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Jazz, anyone?

Jerry Rasmussen 19 Jul 02 - 06:49 AM
Dagmar 19 Jul 02 - 06:57 AM
greg stephens 19 Jul 02 - 07:07 AM
mooman 19 Jul 02 - 07:52 AM
Giac 19 Jul 02 - 08:40 AM
Steve Latimer 19 Jul 02 - 09:18 AM
rich-joy 19 Jul 02 - 09:26 AM
Steve Parkes 19 Jul 02 - 09:33 AM
Bee-dubya-ell 19 Jul 02 - 09:49 AM
BanjoRay 19 Jul 02 - 09:57 AM
M.Ted 19 Jul 02 - 11:35 AM
Mark Clark 19 Jul 02 - 11:46 AM
Mudlark 19 Jul 02 - 12:41 PM
fogie 19 Jul 02 - 12:55 PM
C-flat 19 Jul 02 - 02:52 PM
Ebbie 19 Jul 02 - 03:02 PM
Mudlark 19 Jul 02 - 03:16 PM
Rick Fielding 19 Jul 02 - 06:52 PM
greg stephens 19 Jul 02 - 07:00 PM
C-flat 19 Jul 02 - 07:07 PM
McGrath of Harlow 19 Jul 02 - 07:10 PM
Chanteyranger 19 Jul 02 - 07:30 PM
GUEST,Tix Retter 19 Jul 02 - 08:19 PM
Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull 19 Jul 02 - 08:50 PM
mack/misophist 19 Jul 02 - 09:25 PM
Art Thieme 19 Jul 02 - 09:55 PM
Mudlark 19 Jul 02 - 09:56 PM
Kaleea 20 Jul 02 - 02:43 AM
GUEST,Sonja 20 Jul 02 - 04:11 AM
fat B****rd 20 Jul 02 - 12:11 PM
GUEST,Leadfingers 20 Jul 02 - 12:24 PM
GUEST,.gargoyle 20 Jul 02 - 01:06 PM
Genie 21 Jul 02 - 01:46 AM
Benjamin 21 Jul 02 - 02:28 AM
GUEST,vl 21 Jul 02 - 10:44 AM
Bill D 21 Jul 02 - 11:22 AM
McGrath of Harlow 21 Jul 02 - 05:48 PM
GUEST,rob 21 Jul 02 - 07:13 PM
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Chanteyranger 22 Jul 02 - 03:46 AM
Mooh 22 Jul 02 - 07:09 AM
KingBrilliant 22 Jul 02 - 07:31 AM
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Subject: Jazz, anyone?
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 19 Jul 02 - 06:49 AM

From time to time, I'll see references on music threads to other kinds of music Catters like. Us being mostly high-mileage models, it's usually in the Chuck Berry, Buddy Holly era, or maybe the Byrds, Buffalo Springfield or the Holy Modal Rounders... the connection to folk and blues is usually pretty noticeable. I have a great love of jazz, but hardly know anyone who shares it. I ran a folk concert series for 27 years and up until the last two or three, I drew good crowds. I ran a jazz concert series for 5 years and the best crowds were far smaller than the average folk music audience. I finally had to stop it for lack of interest. I can think of a grand total of three people I know who share my love for jazz. Two of them are Catters... Art Thieme and Mudlark. Usually, when I mention that I like jazz, people's eyes glaze over or they say, I liked that song by Kenny G (which ain't jazz...) So, I'm wondering... is there anyone out there who listens to jazz? I find myself going to Stanley Turrentine, Gene Harris, Kenny Burrell and the West Coast Jazz of the sixties most commonly, but I also have a great love for the traditional jazz of New Orleans.

So fess up, Catters... I've still got seven fingers left on my hands to count people I know who love jazz. At least I think so. I never was good at math.. :-)

Jerry


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Subject: RE: Jazz, anyone?
From: Dagmar
Date: 19 Jul 02 - 06:57 AM

yes certainly I do.. but not so much the ones you mentionecd....ever heard of Misha Alperin ? great russian pianist who combines jazz and folk in a quite avantgardistic way....also recently went to a concert of a swedish group called.... something svensson trio... fantastic stuff but best life..also jan garbarek still good life actually and what about mari boine which category would they fit in but guess I am moving away too much from this page here.... nevertheless good to hear peoples recommondations greetings from dagmar


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Subject: RE: Jazz, anyone?
From: greg stephens
Date: 19 Jul 02 - 07:07 AM

Count me in Jerry. Louis Armstrong, Johnny StCyr,Kid Ory,Johnny Dodds,Lil Hardin. Will that do for the entree into your secret society?


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Subject: RE: Jazz, anyone?
From: mooman
Date: 19 Jul 02 - 07:52 AM

Count me in!

Lady McMoo and I have a number of jazz standards and new jazz/blues numbers in our current repertoire of stuff we sometimes perform together.

Best regards,

mooman


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Subject: RE: Jazz, anyone?
From: Giac
Date: 19 Jul 02 - 08:40 AM

Hmmm, well, how about John Coltrane, Charles Mingus, Charlie Parker, Thelonius Monk, Ella Fitzgerald? I like Kid Ory, too. I'd just put on a Coltrane CD when I noticed this thread.

Mary


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Subject: RE: Jazz, anyone?
From: Steve Latimer
Date: 19 Jul 02 - 09:18 AM

I like the older stuff, Reinhardt & Grapelli, Armstrong, Miller, Holliday. I find a lot of the newer stuff that I've heard to be noodling.


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Subject: RE: Jazz, anyone?
From: rich-joy
Date: 19 Jul 02 - 09:26 AM

Abso-bloody-lutely, Jerry!!!!!!!

(has a fair following Down Under too ...)

Cheers! R-J


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Subject: RE: Jazz, anyone?
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 19 Jul 02 - 09:33 AM

Don't love it, but I like it. Very much.

Steve


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Subject: RE: Jazz, anyone?
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 19 Jul 02 - 09:49 AM

I like jazz if the instrumentation is string-oriented. Play it using guitars, violins, mandolins and banjos and I'm a rapt audience. Pull out a lot of horns and keyboards and I'm outa there. I much prefer acoustic otientation, but will listen to a good electric guitarist.

Bruce


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Subject: RE: Jazz, anyone?
From: BanjoRay
Date: 19 Jul 02 - 09:57 AM

My first three years of playing the banjo were in a trad jazz session in a pub, and occasional sitting in with the band. While heavily into Old Time string bands now, my latest CD is by Joe Venuti and Eddie Lang - sublime stuff.

Cheers
Ray


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Subject: RE: Jazz, anyone?
From: M.Ted
Date: 19 Jul 02 - 11:35 AM

Count me in--I've been listening a lot to Django lately, also Barney Kessel, Joe Pass-- wish I could find some Billy Bauer stuff to listen to--love the other instruments, too, from Bud Powell and Lennie Tristano to James P. Johnson--anyway, Jazz is folk music too--


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Subject: RE: Jazz, anyone?
From: Mark Clark
Date: 19 Jul 02 - 11:46 AM

I'm a big jazz fan too, especially bebop. The more new age things get, the faster I'm outta there. I like the older jazz too, gimmie Bix or Sidney or "The quintet" and you'll have to chase me off.

      - Mark


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Subject: RE: Jazz, anyone?
From: Mudlark
Date: 19 Jul 02 - 12:41 PM

Ahhhh....thanks for this thread, Jerry! Just seeing all these great names makes me happy. Any kind of guitar--jazz, classical, folk--has a special place in my heart, but oh, those sexy, smoky, late-night sax sounds...how empty life would be without them! That Turintine Ballads album is so good I can't seem to wrestle it out of the CD player.

One thing I like about good jazz (I agree, Kenny G...not) is that is can be both foreground--and background, when necessary. When I'm listening to folk, it demands my entire attention, I listen to every word, every nuance. But some mellow jazz in the background is perfect for other occupations, like writing, and is even very conducive to convivial conversation.

Too many favorites to name in the jazz genre, but Mulligan and Desmond spring instantly to mind...Dexter Gordon, Bill Evans...don't get me started!


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Subject: RE: Jazz, anyone?
From: fogie
Date: 19 Jul 02 - 12:55 PM

Nnnniiice! I try to listen in to the jazz progs Sat evening Radio3 and the Saturday showcases around 11pm after Andy Kershaw. The more I hear the more it fascinates, but I like the early stuff best. Don't knock Kenny G -I wish I could play like him, He's got a lovely sense of mild Klezmer Funk, and his tunes are nice, It takes all kinds- many rooms in the house etc.


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Subject: RE: Jazz, anyone?
From: C-flat
Date: 19 Jul 02 - 02:52 PM

Hi Jerry, As you know I'm a big "hot-club" fan, mostly because of Djangos' guitar playing. As a guitar player I do tend to be drawn to music/musicians where the guitar features heavily. I'm not a great fan of "modern" jazz, I prefer to be able to tap my foot and "join-in" the melody.
I once had the chance to visit Ronnie Scotts' jazz club in London and was looking forward to seeing some great musicians in an intimate environment, but instead I was treated to some technically great musicians who seemed to be each playing a different piece of music at the same time.
They started together and they finished together, so they clearly understood it, but it left me unmoved.
As for "big-band" jazz, whilst I don't listen to it at home, I occasionally go to listen in to a local group of musicians while they rehearse on Sunday mornings. It's very powerful and quite educational to watch the band leader pull together this large ensemble into a cohesive unit.
I've played a fair bit of jazz guitar, either with a gypsy-jazz trio or as a dep' for the big band, and found it an extremely sharp learning curve which I've been able to take with me into other areas of music.
So, in answer to your question, YES, count me in!


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Subject: RE: Jazz, anyone?
From: Ebbie
Date: 19 Jul 02 - 03:02 PM

I know very little about jazz itself- although I've always liked Dixieland. The other night at music, the father of one of the musicians played some standards for us on the piano like Easy to Love, Darktown Strutters Ball and some others. He is very good and it was a joy to listen to. What seemed so remarkable was how supple and strong his hands are, and he is, I imagine, in his upper 70s.

For years he played in the Dean Bushnell orchestra in the Denver area.


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Subject: RE: Jazz, anyone?
From: Mudlark
Date: 19 Jul 02 - 03:16 PM

Hi Fogie....I don't knock Kenny G at all--just don't think of his music as jazz (altho IMO its not as rich or complex as, say, Coltrane or Monk), any more than I think of Billy Joel as folk music. I'm all for musicians making real music, whether I happen to like it or not.


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Subject: RE: Jazz, anyone?
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 19 Jul 02 - 06:52 PM

Jerry, jerry, jerry! I guess you weren't here when I was trying to jam THISRedhot Jazz down everyone's throat. What an amazing site it is. Listen to the very first multi-tracked recording. (No it isn't Les Paul, it's Sidney Bechet playing six instruments in the thirties)

Feeling down? I just listen to Bix play "Singin' the Blues" over and over again.

There is so much here, that even though I've been listening and reading for two years I've only scratched the surface.

Enjoy.

Rick

P.S. As I mentioned in the other thread, we're still enjoyin' The Gospel Messengers for breakfast.....starting to hum and tap along.


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Subject: RE: Jazz, anyone?
From: greg stephens
Date: 19 Jul 02 - 07:00 PM

I learned incredible amounts from Venuti/Lang.Any folkie guitarist should have a listen to Eddie Lang just to hear how a perfect accompanist works.Mind you it nearly made me give up.


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Subject: RE: Jazz, anyone?
From: C-flat
Date: 19 Jul 02 - 07:07 PM

Wow Rick! I guess I wasn't here either when you were jamming this down everyones throat.
Fantastic site!!!


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Subject: RE: Jazz, anyone?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 19 Jul 02 - 07:10 PM

New Orleans and such like, yes indeed. I get confused by most things that stray too far from that.

Basically what I like is Jazz that feels like it's folkmusic rather than art music, and for dancing rather than listening to. Which is the way I feel about instrumental music generally.


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Subject: RE: Jazz, anyone?
From: Chanteyranger
Date: 19 Jul 02 - 07:30 PM

Yes, I'm a big fan of jazz. I listen to alot of bop and hard bop - Parker, Gillespie, Fats Navarro, Kinny Dorham, early Lee Morgan. Favorite jazz singers - Billie Holiday, Anita O'Day, and my favorite lovemaking CD - "My Funny Valentine:Chet Baker Sings For lovers." I also listen to John Coltrane in his various stages of development. Among the new crop of musicians? Joe Lovano is very good - haven't kept up with the latest performers, though. Always open to recommendations.

Chanteyranger


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Subject: RE: Jazz, anyone?
From: GUEST,Tix Retter
Date: 19 Jul 02 - 08:19 PM

The following is a quote by G. Gershwin and is taken from William G Hyland's book 'The Song is Ended'.

"Jazz I regard as an American folk-music - not the only one but a very powerful one which is probably in the
blood and feeling of the American people more than any other style of folk-music."
TR..

'In class wars, it is the side that wins who kills most.'
G. Brennan.


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Subject: RE: Jazz, anyone?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 19 Jul 02 - 08:50 PM

Jazz, mmmmh Great!


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Subject: RE: Jazz, anyone?
From: mack/misophist
Date: 19 Jul 02 - 09:25 PM

Yes, please. Do you think the problem could be that the jazz sound is so diverse that, while the generic answer is always yes, the specific answer may often be no?


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Subject: RE: Jazz, anyone?
From: Art Thieme
Date: 19 Jul 02 - 09:55 PM

The man himself, LESTER YOUNG's sax----especially playin' duets with NAT COLE---piano.

The film BIRD. The film ROUND MIDNIGHT. Dexter Gordon's nomintion for an Academy Award in that one should've won him the statue.

Monk, Chet, Bird Parker, Mulligan, Teagarden, Ahmad Jamal at the Pershing Lounge live LP--Chicago, The jazz score from the film I Want To Live so many other musicians, LPs etc. Joe Venuti, Stuff Smith, Red Rodney-trumpet) duet jazz with Ira Sullivan on sax after putting down his trumpet and learning sax seemingly over night !!) And so much more...

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: Jazz, anyone?
From: Mudlark
Date: 19 Jul 02 - 09:56 PM

Chantyranger...I have the original 10-in Fantasy recording of Baker's Songs...one of those transparent neon blue jobs. Played it thin as a kid. Great range of songs, too...Funny Valentine, But Not for Me, I Get Along Without you Very Well. Sexy, wistful....but not as heartbreaking as his rendition of Blame it On My Youth from the Let's Get Lost soundtrack.


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Subject: RE: Jazz, anyone?
From: Kaleea
Date: 20 Jul 02 - 02:43 AM

Yes, I do love Jazz, & many styles of Jazz, especially the very early Jazz music. I listened to Jazz records--in addition to the Beatles & all the top 40's on the local teen station when I was a kid, & never knew other kids who listened to Jazz--except for the boy from France who was my pen pal (through a teen magazine, of course!). The older I get, the more I love the early Jazz greats such as Duke, Count, Louis, the many singers & instrumentalists who committed their lives to traveling in old busses from town to town performing & often having to sleep in the bus or train station, for no hotel they played in would permit them to sleep there. And I love to hear rare recordings of the music from which both Jazz & Bluegrass/Gospel sprang from, and how the music wandered about & was influenced by various ethnic populations in cities or the wailing sound of the deep south which both Bluegrass & Blues came from. Which takes us back to where we are, as good Bluegrass instrumentalists play improvised variations on a theme with solid rhythm backup, and is, to me, side by side with Jazz. Jazz has more horns and syncopation, but is very much the same as Bluegrass. And I am just as comfortable performing one as the other--vocal &/or instrumental. I was playing rhythm guitar (& thumping out the walking bass lines with my thumb) in a ceoli band several years back, when I realized that the ragtime music of Tin Pan Alley care directly from what we were playing! It is a natural thing that we lovers of "traditional" music would love the Art form invented right here in the USA-- the traditional music of America (still being passed down from generation to generation) wich we call Jazz!


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Subject: RE: Jazz, anyone?
From: GUEST,Sonja
Date: 20 Jul 02 - 04:11 AM

I love trad Jazz, especially the old jazz standards of the 20s through early 50s.


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Subject: RE: Jazz, anyone?
From: fat B****rd
Date: 20 Jul 02 - 12:11 PM

Yeah Man !! Hot 5s and 7s, Kansas City style, Basie, Ellington, Parker et al, Charles Lloyd, Lee Morgan, Bill Evans.........the list is endless for me, sadly unlike the lives of so many greats including my particular favourite Julian "Cannonball" Adderley.


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Subject: RE: Jazz, anyone?
From: GUEST,Leadfingers
Date: 20 Jul 02 - 12:24 PM

The first Folk Club I Joined was the Hermitage Zazz and Folk Song Club in Hitchin.Louis Killen ran the Folk club and the first Guest I saw there was Red Sullivan (of Troubadour fame)Up to that point I was a serious clarinet and sax man with a strong leaning towards Jonny Dodds and Sidney Bechet.I now play guitar and banjo and mandolin and still like to sit in at Jazz sessions on Whistle.


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Subject: RE: Jazz, anyone?
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 20 Jul 02 - 01:06 PM

My tastes are in tune with Giac and Thieme

Ahmad Jamal

Bill Evans

Clare Fischer

Theolonious Monk

John Coltrane

Dave Brubeck Quartet

George Gershwin

Sincerely,
Gargoyle


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Subject: RE: Jazz, anyone?
From: Genie
Date: 21 Jul 02 - 01:46 AM

Since I sing and play (guitar) for a lot of retirement residences and senior centers, there's a lot of demand for the popular & jazz standards from the '20s, '30s, '40s, etc.  I don't mind at all, since there are so many great songs to choose from.

I love Louis Armstrong, Cab Calloway, Duke Ellington, Ella Fitzgerald, Billie Holiday, Ruth Brown, 
Louis Prima, The Inkspots, and a slew of other jazz musicians from "The Jazz Era, not to mention Brubeck, Miles Davis, Pete Fountain, Les Paul, etc.   Re composers, I love Gershwin, Hoagy Carmichael, Harold Arlen, etc.  My favorite pieces to perform include the following, which I would put in the broad category of jazz:
Up A Lazy River
Someone To Watch Over Me
Come Sunday (Duke Ellington)
Minnie The Moocher
Stardust
Dream A Little Dream of Me
Lazy Bones
Undecided
Java Jive
Nevertheless
That Old Black Magic (a la Louis Prima and Keely Smith)
As Time Goes By
Ain't Misbehavin'
Misty
Sing, Sing, Sing
Deep Purple
Twilight Time
Any Time/All of Me (medley)
Moondance (I'd call it a jazz piece)
Stormy Weather
Blues In The Night
Is You Is Or Is You Ain't My Baby?
Shoo-fly Pie and Apple-Pan Dowdy

I've had to broaden my guitar skills (especially expanding my arsenal of chords) as I started branching out from folk and country/western.  I think one reason I like doing jazz standards is that my voice is suited to that kind of music as well as or better than to traditional folk  (though I didn't think so when I first started out).

Glad to hear there are other "folkies" who appreciate jazz in its various forms, too.

Genie


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Subject: RE: Jazz, anyone?
From: Benjamin
Date: 21 Jul 02 - 02:28 AM

I'm not a huge jazz fan. Still, out is West Virgina a couple years ago I got hear an increadible pianist named Bross Townsend. He's blind and appearently even lost some feeling in his hands, which makes what I heard even more amazing. I had the chance to meet him a couple times the next day. He and his wife are very sweet people. Anyone interested in Jazz (or not) should really look into him.


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Subject: RE: Jazz, anyone?
From: GUEST,vl
Date: 21 Jul 02 - 10:44 AM

There are great songs and tunes from every era but around 1955 to circa '64 were really great,IMO. Miles Davis, Coltrane, McCoy Tyner,Monk, Sonny Rollins, Bill Evans and a bunch of others turned out some of their best stuff during this period. Also love Bix, Jellyroll Morton, Lang, Venuti, Frankie Trumbauer and them from that period and Lester Young on the Kansas City Six recordings and the early stuff he did with Billie Holiday (his two choruses on her Man I Love are about as good as it gets). vl


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Subject: RE: Jazz, anyone?
From: Bill D
Date: 21 Jul 02 - 11:22 AM

did you miss this link a few days ago?

Red Hot Jazz is there, along with others.....and everything you'd ever want to know about old records....


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Subject: RE: Jazz, anyone?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 Jul 02 - 05:48 PM

Looks a brilliant site - but for some reason I can never get the streaming sound files on the site to work for me. Very frustrating.


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Subject: RE: Jazz, anyone?
From: GUEST,rob
Date: 21 Jul 02 - 07:13 PM

I love jazz too. I think what draws me the most to it (and also to alot of folk and bluegrass) is the improvisation. Not only is it impressive to me that people can improvise in music together so well, but i find it very easy to get caught up in a peice that is improvised. I start to feel what the artist is feeling and my energy levels will, during the course of a jazz cd or song, match those of the music. I will often put on some upbeat jazz when i am trying to finish a term paper or put on slower, more mellow stuff when i come back from a workout to help slow me down. For me Jazz and folk music together comprise the music of life, because in a sense, it is alive. No other kind of music touches me like they do.

-rob


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Subject: RE: Jazz, anyone?
From: Bill D
Date: 21 Jul 02 - 08:04 PM

hmmm, McGrath...most streaming files are Real Audio...unless you have some setting turned off, it should work....*shrug*...(at least there are downloadable ones in the pages)


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Subject: RE: Jazz, anyone?
From: Chanteyranger
Date: 22 Jul 02 - 03:46 AM

Mudlark, hang onto that one!


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Subject: RE: Jazz, anyone?
From: Mooh
Date: 22 Jul 02 - 07:09 AM

There were interesting workshop/performances at Home County Folk Festival yesterday (London Ontario Canada) which featured alot of jazz and blues. Players/singers included Mose Scarlet, Curly Boy Stubbs, Ken Whiteley, Jackie Washington, Georgette Fry, and others (sorry, I'm doing this from memory).

Some jazz and blues standards played with the same instrumentation as folkies and bluegrassers would use, and it works very well. I guess good music is good music regardless of instrumentation. Gotta say that Whiteley's mandolin playing was spot on.

The drift of tunes from genre to genre can be quite revealing. All music is derivative, most is more closely related than the industry would have us believe, and the folk process works equally well in non-"folk" musics.

Anyway, to me at least, it's not so much how music is played but how it's heard. Lots of folk (and folkies) can play with great ability in other styles, but tend to hear in their preferred style. There's lots of fun to be had when the styles are stretched.

Think I'll listen to something different today.

Peace, Mooh.


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Subject: RE: Jazz, anyone?
From: KingBrilliant
Date: 22 Jul 02 - 07:31 AM

Someone told me that it would take me two years before I could really appreciate Jazz - so although I had enjoyed the CD he had lent me, I couldn't possibly have been enjoying it right.
That's the side of jazz that gets right on my tights, so to speak.
I like a bit of mellow good-time sunny-day jazz though (if I may be allowed to do so).

KRis


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Subject: RE: Jazz, anyone?
From: MikeofNorthumbria
Date: 22 Jul 02 - 07:55 AM

Hi Jerry!

Quite a few of the hard-core folkies I know are keen jazzers. Many others are not (a few can't bear the stuff). I can't recall any other factor that correlates with this division - but then taste in music is such a very personal thing.

For me, a remark Humphrey Lyttleton made in a radio interview gets pretty close to explaining the unique appeal of this kind of music. Humph said "Jazz is the only kind of music which appeals simultaneously to the head, the heart, and the feet." I would't agree entirely - try dancing to an Ornette Coleman record - but I see what he's getting at.

For me, there are no clear frontiers between "folk" and "jazz". Last Saturday night, I was at a ceilidh held to celebrate the 25th birthday of Hexham Morris men. The band (Peeping Tom) finished the evening with a Circassian Circle, danced to "I Got Rythym" and "Puttin' on the Ritz". It worked beautifully - I'm sure George Gershwin would have been pleased (though Fred Astaire might not have approved of some of the stepping).

Wassail!


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Subject: RE: Jazz, anyone?
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 22 Jul 02 - 05:25 PM

Wow!!! My wife and I went away for four days up to Burlington Vermont, (and stuck our toes over the boarder into Canada. When we left there were 3 responss to this thread... I get back and there are 43! I usually like to respond to messages that are posted, but 40 is just too big a list for me. Most of all, I am pleased (and a little surprised) at how many folkies love jazz) I'm not as surprised that people like the old New Orleans, early blues. traditional jazz mixes. That seems very natural to me. Same with singers like Billie Holliday and Hoagy Carmichael. It all flows together for me. I see fewer people mentioning more "modern" (which is now somewhat old-fashioned, being almost old-fashioned musicians like Mulligan, Brubeck, Coltrane, Monk. After all, we ARE folkies. I haven't seen a single mention of any musician (maybe I've overlooked one) who wasn't recording at least thirty years ago. No mention of people like Roy Hargrove, Josh Redman, Cyrus Chestnut and some of the new "Young Lions." There's an interesting CD of Dave Brubeck, playing with some of the current jazz musicians in their twenties.

Just to respond to some folks who have posted on this thread..

Gioc: You mention several of my favorites... Charlie Mungus, Charlie Parker, Thelonius Monk and Ella Fitzgerald. I love the Ella and Louis duet stuff, too. My favorite jazz vocalist is a toss up between Ella and Carmen MacRae. Most of the time, I respond more to Carmen because she often recorded with a small combo, which suits my ears better than an orchestra with strings. But, I love Ella, nonetheless.

Mudlark: I knowwww what you like! Mulligan and Desmond.. remember when they were unlike anything we ever heard. Now, some of those modern recordings are almost fifty years old. We must be even older than that. :-)

C-Flat: I knowww what you like, too... There was a time when I was in college when someone came in my room and looked at my modest collection of l.p.s (which cost $3.98) over here. After flipping through them, he said, "You like guitar, I see..." I had Barney Kessell, Sal Salvadore, Tal Farlow, Jimmy Raney, George Van Epps and even lesser known jazz guitar albums... Lou Monte? (on Blue Note.) I wanted to be a jazz guitarist until I realized that it would take work, and I wouldn't sound good unless I have other musicians to play with. George Van Epps was one of my real favorites because he finger-picked a seven string guitar with the seventh string being a deep bass. He was self-contained. If you haven't heard anything by him, I may have to remedy that situation.

Rick: Thanks for the site! Hey, if I ever get the Messengers up to Canada, we will definitely stop over for breakfast... :-)

Art: And I DEFINITELY know what you like. For most of my life, until I ran across Mudlark, you were the only person I could share my love of jazz with, and we overlap almost completely on the music we love... Thanks for sharing it with me all these years.

Kaleaa: Yes, I love the smattering of recordings that combine early jazz, blues and gospel... To hear someone belting out "Come Over Here" with la tuba in the background really gives me a kick. Frankie, one of my friends in the Gospel Messengers, explained the difference between gospel and juke joint music. In gospel you can jump up and down, but don't move your hips sideways... that's what you do in a juke joint. The difference between Holy and Secular music is all in the hips. :-)

Gargoyle: No surprise to see your list... it's all stuff that Art and I have exchanged, over the years.

Genie: A great list of songs for nursing homes... although I've found that many people in nursing homes think that those vintage songs are too new. I always get a kick out of that... I've gone back to Bicycle Built For Two and And The Band Played On, when that happens.

Bill D: Thanks for the link. When I click the blue clicky it says that the message is dead, but I can still pull up lists. I just got a two CD set of old black gospel and spirituals from 78's from venerable records, and while it's hardly "easy listening" it's fascinating stuff.

Thanks to everyone else who chipped in.

Jerry


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Subject: RE: Jazz, anyone?
From: Genie
Date: 23 Jul 02 - 02:02 AM

Mike of N., In case anyone misunderstood your post, "Puttin' On The Ritz" is Berlin, not Gershwin. ("I Got Rhythm" is G.G.)

Y'know, folks, the thing that makes it hard for me--and maybe some of the rest of you--to state categorically whether I like "jazz" or not is that it's such a BROAD category! I watched the whole 10-hour Ken Burns documentary on "Jazz" and realized that I lot of it (blues, dixieland, swing, jive, R&B, and some improv., etc.) I tend to like--almost any "jazz" that has a strong beat and you can dance to--, but that some of it (e.g., most be-bop and what I call "elevator jazz") leaves me cold or bored.

I guess I like it if it moves me through its rhythm (like Brubeck's "Time Out") and/or the emotional content (like Miles Davis's "Sketches Of Spain"). But if it just seems to ramble all over the place and be rather amorphous, it just turns into background noise for me. To each her own, I guess.

Genie


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Subject: RE: Jazz, anyone?
From: Chanteyranger
Date: 23 Jul 02 - 02:40 AM

Real appreciation for the pure genius Parker and of bop happened, for me, when I listened to the track "Ko Ko." Absolute, unadulterated genius. It may take a few listenings before it kicks in, but when it does....

MikeofNorthumbria, I agree with you on the "feet" portion of that quote. There is a whole body of work that is not meant to be danced to, but to be listened to as intently as any great concerto or operatic work.


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Subject: RE: Jazz, anyone?
From: GUEST,GUEST
Date: 23 Jul 02 - 10:10 PM

Peter Schikele once said, "All musics are created equal." "Jazz" and "folk" are really just labels that the music industry has us use. And when you come right down to it, jazz and folk have at least one common ancestor, the blues. The bluegrass people already know this -- people like Bela Fleck are doing jazzy kindsa things with banjos and it sounds great.

Hey -- take any folk song -- throw in a few major seventh chords, maybe a ninth if it sounds good -- sing it in a breathy kinda voice -- you got jazz. ;-p

By the way, you folk guitarists should check out the book "All Blues for Jazz Guitar" which covers the concept of "fat chords," a whole different way of playing folk....

dan


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Subject: RE: Jazz, anyone?
From: Bull Am
Date: 24 Jul 02 - 04:14 PM

I think that Dan's point is excellent because when one take a good look at the roots and origins of jazz music, it really is just a developed strain of folk music. I simply adore jazz, and although I tend to stick to the 20s, 30s, and 40s, I have a profound respect and amazement for the degree of sheer musical literacy and expertise the genre requires in all (or even most) of its forms. I've posted a message before that hailed Armstrong as one of the most influential performers of the century, and I stand by my conviction that he is one of the first jazz stars, but also one of the first blues/folk champions. Also, I'm absolutely in love with the music and the singing style of Fats Waller...He had a way of tickling the keyboard that sets him in another realm, and I highly recommend any recordings that you can get your hands on. Also, I think that the genre's songwriters were absolutely unparallelled in their genius. Of course, there are greats like Gershwin, Porter, Berlin, Ellington, etc...But also the lesser known contributors: Eubey Blake, John Lewis, Errol Gardner, etc. Jazz is a genre that will stay close to my heart for all of my days.


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Subject: RE: Jazz, anyone?
From: RangerSteve
Date: 24 Jul 02 - 06:55 PM

Count me in as a jazz fan, mostly stuff from the 20's and early 30's. Some occasional big band music too. I especially like James P. Johnson - his "Yamikraw" (I probably spelled that wrong) deserves the same fame as "Rhapsody in Blue", as does the rest of his symphonic jazz.

I'm also a Raymond Scott fan, although there seems to be some argument as to whether or not his music is really jazz.


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Subject: RE: Jazz, anyone?
From: Genie
Date: 24 Jul 02 - 08:06 PM

Dan, ("Hey -- take any folk song -- throw in a few major seventh chords, maybe a ninth if it sounds good -- sing it in a breathy kinda voice -- you got jazz.")

I'm with you. I did this, kinda tongue in cheek, a few years ago with "Wild Mountain Thyme" (using major and minor 7ths, a 9th, and a minor 6th) and told the audience it was "Irish jazz." They loved it. *G*

When I read threads about "three-chord songs" I often cringe at some of the songs that are suggested as being such. I use at least 9 chords in "Home On The Range," including a minor 6th, 3 7ths, and 2 minor 7ths. It's still not what I'd call jazz, but it sure makes for more interesting background and harmony than 3 chords would.

To paraphrase Linda Richman,
Here's a topic: "Improvisational jazz is just 'the folk process' encapsulated in a single musical piece or session." Discuss. (Tawlk amongst yourselves.)

Genie


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