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Lyr Add: Paddy's Lamentation

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Subject: Lyr Add: PADDY'S LAMENTATION
From: Alice
Date: 12 May 98 - 12:57 PM

This song is on the soundtrack for 'Long Journey Home, The Irish in America', a film recently aired on American PBS stations. Mary Black sings Paddy's Lamentation. I have the lyrics for the version she sings in the CD notes, but when I looked in the database, I eventually found another version called 'By The Hush'. I was particularly drawn to this song because General Meagher played a role in Montana history. There is a Meagher county in Montana (we pronounce it Mar) and a Meagher Ave. in a new subdivision (with streets named after counties) of Bozeman. I have heard that houses being built on Meagher Ave. are harder to sell, because people moving here don't want to live on 'meager' street.

Anyway, a statue of General Meagher on his horse, brandishing a saber, stands in front of the state capitol building in Helena. Here is a bit about him quoted from a Montana history book by Michael Malone and Richard Roeder.

"Amidst the chaos of the closing months of the Civil War and the aftermath of Lincoln's assassination, faraway places like Montana were largely forgotten in Washington. Key federal positions in Montana remained unfilled for months. During its first 16 months, Montana had no territorial secretary. Since only the secretary could sign federal warrants, this meant that no federal funds could be spent. .... When a secretary, Thomas F. Meagher, finally arrived in late September 1865, Edgerton hurriedly turned over his duties to him as acting governor and left for the East.... thus after a brief and hectic term, Montana's first chief executive left the scene never to return.

Edgerton's absence led to one of the most chaotic periods in Montana's political history. At the center of the chaos and controversy stood the territorial secretary and acting governor, Thomas Francis Meagher. This colorful character, whose equestrian statue now stands before the state capitol, was a brash adventurer who came here with an international reputation and an appetite for even greater glories. Descended from a wealthy Irish family, young Meagher became a leading figure in the Irish independence movement, a noted orator, and an ally of the famous Daniel O'Connell. He narrowly escaped execution by the British because of his revolutionary activities and was banished instead to the penal colony of Tasmania. After escaping from Tasmania, Meagher came eventually to New York, and he soon rose to prominence there as a leader among the thousands of Irish immigrants in that city. During the Civil War, he became famous as the organizing commmander and general of the Irish Brigade. This hard charging outfit saw fierce action at such battles as Malvern Hill and Antietam...practically annihilated in the suicide charge at Fredericksburg...

During the spring of 1867, attacks by Sioux Indians along the Bozeman Rode touched off a classic panic in Montana. Especially in the well settled Gallatin Valley, the fear spread that the Sioux would sweep westward along Bozeman's route and terrorize the Montana settlements. Although groundless, public fears heightened when John Bozeman himself was killed, reportedly by Indians, along the Yellowstone River in April. Besieged by pleas for military protection, acting Governor Meagher asked for and finally received federal authority to raise a militia force to guard the Gallatin and surrounding areas.

Affairs quickly got out of hand, as they often did in such situations. Meagher raised an army of over six hundred volunteers, heavily staffed with high ranking officers. The army encamped in the Gallatin Valley and along the upper Yellowstone, but encountered very few Indians. By the time the "army" was finally disbanded, to the great anger of some of the troops, who wished to remain on the federal payroll, it had run up bills totalling $1,100,000! Realizing that local merchants had drastically overcharged the militia, the federal government refused to pay the full amount of the bills, and finally settled with local creditors for $513,000. It proved to be a senseless and very expensive "war".

... On July 1, 1867, while in Fort Benton awaiting the arrival of his wife and an arms shipment by steamboat, Meagher mysteriously disappeared from the docked boat on which he was staying. He apparently fell from the vessel during the night and drowned, but his body was never recovered. Whether accident, suicide, or even murder was involved, no one knows to this day. General Meagher remains a hero to the Irish of his homeland, and the thousands of Irish who came to the mining towns of Montana celebrated his memory with the impressive statue that now stands before the state capitol."

Paddy's Lamentation as recorded by Mary Black

chorus
Here's you boys, now take my advice
To America I'll have yous not be comin'
There is nothin' here but war where the murderin' cannons roar
And I wish I was at home in dear old Dublin.

1.Well, it's by the hush, me boys, and sure that's to hold your noise
And listen to poor Paddy's sad narration.
I was by hunger pressed and in poverty distressed
So I took a thought I'd leave the Irish nation.

chorus

2. Well, I sold me horse and cow, my little pigs and sow
My little plot of land I soon did part with
And me sweetheart Biddy McGee I'm afraid I'll never see
For I left her there that morning broken hearted.

chorus

3. Well, meself and a hundred more, to America sailed o'er
Our fortunes to be made we were thinkin'
When we got to Yankee land, they shoved a gun into our hands
Sayin', "Paddy, you must go and fight for Lincoln."

chorus

4. General Meagher to us he said, if you get shot or lose a leg
Every mother's son of yous will get a pension.
Well, myself I lost me leg, they gave me a wooden peg
And by God this is the truth to you I mention.

chorus
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Another note about 'yous' instead of 'you'. In the little town of Walkerville at the Butte mines, people said 'yous' instead of 'you'. When I was in the 4th grade, we had a student teacher who was from Walkerville. He was quite a comic, and would say 'da big cheese' and 'yous' to make us laugh. Quite a break from the strict nuns.

Alice in Montana


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Subject: RE: Add: Paddy's Lamentation
From: Jon W.
Date: 12 May 98 - 01:54 PM

I've got a recording of "By the Hush" by the Woods Tea Co. which I like a lot. They have the first line of the fourth verse as "And one more to us was said, if you're shot or lose your head". I like your version better, Alic, it makes more sense. They also include one more verse, which is something like this:

Now I'd think myself in luck to be fed on Indian buck,
In old Ireland, the land that I delight in.
And the Devil I do say, thrice curse Americay,
For I'm sure I've had enough of your hard fightin'.


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Subject: RE: Add: Paddy's Lamentation
From: Alice
Date: 12 May 98 - 02:17 PM

That last verse you posted or something like it, Jon, I think is also part of the one I read last night in the DT database.

Alice in Montana


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Subject: RE: Add: Paddy's Lamentation
From: O'Boyle
Date: 13 May 98 - 03:14 AM

Alice, I don't like to give people orders, but you have to get a copy of David Kincaid's "The Irish Volunteer; Songs of the Irish Union Soldier 1861-1865" on Ryko. It was released a couple of months ago and features some great folk numbers including "Paddy's Lamentation". Most of the songs mentioning Meagher.

Slainte

Rick


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Subject: RE: Add: Paddy's Lamentation
From: Alice
Date: 13 May 98 - 09:48 AM

Thanks for the tip, Rick.

Alice


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Subject: RE: Add: Paddy's Lamentation
From: Art Thieme
Date: 13 May 98 - 11:46 AM

Folks, I first became aware of this song through the singing of O.J. Abbott of the Ottawa valley (Canada).See his wonderful Folkways LP (Smithsonian Folkways now). I believe that Edith Fowke was the collector who found Mr. Abbott. Ian Robb does it too, I've sung it for years with a banjo.

Art


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Subject: RE: Add: Paddy's Lamentation
From: Art Thieme
Date: 13 May 98 - 12:03 PM

Alice, There is a town in Wisconsin named Edgerton. Very close to Fort Atkinson, Wisconsin named for General Henry Atkinson of the BLACK HAWK WAR (1832) fame---and later in western history when another Fort Atkinson was named for him.

The Black Hawk War is the only war in American history that I know of to be named for an individual!


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Subject: RE: Add: Paddy's Lamentation
From: Alice
Date: 13 May 98 - 12:29 PM

Hi Art, I don't know if this is the same man as Wisconsin's Edgerton, but Sidney Edgerton, Montana's first territorial governor, was an abolitionist from Ohio. Alot of southerners (Democrats) settled in Montana, and the Irish mining immigrants and the Germans were mostly Democrats as well. Montana's first years were at the close of the Civil War, and there was conflict over loyalties as well as racism. When Edgerton, a Republican, won the first election, the legislature, went Unionist (republican) by one vote in the Council, and Democratic by one vote in the House. When Edgerton addressed the legislature, he offended the Confederate veterans and also called former Democratic president Buchanan an "imbecile". When General Meagher came on the scene, he confused matters even more by switching from being a Union Democrat to a Republican, and then back to being a Democrat. He saw that most of the Irish were Democrats, so he knew that was where his political future could be built. The Republicans felt betrayed, and they sent letters back to Washington complaining about Meagher. From the original letters they charged..." he has been in fact drunk nearly every day since coming to the territory" and "that the executive office is a place of rendezvous for the vilest prostitutes and they state the fact publickly [sic] and boast of their profitable intercourse with him" (italics in original letter).

And that is probably more about General Meagher than anyone here wants to know!

alice


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Subject: RE: Add: Paddy's Lamentation
From: Jon W.
Date: 13 May 98 - 01:20 PM

Sounds like Montana had as much trouble with her territorial governors as Utah had with hers. No wonder they wanted statehood.


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Subject: RE: Add: Paddy's Lamentation
From: McGrath
Date: 13 May 98 - 02:10 PM

Mighty stuff lads. It's great to know more about Meagher and his men.
I just love Mudcat and it's people.
Here is a very slightly different version of the same song which I got from the singing of Frank Harte. Full lyrics and a great rendition of the song are on his CD "Daybreak and a Candle-End"

Frank explains on the sleeve notes, "The title of the song is a corruption of an Irish phrase Bí i do thost or be quietwhich in fact is translated in the first line of the song......Well, it's by the hush, me boys and that's to make no noise".

By The Hush Me Boys

Chorus
Here's you boys, now take my advice
To America I'd have you not be comin'
For There's nothin' here but war
Where the murderin' cannons roar
And I wish I was at home in dear old Erin.

Well, it's by the hush, me boys
And that's to make no noise
And listen to poor Paddy's sad narration.
For I was by hunger pressed
And in poverty distressed
So I took a thought I'd leave the Irish nation.

chorus

Well, I sold me horse and plough
My little pig and sow
My father's farm of land and then I parted
And me sweetheart Biddy McGee
I'm afraid I'll ne'er more see
For I left her there in Ireland broken hearted.

chorus

Then, myself and a hundred more,
To America sailed o'er
Our fortunes to be madking we were thinkin'
When we landed in Yankee land
They stuck a gun into our hand
Sayin', "Paddy, you must go and fight for Lincoln."

chorus

General Meagher to us he said
If you get shot or lose your head
Every mother's son of yous will get a pension.
In the war I lost me leg
All I have now is a wooden peg
By my soul it is the truth to you I'll mention.

Now I'd think myself in luck
To be fed on Indian buck,
In old Ireland, the country I delight in.
And the Devil I do say,
God's curse on Americay,
For I'm sure I've had enough of your hard fightin'.

chorus

Thanks again for your wonderful thread contributions.

Frank McGrath
Nenagh Singers Circle


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Subject: Lyr Add: BY THE HUSH ME BOYS (from Frank Harte)
From: McGrath
Date: 13 May 98 - 02:42 PM

Sorry!
I made a right pigs bottom of that last posting. It Should look like this;

Here is a very slightly different version of the same song which I got from the singing of Frank Harte. Full lyrics and a great rendition of the song are on his CD "Daybreak and a Candle-End"

Frank explains on the sleeve notes "The title of the song is a corruption of an Irish phrase Bí i do thost or be quietwhich in fact is translated in the first line of the song......Well, it's by the hush, me boys and that's to make no noise.

By The Hush Me Boys

Well, it's by the hush, me boys
And that's to make no noise
And listen to poor Paddy's sad narration.
For I was by hunger pressed
And in poverty distressed
So I took a thought I'd leave the Irish nation.

Chorus
Here's you boys, now take my advice
To America I'd have you not be comin'
For There's nothin' here but war
Where the murderin' cannons roar
And I wish I was at home in dear old Erin.

Well, I sold me horse and plough
My little pig and sow
My father's farm of land and then I parted
And me sweetheart Biddy McGee
I'm afraid I'll ne'er more see
For I left her there in Ireland broken hearted.

chorus

Then, myself and a hundred more,
To America sailed o'er
Our fortunes to be making we were thinkin'
When we landed in Yankee land
They stuck a gun into our hand
Sayin', "Paddy, you must go and fight for Lincoln."

chorus

General Meagher to us he said
If you get shot or lose your head
Every mother's son of you will get a pension.
In the war I lost me leg
All I've now is a wooden peg
By my soul it is the truth to you I'll mention.

Now I'd think myself in luck
To be fed on Indian buck,
In old Ireland, the country I delight in.
And the Devil I do say,
God's curse on Americay,
For I'm sure I've had enough of your hard fightin'.

chorus

Thanks again for your wonderful thread contributions.

Frank McGrath
Nenagh Singers CircleBy The Hush Me Boys


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Subject: RE: Add: Paddy's Lamentation
From: Alice
Date: 01 Oct 98 - 02:03 PM

refreshing this thread in response to the thread titled "Civil War Ballads" started by Martin Ryan (click here)
Subject: Civil War Ballads
From: Martin Ryan
Date: 30-Sep-98 - 06:46 AM

alice in montana


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Subject: RE: Add: Paddy's Lamentation
From:
Date: 05 Oct 98 - 03:28 PM

Carrying on from Art Thieme's comments above, I think all will find that most versions of "By The Hush" sung today can ultimately be traced to Canadians: O.J. Abbott or Tom Brandon... certainly, they were they first to record it.

It occasionally happens that an exceptional song, on the edge of extinction, reappears and has renewed popularity. The best case in point? "The Leaving of Liverpool" was collected by William Main Doerflinger from Dick Maitland. MacColl & Lloyd got it from Shantymen and Shantyboys. Lou Killen got it from Ewan. Luke Kelly got it from Lou. The Clancys got it from Luke. Otherwise, we wouldn't have it.

Two great songs. Isn't life wonderful!


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Subject: RE: Add: Paddy's Lamentation
From: Rex Rideout
Date: 12 Oct 98 - 08:23 AM

I've been waiting for someone to say when this was written but I get the feeling that the date isn't known. It's a good song and I would like to be able to use it in some of the living history stuff I do.


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Subject: RE: Add: Paddy's Lamentation
From: Liam's Brother
Date: 13 Oct 98 - 08:34 PM

Hi Rex!

After the Civil War, veterans had difficulty in getting pensions. In fact, the special status of veterans in the U.S. dates to a movement which was started after the War by vets to get what they had been promised. In reading the song, I assume that "By The Hush" was written sometime within 10 years of the end of the War.

All the best.


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Subject: RE: Add: Paddy's Lamentation
From: tulletje
Date: 24 Oct 98 - 11:48 AM

Tank you all. I was just about to open a thread to find out the words of this song that I know from the singing of Mary Black on the Album Anthem of DeDanann (1985), but you helped me before I could. Alice, you know a hell of al lot about American history, I think you would make a perfect president of the USA (at least your not bothered by M.Lewinsky's the way she did Bill!)

Bye

Tulletje


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Subject: RE: Add: Paddy's Lamentation
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 24 Oct 98 - 02:27 PM

I've been looking for songs about the Irish in the Civil War, and the subsequent Fenian invasion of Canada (not very successful). Any contributions ecstatically accepted.


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Subject: RE: Add: Paddy's Lamentation
From: Liam's Brother
Date: 25 Oct 98 - 06:03 PM

Hi Dick!

Take a look at the Warner collection, Traditional American Folk Songs. See #14, "The Irish Sixty Ninth."

All the best, Dan Milner


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Subject: RE: Add: Paddy's Lamentation
From: Liam's Brother
Date: 26 Oct 98 - 10:18 PM

TO: DICK GREENHAUS

Hi Dick!

I believe you may have tried to send me a message today. If you did, it didn't work. Please try me at folkmusic@prodigy.net.

All the best, Dan


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Subject: RE: Add: Paddy's Lamentation
From: Paul Harty
Date: 26 Oct 98 - 11:08 PM

A printed version, entitled By the Hush is in the Penguin book of Canadian Folksongs, edited by Edith Fowke. The book cites the singing of O.J. Abbott who learned from a Mrs. O'Malley in the Orttwa valey in the 1880's. The song footnotes cooment that song was not found in tradition in the US and they mention Thomas Francis Meagher as being the leader of the Irish Brigade. The version I sing I got from the singing of Paul Brady on the compilation album, the Gathering.

And to Dick Greenhaus: the first song in the same book is titled A Fenian Song check it out. Bye, paul


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Subject: RE: Add: Paddy's Lamentation
From: Rex Rideout
Date: 29 Oct 98 - 01:08 PM

That was the info I was waiting for. Now I can put a "found" date on it. Thanks Paul

Rex


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Subject: RE: Add: Paddy's Lamentation
From: Alice
Date: 16 Nov 98 - 04:47 PM

refreshed to answer a question on 11/16/98

alice in montana


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Subject: RE: Add: Paddy's Lamentation
From: Alice
Date: 21 Apr 99 - 01:53 PM

refresh


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Subject: RE: Add: Paddy's Lamentation
From: mkaye
Date: 21 Apr 99 - 05:53 PM

In all these messages, I'm surprised noone mentioned the version by Andy M. Stewart. It's the title cut to his 1983 album. Stewart's version makes an interesting contrast with Mary Black's singing on De Danaan's album. He actually uses the lyrics in one of the versions in a previous post, while DeDanaan uses the other version posted.


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Subject: RE: Add: Paddy's Lamentation
From: Abby Sale
Date: 28 Sep 00 - 10:39 AM

Two questions about this fine song:

re the last verse,
Now I'd think myself in luck
To be fed on Indian buck,
In old Ireland, the country I delight in.


Has this any known reference to Irish food? Seems inconsistant for Narrator to be nostalgic for American food...

And, can any give a notion of about how to pronounce the suggested original first line,
Bí i do thost

Thanks


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Subject: RE: Add: Paddy's Lamentation
From: GUEST,Martin Ryan
Date: 28 Sep 00 - 11:26 AM

Try:

be-ih-duh-hust

On the "buck", the reference is proably to maize, used for famine relief. It's not nostalgia, I'm afraid - but resignation.

Regards


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Subject: RE: Add: Paddy's Lamentation
From: Fiolar
Date: 28 Sep 00 - 01:42 PM

A final word on Meagher - In a speech to the Repeal Association in Ireland in 1846 he hailed the sword as a sacred weapon. This lead William Makepeace Thackeray to call him "Meagher of the Sword." M


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Subject: RE: Add: Paddy's Lamentation
From: Alice
Date: 27 Mar 01 - 09:57 PM

Meagher, of the Sword, eh? More about the Irish Brigade is at the link next to General Meagher's picture, Raise The Colors.click here

I finally got around to making and uploading a recording of Paddy's Lamentation (By The Hush, sung by Alice)


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Subject: RE: Add: Paddy's Lamentation
From: radriano
Date: 28 Mar 01 - 11:27 AM

There's a nice version of this song on my band's first cassette recording, A Common Treasury, if I do say so myself. We called ourselves "Out of the Rain."

It's great to get more background information on this song. Go, Mudcat!

Richard


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Subject: RE: Add: Paddy's Lamentation
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 28 Mar 01 - 02:38 PM

An odd thing I've noticed in several songs is the non-rhyming versions that often seem to be the earliest found. In By the Hush, the non-rhyme of 'To America I'd have ye not be coming......stayed at home in dear old Erin" sounds to my urban present-day ears like a goof (should be "I'd have ye not be farin'". Similarly, in Leaving of Liverpool, the last line of the chorus seems that it should be "...my darling when I think of thee.." to rhyme with "...united we will be." It's a single-source song, though, and Maitland sang "....when I think of you."

Any thoughts on whether the collected versions are mis-remembered descendents of earlier ones, or if the song's composer wasn't as hung up on rhymes as some of us (including me) are?


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Subject: RE: Add: Paddy's Lamentation
From: beachcomber
Date: 28 Mar 01 - 03:21 PM

Yes , Meagher of the Sword, as he was known was a native of Waterford in Ireland. Funnily enough we are all quite proud of him hereabouts. Still we must accept that he "took a drink now and then"


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Subject: RE: Add: Paddy's Lamentation
From: Alice
Date: 28 Mar 01 - 04:24 PM

I can't remember where I heard or read this, but I recall someone saying that it was more common for immigrants to refer to their county or locality (Dublin) as home rather than the country of Ireland.


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Subject: RE: Add: Paddy's Lamentation
From: Liam's Brother
Date: 28 Mar 01 - 04:34 PM

When you read a bit about Thomas Francis Meagher (Mar-her), you come to realize that he was not the kind of person that people were ambivalent about - he elicited strong feelings, you either loved or hated the man. Therefore, it was written that he was drunk at Antietam and, conversely, that his horse was hit by enemy fire. Either, certainly could be true; perhaps both were the case. He was sending his men into slaughter and probably needed a drink, and it was common practice to shoot at officers in hope of disabling them and causing confusion in enemy ranks.

Similarly, when T. F. Meagher died in Benton, Montana after the war, there was more than one story. The official version is that he was suffering from a fever and fell overboard into the Missouri River from the riverboat on which he was staying. Opposing "true" stories say he was drunk and plunged overboard or that he was murdered by Southern sympathizers who were opposed to his governmental policies in Montana.

[I have a few broadsides about Meagher and will be doing a bit of a story on him for Irish Music magazine in the future. Two songs mentioning him are on the new Folk-Legacy CD, "Irish in America."]

Dick - What constitutes a rhyme in Ireland is different than what constitutes a rhyme in England (or the United States). Martin Ryan, John Moulden and many others could explain far better than I. As far as "The Leaving of Liverpool" is concerned, it was only collected from tradition by Bill Doerflinger so all the other versions you've heard are post-1951 and reflect a modern need to rhyme. Personally, a long conversation I had with Lou Killen on this topic leads me to suspect that Luke Kelly may have been the person who started using "thee" instead of "you." Also, an Irish emigration song, "The Leaving of Limerick" or "The Leaving of Ireland," collected rarely may have been the forerunner of "The Leaving of Liverpool." It uses "you" instead of "thee" as well. (Thanks to Tom Munnelly who put me in touch with that information.)

All the best,
Dan Milner


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Subject: RE: Add: Paddy's Lamentation
From: Brendy
Date: 28 Mar 01 - 06:02 PM

Hope this works!!!:
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Recorded 'Paddy's Lament' a couple of times, in various guises and incarnations, one of which is here (among others)

The tuning is DAFDAD

B.


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Subject: RE: Add: Paddy's Lamentation
From: Brendy
Date: 28 Mar 01 - 06:05 PM

Didn't work (the text, that is) It was meant to say hello etc., in Chinese.

So much for that!!

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Subject: RE: Add: Paddy's Lamentation
From: MartinRyan
Date: 28 Mar 01 - 06:46 PM

Liam's brother is on the right track, OK, as far as rhyming is concerned. To an Irish ear the war/mur/roar assonance in the chorus is probably more important than the end-of-line rhymes. Some of the Gaelic scholars among us can probably explain why (WRM - is Annraoi still about?).

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Subject: RE: Add: Paddy's Lamentation
From: Alice
Date: 27 Mar 02 - 11:14 AM


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Subject: Lyr Add: PADDY'S LAMENT
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 27 Mar 02 - 10:25 PM

Lyr. Add: PADDY'S LAMENT

I'm sitthin' on de stbile, Molly, wid a grape shot in my leg,
It's mighty bad de pain is, and I cannot sthir a peg!
Och! I wish I was at home now wid you in Killybig,
Along wid all de spalpeens and de owld cow and de pig!

When Dan O'Connell was alive I bellowed for Repale,
Of de UNION of owld Ireland- but we fought and we did fall,
Now FOR Union I am fighting, and what is my reward?
Why a grape shot Molly, in my calf, which is uncommon hard!

Och! de Rebels dey are savages to sarve poor Paddy so,
For I'm afraid on crutches I must hereafter go,
And when I come back, Molly, to you and to de pig,
I don't think I'll be able to dance the Irish jig!

I wish I was in Ireland and sitthing side by side,
With you. as gay and jolly as when you were my bride,
At home with a shillelagh in a scrimmage I'd delight,
But 'tis different when with bayonets and grape shot that I fight.

Well, goodbye, Molly darlin'- but when peace returns once more,
I'll gladly tread once more again owld Ireland's blessed shore,
And, if 'tis upon crutches I'll dance you a jig,
And we'll be happy wid fe cow and de spalpeens and de pig.

John Ross Dix, published 1864 by Ch. Magnus, New York. From American Memory: Memory
Click on search and enter "Paddy's Lament" to find the songsheet.


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Subject: RE: Add: Paddy's Lamentation
From: GUEST,guest - bigmon kentucky
Date: 08 Jun 02 - 09:29 PM

Hello, I heard this song on a radio broadcast from the 'Thistle and the Shamrock' back in the early-mid 80's. I have always been haunted by it, as the artist's name I did not catch. The arrangement started with a female a'capella, then one or two instruments were added on each chorus. Would anyone have any idea who might have had recorded that arrangement around that time? There was no harmony vocals, but I tell you that voice was beautiful and needed no music. Any help would be appreciated....

One more thing - The reference to Mary Black and the album Album Anthem of DeDanann (1985)... could this be the one I heard?


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Subject: RE: Add: Paddy's Lamentation
From: Brían
Date: 08 Jun 02 - 10:57 PM

There is a darn good chance that Mary Black was the version you heard, because that was the version I remember hearing on The Thistle & Shamrock way back in the 80's.

Brían


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Subject: RE: Add: Paddy's Lamentation
From: GUEST,bigmon
Date: 31 Jul 02 - 11:54 PM

anybody know where I can get a copy of DeDanann "Anthem" CD? Not able to find it so far...


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Subject: RE: Add: Paddy's Lamentation
From: Alice
Date: 01 Aug 02 - 01:01 PM

Bigmon, your description sounds like Mary Black's version. I recorded it all solo voice unaccompanied, the link to audio file is further back in this thread.

ALice


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Subject: RE: Add: Paddy's Lamentation
From: Alice
Date: 31 Oct 02 - 12:17 PM

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Subject: RE: Add: Paddy's Lamentation
From: David Ingerson
Date: 01 Nov 02 - 12:29 PM

A fine song it is. Now that I see the words for the first time I see I've included some mondagreens in my version. One of them I think I'll keep: Oh the devil I would say got his claws in Americay!

But my version, which I got--I'm at work now and depending totally on 15-year-old memory--from a guy who was some sort of archivist for the RTE folk collection (?)--I'll look up his name when I get home--has this line in it "...and all I've now is a wooden peg, and on my soul, it is the Devil's own invention." I can't see how it's a mondagreen. I'll listen to the tape again but in the meantime, anyone out there heard that line before? I rather like it, myself.

David


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Subject: RE: Add: Paddy's Lamentation
From: David Ingerson
Date: 04 Nov 02 - 11:58 AM

I got the song from Finbarr Boyle (sp?) at the Willie Clancey Festival in 1985. I listened to my tape again and for sure he sings "And on my soul it is the Devil's own invention."

I rarely go back to my notes, transcription, or tape once I have memorized a song and made it my own (stylistically speaking). I don't know if it's laziness or narcissism, but I often find I've folk-processed it in some way. In this case I folk-processed my mondagreen! My transcription reads "Oh the Devil I would say got his [instead of "God's"] curse on Americay." But now I sing "got his claws in A..." I have no idea how that happened or where it came from. curious and curiouser.

Has anyone else heard the "Devil's invention" line? Or is that Finbarr's invention?

David


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Subject: RE: Add: Paddy's Lamentation
From: Declan
Date: 04 Nov 02 - 12:04 PM

David,

You've spelled Finbarr's name correctly (but not Willy Clancy's!)

Finbarr is a great collector of songs and I'd say his version would be as authentic as anyone elses. Variants of many traditional and folk songs exist and this looks like a perfectly good one to me. As far as I know Franke Harte, who's version would have been the source for many of the other recordings mentioned here, including May Black's, sing "The truth to you I mention", but I think the "Devil's own invention" is every bit as good (if not even a better) line in this context.


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Subject: RE: Add: Paddy's Lamentation
From: GUEST,Ard Mhacha
Date: 04 Nov 02 - 12:25 PM

My nephew always one for a wee bit of sleggin`, dropped me in Sinead O`Connor`s new CD and knowing how an oul cynic like me is not overly fond of the O`Connor woman,but I have to houl my hands up and say, she sings "Paddys Lamentation" like an angel.
This CD although it sounds like it was recorded in the Aliwee Caves is good,so "Paddys Lamentation" by the Bishop O`Connor is well worth a listen. Ard Mhacha.


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Subject: RE: Add: Paddy's Lamentation
From: GUEST,pavlina
Date: 04 Nov 02 - 12:48 PM

hiya
   please do you know anybody correct guittar chords for paddy's lamentation?i just addore this song,but i'm not able to find the right chords.thank you for help
                                                 pavlina (prague)


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Subject: RE: Add: Paddy's Lamentation
From: Declan
Date: 04 Nov 02 - 01:05 PM

Pavlina

If you go to the top of this thread to the list of linked threads and click on the first one, and follow the links from there you'll find a set of chords for this song.


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Subject: RE: Add: Paddy's Lamentation
From: David Ingerson
Date: 04 Nov 02 - 06:00 PM

Thanks, Declan, for your added information and well-considered opinion (and for the gentle correction!). My spelling has always been attrocious atrotious atrocious whatever.

David


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