for when you relax and your unused brain does something for you while You aren't paying attention with the normally-used part of your brain, but I can't remember what it is now. Not decentrating, but something like that. I occasionally have dreams that then come true the next day, but always about something trivial, like dreaming that my Style section in the Sunday paper is unreadable and Lo, next morning, a torn Style section inside my Sunday paper. Never about anything that is important, what a waste of intuition! |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Sixth Sense: Any Experiences??? From: CarolC Date: 24 Jun 02 - 12:04 PM Absolutely, Dewey. I sometimes compose symphonies in my sleep. I promptly forget them upon awakening, but there is usually a lingering feeling of something special for a while after I wake up. Funny thing is that I can't even hear music in my head when I'm awake. But sleeping seems to be a different story. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Sixth Sense: Any Experiences??? From: Liz the Squeak Date: 24 Jun 02 - 01:56 PM Be careful that it isn't just your subconcious remembering a tune you heard years ago... there was a very funny film which revolved around this, with Leslie Phillips in it (circa 1950-60s) but the title escapes me. Basically, he writes out a tune in one go, that becomes a stupendous hit. He's about to reel in loads of dosh when he realises that he learned it as a child from his piano teacher. Sorry to burst the bubble, but who knows, maybe yours are original.... Mozarts' certainly were (except the bits he stole from old Austrian folk tunes). LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Sixth Sense: Any Experiences??? From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 24 Jun 02 - 01:58 PM I have never found a dead body, but I found a ded hedgehog once.john |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Sixth Sense: Any Experiences??? From: Liz the Squeak Date: 24 Jun 02 - 02:31 PM I knew you were going to say that.... LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Sixth Sense: Any Experiences??? From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 24 Jun 02 - 02:55 PM You must have sixth sense Liz. :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Sixth Sense: Any Experiences??? From: Murray MacLeod Date: 24 Jun 02 - 06:12 PM I had a strange experience an hour ago, while on Mudcat. I thought I saw a message from little john cameron titled RIP Donny Osmond in which he claimed that Donny Osmond had been found dead in a Louisiana bordello. But, next time I looked, the thread had disappeared. Spooky, or what? Murray |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Sixth Sense: Any Experiences??? From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 24 Jun 02 - 06:22 PM That's weird Murray, exactly the same thing happened to me , maybe Donny came back to life! |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Sixth Sense: Any Experiences??? From: Murray MacLeod Date: 24 Jun 02 - 06:31 PM I think we may both have similar psychic powers, John. Very scary. Murray |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Sixth Sense: Any Experiences??? From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 24 Jun 02 - 06:42 PM Murray, I think we should try to combine our psychic abilities in a joint effort to predict the winner of The St Leger! |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Sixth Sense: Any Experiences??? From: Murray MacLeod Date: 24 Jun 02 - 06:46 PM Well, my sixth sense wasn't working too well during Derby Week, but maybe it's become re-acclimatised by now. Murray |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Sixth Sense: Any Experiences??? From: Mark Cohen Date: 24 Jun 02 - 11:09 PM Dewey, I'd agree with Mrrzy that the music probably came from your own mind. Our minds are much richer and more powerful than we imagine. I'm not a Christian, but I do believe many Christian saints and other good people had visions (which can be auditory as well as visual), and which arose from their relaxed and receptive minds. Now, as to whether the source of these visions, or your music, was "really" or "ultimately" God, or "really" just your own mind...well, in my system of belief, that's not a very meaningful distinction. To others, I realize, it's a vital one. To each his or her own. But as to your feeling that there is a "God-like intelligence beyond my own experiences that guides me at times to creative ends" -- I have no doubt whatsoever that this is true. And I hope you have a way of preserving that music! Aloha, Mark |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Sixth Sense: Any Experiences??? From: Grab Date: 25 Jun 02 - 10:44 AM Being relaxed just kind of brings things to mind. It's the same thing as, say, if you just can't remember the next line of a song however much you try, and then you remember it that evening in the bath. Everyone's mind does that - neurologists have loads of different theories about memory and consciousness which basically all come down to "the brain's really bloody weird, and we're just trying to work out how weird". Graham. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Sixth Sense: Any Experiences??? From: Leeder Date: 25 Jun 02 - 01:10 PM Most of you will have heard of the song "Last Night I Had the Strangest Dream", by Ed McCurdy. Ed told me one time that the song just sprang into his head in its entirety. He didn't consider himself the "author" of the song -- it was just "out there" somewhere and he tapped into it. Is that what you had in mind? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Sixth Sense: Any Experiences??? From: GUEST,Dewey Date: 26 Jun 02 - 12:14 AM Exactly Leeder. It's almost like the song is someone elses and you are merely the listener tapped into it. It's as though something other than ME is doing this. Many times a don't have my mind on music at all, but there is a radio playing in me head. Sometimes I'll slow down my thought processes, and just listen to what is going on. The music is playing all the time whether I like it on not, much like a noisy neighbor next door. You are not really inviting the experience at all but it is there playing 24/7 whenever you want to listen or not listen to what "IT" is doing. It is is the "it' here that I am speaking of, not merely the slow and gradual development of ideas. Developing ideas is one things, having comeplted entire plans handed over, is the something else I am speaking of. Sometimes I get musicals ideas TOO. But when I am listening to complete songs that are not authored to me at all, I find this kind of spooky. Sometimes, I agree tunes can come into one's head that are NOT original. I have had this experience many times with songwriters too. ( I also do this on ocassion myself) They sing their song only to find out later that sub-consciously it is someone elses. The completeness of the experience it what I am interested in. And its sounds as though other do this too. I am just wondering where and how it comes to be! Dewey
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Subject: RE: BS: The Sixth Sense: Any Experiences??? From: GUEST,Dewey Date: 26 Jun 02 - 12:51 AM By the Way, When I referred to the word "God" I meant a creative godlike intelligence, not that White Bearded God that appeared to Moses. I am not much into B.S. side of religion. But I am in total awe of the creative life of this planet, molecular or otherwise, that seems to radiate a mind greater than anyor all of us. This is the GOd I was referring to. Not the superstitious mdoel that can or cannot be proved. I choose to believe there isaGod" in control of such wonderous creation, as my own mind is but too weak to ever stumble onto all the greatness I see, as well as that which I cannot see, which was the reason for this thread. I am a bit frightened of this other world. It is the unknown and I do not what to mess around with that which I can't understand. I heard of people messing with spirituality and ended up with split personalities, demon posession (yes I know I will be laughed at for mentioning this one since many don't believe in the devil- I do!) Out of Body Experiences Witch Craft Etc. all spring for the pyschic. Saul consulted a witch to talkwith the dead and was cursed by God for it and developed a "tormenting spirit" as a result." Its just my personal religious belief. I do have some Catholic friends that believe otherwise and I will not challenge them. They are nice and decent people too, with good intentions and different beliefs than I have. Dewey |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Sixth Sense: Any Experiences??? From: Benjamin Date: 26 Jun 02 - 01:26 AM I can still remember the hoe down I once dreamed. Everybody singing together with complete coriography (something like square dancing I believe). I've never bothered to write the musical though. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Sixth Sense: Any Experiences??? From: GUEST,Dewey Date: 26 Jun 02 - 01:52 AM Exactly my experience too Benjamin. Sometimes I even dream lyrics to the tunes,and people singing them (although I don't remember anything now). I am told one has to write down their dreams within the waking moments or they are lost! I don't dream symphonies, I am not quite that good or talented! Hoe downs however would probably be a definite possibility! Dewey |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Sixth Sense: Any Experiences??? From: Kaleea Date: 26 Jun 02 - 02:03 AM Actually, being a "Christian" has a great deal to do with using the ability to "tune into God" to accomplish a variety of things. For example, the old & new testaments (which most "Christians" refer to as the only scripture out there which is allowed & accepted as truth!) are filled with parables & examples of the "prophets" prophesying about such things as famines, floods, plagues & other such things our grest, "Dewey" defines as not properly "Christian" The man known as Jesus of Nazareth even "prophesied" his own death, down to the detail of who would betray him. There even is a book called "revelations"--believed to be divine revelations (aka "prophecy"--thus the term "prophet") from God to St. John (the Divine). There was a 12th century nun who was sactioned by the church as being a composer--this was a first for women!! She was so popular, that they had no choice. She was even responsible for many women from royal & wealthy families becoming nuns. Hildegard von Bingen said that the music was given to her by Almighty God Himself. She also was quite well known for prophecies & visions, and many powerful people of the time came to her for a consultation which would now be called a "reading" by those who practice this professionally or even, shall we say, quietly. She documented her visions & wrote them down as books and in musical form, and also wrote poetry which was put into book form, despite the fact that it was uncommon for women to be educated enough to do much more than a little reading & writing (and then, only the wealthy)--they had men who were hired scholars to do such things, many of them monks or other men of the church. I do not recall many of men of the time being well known for these such things. Many of the great composers whose music we commonly hear performed today were given to the composer while they were in a "dreamlike state," or in "dreams," sometimes they would say that the music came to them as if it were delivered whole and complete, and they got up & set about writing the music down. Handel's Messiah is an example of what many believe to be "Divine Revelation." He was quoted as saying, "whether in my body or out of my body as I wrote it, I know not." It was composed in a "couple" of weeks, as told by some scholars, and believed by records of the time to have been composed nonstop between August 22-September 14, 1741, while Handel remained isolated, eating & sleeping little, & writing out music scores until the work was completed. Things that make you go . . . hmmmmmmmmmmm . . . |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Sixth Sense: Any Experiences??? From: GUEST,Dewey Date: 26 Jun 02 - 03:04 AM Kaleea I think you misunderstood me. I was talking about contacting the dead. (clearly forbidden in the bible) witchcraft (clearly forbidden in the Bible) divination (clearly forbidden in the Bible) Not Prophecies and Dreams of Prophets. I too am aware of the the interesting interesting examples you cite. Not to mention a few others: the Apostle John's Book of Revelation, Joseph's Phophetic Dreams out of Egypt. etc.
Jesus didn't play with ojui boards however, contact that dead, engage in witch craft, hold sayonces
Dreaming Hymns can't be all that bad. Most psychics consult the dead which is VERY WRONG!!!!
Dewey
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Subject: RE: BS: The Sixth Sense: Any Experiences??? From: Amos Date: 26 Jun 02 - 03:46 AM Guess that depends on what you mean by dead, Dewey. Creation is not an act of analysis, step-by-stepcogitation. It may draw on any kind of data you like; but in the act itself it is purely the magic of the spirit. It is an "ability", not a mechanism. You can label it whatever you want; it will never be a mechanical process. So it doesn't strike me as at all odd for it to occur whole cloth, instantaneously and in complete detail, as contrasted with step-wise analytical processes. The shazaam! characteristic of creation is universal -- meaning everyone has the ability to one or another degree, but it is much more highly suppressed in some than in others. This suppression is one of the main purposes of grade school, as I recall! A
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Subject: RE: BS: The Sixth Sense: Any Experiences??? From: Wolfgang Date: 26 Jun 02 - 05:48 AM For a much more down to earth analysis of creative acts showing that creation has more to do with analysis and hard work than some like to think and showing that many enjoyable to read stories about creative acts are mythtory see R. Weisberg, Creativity: Genius and other myths (1986) Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Sixth Sense: Any Experiences??? From: MMario Date: 26 Jun 02 - 09:06 AM and according to biblical scholars the word translated as "witch" in the King James version actually means something along the lines of "one who poisons with herbs" an act which is as much against most neo-pagan beliefs as it would be the christian |