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Really Good, Unknown Guitarists

Murray MacLeod 16 Aug 02 - 04:36 PM
Wesley S 16 Aug 02 - 04:42 PM
Sorcha 16 Aug 02 - 04:48 PM
JBDrifter 16 Aug 02 - 04:50 PM
GUEST,Chris B (Born Again Scouser) 16 Aug 02 - 04:58 PM
Murray MacLeod 16 Aug 02 - 05:02 PM
Justa Picker 16 Aug 02 - 05:03 PM
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GUEST,Arkie 16 Aug 02 - 05:08 PM
dwditty 16 Aug 02 - 05:23 PM
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X 16 Aug 02 - 05:46 PM
katlaughing 16 Aug 02 - 05:50 PM
Don Firth 16 Aug 02 - 05:51 PM
Midchuck 16 Aug 02 - 05:52 PM
GUEST,CraigS 16 Aug 02 - 05:58 PM
Murray MacLeod 16 Aug 02 - 06:03 PM
Murray MacLeod 16 Aug 02 - 06:08 PM
Steve-o 16 Aug 02 - 06:18 PM
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Subject: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 16 Aug 02 - 04:36 PM

Reading a post from Dave Oesterreich on another thread I felt that it might be beneficial to open a thread in which one could sing the praises of one's favorite obscure guitarist (or banjo-player or fiddler for that matter).

You know what I mean, some guy who works down at the breaker's yard but can play "Orange Blossom Special " 10 times faster than Vassar Clements, or maybe some guitarist who works in McDonalds but can play "Maple Leaf Rag" and "The Stars and Stripes Forever" simultaneously.

Or , seriously, some professional who is really good but just hasn't made the leap to stardom that he/she deserves.

My nominations? Well, there is a Scottish guitarist called Tony McManus that nobody but me has ever heard of.(well, maybe a few other people ....) And there is an amazing guitar player from Florida called Doyle Dykes who is just mind-blowing.

Note to M.Ted :I know you are going to nominate fifty session players from Philadelphia who can pick spots off anybody, but let's restrain the nominations to two at most Ted, OK ?....*G*

Oh, and please include links to MP3's, websites, etc. if possible, but please don't let unfamiliarity with blue clickies deter you from posting.

Above links for my two are
Tony McManus
Doyle Dykes

Murray


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: Wesley S
Date: 16 Aug 02 - 04:42 PM

Well wouldn't you know I've got CD's by both of those unknowns...

Also unknown - or should I say "underknown" are Al Petteway and Pat Kirtley. Both have recorded celtic type CD's.


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: Sorcha
Date: 16 Aug 02 - 04:48 PM

Hell, even I have heard of Tony; we have an "unknown" of our own right here--Justa Picker. I have a CD from him too.


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: JBDrifter
Date: 16 Aug 02 - 04:50 PM

I think all four mentioned already (Dykes, McManus, Kirtley and Petteway) are well-known players. Pat Kirtley and Tony McManus were both on the roster of teachers at this year's Steve Kaufman's Acoustic Guitar camps. Doyle Dykes already has a Taylor model named for him. Al Petteway's hair alone should disqualify him. How about Steve Kilby, who just moved from NC to Virginia, and Virginian retired postal worker, luthier, festival host and picker extraordinaire Wayne Henderson?

Wally


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: GUEST,Chris B (Born Again Scouser)
Date: 16 Aug 02 - 04:58 PM

Me.


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 16 Aug 02 - 05:02 PM

"Al Petteway's hair alone should disqualify him"

Nice one JBDrifter ! But Petteway surely is a monster picker.

Steve Kilby I do not know. Any relation to Cody Kilby the young guy who won the Winfield Flatpicking Championship?

Wayne Henderson I would love to hear. I have read about him, and I think that independently we have both developed a similar technique (alternate thumb and index finger melody playing). He is obviously immeasurably better than me at it however ...

Murray


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: Justa Picker
Date: 16 Aug 02 - 05:03 PM

Muriel Anderson
and
Chris Proctor



(Thanks Sorch!)


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Aug 02 - 05:07 PM

Scotty Anderson Triple Stop...fast fingers, pure, clean tone and technique

Johnny A Sometime Tuesday Morning...just downright tasty, jazzy playing

Eddie Pennington Just My Style...probably the world's leading thumbpicking stylist in the tradition of Merle Travis


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: GUEST,Arkie
Date: 16 Aug 02 - 05:08 PM

Comer (Moon) Mullins of Mountain View, Arkansas, Eddie Pennington, somewhere in Kentucky, Mike Dowling, somewhere in Wyoming who played guitar in Jethro Burns band, and Thom Bresh, Nashville, TN, son of Merle Travis and an exceptional picker in his own right.


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: dwditty
Date: 16 Aug 02 - 05:23 PM

Derwin Hinson - Th ebest version of Man of Constant Sorrow I have ever heard.

dw


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: dwditty
Date: 16 Aug 02 - 05:26 PM

Oooops
dw


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 16 Aug 02 - 05:35 PM

Russell Donnellon. I recently met him at an art fair where I was attempting to sell my pottery. He travels the art show circuit hawking his CD's. He stands out in the hot sun all day long playing his ass off on mostly classical guitar. Self-taught,he has the licks of someone who has studied with a master. Truly an amazing musician. Unfortunately, the turnout for the art show stunk and he lost money on the show so he won't be back next year.

Richard Gilewitz. A Kottke/Fahey disciple who used to live sorta nearby and played a lot of local shows. Has had some national exposure,but still relatively unknown. Definitely in Leo's league.

Allen Shadd. I've known Allen since he was a pre-teen flatpicking prodigy. He placed in the top ten at Winfield when he was 12 or 13. Gave flatpicking up to play in a rock band at 16. Got married and gave music up altogether for years. Got divorced and got back into flatpicking and took the contest scene by storm a few years ago. Scored a grand slam in 1997 by taking first place at Merlefest, Steve Kaufman's and Winfield all in the same year. A picker.


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: X
Date: 16 Aug 02 - 05:46 PM

Gean Gilstrap. By the way, does anyone know where he is?


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: katlaughing
Date: 16 Aug 02 - 05:50 PM

Sorcha, you beat me to it! Justa Picker and, I might also add, dwditty, Rex (in Colorado), and Musicman (though he is known regionally in Canada) plus Metchosin's brother, Russ...anyone else have his "Mandolirium" cd? Awesome!


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: Don Firth
Date: 16 Aug 02 - 05:51 PM

A fellow named George Austin. He lives in Kirkland, on the east side of Lake Washington, across from Seattle. He fingerpicks mostly. He uses a number of different tunings and he does some really outrageous stuff; not necessarily blazingly fast, just nice, clean, intricate, and melodically catchy. Flows right along. I've heard a lot of pros who don't play anywhere near as well as he does. He sings well, too. We've tried to talk him into doing a CD, but no luck yet.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: Midchuck
Date: 16 Aug 02 - 05:52 PM

Neither one is really unknown, but I would nominate Jack Lawrence and Chris Newman as two of the most amazing musicians I know, who haven't gotten anywhere near the recognition they deserve.

Peter.


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: GUEST,CraigS
Date: 16 Aug 02 - 05:58 PM

David Qualey - lives and works mainly in Germany, although is American. Dave Evans - repairs guitars in Belgium. Both have recorded in the past, but without the recognition they deserve.


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 16 Aug 02 - 06:03 PM

Oh please, Peter, next thing you'll be saying that Norman Blake hasn't had the recognition he deserves ! (And he hasn't)

I love the response so far, I have read names with which I am totally unfamiliar, which is what I wanted the thread to be about. Some of the name's mentioned may well be , "underappreciated", but, if you have done a tuition video for Homespun or Stefan Grossman, you can hardly be described as "Unknown".

Keep 'em coming (and how about some fiddlers and banjo players as well)

Murray


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 16 Aug 02 - 06:08 PM

Craid S, I remember Dave Evans, tremendous fingerpicker, million notes a minute. Does he still perform live?

Murray


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: Steve-o
Date: 16 Aug 02 - 06:18 PM

Two brilliant guitarists who are not "unknown", but are not wildly famous (as they should be): John Girton- formerly of Dan Hicks and his Hot Licks (still playing up in Grass Valley, CA somewhere), and Raul Reynoso of the So. Calif. "cowboy" band New West (well-known in L.A. circles). Buy everything you can find by both of them (and go see them in live shows)!!


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: katlaughing
Date: 16 Aug 02 - 06:29 PM

Murray...Musicman plays one of everything very well or consumately:-), Rex plays the fiddle in the most natural and the beautiful way I've ever heard, and Russ plays several including mando.

What is it about the Northwest? Lotta good pickers up thar! Just thought of another couple, Telynor, our own JohnP and his wife. I'll dig up some links in a bit.


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: Deckman
Date: 16 Aug 02 - 06:52 PM

Gosh darn it Don Firth ... you beat me to it! Yes ... absolutly GEORGE AUSTIN qualifies. Superb guitarist, he somehow manages to walk that thin line between strong driving guitar and understated guitar. That's not easy folks! And his singing, voice and choice of songs. There it is: match the following: superb guitarist, very fine voice, excellant taste in material, a good heart (most important), and a smile to die for. You are right Don, George Austin always makes me smile! CHEERS, Bob


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: Bobert
Date: 16 Aug 02 - 08:14 PM

Well, until his untimely death a couple of years ago, Danny Gatton was the official "World's Best Unknown Guitar Player" but with his death there is this void that needs to be filled. Problem is, though there are a lot of fine musicans out there, no one has really stepped into his shoes. He was guy that big named musicans would come to hear, which does kind of seperate him from the rest of the pack.

Bobert


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: Paul G.
Date: 16 Aug 02 - 08:22 PM

Sam Pacetti from down here in St. Augustine Florida -- a protege of Gamble Rogers who turned out to be a much better picker than GR. Has one CD outon Waterbug Records. Then there's the not-so-unknown Jack Williams, who I am proud to call my friend -- www.jackwilliamsmusic.com pg


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 16 Aug 02 - 08:52 PM

my personal favorite is Gordon Quinton of Newfoundland..certainly well known there and throughout Canada but I don't know how much in the states. He is absolutely superb and plays beautiful songs and even used to play with me on the fiddle which is quite amazing for anyone to voluntarily do.

mg


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: Wincing Devil
Date: 16 Aug 02 - 09:32 PM

Craig Williams of the Pyrates Royale and formerly of Ironweed. He's on several CD's with Wash DC area artists, as part of The Pyrates Royale and doing back up for Darcy Nair (who's quite handy on the hammered dulcimer, herself). I love listening to him, and I wish he'd do a solo album. (not necessarily solo, but where he's the featured artist)


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 16 Aug 02 - 11:28 PM

Hey Paul G

I met Sam Pacetti 15 years ago in the little convenience store/bar a couple of miles North of Pacetti Fish Camp at the intersection of SR 13 and Jack Wright Island Road. He was sitting at the bar playing a cheapo electric that belonged to the owner. We picked for about an hour. Saw him again at this year's FFF. He is good.


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 17 Aug 02 - 12:19 AM

Bobert, you beat me to it. Danny Gatton was an amazing talent. His tune Big Mo is a tour de force on guitar. I would also add his fellow Marylander Duke Robillard to the category.


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: Benjamin
Date: 17 Aug 02 - 12:33 AM

Murry, didn't you say you'd never mention Tony's name here again?
I've heard critics say that Roland Dyens is not just one of the best guitarists, but one of the top 5 musicians in the world. I've had a chance to see him play and play for him. Both were incredible experiences. A great composer as well.
Although my campaign for Ana Vidovic has fallen off, she's coming up in America on her own and she won't too unknown for very long.
Craig, I actually use to play a piece by David Qualey called Santa Cruz. Nice little tune!
Benjamin


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: Steve Latimer
Date: 17 Aug 02 - 12:49 AM

I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned Susan Latimer :-;.

She is one cut away from releasing her first CD, it should be out by the fall. So what if she's my baby sister, she can flat out play.


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: Art Thieme
Date: 17 Aug 02 - 12:57 AM

Back in Chicago in the early '60s there was a fellow named Mark Dorinson who did a fine job o' picking. I've not heard of him since then.

At that same time there was a fellow called Perry Letterman in Ann Arbor, Michigan and then in Berkeley, California who was just the best too.

At the first University Of Chicago Folk Festival there was a fellow hanging out at the workshops on Saturday February 4th, 1961. His name was Marc Silber (maybe related to Erwin?) and he was sitting on a table and picking "San Francisco Bay Blues". It blew me away---pure and simple. After that I learned to fingerpick and never even looked back at flatpicking until I came up for air 40 years later.

More recently, a fellow that our own Harpgirl turned me on to, Frank Lindamood of Florida does some really nice unorthodox fingerpicking. I had pretty much figured, at this late date, that I couldn't get hit over the head by a guitar style----but, like the proverbial mule, Frank's songs have me wanting to hear more.

Abby, thanks again !

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Aug 02 - 03:57 AM

Great Thread!

I had great pleasure of listening to a few hours of Tony McManus and J.P. Cormier trade off tunes at the recent Stan Rogers festival in Canso. Both are awesome players and I see a link has been posted for Tony so here's one for JP. I wouldn't say theses guys are unknown but for those who've never heard them I think you should check them out. JP also plays eight other instruments and is something to see live. Great writer also.

Songsmith


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: Genie
Date: 17 Aug 02 - 04:12 AM

I dunno. I was pretty impressed with our own Mousethief when I heard him at JenEllen's Mudcat gathering this summer.

Here in Portland, OR, there's Steve Eichorn, who, with his wife Kate Power, owns Artichoke Music. A very fine "unknown" talent.

For pickers who should be better known than they are, I'd nominate Pat Donohue, who plays on Prairie Home Companion, and Nina Gerber, who, among other things, backed up Kate Wolf.

Genie


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: GUEST,spikepole
Date: 17 Aug 02 - 05:56 AM

I know a finger picker named Kenneth Ray Whitfield from around Avalon,Ms. His fingers do a ballet on the frets. He can play just like Mississippi John Hurt. His fingers are amazing and his sound is spellbinding. I've heard alot of people try this style and some get away with it but, Kenneth Ray has it mastered. There's nobody living that even comes close. Mr."khandu" writes into mudcat sometimes.I've read his stuff. Take my word on it. When most really good guitar pickers hear Kenneth Ray they're ready to pack it in and give up!


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: van lingle
Date: 17 Aug 02 - 10:17 AM

There was a fellow in Washington, DC that was pretty awesome named Tom Principato. He even recorded a duet album with Danny Gatton called "Blazing Telecasters".
John Miller is also a guy who deserves a lot more attention. He recorded a couple of classic albums of standards back in the 80's for Rounder called "Safe, Sweet Home" (my favorite guitar album) and "Biding My Time" (all Gershwin tunes). Before that he made some country blues recordings for Blue Goose where he captured and put his own stamp on the styles of Bo Carter and Blind Blake among others. IMO he's one of the few players that really captured the swing of Blake's syncopated bass technique. More recently he's recorded and album of tunes from the 30's thru 60's with a great singer named Rebecca Kilgore where he acts as her sole accompanist. vl


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: harpgirl
Date: 17 Aug 02 - 10:25 AM

...My nomination is Eric Glatz, who lives near Muskegon, Michigan. Don't miss a chance to see his amazing skills if you find yourself in western Michigan.


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Subject: Lyr Add: FUNERAL (from Mac MacAnnally)
From: Memphis Mud
Date: 17 Aug 02 - 10:34 AM

Try to listen to Mac MacAnnally, from Mississippi (I think). Not really unknown in certain circles. He has played on countless albums. He has several of his own. His are the first fingerpicking tunes I ever figured out.

FUNERAL

We're having a Funeral.
Somebody died.
We're having a Funeral.
Come out and help us cry.

Don't he look natural.
Considering the way he went.
They picked him up in ten pieces.
Didn't cost his family a cent.

Break out the caskets.
Send him some Flowers.
Everybody'd be saying,
"Sure glad this funeral ain't ours."

We're having a Funeral.
Somebody died.
We're having a Funeral.
Come out and help us cry.

HTML line breaks added. --JoeClone, 20-Sep-02.


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: khandu
Date: 17 Aug 02 - 12:51 PM

Thanks, Guest spikepole, for the kind, yet overstated words! Nobody does MJH like MJH!

Mac MacAnnally is from Belmont, MS., Memphis Mud. I do enjoy hearing him.

khandu


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: mooman
Date: 17 Aug 02 - 01:08 PM

Hille will kill me if I don't nominate England's Lee Collinson who's a friend also! Lee's own site is under reconstruction at the moment so here is a review from another site:

Lee Collinson

I second many of the above also, particularly David Qualey (plays a Lakewood like me so can't be bad!!!) and Dave Evans who I used to see regularly when living in London some years back. Didn't know he was in Belgium now which is where I also live. Could anyone PM me his contact details?

Peace

mooman


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: van lingle
Date: 17 Aug 02 - 01:12 PM

...and in San Antonio there was a lefthanded player named Jackie King who used to play and teach there. I mostly heard him play jazz and would classify him as scary good. He now plays with Willie Nelson, last I heard. vl


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: X
Date: 17 Aug 02 - 02:04 PM

Do your self a favor and go to...
www.stellarshowcase.durham.on.ca/susanlatimer.html
and give Susan a ear.


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 18 Aug 02 - 04:30 AM

Thanks for all the input so far. I have heard most of the musicians mentioned, and for sure they are all great. I am not so sure that they all qualify as unknown. Underappreciated maybe ....

Looking forward to hearing all the others in due course.

Benjamin, you are right, I did say I would never mention Tony McManus again on the Forum. Mea culpa ....

Murray


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: GUEST,Gurney
Date: 18 Aug 02 - 04:34 AM

In Coventry 30 years ago there was a guy named Dave Bennett who was remarkably good. Is he still around? I can't find him on a database, and I'm half a world away. G.


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: Banjer
Date: 18 Aug 02 - 06:01 AM

My grandson is taking lessons from Elson Smith. Rather than list it again I'll just clickie you here


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: Dave4Guild
Date: 18 Aug 02 - 06:55 AM

Hi, Gurney. I'm still in Coventry, and still playing, after having had a meteoric rise to obscurity. I was delighted to find my name mentioned alongside the other guitarists in this thread- they are all famous! There is still a lively music scene here with a session at 3pm at The Old Ball ( a pub, not a description of me!), and I'm hosting an open mic thingy at the Foleshill Ex-Servicemen's Club tonight (Sunday).
I can mention two guitarists , Mick Stuart- brilliant blues and contemporary fingerstyle player, And Ron Priest, Jazz/Whatever, who seems to be able to do brilliant accompaniments to anyone, using chords nobody else knows, that I don't think are well enough appreciated.
It is almost invidious to select just two, but I thought that would do from me. I have met so many brilliant guitarists over the years(and other instrumental players) But that is what is so great about this hobby/passion. And they are (usually) such nice people, too.
Dave Bennett


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: Venthony
Date: 18 Aug 02 - 08:13 AM

Here's to all those guys who taught me how to pick back in the 60s. Habitues of honkey-tonks and taverns -- Chet and Travis disciples each and every one. Wonderful and supremely gifted cover artists who made "Under the Double Eagle" and "Memphis" come alive, and who inspired countless couples to make babies simply by playing "Last Date" just before the 11:15 break.

They could all play "House of the Rising Sun" with grace and integrity -- and, sometimes, even with a straight face.

And each was capable of suffering through interminable versions of "Wooly Bully" three or four nights a week, before and after grueling and low-paid day jobs.

The guys I came up with could blast through a nine-to-one gig like Clapton on a good night and make all the aging high school honeys cry and wail when they soloed. And then they would climb out of bed at 6 a.m. and punch in at the factory for the morning shift.

So here's to Bubby Terry and Clydus Meeker and Tony Schafer. And, most of all, here's to my Pop, who upon watching the Beatles on the Ed Sullivan Show playing "All My Loving," remarked: "Shoot, that Harrison kid is just some British guy who likes Carl Perkins." And the next day, at third-grade recess, I was so proud that I had the only dad in town who could care less about their haircuts.

So far as I know there wasn't a single record contract among the bunch of my teachers and mentors, but God bless them all. And if we don't think about those old 60s guys, who played back when a couple of Fender Twins was a "really good PA system," and cry a little bit every time "Memphis" gets broadcast on an oldies channel, we're not doing our job.

Tony


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: Memphis Mud
Date: 18 Aug 02 - 12:52 PM

What a great list this will be. I should try to jot them all down. But could the owner of this site set up a page containing all these entries? That would be nice. Then I'd never lose my little scrap of paper.


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: X
Date: 18 Aug 02 - 03:44 PM

If you like the blues...a good up and coming picker is Jake La Botz. His aunt gave me his CD "Used To Be" It's a wonderful solo afford. As I understand it Steve Buscemi is featuring Jake's music in his movies. You can find Jake at:

www.jakelabotz.com


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: Steve Latimer
Date: 18 Aug 02 - 06:01 PM

Venthony,

Nice post. Here's to "Joe's Garage"


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: Genie
Date: 19 Aug 02 - 02:54 AM

You said it, Venthony!


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: Venthony
Date: 19 Aug 02 - 05:50 AM

YES! When it comes to raggin' it up Comer is (was?) one of the best, and Thom Bresh is -- well -- wonderful, and well outside his father's long shadow.

Tony


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: the lemonade lady
Date: 19 Aug 02 - 07:50 AM

Has anyone heard of James Arglye from Wolverhampton, UK? He's only 19 (I think)but he's fingerstyle pickin' brilliant. His version of Eric Roche's 'Perc U Lator' is well worth watching as well as hearing. This kid's gonna go a long way I'm sure.

Sal


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: GUEST,Dagenham Doc
Date: 19 Aug 02 - 08:13 AM

Keith Richard and Eric Clapton from Walthamstow and Upton Park. Same names, different guys .. sad eh?

Doc


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: harpgirl
Date: 19 Aug 02 - 08:38 AM

I am still waiting for Frank Lindamood's CD, Art. I will send you a copy if he ever makes it. I wouldn't say hot licks so much as tasteful licks! Frank is from Sopchoppy, Florida. I will go anywhere in the Panhandle to see him...hg


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: GUEST,Arkie
Date: 19 Aug 02 - 11:53 AM

Venthony, Comer IS. He is still with us and one of our local treasures. For those who do not know Comer Mullins, he considers himself a thumbpicker. He is a National Thumbpicking champion and is also winner of the contest in Central City, KY which has had some super pickers. He was also the winner of the playoff of former champions in the KY event. He is the kind of picker that other players look upon with respect.


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: Bernard
Date: 20 Aug 02 - 12:01 PM

Click here!!


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: Fortunato
Date: 20 Aug 02 - 01:04 PM

Eddie Pennington has cool gig upcoming:

National Swine Improvement Organization
Convention
Ellington Ag Center
Nashville, TN


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: Dave T
Date: 20 Aug 02 - 01:21 PM

I don't think anyone's mentioned Jason Fowler yet. He placed 3rd at Winfield in fingerstyle in 1997 and 3rd in flatpicking in 2000.

- Dave T


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: Bernard
Date: 20 Aug 02 - 01:51 PM

Just a bit puzzled here... I thought the emphasis was on unknown guitarists... if people have ratings they can't be unknown... or am I missing something?!

;o)


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: GUEST,Hille
Date: 20 Aug 02 - 07:13 PM

Moonman - there's a Dave Wood who's so good (g'grief, she's a poet and doesn't know it *groan*) that Lee is performing his songs try www.harboursessions.co.uk (biogs link) also for John Pearson ...


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 20 Aug 02 - 07:13 PM

Well, "unknown" is all relative, Bernard. The definition of "unknown" for the purposes of this thread is, "Have I heard of them ?" (I being me, that is)

I have in fact heard of most of the guitarists mentioned, some of the names are completely new , but I can promise that within a matter of weeks I will have heard the music of everybody mentioned on this thread, (at least thiose with recorded output ) and I am looking forward enormously to doing so.

Murray


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Aug 02 - 05:58 PM

Well...

I can really confuse the issue at this point. I can play the unknown guitar very very well indeed. The trouble is that no-one really knowa what an unknown guitar is...;-)

Cheers

Dave the Ungnome


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: GUEST,sorefingers
Date: 21 Aug 02 - 06:33 PM

Arkie who are ya? You keep mentioning Moon Mullins who as I recall was more of a wag than a player, perhaps my definition is too strict.

Re Mtn View Ark

Has the City ever realized we are in the USA and not Romania? Do they still arrest and immediately lock up any found with a drink?


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: GUEST,Russ
Date: 21 Aug 02 - 08:03 PM

Larry Combs
WV guitar player. Appears on a couple of Dwight Diller CDs. Also shows up at the Vandalia guitar contest. Nobody does old time better.


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: Willie-O
Date: 21 Aug 02 - 09:15 PM

Unless you are a habitue of central Canadian folk circles, you haven't heard Terry Tufts, who is a great songwriter and singer as well as a terrific fingerpicker. Y'oughtta.

Another Ottawan you should look for is a woman named Alex Houghton, a protege of Don Ross (please don't say "who?") and sometime student of Pierre Bensusan who composes and plays in her own acoustic guitar world...

Acoustic blues picker? Rick Fines of Peterborough Ontario.

Just crack a search engine with any of these names and see what shows up.

W-O


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: Venthony
Date: 21 Aug 02 - 10:28 PM

guest, forefingers:

Comer is VERY MUCH a wag. He is also a heck of a player. A thoroghgoing pro with a great three-fingered picking technique.

re: mtn. view -- It is indeed in the U.S., and you'd be surprised how much better everyone plays sober.

Besides, dry is the way most of Stone County seems to want it, so it seems to me that their liquor laws ought to be their business.

And -- from my own purely personal perspective --something wonderful and magical will be lost when the inevitable happens, and the courthouse square turns into one more liquored-up spring break PAR-TY.

Why must the availability of alcohol be a hallmark of sophistication? I grew up in a dry county m'self, and I don't know that I missed anything.

Now then, later on, in college, people tell me I missed quite a lot. ... But, oh hell -- I'm so ashamed, I'm just so ashamed.

Best wishes, Tony


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: Genie
Date: 21 Aug 02 - 10:41 PM

Well, Murray, given your definition of "unknown guitarists," I don't know if Michael "Hawkeye" Herman counts or not. He's far from unknown among blues afficcionados, since he has won some awards and he composed the music for the play "El Paso Blue" (which I got to see in a U.W. production in Seattle before the show moved to Ashland, OR) and performed the instrumentals for the play.

I was very much impressed with his instrumental work, songwriting, and vocals when I got to attend a workshop at NW Folklife Festival in Seattle a few years ago (1996?) and see the play. I mention him in this thread because had I not gone to that workshop I probably would never have heard of him.

Here are a few links:

click here

CD reviews

click here, too


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: uncle bill
Date: 21 Aug 02 - 11:58 PM

Jay Boy Adams. He's played with just about everybody and lucky me, will see him again in 8 days at Kerrville!. He disappeared for many years and started a bus company that leases to all the big touring bands. Those are his buses that the Stones, Madonna , and quasi-successful folkies relax in. Now he's back and sounds fantastic with his own band.


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: Genie
Date: 22 Aug 02 - 12:07 AM

BTW, one tribute to Hawkeye Herman's skill is that he once broke three -- count 'em -- strings during one set. They broke in such short sequence that, rather than tell stories while he changed them, he just finished the entire set on three strings.


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: Lyrical Lady
Date: 22 Aug 02 - 11:26 PM

Kat... you beat me to it! I was going to say Musicman as well ... very talented musician, fabulous singer and extremely nice person. He is soon to make a CD with Mr. Bill Staines ... his dream come true! OOooops ..hope I didn't let the "Cat" out of the bag! Hold on to your hats..it's going to be great.

My daughter, soon to be put on Cd by Musicman ... I'll keep you posted!

LL


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: GUEST,Russ
Date: 23 Aug 02 - 09:54 AM

Robin Kessinger
WV guitarist. Well known within the state. Don't know if many flatlanders have heard of him.


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: Kim C
Date: 23 Aug 02 - 12:36 PM

I would have to nominate my long-time college friend, Ken McMahan. His band, the Dusters, have got back together after about 10 years, and will be touring Europe later this fall. They had some success there back in the early 90s. It's funny how no one ever gets out of Nashville, unless they go to Europe first!

They don't have any sound samples on their website yet, but you can still get a copy of their first CD, released in 1990 - just send them an e-mail to get ordering info. If you like some good rock and blues guitar, keep an eye on these guys.

The Dusters


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: GUEST,sorefingers
Date: 23 Aug 02 - 01:23 PM

Ok thanks for the update, last I knew Mtn View had a grant to promote pre 1940 music or something like that and it was at the same time trying to become a mecca for retirees so most of the stuff on the square was Bluegrass and the Old Timeees were almost banned. One picker explained to me that the OTs used have fist fights with the BGs and that put an end to the OT Fiddle Banjo sessions there.

Suppose the next thing will be Theaters on the Square with Garth singing ( correction bawling like mooooo kmooo hooo hoooo ) Gospel. Oh well seemed a good idea for a while. It will be the next Branson.


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: Venthony
Date: 23 Aug 02 - 03:07 PM

Sorefingers,

Unfortunately you're probably right on target. I'm sure Garth has his market reserach folks there even as we speak.

Best wishes, Tony


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: GUEST,ashp
Date: 22 Dec 10 - 07:34 AM

Fernando Miyata, and the thai guy that won Guitar idol. superb players


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 22 Dec 10 - 08:54 AM

An earlier poster mentioned Dave Evans. What a great guitarist he was/is.
Here he is on the OGWT back in the early 70s.

Dave Evans


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: GUEST,Colin Holt
Date: 22 Dec 10 - 11:06 AM

Re Dave Evans
Indeed a great guitarist/ song writer, and luthier. (He played his own guitars).
Last I heard he was into pottery somewhere in France
Though he had built a double necked guitar/ harp (of some description) for Pierre Berusan


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: Mr Happy
Date: 22 Dec 10 - 11:09 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hc4ej4Nie4


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: Acorn4
Date: 22 Dec 10 - 11:25 AM

There is a guitarist who used to play around our way in the Midlands called Mick Holditch, who we recently saw again at Upton - very tasty playing.


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: Stringsinger
Date: 22 Dec 10 - 11:31 AM

The most significant jazz guitarist in my book is Eddy Lang who was the very first acoustic and inventive lead single string player to appear predating and influencing Django and subsequent artists.

A lot depends on what it is that the guitar is supposed to do. I give Freddie Hellerman credit for underpinning the group that I once played with, the Weavers, as he played securely, simply and supportively with the "right" chords.

I give certain guitarists certain accolades as accompanists such as Josh White, Barney Kessel,
Bruce Langhhorne, some of the guitarists who back up Stephane Grapelli today, with the view that they may not be gymnasts or virtuosos but they exhibit taste and appropriate styles for the music they play.

This technical virtuosity and the "blowing-away" syndrome gets very boring.


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: GUEST,Larry Saidman
Date: 22 Dec 10 - 11:37 AM

He's not unknown--but should've been better known. The best guitarist I ever heard was Tal Farlow.


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: The Sandman
Date: 22 Dec 10 - 12:59 PM

Andreas Varady.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiRxLgyN_Lo


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: Don Firth
Date: 22 Dec 10 - 01:36 PM

Different kind of guitar, but. . . .

In the late 1950s, I took several years' classic guitar lessons from a fellow named Bud Hern—Edward Hern, to be a bit more formal. As a classic guitarist, Bud was right up there with the best of them. He worked me through the Fernando Sor studies, which range from very simple to some of the most difficult pieces in the guitar repertoire. Tarrega, Aguado, earlier lute pieces, a whole bunch of stuff.

Bud would usually play a couple of pieces for me during my lesson, and I've heard him play full-blown virtuoso pieces recorded by people like Segovia, Pepe Romero, Vincente Gomez, all the biggies. AND he played them pretty much as well as they did. He once played the Sor study in Bb, number 19 in the folio of twenty Sor studies that Segovia fingered. It's one of the most difficult pieces in the classic guitar repertoire (key of B-flat should be a clue), consisting of bar chords all the way through and all the way up and down the fingerboard, along with some quite intricate arpeggio patterns. A real finger-buster that I've only heard recorded by one classic guitarist—Vincente Gomez.

But—Bud was plagued with absolutely debilitating stage fright. He was by nature a very shy and retiring man, and he even broke into a sweat sometimes playing for me during the lessons!

When the Seattle Classic Guitar Society was organized in 1958 (he was one of the organizers), with some persuading, we managed to get him to play for the group (initially a bout a dozen and a half people). After a few years, he felt fairly comfortable, but still nervous, playing for the Society members, but that was about it.

He would master (and I mean master) a piece of music, then he would record it on his home tape recorder. His performances on those tapes were as good as anything that was ever put on vinyl. But unfortunately, he was using the $15.00 microphone that came with the tape recorder, so although the performances were brilliant, the sound quality was not that great.

Bud passed away some years ago. I don't know what ever became of the tapes.

An absolutely brilliant classical guitarist that only a few dozen people have ever heard of.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: John P
Date: 22 Dec 10 - 01:40 PM

William Pint


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: kendall
Date: 22 Dec 10 - 02:03 PM

Denny Breau. Brother of Lenny Breau.

Carol P Weiss, better known as a folk singer but can that girl pick Beaumont Rag!


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 22 Dec 10 - 02:11 PM

I think a case can be made for three local Kentish players (actually, one might be a player of Kent, from the other side of the Medway) albeit one is dead.

The late Pete Hicks ("Slats" when he was on here) - a 12-string player from hell and also a tenor banjo player - oh and in his widow's house is still the Sigma (he used to call it a Martin) that he was bought as a bribe to go and do a couple of shows with Diz Disley): never flashy but with the rare ability to make music on a guitar so out of tune that no-one else would play it at all, a state induced by the force of his playing. He used to play his 12 in concert with 13s on. Hands like tyre levers. He once put a set of strings on before a show, went on stage, and in his eagerness broke 6 with a single mighty swipe of a plectrum. And in a moment that will endear him to all guitarists, was once asked by a banjo player to play the 12 more quietly since the banjoist could not hear his own banjo.

Then there's the classic blind guitarist, Dave Reay. If it can be played on a guitar he can play it, but a Django-ist at heart.

And finally one of the greatest driving clawhammer guitarists - when his head lets him play to full ability. His name's Jeff Cole this week and he hasn't picked up his guitar for a year, but when it's all together and he's on the upswing before the crash, enough in him to be free but not so much as to be terminally D-O-S it will fly mightily, whether it be a Martin Carthy-style thud, the sweetest country runs in the middle of Blue Tattoo, an ever-accelerating Irish Washerwoman or the jazz tinged pieces he learned in the soup when he was a younger teenager sitting at the feet of Jansch, Renbourn or Graham. An awesome musician at the right moment.


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: GUEST,jeff
Date: 12 Dec 12 - 11:44 PM

RUSSELL DONNELON !!


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 13 Dec 12 - 12:15 AM

Little Toby Walker Here:


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: PHJim
Date: 13 Dec 12 - 12:21 AM

Martin Tallstrom   FMB


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: PHJim
Date: 13 Dec 12 - 01:18 AM

Steve Piticco, Joey Wright and Dan Whiteley are all great bluegrass guitarists, but I can't find any Youtube videos of them playing bluegrass guitar so here are some clips of Steve singing and playing a funny song and Joey backing up his wife on mandolin and Dan playing some mandolin too:
Steve Piticco
Joey Wright
Dan Whiteley
Here are all three together, with Steve and Joey on Telecasters and Dan on electric bass:
Steve Piticco, Joey Wright, Dan Whiteley
I know I was only s'posed to mention two, but I can't resist dropping this video of Terry Tufts:
Terry Tufts


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: GUEST,Big Al Whittle
Date: 13 Dec 12 - 05:23 AM

Yes indeed - we should have a grave in Westmister Abbey - The Unknown Guitarist.

'In the setting up of the gig; in the going down of the groupie, and in the sound check, and in the time yet to come when the agent runs off with the money....we will not forget him.'

His set of phosphor bronze Ernie Balls will not go old and rusty, as we do....'


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: Pete Jennings
Date: 13 Dec 12 - 05:51 AM

LOL!


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Subject: Really Good Unknown Guitarists, Larry Combs, WV
From: GUEST,Robert
Date: 07 Oct 13 - 07:59 PM

Russ@, this 'W.V. Larry Combs', I searched a bit and found Mike Bing and the Brownbaggers included him on the guitar, but all other results point to 'clarinet 'Larry Combs' , cannot be the same can it ?

   -- If he also had recorded with a bluegrass band maybe some more solos could be heard.

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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From:GUEST,Russ
Date: 21 Aug 02 - 08:03 PM

Larry Combs
WV guitar player. Appears on a couple of Dwight Diller CDs. Also shows up at the Vandalia guitar contest. Nobody does old time better.
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   (Fabulous Festival Favorites Vol.1 CD)


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Oct 13 - 04:04 AM

Ari artsinger for blues. He recently did a tour of the uk


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Subject: RE: Really Good, Unknown Guitarists
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Oct 13 - 04:07 AM

Pat coldrick and richar durrant for classical players.


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