The 12th of July

Subject: RE: The 12th of July
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 12 Jul 20 - 07:31 PM

And today, when I open my laptop, up comes a message on the screensaver page to say it's July 12th, Battle of the Boyne. Why? it doesn't give me similar messages when it's the anniversary of Culloden, Prestonpans, Jutland, Bosworth, Agincourt, Hastings, etc?

Subject: RE: The 12th of July
From: Felipa
Date: 12 Jul 20 - 06:15 PM

There are a lot of interesting lyrics on this thread (saving it from the BS section)

A few months ago, the Orange Order cancelled this year's parades because of the health crisis. But now that restrictions are eased and gatherings of up to 30 people are allowed, individual bands are planning to march separately in various areas. The idea is that people should stay in their own gardens or by their own front doors and let the bands come to them. In some areas there are competitions for the best house front and garden decorations and displays, a way to keep up the morale and encourage people to stay home.

Bonfires are still a bone of contention. And many people in the Loyalist community are feeling rebellious due to the controversy over the handling of the recent funeral of an ex-IRA man Bobby Story (too complex to go into details here, but complaints have come from the moderate Nationalist SDLP and the Alliance party, not just from harder line Unionists and Loyalists).

Subject: RE: The 12th of July
From: keberoxu
Date: 12 Jul 20 - 01:33 PM

. . . and the Mudcat
isn't what it used to be, either. Good heavens.

Subject: RE: The 12th of July
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 12 Jul 20 - 12:00 PM

Aye well, I have heard the Dubliners sing The Ould Orange Flute, so seems silly to worry about any of this outdated mumbo jumbo.

Subject: RE: The 12th of July
From: Mrrzy
Date: 12 Jul 20 - 11:51 AM

Now we didn't care too much for king Billy and we *still* don't care too muxh for king Billy, but just to prove we're not prejudiced I'm going to sing an Orange song...

Subject: RE: The 12th of July
From: GUEST,Derryadd Sam
Date: 30 Jul 02 - 01:35 PM

God blassis McKittery how the hell are we supposed to larn all of that, ah hav to taak it one varse at a time. Derradd Sam.

Subject: RE: The 12th of July
From: GUEST,Isaac McKittery
Date: 30 Jul 02 - 11:49 AM

A wee song that was written by Brother Percy French of Tullinahaw LOL.

Ah the boys are in the camp, sweet Drumcree
Be it dry or be it damp, sweet Drumcree
Drinkin' bucky, smokin' blow
Ike McKittery and co
They've got nowhere else to go
But sweet Drumcree

Houl' yer whisht! Sweet Drumcree
Let's get pished! Sweet Drumcree
And hape our curses on the oul' P.C.
For it's clear we'll never stray
Up the oul' Garvaghy Way
So it's here we're doomed to stay
Sweet Drumcree

There's oul' Sam from Derryadd, Sweet Drumcree
And he'd drive ye bliddy mad, Sweet Drumcree
I was cooortin' some wee Oz
Till yer man shoved in his schnozz
An' now she's a lost cause
Sweet Drumcree

Houl' yer whisht! Sweet Drumcree
Let's get pished! Sweet Drumcree
And hape our curses on the oul' P.C.
For it's clear we'll never stray
Up the oul' Garvaghy Way
So it's here we're doomed to stay
Sweet Drumcree

There's dei'l a 'hing till do, Sweet Drumcree
'Cept drink away our broo, Sweet Drumcree
And get stoned on hash and grass
That they smuggle through Ardglass
How I miss thon Ozzie lass
Sweet Drumcree

Houl' yer whisht! Sweet Drumcree
Let's get pished! Sweet Drumcree
And hape our curses on the oul' P.C.
For it's clear we'll never stray
Up the oul' Garvaghy Way
So it's here we're doomed to stay
Sweet Drumcree

Oh I miss her day and night, Sweet Drumcree
I had her in my sights, Sweet Drumcree
My oul' heart she stud till win
But someone torned her agin
And I'd do thon hallion in
Sweet Drumcree

Houl' yer whisht! Sweet Drumcree
Let's get pished! Sweet Drumcree
And hape our curses on the oul' P.C.
For it's clear we'll never stray
Up the oul' Garvaghy Way
So it's here we're doomed to stay
Sweet Drumcree

True love will fin' a way, Sweet Drumcree
That's what the poets say, Sweet Drumcree
If I giv' thon blade a houl'
Ye wud quare soon hear her gowl
"When they made you they broke the moul'"
Sweet Drumcree

Houl' yer whisht! Sweet Drumcree
Let's get pished! Sweet Drumcree
And hape our curses on the oul' P.C.
For it's clear we'll never stray
Up the oul' Garvaghy Way
So it's here we're doomed to stay
Sweet Drumcree

Subject: RE: The 12th of July
From: GUEST,Big Hallion
Date: 30 Jul 02 - 09:20 AM

Shidn't thin song about the Bann go "Shall we gather at the river, that flows by the home of the Prod"?

Subject: RE: The 12th of July
From: GUEST,Isaac McKittery
Date: 30 Jul 02 - 04:16 AM

Shall we ga'er at the river?
The beautiful, the beautiful river?
Shall we ga'er at the river?
That goes by the name of the Bann

There's pecks an' eels an' roaches an' there's brime, boys
We'll have a blody good oul' time, boys
Wi' a big tench on the en' o' yer oul' line, boys
And soon he'll be sizzlin' in the pan

Oul' Dan McCann lived on its banks, boys
For a basin he would never gi' ye thanks, boys
Bann water meant the bugger never stank, boys
H'ated in an oul' fryin' pan

Gi' over yer oul' singin' 'bout the Jeerdun
There's a river in the country I was reared in
Where the dollaghan's a fish that's most revered an'
The king of the oul' River Bann

The Bannfoot and The Mill Quay and the Reckie
I caught myself a thirty-five pound peck, he
Said you ingnorant hallion, put me back, he
Terrorised the whole River Bann

There's Maghery, Muckery, Slentry, Ballinary
And Portydown where fenians should be wary
And the oul' boys talk of eels, by Christ, so hairy
That live in the oul' River Bann

Subject: RE: The 12th of July
From: Mrrzy
Date: 29 Jul 02 - 03:38 PM

Nice! Well worth all that creeping...

Subject: RE: The 12th of July
From: GUEST,Derryadd Sam
Date: 29 Jul 02 - 08:34 AM

McKittery yeh bhoy yeh, that`s ana` wan for the brathern to larn. Am lyin`here beside the oul River Bann and wouldn`t yeh knowitt, damm the bite am ah gittin`, thon crowd from the Church are singin` "Shall we gaa` at the River", if these bliddy fash don`t start bitin`, i`ll bih gilhooleyin`innit. Ma oul guts are rummlin`, a bit of an oul Pack wud go down rightly, wud yeh bring iss a wee Chip from thon wee shop in Brownstown, and ah`ll give yeh thon tenner. Derryadd Sam

Subject: RE: The 12th of July
From: GUEST,Isaac McKittery
Date: 29 Jul 02 - 07:59 AM

Says Derry Wan till Ike and Sam, yer knowledge is appalling
But he's talkin' through his derry air, I hear his pipes are calling
I just went down to Portydown, till raise up all Drumcree, sir
And thon boys so loyal till the crown, will fall in behind me, sir

What are ye havin'? A three-skin joint?
I'll have a quare wee smoke, sir
And then we'll march till Derry town
And giv yer man a hoak, sir

Says Derry wan till Ike and Sam, I think you're off your thread, sir
Says I till him, don't be so dim, there's nowhere I can't tread sir
This website's on a marching route I've used since I was wee, sir
So I'll rattle my drum and I'll blow my flute anywhere I damn well please, sir

What are ye havin'? A shot o' Buck?
I'll have a nice wee sloat, sir
And on thon joint I'll have a suck
Till sen' me on the road, sir

Says Derry wan till Ike and Sam, I'll do ye a translation
Says Ardmore Sam till Derry wan, give over yer vexation
Yer oul' talk is loose and fast, but I tell ye what ye need sir
A bloody good kick up the ass, so hard yer nose wud bleed, sir

What are ye havin'? Some oul' Scotch Mac?
Ha' ye got a drap dekented?
If I cud get yer man from aff my back
I'd be quarely more contented!

Subject: RE: The 12th of July
From: GUEST,Isaac McKittery
Date: 28 Jul 02 - 09:44 AM

An' anawr 'hing!

Thon Derry men near make me boke, wi' their Apprentice Boys this and Apprentice Boys that! I'd say the same boys wud need the oul "L" plates right enough. Not like me and Derryadd Sam. We're no l'arners, the same boys!

Closin' the dure, is it? Sure what gapshite hasn't shit a bloody dure? Even Derryadd Sam can pull an oul' dure behin' him and he was damn near rared in a fiel'. (No harm till you, Sam ... sure amn't I on'y tellin' the truth!)

If it hud bin the boys o' Portydown we wudn't ha' shit the dure in the Fenians' faces. We'd ha been out like a shot ready for takin' on all han's wi' an empty Buckie bottle in every han' and a wee suck at a Roman can'le jist till get us goin'!

Subject: RE: The 12th of July
From: GUEST,Derryadd Sam
Date: 28 Jul 02 - 07:46 AM

McKittery a wee bit more lickin` and ag jist mite retorn thon oul tenner ah owe yeh. Derryadd Sam

Subject: RE: The 12th of July
From: GUEST,Isaac McKittery
Date: 27 Jul 02 - 05:18 PM

I wuddint need a bloody map till find your hole, boy if you were here fernenst me, for by Christ I'd on'y have till listen till where in the name o' all that's good ye were talkin' out iv!

Tellin' me and my brawr Sam, here (hostilities between us suspended till we see aff yer man that can't even spell Derry right. Jaysis, I have till add another 6 letters till the bugger and I never spelt it wrong yet!) that we're in the wrong thread!

Houl yer whist, ye big gulpin, and pin yer ears back for Isaac McKittery tells no man a 'hing twice! This thread has been a thread used by the loyal brethren of Lodge 666 since the internet was forst invented. We are merely exercising our God-given rights till march along the Queen's own information superhighway. What're you goin' till do? Call in the Parades Commission?

Subject: RE: The 12th of July
From: GUEST,Dery wan
Date: 27 Jul 02 - 09:02 AM

your map reading is bad surely; you two should be at the Drumcree thread but somehow you got lost at the 12th of July

Subject: RE: The 12th of July
From: GUEST,Derryadd Sam
Date: 27 Jul 02 - 07:50 AM

McKittery you and yer bliddy Warrenpoints, what is the brathern comin` to, thon wee blerts can`t givis a blatter on the Lambaggs but their smoking thon oul stinkin`shite. God bih good tih the days when a good boul aff nettle champ waqs all you needed to rattle the skins. Spiled and ruined thon young buggers. Derryadd Sam.

Subject: RE: The 12th of July
From: GUEST,Isaac McKittery
Date: 26 Jul 02 - 07:20 PM

Heavens above, Sammy ... if it wasn't for the fact that you're the miserablest oul' bollocks that ever dug with the right fut, I'd have lep' intill yer defence aginst thon Derry wan one. But ye'll have to crawl over broken glass on your bare ass singin' Dolly's Braes before I'd ever forgive you for tornin' thon cute wee Australian huzzy agin me.

I cud tell by the cut o' thon Shankhill boy's oul way o' goin' on that he's no Belfast man. I'd say the same fella'd know his beads better than he'd know the words to Croppy Lie Down.

Anyway ... enough of this oul' carry-on! I'm away to roll myself up a big Warrenpoint and get aff my face!

Keep diddlin' the lambegs, boys!

Subject: RE: The 12th of July
From: GUEST,Derryadd Sam
Date: 26 Jul 02 - 01:32 PM

Derry Wan don`t lecture me on thon oul Irish stuff, I spake good oul Ulster Scots, a language that the stranger can`t hannel. And as for Dublin, ah wuddnt set mh fut innit. I am sannin this wee note from our beloved Drumcree and the bliddy rains runnin` down the sheughs of mih ass, thats why I posted that twice up above, avv packed up an awful stutter, ah thinks its swamp faver. Ahall have a coupla wee welts at thon oul Lambagg to get the blood coorsin thru mah veins. Derryadd Sam

Subject: RE: The 12th of July
From: GUEST,Derry wan
Date: 26 Jul 02 - 11:39 AM

Derryadd, your Belfast geography is lacking, Shankill is nearer to Ardoyne and the Falls than it is to Sandy Row. there's also one in Dublin, comes from Gaelic Sean Chill, old church/cell (religious type), I believe.

Subject: RE: The 12th of July
From: An Pluiméir Ceolmhar
Date: 26 Jul 02 - 11:12 AM

Ha! Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!

Shankillboy, allow a newcomer to welcome you back.

Have you visited the Campsite at Drumcree? If not, I suggest you cancel your weekend arrangements, buy a bottle of whatever muck passes for Buckfast in that poor benighted haven of backwardness you're living in, cover your keyboard with a waterproof sheet to protect it from the tears of laughter, and let the fun begin.

I'm a bit of an expat myself - or an ex-pat as some spell it, though I for one am still a Pat.

Subject: RE: The 12th of July
From: GUEST,Derryadd Sam
Date: 26 Jul 02 - 09:10 AM

Is that the Shankill in Lurgan or the wan in Sandy Row?, there`s a hell of a difference, thon Lurgan slums is full of papishes. Spain is it?, there`s damm few prods in that bandits hideaway. Derradd Sam.

Subject: RE: The 12th of July
From: Shankhillboy
Date: 25 Jul 02 - 04:12 PM

Well Ard I'm glad you had a peaceful 12th as we did here ,but we had drums, and bombs and uniforms but all in the Sun and not a cross word among us. Glad to be back online Slan

Subject: RE: The 12th of July
From: Shankhillboy
Date: 25 Jul 02 - 03:51 PM

This is a great site for this excile in Spain .Keep it all cumin especially McKittrick, Ardmacha,and not forgetting Derryadd Sam ,Slan

Subject: RE: The 12th of July
From: An Pluiméir Ceolmhar
Date: 25 Jul 02 - 04:17 AM

I admit I'm inclined to get my Sandses mixed up myself, Sparkey. Are you sure you're not thinking about Colum Sands whose Marching Season is the subject of another thread?

Oh, and I apologise to all the loyal brethren for bringing a misplaced note of courtesy into this one. Must be all that funny-smelling smoke. Peace, brothers!

Subject: RE: The 12th of July
From: GUEST,sparkey the coalman
Date: 24 Jul 02 - 11:20 AM

What did Tommy Sands sing about two football teams coming to Ireland to play and the spectators getting involved?

Subject: RE: The 12th of July
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Jul 02 - 02:10 PM

McKittery,Yer codding about thon drop of the crater that we had at Derryadd Lodge, all the brethern were in total agreement that they never tasted better. Whatever thon fella McCavish is doing with his oul Gilhooly he should be bottling it, ah`ll have a couple of buckets out of thon drain the night and mix it with the oul Buckie, McKittery your a gem.

That bliddy new song sounds very fenian to me, you wouldn`t be trying to saften up your fenian customers on your Pullen and Torf round. Ever faithful ever true, I wear the orange and Royal Blue. Derryadd Sam.

Subject: RE: The 12th of July
From: GUEST,Isaac McKittery
Date: 19 Jul 02 - 08:11 AM

Man dear, but they're crankin' out the oul' songs at a fierce rate these days. I heard this one the other day and I had to titter to myself, even though it's taking the han' out o' our brothers in the preceptory. But, sure, I'll give it a go, anyways. Jist gi' me a minute to swally down the rest of this wee bottle of Buckfast and take a wee skite o' thon number that's doin' the roun's. (Gulp, drag!)

Here goes!

Bit o' order there now men!

When all besides a vigil keep
The Black's asleep, the Black's asleep
Alas and well may Ulster weep
While Brownlow lies in slumber deep
For years its grim-faced castle stood
To house its grim-faced brotherhood
To fan the flames of bigotry
And put a brake on Popery

The mansion drear has cast a pall
On Lurgan Town since I recall
Within its walls men meet who feel
That croppies must be kept at heel
With banners and with marching bands
They seek to dominate the land
And oul' Dutch Willie they will praise
And on their poles his banners raise

But caught off guard, the Royal Black
Are made a joke behind their back
For from Kilwilkie's green estate
A raiding party came of late
And climbed the walls of the Royal Black
And from its pole cut down the Jack
And in its place the flag of Green
Flew proud and high above the scene

And then a voice like thunder spake
The Black's awake, the Black's awake
Ah, holy God and Jesus' sake
It is a slap in Ulster's bake
They stood and watched without a smile
The Harp that flew above their pile
And though they flew to take it down
The picture's took, the word's got roun'!

Subject: RE: The 12th of July
From: GUEST,Isaac McKittery
Date: 19 Jul 02 - 04:02 AM

Houl' yer pish, Sam and don't be sprayin' all han's!

You're a right one to talk about anybody bein' too out of it to defen' anything or anybody! Sure didn't the Wolfs Island boys get the colours down aff Derryadd Lodge when you and the awr click o' hallions was out the back smokin' nettles and drinkin' water out o' McCavish's main drain on the understandin' it was Cullybackey poteen? Them boys from Wolfs Islan' hill made a right oul' mug o' you, all the same!

Subject: RE: The 12th of July
From: GUEST,Derryadd Sam
Date: 18 Jul 02 - 01:43 PM

McKittery what the hell are you on about, sure thon bliddy Sash had more stains on it than the wife`s drawers. Don`t let on to gawking multitudes that your cleaner than a fenian`s charity box.

Yer only an oul blow I seen you on the hill slabbering to all and sundry about what you would do at the barrier, I wouldn`t a like to be clanin` your drawers after thon big peeler took a run at yeh.

Wasn`t that your fella and his buddy lyin`sleeping yer heads aff when the fenians stuck thon free state fleg on Lurgan Castle, a bottle of buckie and thon fella of yours is bollicksed.Derryadd Sam.

Subject: RE: The 12th of July
From: GUEST,Isaac McKittery
Date: 18 Jul 02 - 12:04 PM

It is oul' and it is beautiful and its colours they are fine
Here and there it's stained (I can't get it clained!) where I spilt some Buckfast wine
There's the odd wee rip, when I took a trip, coming home on the 12th half-tore
And the odd hash-spark has left its mark on the sash my father wore

It smells of beer since McAleer from a lodge near Antrim Town
A full pint spilt – the dorty quilt! – in a pub in Portydown
I let a gowl and I grabbed a houl' and I goldered and I swore
And he got a smack, he'd no respec' for the sash my father wore

The wife one night, in a fit of spite threw my sash in the wheely-bin
And I had to hoak (God I nearly boked) and I damn near clattered in
But I soon retrieved, and it was reprieved from the dump near Ballinacor
Now day or night, it never layves my sight, the sash my father wore.

Subject: RE: The 12th of July
From: Amos
Date: 18 Jul 02 - 10:51 AM

Derry down, down, down, derry down; I swan you lot are kicking your way to the gates of somewhere at a mad rate!! Husha, noo -- yer gettin' all whacky on us!!

But I gotta love it!

A

Subject: RE: The 12th of July
From: An Pluiméir Ceolmhar
Date: 18 Jul 02 - 10:49 AM

Just don't spend the next 300-odd years celebrating it.

Subject: RE: The 12th of July
From: Mrrzy
Date: 18 Jul 02 - 10:40 AM

And - I just found out (thread creep alert) - on the 12th of July my divorce was final! YAY!

Subject: RE: The 12th of July
From: Mrrzy
Date: 18 Jul 02 - 09:44 AM

And how about the IRA saying condolences for all we maimed? About time SOMEBODY grew up... hear that, you in the Middle East?

Subject: RE: The 12th of July
From: GUEST,Issac McKittery
Date: 18 Jul 02 - 09:21 AM

Boys, I never seen nothin' like the oul' campsite, at all. It's like bloody Woodstock, boys! There's fellas growin' their hair and painting wee union jacks and red han's on their oul' gubs. Flower power … stacks of orange lilies everywhere!

Here comes a fella wi' a guitar. He's sittin' down on his oul' hunkers till give us a song. What'll it be "Hey Mr Tangerine Man", maybe?

Let's give him a listen!

Hey Mr Tangerine Man, play a song for me
Derry's Walls or Dolly's Braes or Lie Down, Croppy
Hey Mr Tangerine Man, play a song for me
As you walk out some twelfth mornin' I'll come followin' you

Take me for a stroll along the oul' Garvaghy Road
I've got a rake of blow, I'm ready for to go
Waitin' only for my brothers to start danderin'
I'm ready to go anywhere, but I will never fade
I love an oul' parade, cast your marchin' spell my way
I'm ready to go under it

Hey Mr Tangerine Man, play a song for me
As you walk out some twelfth mornin' I'll come followin' you

Jaysis, thon was powerful, right enough! But, whisht. Bit of order, there! One singer, one song, now!

In the county Tyrone, near the town of Dungannon
There lived an oul' farmer they called Sammy Gannon
Now Sam grew quare silage, Kerr's Pinks and fine rye
But the crafty oul' bugger grew something forbye
For beyant, in the greenhouse, he grew a rare weed
That sprung up like a triffid from Sam's budgie seed
And when smoked in a pipe, or when rolled in a feg
By Christ I can tell ye, it was a quare geg

Toorala-tooralee
They smoke mighty fine joints around Tanderagee

A fenian called Donal who lived next till Sam
Run out of dope and was feelin' quite wan
He was feelin' despondent, subdued and heart-sore
But resolved in the night he would rifle Sam's store
Under cover of darkness he crept at great speed
To Sammy's oul' greenhouse, where grew the proud weed
And he gave it a yank, out it come by the root
Says Donal I'll soon blow the oul' Orange flute

Toorala-tooralee
They smoke mighty fine joints around Tanderagee

Now Donal and Micky and Seamie and Sean
Chopped up thon oul weed, which they stuffed in a bong
And Sean lit his zippo and soon set aflame
The weed that they nyucked from Sam Cannon's demesne
Oh they lit thon oul' weed and they sucked down the fumes
And soon the whole company with joy was consumed
Says Seamie, By Christ, the best of a toot
Is a tune that you play on the oul' Orange flute

Toorala-tooralee
They smoke mighty fine joints around Tanderagee

Now thon's what I call music!

Subject: RE: The 12th of July
From: GUEST,Denis Murray, BBC Northern Ireland correspon
Date: 18 Jul 02 - 06:09 AM

Drumcree is abuzz with rumours that the Mudcat Peace People Movement plans to sponsor a visit to Portydoyn by legendary resource person Masato Sakurai.

After generations of Northern Ireland whataboutery, the MPPM believe that Mr Sakurai is the only person in the world who can point the way to a resolution of the conflict by establishing once and for all who started it.

Unofficial Mudcat spokesperson and intercommunal communication facilitator Brother Isaac McKittery denied the rumours, adding that "it is common knowledge that the name "Masato Sakurai" is a cover for a giant bank of supercomputers under a hollowed-out volcanic island, operated by British intelligence at the service of the IRA/Sinn Féin pan-nationalist front". Government sources in Dublin, London and Free Colombia declined to comment.

Subject: RE: The 12th of July
From: GUEST,Issac McKittery
Date: 17 Jul 02 - 08:34 AM

(very stoned ... oh dear! ... the sight of a besuited, white-gloved, sash-bedecked Brawr in the throes of a full-on giggly high is not a pretty sight!)

Hi, lads ... listen (giggles uncontrollably).

You know the twelfth, right? The twelfth? (giggles hysterically).

Maybe ... as a sop to the peace process, right (more giggling) ... we should change it from the twelfth of July till the twelfth of never!

(falls over giggling)

Subject: RE: The 12th of July
From: GUEST,Isaac McKittery
Date: 17 Jul 02 - 08:27 AM

Jayziz … th' oul' Buckfast drinkin's only the half of it!

Some lachako from Richill way just dandered into the campsite on Monday wi' a big bag of the finest Tanderagee skunk! A mixture of maree-a-ha-joo-anna (or some damn thing) and the leavin's of turf that he kibbled together from out Maghery direction. He rolled up this big yoke using about ten cigarette papers, that he called a "Portydown Parsnip". God sakes, but it was some han'lin, right enough!

My head was reevin' at the end of it all, and then I was overcome with a mood of mellow balladry. In the midst of which I writ the followin' wee ditty. They've been singin' it all night roun' the fire here.

And … (breaks off mid-sentence) … Oi, Sammy! Keep thon yoke comin' roun' my road! I need a wee blast till keep me on the level!

(Big drag!) Oh, man dear, but thon hit the G-spot, right enough! Here goes!

It was roun' the camp-fire we were smokin' the dope
Loyal till Lizzy and cursin' the pope
And dreamin' of days when we'd lighten our load
And march with our banners up Garvaghy Road
The talk got around till the best gear we'd smoked
In joints or in bongs, the best that we'd toked
Till one in our company says and says he
The best dope in Ireland's from Tanderagee

So here's to the boys that are hearty and gay
Rollin' and crumblin' and smokin' away
Frolicsome, rollicksome, frisky and free
The Dope-Smokin' Boys Around Tanderagee

Well up spakes a brother from near Ballyclare
Give over says he, you are talkin' hot air
For there's no better ganja in Ulster's grim state
Than that as is grown near to sweet Gawley's Gate
Ah give it a rest, says a brother from Toome
I wouldn't give thon sort of Bob Hope house room
The only home-grown that is fit for to smoke
Is grown by a brother who lives out near Doagh

So here's to the boys that are hearty and gay
Rollin' and crumblin' and smokin' away
Frolicsome, rollicksome, frisky and free
The Dope-Smokin' Boys Around Tanderagee

I fear says a brother who came from Coleraine
That you are deluded is comin' quite plain
For scour as you will the Six Counties for hash
You'll find none more potent than in Derrymacash
That damned rebel hole says a man from Loughgall
The dope-growers there sure they know bugger all
If you want a good toke that is mellow and true
Look for the kerbs painted red, white and blue

So here's to the boys that are hearty and gay
Rollin' and crumblin' and smokin' away
Frolicsome, rollicksome, frisky and free
The Dope-Smokin' Boys Around Tanderagee

Well Brother McKittery, now what do you say
Asked a fellow true blue from near Shillington's Quay
I took a wee whiff and I held for a while
Then blew out the smoke with an illegal smile
Says I my boul' comrades, the verdict is clear
I'm left with a grin from one ear to one ear
The best dope in Ireland, it's plain as can be
Is the stuff that they're growing roun' Tanderagee

So here's to the boys that are hearty and gay
Rollin' and crumblin' and smokin' away
Frolicsome, rollicksome, frisky and free
The Dope-Smokin' Boys Around Tanderagee

duplicate post deleted by JoeClone

Subject: RE: The 12th of July
From: Hrothgar
Date: 17 Jul 02 - 05:04 AM

Keep in line, McKittery, or I'll tell Alison!

Subject: RE: The 12th of July
From: An Pluiméir Ceolmhar
Date: 16 Jul 02 - 11:59 AM

Monastic lovers of Buckfast may wish to check out this post in the current "summer is icumen in" thread.

Could it be that "Buckfast" all along has been either a typo or a bowdlerisation for a cervidian rudie?

Subject: RE: The 12th of July
From: The Pooka
Date: 15 Jul 02 - 07:11 PM

Hey Mrrzy, why thank you kindly sir! Har har.. Yes indeed I guess it could be so translated. Of course I just did it as a rewrite of the old "Up the long ladder and down the short rope..." bit that I know from the old Clancy Bros. & T. Makem. As fer me, this old Yank isn't Irish, he can't be Irish, he isn't even singin' Irish Eyes. :)

Subject: RE: The 12th of July
From: GUEST,anawr guest
Date: 15 Jul 02 - 11:57 AM

The ghost of Isaac McKittery
Is beating on the door.

Subject: RE: The 12th of July
From: GUEST,Ghost Writer
Date: 15 Jul 02 - 10:43 AM

Isaac, I thought ye were dead!

Subject: RE: The 12th of July
From: Mrrzy
Date: 15 Jul 02 - 10:15 AM

Coil up the rope, indeed! VERY good one, Pooka! Is that Irish for Get over yourselves?

Subject: RE: The 12th of July
From: GUEST,potted history
Date: 15 Jul 02 - 09:07 AM

Extract from "Surrounded By Water" by Dominic Behan and recorded by, among others, The Dubliners, just to sober us all up …

"Two foreign oul' monarchs in battle did join
Each wanting his head on the back of a coin
If the Irish had sense they'd drown both in the Boyne …"

Back to the buckfast, then!

Subject: RE: The 12th of July
From: GUEST,Isaac McKittery
Date: 15 Jul 02 - 08:55 AM

In the countyArmagh, from the hill of Drumcree
Meself and the brethren we went on a spree
Wi' a bottle o' bucky in every hand
We marched down the road with an oul' Orange band
We marched down the road then we marched back again
Our company they didn't want, it was plain
The miserable fenians they torned us away
Which caused Brother Samuel in anger to say

Toora-la, toora-lee
Hooray for the buckfast, hooray for Drumcree

"Then what shall we do, if to march we're not let
If we cannot march, then we'll ever regret
For marchin's the thing that defines the true Prod
(And honouring monarchs, and fearing the God)
From the day I was born I was destined to march
To twiddle a baton and build an oul' arch
If marchin's denied me, I'll lose self-respec'"
"Shut yer gob, get a bottle o' buck down yer neck!"

Toora-la, toora-lee
Hooray for the buckfast, hooray for Drumcree

At a council of brethren that was called the next day
To consider the barrin' of our right of way
No sense could be had for all han's were confused
From drinkin' too much of thon Buckfastleigh booze
All han's were fair scundered, half-cut and half-pished
Banjaxed and blootered, and Lilian Gished
Says the high-up Gran' Master, "If you can't bate, then join"
And he knocked back a bottle of red tonic wine

Toora-la, toora-lee
Hooray for the buckfast, hooray for Drumcree

Subject: RE: The 12th of July
From: GUEST,anawr guest
Date: 15 Jul 02 - 06:56 AM

It is old but it is beautiful
And the colours they are fine
But it's not the Sash we sing about
It's Buckfast Tonic Wine

Subject: RE: The 12th of July
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Jul 02 - 06:28 AM

Hi Joe from Sandy Row, I heard a lot of the brethern at Drumcree cursing the demon drink [or was it the want of it] and the Monks of that dear town in Devon were getting it hard and heavy. I suggest you go down there and pull a few necks. Pheasant Plucker.

Subject: RE: The 12th of July
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Jul 02 - 06:15 AM

Blessed be the Monks of Buckfast Abbey for supplying us with such sweet nectar, laced with Concorde fuel, I have been known to uproot trees with my bare hands after indulging in a few bottles of the stuff. And if any of my loyal brethern have a bad word to say about these holy men I will personally uproot their heads. Sandy Row Joe.

Subject: RE: The 12th of July
From: GUEST,Isaac McKittery
Date: 14 Jul 02 - 05:42 PM

Would y'ever quit bein' so coy, there, armagh (I can't bring myself to say your oul' name in the Irish!).

I'm sure ye'd look jist the part in a splendid uniform wi' a bit o' blood and thunder restin' on yer stummick.

Jist got back till the hill after a couple o' braw days trampin' the streets and drinkin' buckie wi' the brawrs. Sure it's hard tae bate th'oul' 12th, boy!

Up Lizzie and away to blazes wi' oul Johnny Red Socks!

Gi'e us anawr bottle of bucky there, Sam!

The night's a pup.

We'll have an oul' sing-song goin' quicker'n you could say half a decade!

Subject: RE: The 12th of July
From: ard mhacha
Date: 14 Jul 02 - 04:29 PM

What a lovely peaceful Sunday, no Army and Police blocking of our streets to ensure the Klan get free passage through Harlem. No noisy choppers overheard, just the screeching of the Swifts as they feed on the wing on a lovely warm summer day, When will our loyal brethern ever get it through their thick skulls that barging their way through districts were they are not welcome is provacation. I have no inclination to annoy any of my Protestant neighbours by dressing up in a silly uniform and banging loudly on large drums, espically after a hard night on the Buckie. Ard Mhacha.

Subject: RE: The 12th of July
From: alanabit
Date: 14 Jul 02 - 01:42 PM

When I saw the title of this thread, I hoped it was going to be something about commemorating Woody Guthrie's 90th birthday.

Subject: RE: The 12th of July
From: The Pooka
Date: 14 Jul 02 - 01:23 PM

And speaking of Orangemen doing rebel songs, a piece in The Observer today -- "In league with the Devil - The Orange Order's behaviour has been a publicity coup for Sinn Fein" by Henry McDonald -- argues, in effect, that Ian Paisley is playing Gerry Adams's tune. Or at least making music to his ears. Another piece in The Sunday Business Observer, "Trimble must move to the right in his unionist Alamo" by John Coulter, gives a not-very-hopeful analysis of Loyalist politics. They're available via Fionn's excellent nuzhound site reference.

Subject: RE: The 12th of July
From: greg stephens
Date: 13 Jul 02 - 09:03 PM

I know two Orange marching band types who also played in rebel song pub bands.It may not be normal now,I dont play in the North much and I don't know the scene ,but it was perfectly normal in the 60/70's.

Subject: RE: The 12th of July
From: The Pooka
Date: 13 Jul 02 - 07:15 PM

Christ Almighty. / Long way to go.

Subject: RE: The 12th of July
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Jul 02 - 06:39 PM

Ormeau Road RUC officer set on fire by a petrol bomb. There were three policemen shot and injured, 900 baton rounds fired, at least thirty civilians injured, some seriously.

Subject: RE: The 12th of July
From: The Pooka
Date: 13 Jul 02 - 06:31 PM

Fionn - just read some informative articles on Nuzhound. Thanks again for posting that excellent site.

Subject: RE: The 12th of July
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 13 Jul 02 - 06:28 PM

For sure, Ard Mhacha, most of them would (detest the Orange Order). As I do myself.

Subject: RE: The 12th of July
From: The Pooka
Date: 13 Jul 02 - 06:05 PM

My wishful chant, from the far shores of Americay:

Down the long ladder and coil up the rope
*Enough* with King Billy and likewise the Pope
Up the Orange, the Green, and the Red White & Blue
It ain't 1690, it's 2002.

Easy for me to say, I know, physically far removed from the parades, the oppression, the prejudices, the bitterness, and the "interface areas". But still it's my hope & belief that slowly, slowly, progress is occurring. Some day....

Subject: RE: The 12th of July
From: ard mhacha
Date: 13 Jul 02 - 04:52 PM

Fionn, And I also know a good Protestant friend who also competed in many a Fleadh, and I also know for a fact that he detested the Orange Order. Ard Mhacha.

Subject: RE: The 12th of July
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 13 Jul 02 - 03:19 PM

Maybe not catholic bands, Ard Mhacha, but without naming names I know of a fine fife (&Lambeg) player who was a regular Fleadh Cheoil na hÉireann contestant, who won at least one all-Ireland title for his whistle-playing. (Purely on the strength of popular demand I think, because the Comhaltas Ceoltóirí Éireann crowd never seemed too keen to give him their vote!)

Subject: RE: The 12th of July
From: ard mhacha
Date: 13 Jul 02 - 11:14 AM

Mr Happy, living in the midst of the marching madness, I can tell you that, your mate Jim is taking the Lillian Gish. Ard Mhacha.

Subject: RE: The 12th of July
From: Mr Happy
Date: 13 Jul 02 - 03:15 AM

a question:

is the 'loyal orange order' membership restricted to protestants or can anyone join?

my mate jim, who's from belfast, said when he was living there in the 50's + 60's, there were musicians who played both in catholic bands and orange ones.

if this is still so, can't the marchers & protestors all join the traditional 'carnival' together?

[i expect this suggestion will be controversial]

Subject: RE: The 12th of July
From: little john cameron
Date: 12 Jul 02 - 07:13 PM

Aye,peaceful????CLICK

Subject: RE: The 12th of July
From: An Pluiméir Ceolmhar
Date: 12 Jul 02 - 06:50 PM

Unfortunately the Irish Times has lost a packet of money and now charges a fee to access just about any interesting news on its website, but here's what I got from the (southern) Irish national radio station's website.

(Nearly) everybody is trying so hard to make the peace process work that lots of "petty" violence including crude but potentially lethal pipe-bomb attacks on civilian targets is left unreported, so that when things get photogenic enough to be worth showing on CNN this can create a biased perception of what things are really like. And BTW, I don't pretend to know myself what things are really like, I just notice how the news is manipulated and try to read between the lines.

July 12, 2002 (23:00) There has been trouble in a flashpoint area of North Belfast this evening as a controversial Orange Order parade passed through the Nationalist Ardoyne area. Bottles, stones and bricks were thrown at the marchers. However, the trouble was reportedly brought to an end after intervention by Nationalist political figures.

A major security operation is in place in North Belfast for the parade through the Ardoyne area. Earlier, a number of missiles were found during a search of shop roofs in the Ardoyne.

Reinforced steel, iron cut into two-foot lengths and a number of star shaped spiked metal objects - together with bricks and bottles - were recovered. The parade passed near the flash-point Nationalist district in North Belfast without incident earlier today.

In West Belfast, police came under attack as they attempted to keep Nationalist protestors from attacking an Orange Order parade on the Springfield Road. The police had ordered plastic baton rounds to keep the crowds back when they were attacked.

In Ballymena, a crowd of around 60 nationalists attacked police with petrol bombs and stones following a parade there. A hoax bomb alert caused some disruption at Dundrum in County Down.

Tension increased in Belfast last night, after the Police Service's Assistant Chief Constable, Alan McQuillan, claimed that Republicans were planning a violent protest against the parade in Ardoyne. He said large quantities of petrol bombs and acid bombs were being manufactured. Mr McQuillan went on to make the specific allegation that a Republican paramilitary organisation was organising and directing this planned attack.

The Sinn Féin Assembly member, Gerry Kelly, said there was no basis for Alan McQuillan's claim. As the parade passed near Ardoyne this morning, hundreds of Nationalists staged a peaceful protest.

It is just eight days since Tony Blair and Bertie Ahern were in Hillsborough where they met, among others, Martin McGuinness and Gerry Adams and appealed for leadership. If, this evening, there is serious violence in the Sinn Féin stronghold of North Belfast, David Trimble will certainly repeat his misgivings about the Republican movement's commitment to the peace process.

Subject: RE: The 12th of July
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 12 Jul 02 - 06:41 PM

Mrrzy, some skirmishing (Springfield Road, Ardoyne etc) but nothing really major so far.

Nuzhound is a terrific resource for tracking affairs in Norn Iron from all perspectives, although it usually lags real time by a few hours.

Subject: RE: The 12th of July
From: An Pluiméir Ceolmhar
Date: 12 Jul 02 - 06:38 PM

Nothing heard yet, but I suspect that all the contributors to the Campsite at Drumcree thread are sitting tight and hoping that nothing too bad will happen for real, so that we can get back to joking about the sitchyation without offending good taste (well, you know what I mean...).

Subject: RE: The 12th of July
From: Kenny B (inactive)
Date: 12 Jul 02 - 05:04 PM

Items of News?

Earlier to-day two lions escaped from Belfast Zoo. They were wandering down Royal Avenue and one turned round to the other and said "Its awful quiet here, do you think there's a bomb scare?"

This being Friday the priest in a wee chapel in the Ardoyne was hearing confessions. A new non Belfast voice spoke to him and being rather perceptive he asked "Are you a stranger here?" " The voice replied, "Yes I'm an acrobat from a circus visiting town". "Ah dear" said the Reverand Father " I love the circus but can never get to see it because of my commitments. After I hear your confession could you show me a few of your acrobatic tricks?". The man agreed and after his confession started to do a few tricks in the aisle. He did back and forward rolls, head stands, hand stands, backward and forward flips and cartwheels. There were two wee Belfast wummens standing at the back of the church watching the the performance. One turns to the other and says, " If that's this week's penance, I'm going home to put my knickers on!".

Johnny McAslin had bought a new suit from Burtons on tick and he hadn't paid a thing since the day and hour he bought it. The manager of Burtons was a religious man and added a biblical text at the end of the letter to try and awaken Johnny's conscience. It read, "You were naked and we clothed you". But Johnny knew his bible too and he wrote them a letter telling that he wasn't going to pay and he finished it with a biblical quotation, "You werw a stranger and I took you in"

End of to-days news?

TTFN

breaks added by JoeClone

Subject: The 12th of July
From: Mrrzy
Date: 12 Jul 02 - 04:02 PM

as it yearly did come, has come again. How are things in Ireland?