ar Eirinn ni neosfainn ce hi - Trans

Subject: ar Éirinn ní neosfainn cé hí - Trans
From: Townes
Date: 01 Jul 02 - 06:54 PM

I recently read the past threads re the subject 'For Ireland I'll Not tell Her Name'.A lovely tune and song that I am learning to perform.. Can anny catter asist me in the phonetic pronunciation of the last line 'ar Éirinn ní neosfainn cé hí'

Regards Townes

Subject: RE: ar Éirinn ní neosfainn cé hí - Trans
From: The Pooka
Date: 01 Jul 02 - 08:13 PM

OK, I'm gonna put this out here for our many Irish-speakers (me decidely not among 'em) to correct. From hearing recordings of it only, by ear & not by actual knowledge, I would phonetically spell it "Ar Air-in nee no-shin kay hee." Now, ye gaeltacht 'catters, what is it really?

Subject: RE: ar Éirinn ní neosfainn cé hí - Trans
From: The Pooka
Date: 01 Jul 02 - 11:21 PM

Here's a thread about the song, that *may* help -
Click here

(Philipa??)

Subject: RE: ar Éirinn ní neosfainn cé hí - Trans
From: Townes
Date: 01 Jul 02 - 11:42 PM

Thank you The Pooka. You would not belive it an hour after I posted this request I discovered an MP# of De Dannan doing a version and you efforts are pretty close to the mark I think Regards Townes

Subject: RE: ar Éirinn ní neosfainn cé hí - Trans
From: The Pooka
Date: 02 Jul 02 - 12:06 AM

Great, Townes. You're most welcome. It's also on "The Makem and Clancy Concert", Shanachie 52003; and "The Makem and Clancy Collection", BLB 1009; sung in Irish by Liam Clancy. Slainte.

Subject: RE: ar Éirinn ní neosfainn cé hí - Trans
From: Declan
Date: 02 Jul 02 - 05:18 AM

Pretty close there Pooka. The neosfainn is nearer (I think) to no sing (appropriately) than no shing. I'm finding it difficult to come up with a goo phonetic for it. The best I can do is Knows hing but the first syllable rhymes with close (as in nearby).

Subject: RE: ar Éirinn ní neosfainn cé hí - Trans
From: Fiolar
Date: 02 Jul 02 - 09:02 AM

Declan has it almost spot on.

Subject: RE: ar Éirinn ní neosfainn cé hí - Trans
From: The Pooka
Date: 02 Jul 02 - 02:22 PM

Noce hing, then, maybe? Well, thanks, Irishspeakers. Knew you'd come through.

Subject: RE: ar Éirinn ní neosfainn cé hí - Trans
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Jul 02 - 04:14 PM

nôs hĭny, if we all remember our gradeschool shorts and longs!

Subject: RE: ar Éirinn ní neosfainn cé hí - Trans
From: MMario
Date: 02 Jul 02 - 04:16 PM

say what? I never had anything like your example.

Subject: RE: ar Éirinn ní neosfainn cé hí - Trans
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Jul 02 - 04:16 PM

Dang thing converted the long dash over the o to a circumflex. Blah. Anyway, the stress is on the first syllable.

Subject: RE: ar Éirinn ní neosfainn cé hí - Trans
From: beachcomber
Date: 02 Jul 02 - 04:48 PM

My tuppence worth (What it's worth)

'S ar air-ann nee no-s hing kay hee !

Try it !

beach