MUDCAT CD VII: Silver Songs At Daybreak!

Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD VII: Silver Songs At Daybreak!
From: Amos
Date: 02 Aug 02 - 09:52 AM

I was gonna use it, LEJ -- I mean, I just love it, personally, but..well, the lyrics are hard to understand, with the lead singer playing noseflute and all. And once I got them figured out, I thought they were a little bit, how do you say, over the top? So I'm using your equally incredible version of "Barney's Song" instead if you don't mind....

A

Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD VII: Silver Songs At Daybreak!
From: MMario
Date: 02 Aug 02 - 10:00 AM

Is that the Barney's song as arranged for flatulence and zither? or the version with glockenspiel and kazoo?

Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD VII: Silver Songs At Daybreak!
From: Art Thieme
Date: 02 Aug 02 - 10:06 AM

Amos----I trust you will solve the problem getting stuff from tapes.

Art

Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD VII: Silver Songs At Daybreak!
From: Amos
Date: 02 Aug 02 - 10:20 AM

Art:

Sure thing! I can get it over ok -- I am just working out how to do it with the minimum of hiss. It's easier to run the analog signal through an equalizer I borrowed fromt he family stereo, rather than running the digital file through filters on the computer. In any event they'll sound beter than Cisco Houston.

Not to to worry!!

Love y'all,

A

Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD VII: Silver Songs At Daybreak!
From: Art Thieme
Date: 02 Aug 02 - 06:01 PM

And we you, sir.

Art

Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD VII: Silver Songs At Daybreak!
From: Amos
Date: 03 Aug 02 - 02:14 PM

Thanks, Art! Made my day, you did!

A

Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD VII: Silver Songs At Daybreak!
From: Celtic Soul
Date: 03 Aug 02 - 02:35 PM

Why not have 2 (or 3?) different sets of 3ish cd's each? I know I'll definitely kick out for all, but if some would rather not spend as much at one time, a choice of one or another of many would make that possible.

Amos? I think I would have to ask that my band get credit on the cover. If it's my handle alone, it doesn't really give credit where credit is due. I am only one of 6, after all.

I cannot *wait* to hear this thing (these things???). That is one impressive list of artists *and* songs.

So, Amos m'friend! What's the ETA????

Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD VII: Silver Songs At Daybreak!
From: Amos
Date: 03 Aug 02 - 04:01 PM

CS:

Roger that -- Band it shall be.

ETA? Sigh...it depends on several things. I am waiting to hear from Max, but he was supposed to be discussing lofgistics with Dick, and Dick is on travel at present. On the technical side I am going through the tapes now, getting the selections on to Minisdisk and thence to computer, but it's a bit of a slow process, and I am juggling a significant number of 3D deadlines and honeydews on top.

I would say a couple of months. I will sit down and do a scheduel review and see if I can move that forward some. In our original plan we were aiming for release in early September. That's out of range now. Partly because I had to shift a lot of that time over to work overtime.

So now we are probably looking at Thanksgiving for all the loose ends to be rounded up, logistics, normalizing the files, final build for at least Disk One or Set One, and working out the distirbution channel. I hope this isn't too disappointing to anyone, but I am trying to be realistic in a universde dedicated to Foobaring in multiple dimensions simultaneously.

Very best,

A

Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD VII: Silver Songs At Daybreak!
From: Amos
Date: 03 Aug 02 - 06:19 PM

Folks, I owe Willie-O an apology -- I have several of his beautiful MP3s downloaded for the CDs, and missed it when compiling the table. His "Spring on the Mississippi" will surely be there, although I am torn by "Anna Grace" as well. Both first-class stuff!

A

Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD VII: Silver Songs At Daybreak!
From: alanabit
Date: 04 Aug 02 - 03:41 AM

I was a bit surprised to see "Firelight" as a preferred track. I've no complaints, I love doing it, but I have always thought that it was an average song redeemed by Markus's brilliant arrangement. It's just that it's the only personal song on the album - and very much the sort of thing which frequently gets a hammering from Mudcatters who (often for very good reasons) distrust singer/songwriters. You have heard a lot of other artists though, so you have a clearer picture of what sort of texture the album will eventually have. Only a few songs can make it to final selection anyway - and it's a privelege to take part. From what I have heard of other 'Catters so far, I want a copy anyway!

Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD VII: Silver Songs At Daybreak!
From: GUEST,IanB, cookieless
Date: 04 Aug 02 - 03:49 AM

So, who was the mystery singer, if it wasn't Genie?

It was, of course, Jeannie!!!!

- Ian B

Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD VII: Silver Songs At Daybreak!
From: Jeanie
Date: 04 Aug 02 - 04:21 AM

Yes, lest there be no doubt, the mystery genie is me !

- jeanie

Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD VII: Silver Songs At Daybreak!
From: Amos
Date: 04 Aug 02 - 10:27 AM

Hiya, Jeanie! Nice job on that disk -- apologies for the confusion!

A

Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD VII: Silver Songs At Daybreak!
From: Genie
Date: 04 Aug 02 - 09:37 PM

Glad we got that cleared up! Can't wait to hear it, Ian and Jeannie!

Genie

PS,
MMario, "...the Barney's song as arranged for flatulence and zither..." ? I gotta hear that one! LOL

Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD VII: Silver Songs At Daybreak!
From: harpgirl
Date: 04 Aug 02 - 09:43 PM

..is it too late to send a tape, Amos? Wehre do I send it?

Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD VII: Silver Songs At Daybreak!
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Aug 02 - 10:21 PM

Just want to go on record of saying "Thanks, Amos, fir all the work you've put in this project" So.... ahhh... thanks, Amos, fir all the work you've put in this project.

Looking forward to hearing all these folks...

Bobert

Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD VII: Silver Songs At Daybreak!
From: khandu
Date: 04 Aug 02 - 10:35 PM

alanabit,

"Firelight" is an excellent piece of work, and excellently done! I am not at all surprised at Big A's choice to use it. It shows that Amos has taste!

khandu

Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD VII: Silver Songs At Daybreak!
From: Amos
Date: 05 Aug 02 - 02:27 AM

Harpgirl:

PMing you the address.

A

Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD VII: Silver Songs At Daybreak!
From: Cappuccino
Date: 05 Aug 02 - 02:05 PM

Khandu, I think the only problem Amos had with Alanabit's CD is picking one track - they're all super. Anyone out there who hasn't got one - get it!

And, I might add, Jeannie has still got mine and hasn't returned it...

- IanB

Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD VII: Silver Songs At Daybreak!
From: Amos
Date: 05 Aug 02 - 10:03 PM

Hey!! Susan of California just sent in a lovely CD she and her husband put together called "Would You?".

All righty, then, you strays and dogies -- hustle on down, and run 'em up the chute!! Yeeeeeeee haw!

Before ya know it, Mick's spud will collapse, and the gates will swing to and the train pull out and ya wouldn't wanna not be on it, now wouldja?? Hmmm?   Hmm?

Just as I thought!!! :>))

Best regards,


A

Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD VII: Silver Songs At Daybreak!
From: Celtic Soul
Date: 05 Aug 02 - 10:39 PM

Hey Amos...that time frame is awesome, frankly!! I was really expecting to see "Spring" or the like. And in any case, if it were a year from now, that's great. You're doing a hell of a lot of work, and no one can begrudge your need to take care of home and hearth as well.

Thanks for all the hard work and effort.

Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD VII: Silver Songs At Daybreak!
From: Celtic Soul
Date: 05 Aug 02 - 10:39 PM

Hey Amos...that time frame is awesome, frankly!! I was really expecting to see "Spring" or the like. And in any case, if it were a year from now, that's great. You're doing a hell of a lot of work, and no one can begrudge your need to take care of home and hearth as well.

Thanks for all the hard work and effort.

Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD VII: Silver Songs At Daybreak!
From: Amos
Date: 05 Aug 02 - 10:43 PM

Wow!! Double double acknowledgements, from a top drawer chanty-singing sweety at that!! Shiver me timbers, Pyrate Lass! :>))

A

Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD VII: Silver Songs At Daybreak!
From: Chip2447
Date: 06 Aug 02 - 12:22 AM

Good work Amos, Thus far anyhoos, and thanks for giving this the ole college try. Where do I sign up to contribute to Volume TWO...

Chip2447(thinking that The Mudcat isnt quite ready for his Ocarina arrangements)

Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD VII: Silver Songs At Daybreak!
From: Amos
Date: 06 Aug 02 - 12:42 AM

Hell, Chip, send that Ocarina Octet for four hands along anyway -- we'll squeeze it in right next to LEJ's 35-minute arrangement of "Little Known Moody Blues Foxtrots" and make an early-bird bonus out of it, whattya say??

A

Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD VII: Silver Songs At Daybreak!
From: Sorcha
Date: 06 Aug 02 - 12:55 AM

That means Cleigh could participate!!! Blow it out your ass, Cleigh!! Whooooppppeeee!!!!

Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD VII: Silver Songs At Daybreak!
From: Genie
Date: 06 Aug 02 - 01:02 AM

Amos, you are indefatigable! (Comes from still being such a young pup, I guess.)

¤;- D

Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD VII: Silver Songs At Daybreak!
From: Amos
Date: 06 Aug 02 - 01:27 AM

OPINIONS SOLICITED

One option which is available is to put the entire collection on a disk in MP3 format. This means they could only be played on a device such as a computer which could handle playing MP3s, but that an ordinary audio CD player would not be able to play the songs. The tradeoff is you woud get the whole collection on a single disk. two at most.

Alternative is to create audio CDs which any CD player can play (including most computer CD-play applications). These are limited to about 20 songs or 70 minutes to a disk. We have somewhere between 60 and 90 tracks to offer, so you can see from the math that quite a few disks are involved.

If we continue with the plan for audio CDs, there is no reason we cannot offer the MP3 Disk as an alternative.

In that case I would design the first 2 audio CDs as a set, choosing the best representative cross section and get it into distribution, followed by the second 2-CD Set later on. If we go over 80, a third round might be needed.

Your opinion is invited as to which you, personally, would find the most appealing for your own enjoyment: a large number of MP3 files on one disk. or an audio CD set.

Speak now while the options are open!!

Very best regards,

Amos

Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD VII: Silver Songs At Daybreak!
From: GUEST,karen k
Date: 06 Aug 02 - 01:51 AM

I opt for the audio set. Have no way to play MP3's. I hope you'll choose "When the Rain Comes A-Tumbling Down" for my selection. Will there be accompanying notes on the songs. This song definitely needs an explanation and a little more than what I sent you with teh tape. Thanks for all you are doing. I can't wait.

k

Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD VII: Silver Songs At Daybreak!
From: Callie
Date: 06 Aug 02 - 03:13 AM

Hi Amos

First - a big thank you for all your effort, and just want to let you know that we're all squealing with excitement at this end to be included.

Second - regarding format: most folkies I know tend to favour cds to downloading from the net. I know this throws up issues of "too many songs" (never thought I'd use those words!). Is there any reason both couldn't be made available?

thanks again

Callie

Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD VII: Silver Songs At Daybreak!
From: alanabit
Date: 06 Aug 02 - 03:27 AM

I would like to see an audio CD. As I suggested in my PM a few days ago, there may well be other 'Catters who are willing to send money up front to order copies. That is one possible way of paying for the first pressing - which would be higher quality. The other thing is that if some sort of cultural exchange does come off, (something that has been mooted on other threads) the CD will be a good way of presenting ourselves to potential backers.

Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD VII: Silver Songs At Daybreak!
From: MMario
Date: 06 Aug 02 - 08:46 AM

The data set (mp3's) is relatively easy to do - so go with the audio set and when possible offer the MP3 CD as an alternative.

Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD VII: Silver Songs At Daybreak!
From: Barbara Shaw
Date: 06 Aug 02 - 08:57 AM

My preference would be to have one audio CD set which would be representative of the Mudcat, and also have all the mp3's available on the Mudcat on-line. That way, people can download the mp3's on their own and convert them to audio if they wish to burn their own CDs, or can just listen to a track if they see a post from someone they'd like to hear.

Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD VII: Silver Songs At Daybreak!
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 06 Aug 02 - 11:22 AM

I'd vote for the audio. I listen to CDs as I drive, a lot.

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD VII: Silver Songs At Daybreak!
From: Dharmabum
Date: 06 Aug 02 - 11:57 AM

I vote for the CD's,but I'm OK with whatever the final decision is.

DB.

Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD VII: Silver Songs At Daybreak!
From: Willa
Date: 06 Aug 02 - 12:56 PM

I'd prefer CD's, please, Amos

Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD VII: Silver Songs At Daybreak!
From: Stephen L. Rich
Date: 06 Aug 02 - 01:11 PM

Audio CD's will have one big advantage that MP3's may not. An audio CD will make it easier to get all of that wonderful music into the hands of the general public.

Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD VII: Silver Songs At Daybreak!
From: Cappuccino
Date: 06 Aug 02 - 02:46 PM

CD first, please.

- Ian B

Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD VII: Silver Songs At Daybreak!
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 06 Aug 02 - 03:55 PM

Barbara's idea is good if it can be done. Release a CD, but also have a link to an MP3 page, like the photo page.

Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD VII: Silver Songs At Daybreak!
From: Amos
Date: 06 Aug 02 - 04:01 PM

Looks like we are in favor of audio CDs as a first line of product.

As regards MP3s, making one disk of all MP3s available would also add to the Mudcat coffers, which is why we're doing all dis, ya??

A

Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD VII: Silver Songs At Daybreak!
From: Amergin
Date: 06 Aug 02 - 06:33 PM

yeah I prefer the audio cds....but i think it would be a good idea to do the mp3s as an alternative to those who want it....

Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD VII: Silver Songs At Daybreak!
From: Barbara Shaw
Date: 06 Aug 02 - 07:16 PM

Well, one of the reasons for doing this is to get to hear each other. The audio CDs could be sold to mudcats as well as the general public, thus helping the mudcat financially. MP3s would not be as commercially interesting, so they could be made available online to members only! (Yahoo groups have options available only to members, such as photos, databases, etc.)

Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD VII: Silver Songs At Daybreak!
From: Sorcha
Date: 06 Aug 02 - 07:57 PM

I don't really care about the format but I thought part of the point was for Mudcat to make some $$$. If you do MP3 that won't happen. I personally can't afford to buy more than 2 at a time but I would eventually buy them all. MP would be nice because I would listen at my computer, but the speakers are not loud enough to hear anywhere more than 4 feet from the computer and I can't as yet burn CD's. Burning your own seems like ripping off Max anyway. He has provided this forum and opportunity; seems only fair he should get something back.

Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD VII: Silver Songs At Daybreak!
From: Tweed
Date: 06 Aug 02 - 08:33 PM

I vote for CD's too, Amos. As for storing mp3's on Mudcat, I believe Max would need a couple more servers to hold them all. These things take up enormous amounts of space. Can't see 'em but they sure do suck it up quick.

Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD VII: Silver Songs At Daybreak!
From: Amos
Date: 06 Aug 02 - 08:43 PM

What I was proposing was to offer an alternative shippable CD containing MP3s for those who want them. Not downloadable freebies, which as has been said kinda defeats the fundraising aspect of the effort.

Okay!! You shall have your wish for audio CDs!!

But no wand-waving will be used. Just a little more time and sweat. OK?

LOL!!

OK!! Close to 100 posts, so let's put all the rest of the dialogue over on Section VIII: Azure Morning Tunes.

See ya there!

A

Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD VII: Silver Songs At Daybreak!
From: Genie
Date: 07 Aug 02 - 02:35 AM

I'm afraid you've lost me in the techno-jargon, since I am a (relative) cyber-newbie. I can play MP3s via several porgrams, especially RealPlayer, but I'd really like to have CD's to play when I don't wanna bother lugging my laptop around.

I can scrape together some SS to buy 2 or 3 Mudcat CDs, especially if it'll help Max keep the kat in catnip.

Genie

PS, Amos, I nominate you for sainthood for this project!

(Oh, wait...you're not Catholic...)

Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD VII: Silver Songs At Daybreak!
From: MMario
Date: 07 Aug 02 - 09:15 AM

pssst! Genie - other denominations have Saints as well - and some other religions have the equivilant. so you can still nominate him.

Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD VII: Silver Songs At Daybreak!
From: Amos
Date: 07 Aug 02 - 09:35 AM

Hey guys!!! I'm not sure I'd want to be an icon in any panoply of Saints which would have me as a member -- except maybe that New Orleans ball club! :>)

Now be good and put the rest of the traffic over on Section VIII: Azure Morning Tunes, okay?

Thanks for the sanctification, anyway -- I'll figger out some way to put it to good use!! LOL!

A