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Tune Req: Planxty Joe Burke
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Subject: Planxty Joe Burke From: Alice Date: 29 Jul 02 - 10:24 PM I've been searching the net with search engines and abc tunefinders trying to find a gif of the notation for Planxty Joe Burke. No success. Does anyone have it? I already have a recording (the one by Anam). Alice |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Planxty Joe Burke From: GUEST Date: 30 Jul 02 - 12:09 AM No Carolan tunes with "Joe" in them. Sir Ulrick, Sir Festus, Lady Laetitia, Thomas, Isabella, and just Planxty Burke. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Planxty Joe Burke From: Sorcha Date: 30 Jul 02 - 12:11 AM Could it be this one? |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Planxty Joe Burke From: Alice Date: 30 Jul 02 - 12:24 AM thanks for looking, Sorcha, that's not it. I did look at all the Carolan Planxty tunes I could find with the Burke name before I posted this question. This seems to be perhaps an arrangement of something Anam came up with. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Planxty Joe Burke From: Declan Date: 30 Jul 02 - 05:16 AM Joe Burke is a well known box (accordeon) player from Galway and although he's not as young as he once was, he definitely wasn't around in O'Carolans time. I'm not familiar with the tune recorded by Anam, but I suspect that its a modern composition and its name is a sort of pun on the fact that there is a Planxty Burke and a box player of the same name, or else its a harp tune that they decided to call after Joe because they didn't have the correct name - which happens all the time with traditional tunes. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Planxty Joe Burke From: Alice Date: 30 Jul 02 - 09:32 AM Yes, I know Joe Burke is a box player, alive and well. The notes on the recording say the tune is traditional. The info is confusing. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Planxty Joe Burke From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 30 Jul 02 - 10:13 AM It was written by Charlie Lennon, I think. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Planxty Joe Burke From: Noreen Date: 30 Jul 02 - 10:22 AM You're right, Malcolm (as always). It appears on Liz Doherty's Last Orders, where she says: The Swan (Hornpipes) |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Planxty Joe Burke From: Noreen Date: 30 Jul 02 - 10:36 AM A short clip of Anam playing it in Real Audio is here Click on 6 for Planxty Joe Burke I know that's not what you want, Alice, but we may be getting closer? If Anam do say it's traditional they're very careless... I'd say it must be a very recent composition. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Planxty Joe Burke From: Alice Date: 30 Jul 02 - 10:40 AM Thanks for the correct source being Charlie Lennon. Is this definitive? Does anyone else have additional facts? |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Planxty Joe Burke From: Sorcha Date: 30 Jul 02 - 10:40 AM Aren't there people here who can make dots from soundfiles? Could you make a recording and see if someone can transcribe it? |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Planxty Joe Burke From: Noreen Date: 30 Jul 02 - 10:52 AM Here's a review of ANAM - First Footing JVC 9011-2 which credits Charlie, and a very detailed playlist Radio National/The Planet Playlists which gives: 1648 CD CUT 6, "PLANXTY JOE BURKE"
I would have thought this tecnical info was copied from the CD? What additional facts are you looking for, Alice? |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Planxty Joe Burke From: Noreen Date: 30 Jul 02 - 11:17 AM Liz Doherty reference mentioned above: Liz Doherty's Last Orders I've downloaded the tune from the playing of a young Danish group flax in bloom , and could transcribe it to dots if you can't find it elsewhere, Alice. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Planxty Joe Burke From: Alice Date: 30 Jul 02 - 12:18 PM Thanks, Noreen, I just had a cassette of Anam without the cover and had found "traditional" on some web site selling the CD, so thought that was from the CD notes. Additional facts... has it been recorded by Charlie Lennon and Joe Burke? I just searched discography on the internet and could not find a recording by them, which I think would be great to have if it exists. Noreen, I'd be very grateful if you could transcribe it for me. Thanks very much. Alice |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Planxty Joe Burke From: MMario Date: 01 Aug 02 - 09:42 AM X:1 T:Planxty Joe Burke C:transcribed by Noreen I:abc2nwc M:2/2 L:1/8 Q:1/4=142 K:G |:|:B,3/2A,/2|G,3/2A,/2B,3/2C/2 D3/2G/2F3/2G/2| C3/2G/2F3/2G/2 B,3/2G/2F3/2G/2|G,3/2A,/2B,3/2C/2 D3/2G/2F3/2G/2| c3/2B/2A3/2G/2 F3/2A/2d3/2c/2|A3/2B/2B3/2c/2 d3/2G/2F3/2G/2| C3/2G/2F3/2G/2 B,3/2G/2F3/2G/2| (3GAG F3/2G/2 B3/2A/2G3/2F/2| G3/2D/2B,3/2D/2 G,2:| |:d3/2c/2|B3/2c/2 (3dcB e3/2d/2c3/2B/2| A3/2B/2 (3cBA d3/2c/2B3/2A/2|G3/2A/2B3/2G/2 c3/2B/2A3/2G/2| F3/2G/2E3/2F/2 D3/2C/2B,3/2A,/2|G,3/2A,/2B,3/2C/2 D3/2G/2F3/2G/2| C3/2G/2F3/2G/2 B,3/2G/2F3/2G/2| (3GAG F3/2G/2 B3/2A/2G3/2F/2| G3/2D/2B,3/2D/2 G,2:|:| This is what I got from the noteworthy file. I haven't reconverted Noreens above back to hear it yet - but will compare it against the noteworthy soon. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Planxty Joe Burke From: MMario Date: 01 Aug 02 - 10:14 AM Between the two versions the biggest difference appears to be that somehow one or the other changed an octave. (I don't know the conversions well enough to be able to tell which went which way)
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Planxty Joe Burke From: Noreen Date: 01 Aug 02 - 11:32 AM Practising with my new abc2nwc shareware (much easier than what I was doing before): X:2 |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Planxty Joe Burke From: Sorcha Date: 01 Aug 02 - 11:46 AM I am sooooooo impressed with people who can write down notes by listening! I can sort of play by ear, but can't transcribe at all. Good on ya, Noreen! |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Planxty Joe Burke From: Alice Date: 01 Aug 02 - 12:27 PM thanks very much. Now I just need to get my abc for Mac to work so I can convert it. So far all I get is errors. Noreen, much appreciated. Alice |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Planxty Joe Burke From: Alice Date: 01 Aug 02 - 12:55 PM Still no luck with my abc software. Can someone convert it to a gif and email the notation to me? Sorry to be a bother. Alice |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Planxty Joe Burke From: Sorcha Date: 02 Aug 02 - 11:05 AM I'll try, Alice. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Planxty Joe Burke From: Sorcha Date: 02 Aug 02 - 11:14 AM e mail on its way, Alice. Let me know if it is readable. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Planxty Joe Burke From: MMario Date: 02 Aug 02 - 11:14 AM Sorcha - if you don't have any luck - I can do it but will need an e-mail address for Alice. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Planxty Joe Burke From: Noreen Date: 02 Aug 02 - 05:11 PM You're welcome :0) I enjoyed working it out- it's a lovely tune of Charlie's, and I'd be tempted to learn it on the concertina if the range wasn't so great- don't think I've got enough buttons! Alice, you can download a free trial version (that's all I've got) of Noteworthy Composer from the net; I could then e-mail you the NWC file and you'll have the dots directly. (Far more accurate transfer than via ABC, I'd imagine.) I should say also, that the notated rhythm is only an approximation of the hornpipe rhythm (which is almost impossible to notate accurately); but close enough, particularly if you've already heard it played. Noreen |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Planxty Joe Burke From: Alice Date: 02 Aug 02 - 05:46 PM I have Melody Assistant that I purchased for my older Mac, which is having some system conflicts right now, so I've been using my iMac backup which doesn't have notation software. Some day I'll move a copy of the Melody software to the iMac, too. Great tune, and Charlie deserves some PayPal money emailed to him for use of it. Thanks for the dots, Sorcha. Alice |
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