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Lyr Req: Joyful Joyful (from film: Sister Act)

T Oakley 15 May 98 - 12:03 AM
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Subject: I can't believe they don't exist
From: T Oakley
Date: 15 May 98 - 12:03 AM

Lyrics to the rap version of Joyful Joyful on Sister Act II (ASCAP 4000159011 sung by Fugees and St. Francis Choir together).. Any ideas where I can find them?


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Subject: RE: I can't believe they don't exist
From: Alice
Date: 15 May 98 - 01:15 AM

Rap? Well, you won't find it here.


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Subject: RE: I can't believe they don't exist
From: Alice
Date: 15 May 98 - 01:20 AM

A Yahoo search with the keywords "lyrics movie sister act two" came up with lots of sites. One is a Whoopie Goldberg site with lyrics. You might find it there.


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Subject: RE: I can't believe they don't exist
From: alison
Date: 15 May 98 - 07:22 AM

hi,

wasn't it just the usual lyrics to "Joyful joyful' (ie Beethoven's "Ode to Joy") souped up a bit. It's a long time since I saw the movie but that's what I remember.

Slainte

Alison


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Subject: RE: I can't believe they don't exist
From: Bill D
Date: 15 May 98 - 10:54 AM

there was an old Mutt & Jeff cartoon...Li'l Jeff is on his hands & knees under a streetlight, and Mutt asks him what he is doing...Jeff says "I lost a silver dollar" Mutt gets down and helps him look for awhile...then asks "Are you sure you lost it around here?" "Oh", says Jeff, the lights much better here."

We are bright here, but this is a FOLK site!!


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Subject: RE: I can't believe they don't exist
From: Alice
Date: 15 May 98 - 11:09 AM

If you haven't found Joyful, Joyful, We Adore Thee, yet, you can find the lyrics with a midi at the following location

http://www.antioch.com.sg/well/music/joyfuljo.htm

Like Alison, it has been a long time for me since I saw the movie, so I don't remember if they 'fiddled' with the words to change it to rap.

Alice


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Subject: RE: I can't believe they don't exist
From: Joe Offer
Date: 16 May 98 - 02:04 AM

Now, now, maybe it isn't folk, but we are the best songfinders anywhere. At least we can provide a link, can't we? T. Oakley, click here and have a great time.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: I can't believe they don't exist
From: Alice
Date: 16 May 98 - 09:44 AM

Joe, I found that page when I was searching before, and it made my Netscape crash. Tried it again, and this time it just wouldn't load. Did you really find different lyrics to Joyful, Joyful, than the ones at the 'antioch' link?

Alice


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Subject: Lyr Add: JOYFUL JOYFUL
From: Joe Offer
Date: 16 May 98 - 04:41 PM

OK, Alice, you asked for it:
Joyful, Joyful
(Based on "Ode to Joy" from Beethoven's 9th Symphony)
("What have you done for me lately" written by James Harris III and Terry Lewis)
(Addition rap Lyrics by Ryan Roby)


Joyful Joyful lord we adore thee
God of glory lord of love.
Hearts unfold like flowers before thee
Healthy as the sun above
Melt the clouds of sin and sadness
Drive the dark of doubt away
Giver of immortal Gladness
Fill us with the light, fill us with the light, oh fill us, with the light of day.
Joyful Joyful lord we adore thee
God of glory lord of love.
Hearts unfold like flowers before thee
Healthy as the sun above.
Melt the clouds of sin and sadness
Drive the dark of doubt away
Drive it away
Giver of immortal gladness.
Full us, fill us with the light of day.
Light of day
(RAP)
Check one!
Joyful Joyful lord we adore thee
And in my life I've put none before thee
Cause since I was a youngster I came to know
That you was the only way to go
So I had to grow and come to an understanding
That I'm down with the king
So now I'm demanding
That you tell me who you're down with see
Cause all I know is that I'm down with G.O.D.
He down with G.O.D
Yeah you know me
He down with G.O.D.
Yeah you know me
He down with G.O.D
Yeah you know me
He down with G.O.D.
Everybody!!
Come and join the chorus
The mighty, mighty chorus
Which the morning stars began
The power of love is right before us.
By the way, what have you done for him lately
ooooh yeah
What have you done for him lately.
He watches over everything, so we sing
Joyful Joyful lord we adore thee
God of glory lord of love.
Hearts unfold like flowers before thee
Healthy as the sun above
Melt the clouds of sin and sadness
Drive the dark of doubt away
Drive it away.
Giver of immortal gladness
Fill us
Fill us with the light day, oh fill us
Fill us
Oh we need you, yes we do , fill us
Fill us
Hey yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah oh.
Fill us
With the light of day lord
Fill us
Fill us with the light of day
Light of Day!


You want the MIDI, too? The MIDI is zipped, so you have to unzip it before you can play it.
The devil made me do it....
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: I can't believe they don't exist
From: Alice
Date: 16 May 98 - 07:40 PM

Joe, you rascal, you.


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Subject: RE: I can't believe they don't exist
From: Will
Date: 16 May 98 - 07:47 PM

You know, I kind of like it.


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Subject: RE: I can't believe they don't exist
From: Joe Offer
Date: 16 May 98 - 08:05 PM

Will, you can't admit that sort of thing out loud in a folk music forum. You have to moan and groan and act like it's a great burden for you to have to listen to such drivel..... And NEVER mention the names of those pseudofolkies, Peter, Paul, and Whatshername. It's just not done here.
-Joe Offer, feeling mischievous-


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Subject: RE: I can't believe they don't exist
From: Will
Date: 16 May 98 - 08:26 PM

Ah, Joe, it was just a whisper. I figured the fiddle was playing so loudly that no one would hear.


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Subject: RE: I can't believe they don't exist
From: Alice
Date: 16 May 98 - 08:27 PM

Rap.... call it folk poetry set to music, just don't call it singing.

Has anyone checked lately to see how many rap forums there are?

-alice, also feeling mischievous-


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Subject: RE: I can't believe they don't exist
From: mischievous
Date: 16 May 98 - 08:42 PM

...and it feels SO good!


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Subject: RE: I can't believe they don't exist
From: Bill D
Date: 18 May 98 - 10:06 PM

was it Elsie who said.."If you keep feeding stray kitties, they will keep coming back."?
Bill D...(feeling his usual hidebound, purist self) ;-)

Joe...if the devil makes you do it, you obviously need a healthy dose of purification!! For your penance, play about a hundred of these


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Subject: RE: I can't believe they don't exist
From: Bill D
Date: 18 May 98 - 10:44 PM

wow!! I just went back and read the original "What is folk music" thread
http://www.mudcat.org/thread.CFM?threadID=2224

There was a lot said then, and some of it pretty eloquently. Elsie had some interesting ideas, and I forgot how many she had actually expressing some agreement.


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Subject: RE: I can't believe they don't exist
From: Joe Offer
Date: 18 May 98 - 10:58 PM

Now, Bill, we non-purists have behaved ourselves quite well since Elsie stopped flaming us, don't you think?
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: I can't believe they don't exist
From: Tim O'K
Date: 19 May 98 - 09:04 AM

Hey Kids! Let's start another thread to define folk music!

Rap is, or will be some day, folk music, even though it's not my folk music.

And Alice, rap is defintely singing. It is words sounded with pitch, tone, and rhythm, there's no question of that.

Does anybody remember the opening number in the musical "The Music Man?" All the salesmen were on a train and they rapped to the rhythm of the wheels. It had to be the first rap song ever. I was in that show and that scene about ten years ago and I remember it as one of the most difficult and challenging songs I've ever sung. We had entire rehearsals devoted to that one number.


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Subject: RE: I can't believe they don't exist
From: Bill D
Date: 19 May 98 - 09:55 AM

ummmm...Tim...lets not & say we did...

Joe...*looking sternly*... sin is sin!! *grin*...besides, there are NEW sinners every day who need to hear the message! Elsie seems to have retired to the mountains of N.Mexico, but her words must never be forgotten!


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Subject: RE: I can't believe they don't exist
From: Alice
Date: 19 May 98 - 12:04 PM

Tim, I am well aware of the score of the Music Man. You must be listening to different rap than what I have heard on Mtv. It has rhythm, yes, but what I have heard is not singing. I didn't say it's easy to do. I also think talkin' blues style is poetry set to music (did I start a debate with that statement, too?)

Still being mishievous, I guess. Alice .


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Subject: RE: I can't believe they don't exist
From: Alice
Date: 19 May 98 - 01:47 PM

Yikes. I'm really asking for it with that last statement. To clarify, what I mean is, TALKING is talking and SINGING is singing, and they are different. Some styles like rap and talkin' blues have lyrics that are deliberately written to be spoken, not sung. Even in opera, as in musicals, one can find lines and lyrics that are spoken along to the music. But my point is, speaking is not singing, and rap is meant for the most part, to be spoken, not sung, even though there are parts that may be sung and there is music played with the words.

Some great comedic additions to music have been the 'patter' that goes along with a song.

alice


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Subject: RE: I can't believe they don't exist
From: Tim O'K
Date: 19 May 98 - 03:35 PM

Yo Diggity Alice!

I know what you mean, but all the rap I've heard, and I've heard a lot, is done in that sing-song style that is by now familiar to all, and it's not spoken, and it's not just shouted, although it can sound that way. I really think it is singing.


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Subject: RE: I can't believe they don't exist
From: Bert
Date: 19 May 98 - 04:15 PM

I've always thought of rap as chanting, but don't ask me to define the word.

I thought it was great when Billy Cotton was doing it back in the late Forties, but this modern stuff is too severe for me.

Bert.


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Subject: RE: I can't believe they don't exist
From: Will
Date: 19 May 98 - 06:22 PM

Bill, it probably was Elsie who said "... If you keep feeding stray kitties, they will keep coming back.?"

And look how many interesting stray conversations that they start. It'd be a less interesting world if all we had to talk about was well-fed house-broken sleepy cats.


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Subject: RE: I can't believe they don't exist
From: Bill D
Date: 20 May 98 - 01:04 PM

Will, yep....but there is supposedly an Irish curse to the effect of "May you live in 'interesting' times"


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Subject: RE: I can't believe they don't exist
From: Will
Date: 20 May 98 - 09:53 PM

Actually, I always heard that it was a Confucian curse. But the Irish have had more than their share of interesting times.


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Subject: RE: I can't believe they don't exist
From: Bill D
Date: 21 May 98 - 01:11 PM

well, a search turned up this
seems someone has already done the research...


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Subject: RE: I can't believe they don't exist
From: Jerry Friedman
Date: 22 May 98 - 01:16 PM

Incidentally, rap started as entertainment at parties. It was performed by often untrained (but skilled) people using homemade instruments who made up the words, the music, and the style as they went along. They recognized no canon or definitive versions and often no copyright, but they learned and stole a lot from each other. Thus rap started as FOLK MUSIC. (Of course, now most of it is commercial pop.)


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Subject: RE: I can't believe they don't exist
From: Will
Date: 22 May 98 - 08:58 PM

Great stuff, Bill. I really like the longer version of the curse. "May you live in interesting times and come to the attention of important people". Truly universal.


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Subject: RE: I can't believe they don't exist
From: Bill D
Date: 22 May 98 - 11:11 PM

*grin* maybe that's why some songs WERE 'anon'...due to their subject matter, the authors didn't WANT to "come to the attention of important people"


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Subject: RE: I can't believe they don't exist
From: Art Thieme
Date: 23 May 98 - 12:59 AM

If you wanna get to heaven, Lemme tell ya how to do it,
Grease your feet In little mutton suet (different from mutton Jeff)
Slide out of The devil's hand,
An' ooze over, In the promised land,
Go easy,
But go greasy!
(RAP SONG--"The ORIGINAL Talkin' Blues" from singing of Chris Bouchillon)

Listen to Oscar Brown Jr.'s "Signifyin' Monkey"

Listen to Nat Cole's "Straighten Up & Fly Right"

Listen to street corner trash talk.

Listen to NBA trash talk.

Listen to Oscar Brown's "Bid 'em In".

Listen to Brer Rabbit rappin' at Brer Fox as he gets out o' yet another trap set for him.

Watch football end zone acrobatics & strutting. (visual rap if I ever saw it!)

Listen to "The Dirty Dozens"!!

Listen to Roy Inman & Ira Rogers & Mose Allison & Willie Dixon & the great Sparky Rucker...

Yeah, seems to me rap has been here a long, long, long time.

That's how H. Rap Brown got his name...

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: I can't believe they don't exist
From: Tim Jaques tjaques@netcom.ca
Date: 25 May 98 - 06:51 PM

Yes, and Rocky Road To Dublin started out as folk too, and then the Rolling Stones covered it.:)


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Subject: RE: I can't believe they don't exist
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 25 May 98 - 09:05 PM

Art- You mentioned "Signifying Monkey". Could you post some (I don't think ANYBODY knows all) of it?


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Subject: RE: I can't believe they don't exist
From: Art Thieme
Date: 25 May 98 - 11:49 PM

Dick,

Sorry, I don't have it. But I do remember it fondly!

Art


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Subject: RE: I can't believe they don't exist
From: Joe Offer
Date: 26 May 98 - 12:26 AM

Well, here is a RealAudio cut of Signifyin' Monkey as recorded by Oscar Brown Jr. Apparently, it's available on CD at www.tunes.com. I also found an obscene variation on the recitation, but y'all have to find that on your own. I didn't like that one.
-Joe Offer-


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