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Mudcat Cafe: New Folk Music Porn Site?
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Subject: RE: Mudcat Cafe: New Folk Music Porn Site? From: Peg Date: 13 Aug 02 - 03:43 PM I am not sure what was said by Amos in his last thread that he would feel uncomfortable about saying to me in person...I can't find anything. I don't think I am overly sensitive or prudish about this sort of thing, and my position is a unique one, being a feminist, a pagan (we tend be to open-minded about sex) and, as a stripper, a former sex industry worker...that said, THIS FORUM is intended for adults, and those adults tend to engage in non-musical discussion as often as they do in musical discussion. I do agree that "dirty jokes" do indeed stem, however innocently, from the very source Kendall mentioned...and that the same is true for "good-humored" jokes having to do with race, ethnicity, religion or sexual orientation, that is, they come from a place of fear/hatred/disrespect. I will reiterate, my objection to the afore-mentioned thread was its insuitability for Mudcat, as well as its (whether intentional or not) voyeuristic and somewhat perverse suggestion. I mean, do people really think a discussion of THAT is appropriate here??? And talking about men's beards does NOT constitute an equivalent or balanced discussion to the afore-mentioned one. ...and RichM, I know you are joking and I certainly don't take offense at your referring to what I have freely admitted and discussed here in the past, but your comment is not helping this situation, is it? (I also wish the GUEST would identify him or herself). peg
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Subject: RE: Mudcat Cafe: New Folk Music Porn Site? From: RichM Date: 13 Aug 02 - 03:38 PM Relax, Mick. No one person can patrol the internet effectively. Have a cool one, play a song, tell a joke. |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat Cafe: New Folk Music Porn Site? From: GUEST Date: 13 Aug 02 - 03:37 PM Right--we get it smallpiper. We just have to let the boys be boys, and take whatever they dish out. Hey guys--any of you who find holding women in such contempt, counted the number of ladies contributing to this and the "feminine shaving" thread? This isn't just "offensive" subject matter. You are being abusive, hateful, ugly, and mean. And enjoying the fact that you have such power over others. This is the moral equivalent of road rage, and you know it. |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat Cafe: New Folk Music Porn Site? From: Big Mick Date: 13 Aug 02 - 03:37 PM Now.............see, children. This is how you play into the troll/flame game. This "GUEST" has sucked you in, again, to a discussion of petty crap, instead of an issue. It's like this. The thread is not in very good taste, and it is offensive to some, myself included. If it were in my power to delete it, I would. But that is not my call. Now.........quit feeding this bitter person. For once, GUEST has a decent point, but you should not lose sight of the fact that a busted clock is right twice a day. This persons real agenda is to damage this site. Don't feed the trolls. Let this be the last post, eh? (wishful thinking on my part) Mick |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat Cafe: New Folk Music Porn Site? From: smallpiper Date: 13 Aug 02 - 03:32 PM now now chldren there is no need to be offended or to become offensive, just ignore things that upset you, use the BS filter but don't impose your censorship on the rest of the clan and I would suggest that people who post "would be offensive threads" use the same sensitivity as I am suggesting the offended use. Lets just let people be people. |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat Cafe: New Folk Music Porn Site? From: GUEST,Muddy Pussycat Date: 13 Aug 02 - 03:31 PM Meow! |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat Cafe: New Folk Music Porn Site? From: GUEST Date: 13 Aug 02 - 03:19 PM What a sick pervert you are. |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat Cafe: New Folk Music Porn Site? From: RichM Date: 13 Aug 02 - 03:14 PM Well, no... what I'd rather ask her to do is dance like she did in de ol' days..... ;) Rich |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat Cafe: New Folk Music Porn Site? From: GUEST Date: 13 Aug 02 - 03:11 PM Amos, do you suppose if started a thread titled "BS: Shaved Pussy Jokes" it wouldn't offend nearly everyone who reads this forum? How about you put it to the test for me, as it most certainly would be deleted by the Joe Clones in heartbeat if it was posted by an anon guest. Like I said, I'm an easy target. Would you really sit down in 3D life with Peg, and say what you just said straight to her face? |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat Cafe: New Folk Music Porn Site? From: Little Hawk Date: 13 Aug 02 - 03:11 PM I couldn't even figure out what that thread was about until Peg posted to it...the word "tonsorial" had me thoroughly confused. - LH |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat Cafe: New Folk Music Porn Site? From: RichM Date: 13 Aug 02 - 03:05 PM don't be offended if you are a "humorless prude". It takes all kinds to make a world :) .... All I ask is that you accept the internet for what it is: an anarchic discussion forum, not subject to anyone's individual likes or dislikes. Now I suggest you write a song about it, and post it to this forum. Songs are a sacred cow, aren't they, and shurely not subject to censorship, shurely??? |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat Cafe: New Folk Music Porn Site? From: Amos Date: 13 Aug 02 - 03:01 PM It is an entirely different thing to attack ad hominem than it is to discuss topics that may or may not be interpreted, construed, translated and altered into "offense". The taking of offense is a personal choice. One of the subtexts here is that as an open forum, one does not attack the individuals, but for the rest it is pretty much open discussion. The reasons for taking offense at some topic or other are entirely too variable, and oftimes wholly inexplicable. Sometimes, offense is taken, for example, when one's own vanity is revealed, or a practice mentioned in jest that one has one's own secrets about. I will never attack a member who contributes here in good faith, but I find it awfully dicey to start promising not to offend anyone -- in fact, I see no benefit in open discussion of general topics, in pussyfooting around. If individuals are involved, then it is a different matter altogether and I will try not to step on toes. I would even go so far as to say that I am offended by certain kinds of preciousness and oversensitivity offensive, amongst fellow humans who all pretty much share the same parts and mechanisms and fallibilities, but I would never dream of censoring them, or letting myself be censored in exchange. It just wouldn't make much sense to me. A |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat Cafe: New Folk Music Porn Site? From: GUEST Date: 13 Aug 02 - 02:52 PM Sorry, I cut myself off there. But I was nearly done anyway. I was just going to say I also understand it is easy enough to get carried away with what starts out innocently enough. But I really don't think this is the sort of thread that most Mudcatters want to have in the forum, is it? BTW kendall, I too would agree with your friend and your ex. |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat Cafe: New Folk Music Porn Site? From: GUEST Date: 13 Aug 02 - 02:48 PM Obviously, it was the thread title I found IMPOSSIBLE to avoid, opened the thread, and had my worst suspicions confirmed. I don't disagree with Big Mick's interpretation that paddymac was attempting to tongue-in-cheek comment on the recent proliferation of tasteless, sexist threads a la "Womanly jiggles" etc which were mostly started by a person or people posting with guest appellations. I took note of the fact that a number of Mudcat members have posted a few faint objections in the form of jokes or "get back at" threads (ie the Men's Stubble thread) too. What I'm asking people to consider here isn't that we censor anything. Rather, I saying that if on the one hand, everyone is comfortable with censoring personal attack threads here, why no threads which a whole group of members (ie most women and a lot of the men) takes personally as being offensive, is tolerated. Please, try to just think about where it leads the forum itself if we start defending and contributing to "shaved pussy" threads, and attacking the people who object to them as humorless prudes. I undertand it is the dog days of August, people are bored, |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat Cafe: New Folk Music Porn Site? From: kendall Date: 13 Aug 02 - 02:41 PM My friend, Marshall Dodge, who studied humor seriously came up with this observation: The foundation of the dirty joke stems from a basic disrespect for women. My ex wife agreed, and she was seldom wrong in such matters. (No, that was not tongue in cheek) |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat Cafe: New Folk Music Porn Site? From: Clinton Hammond Date: 13 Aug 02 - 02:40 PM This place needs an Off Topic posting area soo bad it feckin' hurts! And Moderators who will dcelete garbage and spam... Just like any other Message Board worth it's salk on the net...
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Subject: RE: Mudcat Cafe: New Folk Music Porn Site? From: MMario Date: 13 Aug 02 - 02:39 PM which is pretty obvious from the thread title. VERY easy to avoid. |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat Cafe: New Folk Music Porn Site? From: GUEST,Pretty Damn Disgusted Date: 13 Aug 02 - 02:34 PM MMario, it is the one I recently saw a guest refer to (in a different thread) as "the shaved pussy thread." |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat Cafe: New Folk Music Porn Site? From: MMario Date: 13 Aug 02 - 02:28 PM I haven't found it yet - |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat Cafe: New Folk Music Porn Site? From: GUEST,Pretty Damn Disgusted Date: 13 Aug 02 - 02:23 PM Midchuck, Mrrzy, and Jack the Sailor, I appreciate I am an easier target than Peg and Big Mick, so go ahead and find fault with me if you will. But I think you are ignoring the feelings and sensibilities of your fellow members at your own risk. |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat Cafe: New Folk Music Porn Site? From: Bill D Date: 13 Aug 02 - 12:45 PM dear Guest... I 'sort of' agree with you....I could explain the sociological phenomenon involved, but I type slowly, and it would talk a LONG time to do it justice....let it suffice to say that Mudcat has become a 'community', rather than just a music discussion board, and there will ***always** be stuff in a community that does not please all members. The job of 'censor' is a delicate one...we have several censors who err on the side of caution, which suits me fine.....and I am getting pretty durn good at not opening threads that I know I will not appreciate.... |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat Cafe: New Folk Music Porn Site? From: artbrooks Date: 13 Aug 02 - 12:15 PM Troll alert |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat Cafe: New Folk Music Porn Site? From: Mrrzy Date: 13 Aug 02 - 11:25 AM Yeah, I seem to be missing it too. I like the going into an unlocked dinner party analogy, too! My Mom did that once, kind of... we were visiting friends in Paris and when we got to their floor, we couldn't recall their apt.#, so Mom knocked on one door and I knocked on the other. Before our friends came out of the door I knocked on, someone had opened the other and Mom just walked in and started introducing herself... I started laughing so hard I couldn't help get her out, I just said something like She's Loose! to the friends who had to go in and fetch her. It was hysterical. But she didn't complain about the decor, at least! |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat Cafe: New Folk Music Porn Site? From: Jack the Sailor Date: 13 Aug 02 - 11:22 AM Dear Petty Dam disgusted, Where is this porn????? Hubba hubba!!!! Geeeeeeeeeeezzzzz Lighten up willya?????
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Subject: RE: Mudcat Cafe: New Folk Music Porn Site? From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Date: 13 Aug 02 - 10:56 AM I don't know which thread you're referring to. My guess it that it is one of the ones starting with the "BS". IF it is, then one of the best ways so you do NOT see these is to take the recommendation given months ago. Use as your URL: http://www.mudcat.org/threadsnot.cfm?Title=BS&Age=4 This gives you all the messages without the infamous BS back as far as 4 days. Since I started using it, Mudcat is so much more fun to use. |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat Cafe: New Folk Music Porn Site? From: Big Mick Date: 13 Aug 02 - 10:50 AM There are very few times that I agree with you on what should or shouldn't be here on The Mudcat. That the offending thread should be deleted is one of these things. It offends me, and I won't post to it. Knowing the history of the person who started it, I am sure it was meant to be a tongue in cheek commentary on other threads, but it offends me nonetheless. Mick |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat Cafe: New Folk Music Porn Site? From: Midchuck Date: 13 Aug 02 - 10:45 AM I have no problem with an open forum, where non-members have equal ability to post with members. It results in a lot of crap being posted, but it makes things more interesting. But the idea of a guest claiming the right to be the censor of the forum, makes no damn sense at all. It's like me being invited to dinner at someone else's house - or, more accurately, walking in uninvited because the door was unlocked - and starting to chew out the owners because the pictures on the walls were in bad taste. Give me a f***ing break, for S***'s sake! Peter. (Who only shaves his face, and neglects that on weekends.) |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat Cafe: New Folk Music Porn Site? From: RichM Date: 13 Aug 02 - 10:26 AM Think of it as material for potential songs---proto-songs if you will.
As at any Internet site, you are your own best censor.
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Subject: RE: Mudcat Cafe: New Folk Music Porn Site? From: Peg Date: 13 Aug 02 - 10:19 AM I agree.
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Subject: Mudcat Cafe: New Folk Music Porn Site? From: GUEST,Pretty damn disgusted Date: 13 Aug 02 - 10:11 AM OK--so the Joe Clones have no problem deleting "offensive" threads which target individual members. So what standard is being followed regarding these proliferating threads discussing female genitalia with no relation to folk and blues music? Now, before everyone comes flying at me, let me say I'm not a prude, and I don't favor censorship. I do favor honest, open and MATURE discussion of the sexual aspects of folk and blues music, of which there is plenty. But much of the sexual content of the music is pretty dark and violent too. All the more reason to have some reasonable standards for discussion here, I would think. But I tell you what, I am damn fed up with logging in here only to see yet another titillating sex thread. My unsolicitied opinion on the recent proliferation of these threads, is there are adult sites you can go to talk about these subjects. Is it really necessary to discuss it here?
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