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Subject: tantalizing, inaccessible MIDI's From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 21 Aug 02 - 01:34 AM I belong to a group of people that likes to play early music on acoustic instruments. Here's a site that has music I would like to download: http://www.classicalmidiconnection.com/cmc/index.htm However, when I left-click on a title, Windows Media Player 7 comes up and says "The data is invalid." Under Details, it says "No more information is available." If I right-click and save a piece, it calls everthing some form of "Clavier" and tries to save it as an HTML file. .mid is not offered as a possible extension under which to save a piece. Does any guru here know how to save these pieces as MIDI files so I can suck them into Noteworthy Composer? For example, there is a piece in the Renaissance library written by Passereau and called Il Bel et Bon that I'm particularly interested in. PS Please, let's not start a debate on whether it should be "The data are invalid." |
Subject: RE: Help: tantalizing, inaccessible MIDI's From: Helen Date: 21 Aug 02 - 03:00 AM Hi Leeneia, I just played the tune you are interested in using QuickTime and then saved it, although I had to rename the file from x.cgi to the name of the tune and add ".mid" to the end. I try not to use the Windows Media Player or Real Audio etc when I am finding midi files. Those programs seem to make the midi listening and saving process too difficult, but Quicktime is really easy. (Wasn't it you in the other thread asking about midis and Noteworthy?) What sort of computer are you using: PC, Mac, Other? and any other info you can give us. I just tried right clicking on a midi file at that site and it gave the right filename with a ".mid" extension. (I am using a PC) Helen |
Subject: RE: Help: tantalizing, inaccessible MIDI's From: MMario Date: 21 Aug 02 - 08:29 AM leenia - it all works correctly for me as well. sorry. |
Subject: RE: Help: tantalizing, inaccessible MIDI's From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 21 Aug 02 - 10:10 AM QuickTime must be the answer. That site has a bulletin board, and there are several posts from people with similar questions. Nobody seems to answer the questions. I did do another post involving the saving of MIDI's. There, the answer was to right click on the name of the file at the web page, not at the media player. Silly me, I thought it was logical to listen, decide whether or not I liked it, and then save it. However, the simple step of going back to the web page made all the difference. That isn't working here. I have a PC, Windows 98, Windows Media Player 7 - not that it should make a difference with something so elemental as saving a file. You know, I have to chuckle when I think back to my data processing classes. I can remember the Old Professor intoning, "A computer is completely unforgiving. It does exactly what you tell it -- no more, no less." Ha ha is to laugh. |
Subject: RE: Help: tantalizing, inaccessible MIDI's From: MMario Date: 21 Aug 02 - 10:15 AM *sometimes* they misinterprete what you are telling them to do though. (I think it's the chips that are made overseas or in Mexico just don't have English as a second Language down pat yet.) What browser are you using leenia? |
Subject: RE: Help: tantalizing, inaccessible MIDI's From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 21 Aug 02 - 08:59 PM It seems to be Internet Explorer 5.1. Is that the latest, do you think? |
Subject: RE: Help: tantalizing, inaccessible MIDI's From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 21 Aug 02 - 09:05 PM You can download a free version of QuickTime from the Apple site. It was designed for Macintosh. Just select the PC version. Paste this into your address bar: http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/
Have FUN!!!
Sincerely, |
Subject: RE: Help: tantalizing, inaccessible MIDI's From: Barry T Date: 21 Aug 02 - 10:01 PM I have an old clunker of a PC, mind you, but I intentionally kept a version of MPlayer2 around 'cause it's smaller, does all the basics that I require, and loads faster than the graphic intense later versions of Media Player. Sometimes newer and snazzier does not necessarily translate into better! |
Subject: RE: Help: tantalizing, inaccessible MIDI's From: MMario Date: 22 Aug 02 - 08:28 AM that should work - (IE 5.1) - I was just wondering because it could be a browser dependent thing. |
Subject: RE: Help: tantalizing, inaccessible MIDI's From: MMario Date: 22 Aug 02 - 08:56 AM did you also see the hint about selecting the link and trying shift-F10 rather then a right mouse click? |
Subject: RE: Help: tantalizing, inaccessible MIDI's From: GUEST,MCP Date: 22 Aug 02 - 10:40 AM If you disable Windows media player from automatically starting on the left click, then left click will give you the Open/Save option. If you select save it gives the default name of x.mid, just replace x by a name of your choice and Save. Mick |
Subject: RE: Help: tantalizing, inaccessible MIDI's From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 22 Aug 02 - 11:51 AM Barry: You're right about the new players being too snazzy. Player 7 offers "phenoptic ambience", whatever that may be. You know you're in trouble when you want to listen to a piece from 1550 and you get phenoptic ambience instead. MMario: I tried the shift+F10. Didn't work, unfortunately. Mick: exactly how do I disable Windows media player from automatically starting on the left click? And if I do, how do I get it to play when I wish it to? BTW, the Noteworthy people gave me a way to change players (Windows Explorer-View-Folder Options-File Types-MIDI-Edit or Advanced-Select player) but there are no players to select! I seem to be stuck with Windows Media Player 7. What have you done with my Noteworthy Player, Bill Gates? Nonetheless the inability to save as a MIDI file doesn't seem to be related to the question of which player plays the tune. When I click File on the web page, it offers to save the file as an HTML file of some sort, or a text file. Yet it claims to be a MIDI site. |
Subject: RE: Help: tantalizing, inaccessible MIDI's From: MMario Date: 22 Aug 02 - 12:14 PM try just changing the EXTENSION of the file when you save to .mid |
Subject: RE: Help: tantalizing, inaccessible MIDI's From: GUEST,MCP Date: 22 Aug 02 - 12:28 PM Leeneia
In Media Player click Tools/Options/Formats tab, then in the Available Formats window clear the box marked MIDI Files. Click Apply and close the Media Player. When you (left) click a midi file it should then give you the Open/Save option. |
Subject: RE: Help: tantalizing, inaccessible MIDI's From: Bill D Date: 22 Aug 02 - 12:33 PM wel...hmmm...it seems to me that the problem is mostly because those midi files are not on http:// www.classicalmidiconnection.com/cmc/index.htm.....when I click one, it takes me to ANOTHER site, where I can search for it...and when I finally navigate thru menus to a real midi, it seems to work just fine! The reason you cannot right click at http:// www.classicalmidiconnection.com is that the link you are clicking on it simply a re-direct to the site that HAS them. I think they 'could' make those links clickable if they wished, but they want you to go to the other site... ...did anyone actually get a tune to play from http:// www.classicalmidiconnection.com/ ? (I have settings in Opera browser that may be stopping me) |
Subject: RE: Help: tantalizing, inaccessible MIDI's From: MMario Date: 22 Aug 02 - 01:55 PM yup - I click on the composer name - then scan down the page until I find the midi I want - click and the midi pops up. right click and the file comes up to save. |
Subject: RE: Help: tantalizing, inaccessible MIDI's From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Date: 22 Aug 02 - 07:33 PM What MMArio said is what I did when I looked at it, and it worked just fine. Could you give us an example of the file name you are trying to download? It should show down on the bottom of the screen. |
Subject: RE: Help: tantalizing, inaccessible MIDI's From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 22 Aug 02 - 11:37 PM Mick, you are incredible. I did what you said (Tools, Options, Format etc), and now the MIDI's play. I can't seem to save them as MIDI files, however. It only offers the option of HTML files or "All Files" When I experiment, Noteworthy can't find them. So I told it to print the file, and my computer obligingly printed out all the advertising on the page - but no song. I give up. Let's all give up. It's not that important. Those Classical MIDI Connection people are just messing with my mind. Coyote waits, nicht wahr? |
Subject: RE: Help: tantalizing, inaccessible MIDI's From: Helen Date: 23 Aug 02 - 08:12 PM Try QuickTime |
Subject: RE: Help: tantalizing, inaccessible MIDI's From: GUEST,MCP Date: 23 Aug 02 - 10:17 PM Leeneia - if the files are playing now are you sure you've cleared the Midi File box (the box should be completely blank). If Media Player was you only player then left click should ask you to Open/Save. Anyway if you want a copy of the Il Bel Et Bon midi I've downloaded it from the site. If you e-mail me an address I'll forward it to you. I can be reached at MCPearce0ATaolDOTcom (with suitable substitutions of AT and DOT; that's a zero after Pearce BTW). Mick |
Subject: RE: Help: tantalizing, inaccessible MIDI's From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 24 Aug 02 - 10:07 AM Bill D. is right. The Classical MIDI Connection doesn't have the MIDI's on it, it's simply sending me elsewhere. Apparently some computers and software deal better with this situation than others, and mine doesn't do too well. For example, it does not display the address of the real MIDI, and it does not accept the typing that would change the file extension to .mid when saving. Let me, as an experienced computer user, make the general observation that when you download or install the big program (such as Windows Media Player 7), the big program goes around inside your computer, kicking littler programs and cutting their connections to things. For example, it is not unusual to load new software and to discover that Noteworthy Composer can't play my little keyboard any more. Then that situation has to be fixed. My computer has such a long history that something like that may have happened with respect to the problem of saving files from The Classical MIDI Connection, and who knows how to fix it now? MCP: I'm taking you up on your kind offer. Now I am going to have a cup of coffee from a blue cup on a pink saucer. The real world calls. However, I am thinking of getting an upgrade, anyhow. |
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