Tune Req: Bach Bouree arrangement by jethro Tull

Subject: Bach Bouree arrangement by jethro Tull
From:
Date: 27 Jun 02 - 12:15 PM

Does anyone remember the somewhat jazzy arrangement on a Bach Bourree" that jethro tull recorded in the late 60's? I've seen it printed in the jethro tull books but this is the only song in the book I'm interested in, so I I'd rather not shell out 20$ for one arrangement. Does anyone know where I could find it?

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bach Bouree arrangement by jethro Tull
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 27 Jun 02 - 12:26 PM

Ummm.... I have the book in question, but no scanner...

I don't recall that I've seen the sheet music online anywhere... drop me a line and I'll see if I can't dig up a chummer with a scanner...

BTW, Tull recorded "Bouree" for the album "Stand Up" (1969)... The 2nd flute part you hear in that version is played by Martin Barre... subsequent remixes of the song (For the "Best Of" albums for instance) removed that 2nd flute track, and a big chunk of the heart of the song...

It's been too long since I jammed to Stand Up... Thanks for the reminder!

;-)

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bach Bouree arrangement by jethro Tull
From: IvanB
Date: 27 Jun 02 - 01:10 PM

Isn't it the Bouree in Em, as found here?

Click here

I may be wrong, I don't remember it all that well, but this seemed the closest to my memory of several that turned up in a Google search.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bach Bouree arrangement by jethro Tull
From: Mooh
Date: 27 Jun 02 - 03:56 PM

My classically trained mind and rigidity was knocked on its ass by the walking bass line in the Jethro Tull version. It was likely responsible for my brief interest in flute and my 30 year interest in electric bass. I still think it's a classic in several music forms. I have (and play) the typical classical guitar arrangement, but would someday like to apply myself to a Tullish version. Tres cool.

Peace. Mooh.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bach Bouree arrangement by jethro Tull
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 27 Jun 02 - 03:58 PM

Just about everything about Tull is "tres cool"

;-)

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bach Bouree arrangement by jethro Tull
From: IvanB
Date: 27 Jun 02 - 05:14 PM

Well, rereading the first post, I see that, although I'm right about which bouree it is (I've since checked it on my copy), I still didn't answer the request, since it's the arrangement that was requested rather than the tune itself.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bach Bouree arrangement by jethro Tull
From: Sorcha
Date: 27 Jun 02 - 05:36 PM

Clinton, I have a scanner. If you could xerox and snail mail me the stuff, I could scan it and send e mail.......if you want my addy, send PM.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bach Bouree arrangement by jethro Tull
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 27 Jun 02 - 05:53 PM

Sorcher!

LOL!! That's kinda a looooong way to go... I have a chum across town who's got a scanner... but if ya want in, lemme know, and I'll make sure you get a copy as well...

;-)

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bach Bouree arrangement by jethro Tull
From: Sorcha
Date: 27 Jun 02 - 07:41 PM

No, I don't need it. I was just offering. It's OK, thanks. (I have done farther than that.........snail from UK, scan and post/e mail......grin)

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bach Bouree arrangement by jethro Tull
From: michaelr
Date: 27 Jun 02 - 07:51 PM

IMO, "Stand Up" and its follow-up "Benefit" are Tull's best work. They never reached those heights again, with the possible exception of "Thick as a Brick".

BTW, check out Ian Anderson's recent solo album, "The Secret Language of Birds". It's excellent.

Cheers,
Michael

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bach Bouree arrangement by jethro Tull
From: GUEST,Adolfo
Date: 28 Jun 02 - 03:10 AM

Greetings. That song in 'Stand Up', 'We used to Know'. Doesn't 'Hotel California' sound much like it?

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bach Bouree arrangement by jethro Tull
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 28 Jun 02 - 04:47 AM

If I had to pick my fav. Tull CD, I think it'd either be Crest Of A Knave (Best Heavey Metal/Hard Rock Album, 1989)

Or Catfish Rishing...

Truth be told there's only one Tull CD that I can't get into at all... Roots To Branches... Mind, "Another Harrys Bar" is a cool piece of song...

Adolfo...

Ya know... I had to go and put it on and have a real gander at it, but you very well may have something there...

Neat...

Anybody think Trebor is ever gonna come back?

;-)

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bach Bouree arrangement by jethro Tull
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Jun 02 - 04:57 AM

'Aqualung' is in the car at the moment but 'Stand Up' is the one I play most. Later Tull became more mainstream, or did mainstream meet them ? They made me aware that it's not just the melody and words that make a great track but the blending of the whole (does anyone understand that ?). After I learned that all music became a joy, whatever style (apart from most opera).
Cheers Gary

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bach Bouree arrangement by jethro Tull
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 28 Jun 02 - 01:14 PM

"or did mainstream meet them"

I think that's closer to the truth

;-)

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bach Bouree arrangement by jethro Tull
From: GUEST,alinact
Date: 28 Jun 02 - 05:39 PM

Something to go on with.

Click here

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bach Bouree arrangement by jethro Tull
From: trebor
Date: 28 Jun 02 - 06:31 PM

.......Clinton Hammond, thanks for bach changes! I haven't tried them out yet but I'm looking forward to it. This bouree has been haunting me for many years and now, finally it seems, we'll be aquainted. Here's to yah!

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bach Bouree arrangement by jethro Tull
From: Socorro
Date: 28 Jun 02 - 06:32 PM

To Clinton: Trebor may be having computer problems, or else he's working long hours plus having computer problems. He had never seen Mudcat before that post, so I'll phone him to tell him he's got some good responses!

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bach Bouree arrangement by jethro Tull
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 29 Jun 02 - 01:20 AM

Keep in touch Trebor

I'll get ya sussed!

;-)

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bach Bouree arrangement by jethro Tull
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 29 Jun 02 - 01:34 AM

Jeffrey Goes to Leicester Square makes a cool little acoustic tune. I still like the staggered time signature of A New Day Yesterday, and agree with michaelr that Stand Up and Benefit marked the apex of Tull. Although I do have a strange affection for the Heavy Horses LP...

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bach Bouree arrangement by jethro Tull
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 29 Jun 02 - 01:56 AM

"Stand Up and Benefit marked the apex of Tull"

So the last 30+ years have been what then? Denouement?

You'll forgive me if I have to say that the weight of evidence is against ya!

LOL!!!

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bach Bouree arrangement by jethro Tull
From: Peg
Date: 29 Jun 02 - 10:08 AM

My own fave albums are Songs From the Wood, Heavy Horses and Stormwatch. But a lot of great classic tunes come from Stand Up and Benefit as well. I recently found a "collector's item" edition of Thick as a Brick (complete with full newspaper inside!) at the Salvation Army for a dollar...

I do not really think the albums of recent years have yielded any memorable songs; after Crest of a Knave most of it is quite forgettable, and really I think the last *great* album was The Broadsword and the Beast, just for its sheer number of really good songs (COAK only has one or two which are good I think)...except for the most recent solo album mentioned. I also found the concerts associated with albums after COAK to be not very good, mainly because of the focus on performing these crappy new songs. But in recent years there have been some interesting live performances, most notably the one which included one half of the show with acoustic and classical/orchestral arrangements! Which yielded an opportunity to hear songs rarely performed fully live (as opposed to with electronic wizardy), like Dun Ringtill, or Heavy Horses.

The 20 Years compilation is much more worth having than the 25 Years one, IMHO.

re: the song Hotel California, the band does reference this rather blatant theft of chord progression by the Eagles when they perform the song in concert these days...

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bach Bouree arrangement by jethro Tull
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 29 Jun 02 - 12:41 PM

Best things about the 25 Year Compilation...

The cigar box it comes in... the book that comes with it... and the chance to finally own a copy of "To Be Sad Is A Mad Way To Be"...

;-)

How good is "Broadsword And The Beast"?? One only need look at the number, and the quality of the tracks that were originally unreleased from that recording session...

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bach Bouree arrangement by jethro Tull
From: GUEST,LEJ
Date: 30 Jun 02 - 02:22 AM

To each his own, Clinton. I found that Aqualung, although it was a good album, marked the start of a trend by Tull toward the concept LP...long songs that tended to become repetitious, connected overblown themes, melody sacrificed for the sake of continuity. I was never a fan of the concept-LP form, and Thick as a Brick I thought was pretty dull. I think Tull changed from an interesting earlier, more jazz-experimental band, as Ian Anderson gained more and more control. I found most of the faux-rennaissance stuff that ensued fairly lame. Sue me.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bach Bouree arrangement by jethro Tull
From: IanN
Date: 30 Jun 02 - 03:45 AM

In response to Adolpho's (guest) question above about We used to know sounding like Hotel California.

A few years ago Tull played the Manchester Apollo & Ian Anderson strongly hinted that The Eagels nicked Hotel Calif. from We Used To Know after Supporting Tull on tour! I hadn't noticed the similarity before so when I got home I played both tracks and the similarity is uncanny.

Interesting that one of the biggest bands in the world (?) most recognisable hit is a rip-off! Try telling that to Eagles fans though - I did and I got "Jethro who?"!!!!!

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bach Bouree arrangement by jethro Tull
From: Barbara Shaw
Date: 30 Jun 02 - 08:37 AM

Thanks, IvanB for the notation link.

Does anyone know if this is the same bouree that Bill Henry of Northern Lights band does on guitar? It's been a long time since I heard him do it, and the clip on CDNOW.com is too short to tell. How lucky that I finally discovered Bach in my old age.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bach Bouree arrangement by jethro Tull
From: Peg
Date: 30 Jun 02 - 09:24 AM

"How good is "Broadsword And The Beast"?? One only need look at the number, and the quality of the tracks that were originally unreleased from that recording session..."

Not sure if you are saying here, that the quality of those tracks is good, or bad. Most serious Tull fans count this as one of their favorites, and their last album of substance, and certainly the last of the concept albums in terms of having at least two discernable themes around which the songs were written. Those unreleased tracks are testament to a very fruitful and creative period of song-writing.

Also worth noting that it is the last album to yield a top forty hit ("Fallen on Hard Times")--not that that is any signal of quality. The popularity of the song "Aqualung" has always semeed overrated to me, although it is as brilliant in its way as many others; just not what I would call essential or even representative. The progressive and art rock years seem most significant to me, and the earlier blues roots the most important formatively speaking, but I know others might disagree.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bach Bouree arrangement by jethro Tull
From: IvanB
Date: 30 Jun 02 - 12:30 PM

Barbara Shaw, you're welcome for the link. Actually the clip on CDNOW.com starts about the second or third measure of the second staff on page two of the link I gave and goes to the end of page 3. I assume then he segues into Borealis Blues. But the Bourree is definitely that in Em.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bach Bouree arrangement by jethro Tull
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 30 Jun 02 - 02:20 PM

"Those unreleased tracks are testament to a very fruitful and creative period of song-writing. "

Exactly my point Peg! :-) The number and quality of the "Broadsword Session" tracks on 20 Years, to me was almost the most rewarding thing of that collection...

Sorry for being vague...

Broadsword also has one of the single COOLEST ever album covers...

(This kind of thread is the reason why I dearly wish that cupofwonder.com hosted a message board)

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bach Bouree arrangement by jethro Tull
From: Peg
Date: 30 Jun 02 - 04:25 PM

I used to have the poster from the Broadsword album! Very cool. I asked the guy in the record store for it and he gave it to me, way back when. Then some stupid landlord or other threw it away along with a couple of valuable sketches! I still have the t-shirt too although it is pretty worn out.

There are two good Jethro Tull discussion lists, and in fact Jan (the one who created cupofwonder) told me about them!

http://www.coolclub.com/forums/

http://www.topica.com/lists/TalkTull/

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bach Bouree arrangement by jethro Tull
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 30 Jun 02 - 10:50 PM

Unfortunate that (was it "A New Day"?) the email list folded... No.. it was The St. Cleve Chron.... used to be a cool email list...

I'll one day have to take pics of the coat that a good friend of mine From High School painted for me... I sooo wish that coat still fit...

;-)