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Subject: For Ladies Only From: GUEST,One More For the Road Date: 13 Aug 02 - 07:44 PM So ladies, how DO you feel about the song RichM linked to in the DT that has the c*** word in it? How do you feel about the recent spate of threads discussing women's jiggles and women's shaved genitalia? And if you truly are offended by this recent behavior by the Mudcat men, do you feel free to make your opinions known publicly in the forum, or do you fear backlash? Do you consider the above thread content to be "adult" content which is both acceptable and welcomed? Do you feel personally demeaned by it when you log in and see thread titles such as this, or do you just feel such subject matter belongs in a different, more appropriate internet forum than this one? Finally, as one Mudcat lady today did point out, this website claims to be appropriate reading for children on the homepage? Do you feel this subject matter is congruent with a website offering it's forum as appropriate reading material for all ages? I think your Mudcat fellows need to know how you feel about it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Ladies Only From: harpgirl Date: 13 Aug 02 - 07:55 PM ...my dear Guest. I must say before this thread also disappears due to your antisocial approach to the politics of sex; as a long time member of this community, my friends here no exactly how I feel about such threads. However, I do not need you to direct me to engage in divisive rhetoric. (I am quite capable of doing so, albeit accidently on my own.) This is an antisocial approach to your feeling left out of this community and being ambivalent about behaving in a prosocial manner so as to be accepted and taken seriously and nothing more, in my view. hg |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Ladies Only From: GUEST,Just Amy Date: 13 Aug 02 - 08:15 PM If you don't like Muscat, you don't have to read it. Simple |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Ladies Only From: Amos Date: 13 Aug 02 - 08:21 PM Ladies, Spoken like the smart, gracious, tough-minded two-fisted mild-mannered and clear-eyed creatures you are; thanks for your perspicacity, wit and balance on which so much depends! And for not being buffaloed by a rabble-rousing pissant agent provocateur. Tip of the hat to you all!! A |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Ladies Only From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 13 Aug 02 - 08:22 PM I think guest is just tryying to maske trubble and we suold ignore him PS i am sure it is a man because i werk in a curry ship and it is always men that make trubble. |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Ladies Only From: smallpiper Date: 13 Aug 02 - 09:16 PM some of those threads were started by women! |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Ladies Only From: Ebbie Date: 13 Aug 02 - 09:28 PM Sorry, John, I disagree- my guess is that GUEST is a woman. (And my guess, along with three dollars, will buy me a latte) I suggest to GUEST that anonymously urging Mudcat women to speak up is deplorable. What da matta you! |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Ladies Only From: michaelr Date: 13 Aug 02 - 09:33 PM John - are there any sea shanties about curry ships? ;-) Michael |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Ladies Only From: Celtic Soul Date: 13 Aug 02 - 09:45 PM OK...first things first. My opinion about what other people do and say is exactly that...my opinion. If I share it, however, it will at least be with my name attached. Secondly, is the content child friendly in this forum? Not a chance...which is why my daughter is not allowed in here (or *any other* chat site on the internet, for that matter). Third, my actual opinion. I think some of what you mention just *might be* offensive to me. That's why I manage my *own* usenet/internet life. If I don't want to read it... I don't read it.
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Subject: RE: BS: For Ladies Only From: Amos Date: 13 Aug 02 - 09:48 PM I faintly remember one -- something about : "C'mon you curry sailors, |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Ladies Only From: michaelr Date: 13 Aug 02 - 09:57 PM Good one, Amos!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Ladies Only From: GUEST Date: 13 Aug 02 - 10:00 PM Purely for discussions sake, here is the song RichM provided the link to. THE YELLOW ROSE OF TAEGU She's the yellow Rose of Taegu, the girl that I adore. Her cunt it smells like cock juice; she's a good two-dollar whore. You may talk to me of Seoul girls or whores from Tokyo, But the yellow Rose of Taegu beats them all, I'd have you know. Now I was shipped to Taegu; I didn't want to go, But the Chinks came down from Chuko, and I left old Tokyo. I landed from an LST; I was left there all alone, But the yellow Rose of Taegu made me feel right at home I didn't want to shoot a gun and that is certain sure. I didn't want to go on line; I'd rather stayed with her. They handed me an M-1; it made me nervous more. The only person I wanted to shoot was my little Taegu whore. She was a young and charming girl; her age was scarce sixteen She took me in and she kicked out a sailor and marine. She had no titties on her chest; that didn't bother me, For what she had between her legs was big enough for three. She liked to play the army way, she damn near broke my back, My thoughts turn back to her each time I have to tote my pack My back she broke; my prick she bent; my balls were hollow too, But I put calluses on the cunt of my Rose from old Taegu. I don't care much for GI food, the weather or the work I don't care much for the Chinks, up in those hills they lurk I don't care much for frozen ears, the colds, the flu, the shits I'd trade it all for a dose of clap from the girl without any tits. I' going back to see her some bright and sunny day I'll go AWOL, or on sickcall; I'll get there any way, I'm sure to get my balls shot off if I stay here on line, But if my Rose can fuck them off, well, that'll suit me fine. From The Erotic Muse, Cray Collected by Cray from a mimeographed sheet, Japan 1953 @parody @army @America @Korea @bawdy @whore filename[ YLLOWTX4 Tune file : YELLOWTX |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Ladies Only From: X Date: 13 Aug 02 - 10:03 PM "Shiver me timbers" |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Ladies Only From: truer sound Date: 13 Aug 02 - 10:26 PM Its a document. It most likely captures the exact mindset of many GI's in that time and place. I'll accept the crudeness and language for the same reason I'll accept racial slurs in songs from the Deep South (USA) from the days of reconstruction (Post Civil War) or before: thats the way the world was at the time. Also, I'd agree that Parents should be the judge of what their children are viewing and not trust a site's front page alone for accurate information on the content. Regulate your own and your childrens intake. |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Ladies Only From: Bobert Date: 13 Aug 02 - 10:32 PM Hey, lady Catters, Iz here to say that you'll never hear me talkin' about women's anatomical parts 'cause, accordin' to my wife P-Vine, I don't know a danged thing about them... Not too sure what she means by that, but heck, she tells me she's a lot smarter than me, so what's a man to do? Nevermind... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Ladies Only From: Amos Date: 13 Aug 02 - 10:41 PM Well, Bobert, one of these hyar visotors who don't need no steenkin' badges can help you recover yer lost edumacashun right smart!! I bleeve he/she kin spell up to four letters, too! A |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Ladies Only From: Big Mick Date: 13 Aug 02 - 11:19 PM FELLA's............let us butt out. This ain't our discussion. These women do NOT need our help here. Just lurk..........sorry for busting in, but felt that it had to be said......back to just reading it...... Mick |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Ladies Only From: GUEST,KingBrilliant Date: 14 Aug 02 - 04:17 AM Addressing the original questions: Don't particularly like the song, but that's not imoportant & on another day & another mood I might like it a lot - so I wouldn't want to censor it. Jiggles & shaving threads I can also take or leave according to mood. Certainly not offended by them. Not afraid to make my feelings known if I were offended - no point being afraid to say anything (though also not afraid to assume the Guest cloak if I want anonymity & can't see why I shouldn't neither!!!!) Yes its what is normally termed "adult humour" I reckon. And how the hell would I feel personally demeaned by such? Were I to feel demeaned it would only be by something I had done or written that I subsequently regretted. What is all this about feeling demeaned by other people's conversation?? Victim mentality or what!!! As to suitability for kids - no less suitable than the real world environments I've taken Hammerite to since she was a baby - ie pubs, festivals, parties etc with plenty of diverse people chatting unrestrainedly. I feel strongly that as a parent I should never expect other people to moderate their speech/actions just because I've brought my kid into the group - its up to me to explain things & put them into perspective later. Mudcat is not a moderated forum - so work it out for yourself what the content is likely to veer toward at times.......- I'm happy for Hamm to visit mudcat so long as she observes her usual internet rules of not giving out any personal information & as long as she's happy to discuss the content with me. So now my fellow 'cats know how I feel... Kris |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Ladies Only From: Mrs.Duck Date: 14 Aug 02 - 06:13 AM Personally I find the use ot the term "chinks" far more offensive than the C word! |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Ladies Only From: GUEST Date: 14 Aug 02 - 07:32 AM Mrs. Duck, does this mean you are comfortable being called a cunt by men in general conversation, and wouldn't feel demeaned? |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Ladies Only From: GUEST Date: 14 Aug 02 - 08:02 AM Don't be stupid! The lady didn't say it was not offensive, merely that the other term was more so. |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Ladies Only From: GUEST Date: 14 Aug 02 - 08:40 AM I think the women in this thread are capable of speaking for themselves, and don't need others answering on their behalf. I understand if Mrs. Duck isn't comfortable answering the question. While the women contributing to this thread do seem to be tip-toeing on egg shells about this subject, they do at least seem to be reading this thread. Myself, I think Jon Freeman's new folk music forum has opened it's doors for business. I'm sure it will take some time for it to get off the ground, but I think it will be very successful. It will be moderated, it will be an on-topic forum, and because Jon is the consummate gentleman (very different from Max) women will be able to contribute without being demeaned and debased like they are in this forum, in my view. |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Ladies Only From: GUEST,KingBrilliant Date: 14 Aug 02 - 09:30 AM eggshells? what? who? And how do you know who's female & who isn't around here if the name is not obviously female??? Kris (bemused [or maybe not paying enough attention]) |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Ladies Only From: GUEST Date: 14 Aug 02 - 09:36 AM Kris, male and female styles of communication are very easy to pick up if you have trained yourself to know the differences. It is also easy to discern people's discomfort with subject matter, even on the internet. Again, if you have trained yourself to be sensitive to those communications factors, people's posts become transparent pretty quickly. |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Ladies Only From: GUEST Date: 14 Aug 02 - 10:09 AM Ah - I'm afraid I'm oblivious to the nuances. On internet as in real life I'm afraid. Never mind - ignorance is bliss, maybe. :>) |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Ladies Only From: CharlieA Date: 14 Aug 02 - 10:49 AM Well for myself - I don't like the C word however depending on the era the word's meaning has changed. (see Lady Chatterly's lover). I have no idea what is so offencive about the threads you've mentioned. I like it here and if i was offended I'd leave. What annoys me more are those women who get so upset about any little thing and say everything has to be PC. I am a blond an laugh at blond jokes. I have no problems with the diuscussions here and am happy and feel comfortable discussing anything here. And to answer your question to Mrs Duck Yes i would feel offended but i don't think anyone I've had contact here with, would. Charlie |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Ladies Only From: Hippie Chick Date: 14 Aug 02 - 11:15 AM Interesting. Another non-issue to jabber about. If I want to read vulgarity (c-word and others) I know where to find them. Mostly I don't. I should have resisted adding my 2c to this discussion, but hey, what's life without succumbing to temptation every now and then? |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Ladies Only From: harpgirl Date: 14 Aug 02 - 12:09 PM ...although I don't speak for Mrs. Duck, my dear GUEST...your question to Mrs. Duck is rude, inappropriate, and another example of antisocial interaction on your part. I for instance, am doing my best to be polite on this open forum for the sake of my fellow community members and to demonstrate to you what we find acceptable in general, which is what prosocial individuals who wish to be taken seriously, try to do. It is not because I am afraid to talk down and dirty in public. It is because it is generally considered impolite by most civilized individuals. But if you would like to know what I really think of your online approach to interaction in this forum please feel free to PM me. I will be most delighted to share with you! Sincerely, harpgirl |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Ladies Only From: Amos Date: 14 Aug 02 - 12:10 PM Be afraid, Guest...be very afraid!! LOL!! A |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Ladies Only From: GUEST Date: 14 Aug 02 - 12:15 PM Well, the problem with that harpgirl is that someone who I don't think has the best interests of the forum or of it's community members, started the whole thing by creating a thread on shaving female genitalia. Which I don't think is a subject that is well tolerated either, but have been shouted down for saying so. That sort of shouting down someone who calls attention to offensive, antisocial behavior of a member of the community isn't prosocial in the least. The problem is with your double standards here. |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Ladies Only From: harpgirl Date: 14 Aug 02 - 12:23 PM ...No my dear GUEST ,the problem is with your antisocial behavior on the forum with regard to controversial topics such as the politics of sex,and your divisive rhetoric. But I must say your tone in this response is somewhat more civilized. Keep trying, dear. There are also a number of other ways to be accepted as a member of the community and we are also quite forgiving of those of us who have made mistakes in the past. I for one, would welcome you if you would work harder at accepting us for our imperfections. Sincerely, hg |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Ladies Only From: GUEST Date: 14 Aug 02 - 12:29 PM harpgirl, I think you are forgetting the golden rule of Mudcat--never assume all anon guests are the same person. As I've said repeatedly, making me the target of discontent doesn't address Peg and Nicole's concerns. Or Big Mick's. Or Kendall's. But it does divert attention away from the facts here--a number of Mudcat members have agreed with me, yet their concerns as they have expressed them continue to be ignored by the moderators. I can withstand any amount of name calling and demonizing you wish to dish out harpgirl. I've said before, I take pride in NOT being a member of this community, but in being a mirror for it. In playing the role of the archaic trickster. But perhaps you didn't learn about the importance of those roles in a healthy, functioning society in social work school? |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Ladies Only From: harpgirl Date: 14 Aug 02 - 12:39 PM ...TBW, sweety, I am well acquainted with the real paddymac. I do business with him and also play music with him on a regular basis. We dine as friends and colleagues. I can safely say that his original post was meant to be tongue in cheek and I am quite sure that when I next talk with him he will say something like, " I meant this to be a high-minded spoof of the other like threads, but being a bit in my cups, I acted in haste. I certainly stirred up a hornet's nest now didn't I?" I am truly sorry you believe that your greatest value to our community is to stay an outsider and to insert divisive rhetoric in an antisocial manner. Surely you can perceive that I am simply giving you feedback about your behavior and not "calling you names" as you suggest. Sincerely, hg |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Ladies Only From: harpgirl Date: 14 Aug 02 - 12:52 PM One more thought, my dear GUEST. You don't get to champion Peg, Nicole, Big Mick's or Kendall's concerns without being a member of the community, which also means you must behave in a reasonably kind and prosocial manner and apply a sense of humor to our community members' many faux paux. So get with the program, deary. Shape up! One of the unwritten rules here is that the moderator takes no personal responsibility for trying to shape prosocial interaction. We are expected to be grown-up and do this ourselves? Surely, you have figured this out? |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Ladies Only From: GUEST Date: 14 Aug 02 - 12:59 PM harpgirl, your tone is very patronizing and condescending, and you don't get to dictate my or anyone else's behavior in internet forums any more than you do in real life. Although as a good little social worker drone, I'm sure you get off on telling other people when they are being anti-social, in your best efforts to control their behavior for them. As to the remark about the adults in this forum being responsible for their own behavior "because the site owner says so" is ludicrous. The site owner has nothing to do with individual behavior here, despite people's delusions to the contrary. The only thing a moderator of a discussion forum has any control over is the standard they hold the group to, and individual violations of that standard. When you have no standards, it is impossible to enforce them. That is the problem in this instance. |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Ladies Only From: harpgirl Date: 14 Aug 02 - 01:08 PM ...mmmm, glad to know you are reacting to my tone, deary. This gives me hope that you will develop enough empathy to consider the impact of your own behavior on the forum. I do, however, "get" to respond to you in whatever way I choose, don't you think? Or am I too "antisocial" for you, now? If I have hurt your feelings, I apologize and welcome the "archaic trickster to Mudcat. Now, aren't "tricksters" supposed to have a sense of humor? I must finish my lunch and go back to work. Sincerely, hg |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Ladies Only From: MMario Date: 14 Aug 02 - 01:12 PM HUZZAH HARPGIRL! BRAVA! |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Ladies Only From: GUEST Date: 14 Aug 02 - 01:16 PM I think it stating the obvious isn't harpgirl, that all of us are acting any damn way we please here? Without much fear of retribution from the so-called "moderators" (considering I've been told repeatedly this ISN'T a moderated forum). That much has been painfully obvious in Mudcat for years. Which is why I think a lot of us will be looking closely at Jon's new forum in the coming weeks and months. Will the company there be superior to the company here? Only time will tell. |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Ladies Only From: Ebbie Date: 14 Aug 02 - 01:33 PM HA! I knew you are the rightest kind of Republican! (The urge to monitor and correct each person's private behavior gave you away. That, and my having trained myself to discern communication factors, which made your posts become transparent very quickly.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Ladies Only From: Big Mick Date: 14 Aug 02 - 01:58 PM Actually, her motives continue to become crystal clear. I have always said that this person got her feelings hurt along the way, and is trying to destroy the site. To advocate for another site to the demise of this one is proof again. What you are, GUEST, speaks louder than what you say you are. I think you should understand that we all wish Jon well. He has done what you are incapable of. His dissatisfaction with elements of this site caused him to start his own at his own expense. My guess is that those that support him, will also support his efforts financially. You, on the other hand, just like your so called peace activism, continue in your "academic stuck in the corner spouting what is wrong, with no solutions to offer, and no willingness to get in the fray in a real way" attitude. I also notice how you react when someone pulls back your smug, self righteous, know it all, mask and gets close to who you are. You react like you have been stung. Harpgirl has you pegged and it bothers you. Next you will resort to using offensive language and telling people to fuck off like you did in the "peace" threads. And the hypocrisy is that you will come back a few days later and start a thread bemoaning the offensive and pornographic threads that you find insulting. Get some help. Exchange some pm's with Abby. You might even turn into, God forbid, a nice person once you get all the axe grinding done. Mick |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Ladies Only From: GUEST Date: 14 Aug 02 - 01:58 PM Well Ebbie, if forum moderation is the moral equivalent of right wing Republicanism in your mind, then so be it. As I said, time will tell how valuable this unmoderated BS sewer will remain to the online folk community--which of course extends far beyond the tiny horizons the Mudcat loyalists see here day in and day out. If Mudcat sinks in the swamp, so be it. If it swims fine in it's own sewage, so be it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Ladies Only From: SharonA Date: 14 Aug 02 - 02:01 PM Not being a lady in the strictest sense of the word, I guess I can't comment here. *G* |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Ladies Only From: GUEST Date: 14 Aug 02 - 02:12 PM Tell you what Big Mick. You and harpgirl can take turns playing dimestore psychologist for guest(s), their motives, etc all you want. And of course, that way, you successfully subvert any reasonable discussion of the subject matter, by making the guest(s) you obviously dislike a great deal, the subject of the thread instead. Substitute an ad hominem attack on the guest in the thread is immediately effective. Trouble is Big Mick, it looks like people want to keep talking about this subject, regardless of what you and harpgirl and enough other Mudcatters think of the guest(s). Rather pathetic really, the way the you use your hatred for guest(s) to hijack the discussion other people are having. But then, I'm guessing you don't much give a damn about that anyway. |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Ladies Only From: SharonA Date: 14 Aug 02 - 02:19 PM ...but what the hell, the GUEST isn't being ladylike either, so it looks like the whole "ladies only" concept has gone down the tubes... |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Ladies Only From: Big Mick Date: 14 Aug 02 - 02:27 PM Actually, GUEST, I don't hate you. I do, however, feel sorry for you. You see, I have made a great many mistakes in judgement about folks here over the years. When I start to feel like I may have, I usually go back and read the reactions to my posts from people I have come to respect. Then I look to see if we have a "mass response" thing going on. Finally, I ask myself if this is a matter of values and no matter what others think I must stay with my values. When I find I have been wrong (and Lord knows it happens often), I usually apologize. Harpgirl is a prime example. She and I have tangled many times. The outcomes have been anything other than uniform. Sometimes I owe her any apology, other times we stomp off and don't "speak" for a while, other times we agree. But let me tell you one thing about my opinion of her. I respect that she is a member of this community who has it's best interests at heart. We may not agree, but I know that she is valuable to this place and have told her so. Furthermore, when I finally meet her 3D, I am sure I will like her a great deal. She is a tough fighter for her view, a worthy adversary in a debate (even when she is wrong..........LOL), and a damn nice person. Know how I came to realize that last bit? Because of the way others that I like, love, and respect think of her. And that is where you blow it. Often your logic is right. Your sources are usually impeccable. But you come across as a vindictive, know it all who has great disdain for the unwashed masses that just don't see it your way. It is offensive and patronizing. I have said it before. You and I have much that we would agree on. More things than not. But your style and your attitude just blow it all to hell. And worse than that......your motives are crystal clear. Nope........I don't hate you, I just don't like you. And I truly do pity that you can't get by all this. Mick |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Ladies Only From: GUEST Date: 14 Aug 02 - 04:27 PM Anyone who the Big Mick With the Big Guns dislikes is a friend of mine. |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Ladies Only From: GUEST,sp Date: 14 Aug 02 - 04:40 PM This entire thread reminds me of something I heard once: Fighting on the internet is like running in the special olympics, even if you win you're still retarded. SP |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Ladies Only From: michaelr Date: 14 Aug 02 - 11:30 PM Guest, if you want to get back to a reasonable discussion of the subject matter, you might explain just how "female personal grooming" equates "porn". Michael |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Ladies Only From: Liz the Squeak Date: 15 Aug 02 - 02:03 AM Of course, a real lady wouldn't understand the words being discussed..... LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Ladies Only From: Snuffy Date: 15 Aug 02 - 10:13 AM Honi Soit Qui Mal Y Pense |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Ladies Only From: Wincing Devil Date: 16 Aug 02 - 12:39 AM There were a lot more than just one reference in DT to the "C" word |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Ladies Only From: GUEST,Fred Miller Date: 16 Aug 02 - 11:25 AM I think presuming to know another person's intent and feelings, and to redefine what they have to say for them, because they are "on eggshells" or whatever, is pretty rude, utterly offensive in a discussion. More offensive than any word, however tarnished. It reveals a bully, or a would-be bully, and so it's perfectly fair it call it anti-social. Especially when they sign their remarks, and one doesn't. If men are to blame for offensive content, why should it be a ladies only thread? I was hoping to hear what and how people felt about these threads and references, to consider if I was at fault--but this rudeness is appalling. Is there a more personal attack possible than to presume to re-define another's opinions? How? Guest says he/she/it can percieve such things as other's intentions and sub-texts, but I can tell, really means something so unspeakably filthy... think of the dirtiest thing you've ever heard of. Okay, it's still a little dirtier than that. Best leave it for smart Freudians to intuit. |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Ladies Only From: GUEST Date: 16 Aug 02 - 12:00 PM Thanks for doing the cunt search for us Wincing Devil. This conversation needed something to reignite it, and now you've done that for us. So, to summarise, it appears that it is just fine for the fellas to use the word cunt here, to link to songs in the DT with the word cunt, but not for women to object to it. I think I've got that right. And as to the busy black booted Mudcat censors, the censorship game currently being played at Mudcat seems to be going pretty one way. Censor the posts and threads which challenge the unwritten and unspoken rules about the adult sexual subject matter for male gratification, but leave the status quo about the cunts alone. We'll see how fast Joe Offer censors this post too. Probably a matter of minutes. Personally, I think it is just too special that Joe Offer is now the Mudcat hierophant. The High Priest of Good Taste and Morality. I'm happy to see the man has finally gotten that power he wanted--the power to dictate what does and doesn't get said here in Mudcat. Nice coup there Joe. |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Ladies Only From: AggieD Date: 16 Aug 02 - 12:22 PM It occurs to me that if you don't like something, then don't bother to read it past the bit where it is obviously going to offend your sensibilities. The best form of censorship is your own. You can always just read the threads that are obviously only to do with folk music. Most people will make sure that they make a thread title obvious. I would suggest that everyone should be a responsible enough parent to make sure that their kids are limited when it comes to entering forums & chat rooms. In my experience people who are total cowards and want to exercise control of others are not brave enough to put a name to their own actions. Come on GUEST, own up. Aggie |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Ladies Only From: GUEST Date: 16 Aug 02 - 12:30 PM Actually Aggie, what you say is true. No one has to read my posts. But a helluva lot of folks ain't following their own advice on that one are they? Nope they ain't! EVERYBODY is responding to MY posts, and telling me I shouldn't be saying what I'm saying. That nobody should listen to what I'm saying. Yet, for some reason, everybody does just that, don't they? I'm also probably the most censored contributor to Mudcat these days, which I consider to be an honor, in an "honor among thieves" sort of way. So just who is it that needs to own up do you suppose, hmmmm? The Guest With a 1000 Faces, or the rest of you? |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Ladies Only From: AggieD Date: 16 Aug 02 - 12:40 PM Actually GUEST I was having a very big dig AT you not with you. My point to you is if you aren't big enough to come clean then bu&&er off! If you don't like the thread then don't read it. You can povoke discussion in a much more educated way by asking politely what people's opinions are & in my meagre opinion why should men be excluded from the discussion? Many men are just as offended by such postings as women are. You are being sexist by not allowing men their free comment. Aggie |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Ladies Only From: GUEST Date: 16 Aug 02 - 01:08 PM Well Aggie, if you don't like posters who are anon/pseudonym posters, follow your own bloody advice, and don't read and comment on their posts! There is not one shred of evidence on Mudcat that talking politely gets more attention from other posters. Quite the contrary, in fact. Controversy sells. That's why I'm the success I am today in Mudcat. It is like moths to the flame, Aggie, moths to the flame. Everyone always says they are going to ignore me. Many will post to threads I contribute to and tell others not to respond. Which might work in that thread, but not in others. You are right though Aggie. This is a self-control issue. I'm merely exploiting the fact that a core group of Mudcat members have no self-control. They all know who they are, but they just can't help themselves. I'm sure now that I've said that, I'll have shut down this thread. I have the ability to do that one pretty easily too. Why? Because people are so sadly predictable.
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Subject: RE: BS: For Ladies Only From: YOR Date: 16 Aug 02 - 02:54 PM Member here! The handling of the guest(s) so far has been just fine, right up to Mudcat standards. Catters: In cyperspace how can I enter a thread, FART, and then leave? Enjoy, Roy |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Ladies Only From: GUEST Date: 16 Aug 02 - 03:25 PM You can't Roy. Did you know that what you see on television isn't real either? |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Ladies Only From: GUEST,Fred Miller Date: 16 Aug 02 - 04:09 PM If you figure out how Roy, warn me first? Guest, you are hopelessly confused by your own sense of self-rightousness. For crying out loud I've been trying to listen to your point of view but you've muddled it so horribly, the muddle has become the entire subject. It looks to me like people have been trying to help you along, but become frustrated with your insistance that they should say exactly what you want them to. And I wish somebody would say it for you, because you're speaking in an agumentative gibberish, actually hurting your own case, if you have one, which I begin to doubt--it looks like you're in it for a kind of online degradation ceremony, simply need the attention, and the whole thing is trumped up for that purpose. Controversy sells? You can't really think you've sold anyone. what satisfaction or enjoyment do you imagine I or another guy gets from the word "cunt"? It's in Shakespeare, in the language, in the dictionary, in a very useful and comprehensive online database of old songs. Are you all right? Are you a grown-up? Somebody, some "lady" please, present a reasonable view for this person please. The only person I ever knew who hated that word happened to be a gay man. I'd like to understand whatever this was supposed to be about. |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Ladies Only From: GUEST Date: 17 Aug 02 - 10:26 AM Still waiting for a lady to explain it to you, eh Fred? |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Ladies Only From: Celtic Soul Date: 17 Aug 02 - 11:19 AM Fred penned: "Somebody, some "lady" please, present a reasonable view for this person please. The only person I ever knew who hated that word happened to be a gay man. I'd like to understand whatever this was supposed to be about". That's a difficult proposition, Fred. It sort of implies that every woman out here will feel exactly the same way about the issue. And, as individuals, we will not. I can tell you that, for me, offensive conversation has a hell of a lot more to do with the intent than the words used. "Good Morning", said with the worst of intents and in the slimiest of ways will put me much further off than someone innocently using certain words that may normally be deemed "offensive". So, there you have it...from one of the "Ladies". Yet still, you do not have the complete picture. Nor will you unless you take into account *everyones* personal views on it. That's what makes it difficult. This is why my best advice is "Manage your own usenet/internet life". If you find it offensive, don't read it.
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Subject: RE: BS: For Ladies Only From: GUEST,Fred Miller Date: 17 Aug 02 - 07:33 PM Well, thanks Celtic Soul for your input. I'm a little disappointed it's pretty much my own view. I was sort of hoping to hear something different. Guest, aren't you the one waiting? Didn't you set this up so that ladies would explain things to guys like me? I did get a little laugh about guessing you were young--good for me. I have a friend you remind me of. And I'm getting a little fun out of it--I hope you don't take it any other way. I don't really mean to try to put you down. I really admire your ability to keep pushing a non-existant case here, and it's funny, in a way. I've always liked the name Amanda. Do you mind if I call you Amanda? Would you consider doing an advice thread, general personal advice like dear abby? I've got issues to work out, I'm sure others do too. Are you the same Guest who liked Spike Lee movies and Zefferelli's R&J on the jiggles thead? Did you like the Branagh Hamlet? I tried to start a mostest movies thread but, you guessed it, I'm still waiting. |