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Tune Req: Lilies of France + Banks of Ireland

sian, west wales 02 Jul 02 - 04:26 PM
Malcolm Douglas 02 Jul 02 - 07:39 PM
sian, west wales 03 Jul 02 - 04:09 AM
Declan 03 Jul 02 - 06:09 AM
sian, west wales 03 Jul 02 - 06:17 AM
Declan 03 Jul 02 - 06:36 AM
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Subject: Lilies of France & Banks of Ireland
From: sian, west wales
Date: 02 Jul 02 - 04:26 PM

A friend who's researching a book has asked if I can get her any info. on a tune called 'Lilies of France'. She's found it in a 1768 Welsh manuscript where it's called 'lilis frans'. I've found it mentioned once in the DigiTrad, but only a reference to 'Air: Lilies of France'. I've also found reference to it in some archive papers which mentions "a new song to the tune Lilies of France", but no more than that. So, can anyone help?

She's also looking for information about a ballad tune called 'The Banks of Ireland'. In her words, "It was very popular in Wales from the 17th century on, usually under its Welsh name 'Bryniau Iwerddon' but I'm almost certain that it wasn't born in Wales. I'd love more information." I've found a bit more on that one, but if anyone has anything on this too ... it would be much appreciated!

In eager anticipation, sian


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Lilies of France & Banks of Ireland
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 02 Jul 02 - 07:39 PM

The tune of Lillies of France was published in Aird's Airs and Melodies vol 3, (Scotland, c.1780); it can be seen at Richard Robinson's Tunebook:

the Lillies of France

A song text taken from Songs Naval and Military, published by James Rivington, New York, 1779, can be seen at the website of 4th Company, Brigade of Foot Guards in America:

Lillies of France

Bodleian Library Broadsides has a later text set to the tune:

The sequel to the Lillies of France Firth b.22(f. 60); printer and date unknown.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Lilies of France & Banks of Ireland
From: sian, west wales
Date: 03 Jul 02 - 04:09 AM

Thanks so much for that, Malcolm. That's a huge help! Particularly the staff notation. It's interesting that Aird's A&M is c. 1780, my friend's is 1768, and one source I found looks to be c. 1765 - and that one is a 'new' song, so obviously the tune had pretty much settled into the common domain by then.

I'll be seeing my friend this weekend and find out a bit more about how this cropped up in her research. I know it's connected with this history of Welsh folk music which she's writing for the University Press.

Again, thanks. If anyone has anything to add, either about Lillies or Banks of Ireland, I'm all ears! I swear that Mudcat is like a bread machine, you throw in some bits and bobs before going to bed and wake up next morning to find something tasty ... !

sian


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Lilies of France & Banks of Ireland
From: Declan
Date: 03 Jul 02 - 06:09 AM

There's a Reel called the Bank of Ireland. I always thought this is named after a building in Dublin, Headquarters of a financial institution, but maybe not.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Lilies of France & Banks of Ireland
From: sian, west wales
Date: 03 Jul 02 - 06:17 AM

Thanks, Declan. I think I've found the tune, BankS of Ireland here and more info here (Blue-clickies make me nervous...)

Is that the one you know?

sian


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Lilies of France & Banks of Ireland
From: Declan
Date: 03 Jul 02 - 06:36 AM

That's the one, and I know the Barry Dransfield tune as well (to listen to). I think Gary has taken a little liberty here 'cause I think the Dransfield tune is called Blakey's and was named after his cat.

Most of the people I know who play this tune call it "the Bank (singular) of Ireland". Funny how names can change like that.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Lilies of France & Banks of Ireland
From: Declan
Date: 04 Jul 02 - 05:04 AM

Apologies for some misinformation given above. The name of the Barry Dransfield tune in the above link is Blakely's and it was named for Gary Blakely who plays it in the linked file.

There is another tune by Barry Dransfield called Matey's which was named after his cat. The two are played together in a set appropriately called "The Cat & the Fiddler" on BDs "Wings of the Spynx" album.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Lilies of France & Banks of Ireland
From: sian, west wales
Date: 04 Jul 02 - 05:28 AM

Thanks for the clarification, Declan.

sian


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Lilies of France + Banks of Ireland
From: GUEST,Sheet music
Date: 29 Apr 16 - 12:20 AM

Does anyone know where I can find the sheet music for this song?


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