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Lyr Req: The Gypsy (Frank Hennessey)

GUEST,Red 22 Aug 02 - 10:08 AM
Dave4Guild 22 Aug 02 - 02:57 PM
songs2play 23 Aug 02 - 02:38 AM
Jim Dixon 25 Aug 02 - 09:24 PM
DonMeixner 25 Aug 02 - 10:44 PM
songs2play 26 Aug 02 - 11:13 AM
songs2play 20 Sep 02 - 04:42 AM
GUEST,gypo 29 Apr 11 - 06:56 AM
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John C. Bunnell 09 Sep 18 - 03:36 AM
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Subject: Do you think that you're in love with me
From: GUEST,Red
Date: 22 Aug 02 - 10:08 AM

Anyone know the lyrics to an Irish-type ballad starting -

Do you think that you're in love with me Will you listen...............say You're too young to come with me girl I'll soon be on my way Stop your silly cring now....... I am a gypsy lover and you can go with me Home girl............


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Do you think that you're in love with me
From: Dave4Guild
Date: 22 Aug 02 - 02:57 PM

This song was written by Frank Hennessey, circa 1965. Frank had a Folk-Group called "The Hennesseys", with Dave and Paul, and were an Irish band from Cardiff, They became well known at the time and I met them when I co-hosted a Folk Club at The "Skinner's Arms in Aberystwyth, with a good friend Elved Evans as the Host. Frank wrote several songs which were rather good including this one and "Farewell The Colliery Workers" which is in the DT. Frank is now "something big" in the Welsh BBC!
Unfortunately the songbook which I wrote the words in went walkies one day, and I can't remember all the words! I'm off to Bridgenorth this weekend but when I get a chance I'll try to resurrect the words, if no-one else can provide them more quickly. I believe it has been recorded by some Irish bands and perhaps a Mudcatter can point you in the right direction. Best of Luck, Dave


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Do you think that you're in love with me
From: songs2play
Date: 23 Aug 02 - 02:38 AM

Saw Henneseys play at Abergorky Hall in Treorchy in 1968, they played some brilliant stuff. The chords and lyrics are at

http://members.lycos.co.uk/songs2play/gypsy.htm

Along with Farewell to the Rhondda

http://members.lycos.co.uk/songs2play/farewell.htm

A particularly apt song for me, as I left Treorchy in 1973.

Nice to hear you remember them Dave.


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Subject: Lyr/Chords Add: THE GYPSY
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 25 Aug 02 - 09:24 PM

Lyrics copied from http://members.lycos.co.uk/songs2play/gypsy.htm
(Note: Some sources call this song "The Gypsy Rover." None of the three sites where I found this song identified an author.

THE GYPSY

(G)Do you think that you're in love with me? Will you (D)listen to what I say?
You're too young to come with me, girl. I'll (C)soon be on my (G)way.
Stop your silly crying now. How can I make you (C)see?
I am a gypsy (G)rover, and (D)you can't come with (G)me.
Go (C)home, (D)girl. Go (G)home.

I met you at the market when your ma was not with you.
You like my long brown ringlets and my handkerchief of blue.
But though I'm very fond of you, and you've asked me home to tea,
I am a gypsy rover, and you can't come with me.
Go home, girl. Go home.

Your brother is a peeler and he would put me in jail
If he knew I was a poacher and I hunt your Lord's best quail.
Your Daddy is a gentleman and your Mammy's just as grand.
Ah, but I'm a gypsy rover. I'll not be your husband.
Go home, girl. Go home.

The hour is growing on luv, and your Ma's expecting thee.
Don't tell that you met me here or that I am a Gypsy.
Leave go of my jacket now. Your love will have to wait.
See I am twenty-two years old, and you, you're only eight.
Go home, girl. Go home.
Go home, girl. Go home.
Go home, girl. Go home.

Lyrics corrected as suggested by Don Meixner below. --JoeClone, 28-Aug-02.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Do you think that you're in love with me
From: DonMeixner
Date: 25 Aug 02 - 10:44 PM

JIm, we do this in our band and I think we sing,

"I met you at the market when your Ma was not with you."

and

"The hour is growing on luv, and your Ma's expecting thee. Don't tell that you met me here or that I am a Gypsy." "

Don


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Do you think that you're in love with me
From: songs2play
Date: 26 Aug 02 - 11:13 AM

Don, You are a life saver. I've been trying to sort out the lyrics for this song for 30 years.

I'll update the words on the songs2play site as soon as poss.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Do you think that you're in love with me
From: songs2play
Date: 20 Sep 02 - 04:42 AM

If you would like to here this, there is a mp3 on the following site. A little too orchestrated, but the tune is there.

http://www.maxboyce.co.uk/music/songs.htm

blickie


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Gypsy (Frank Hennessey)
From: GUEST,gypo
Date: 29 Apr 11 - 06:56 AM

Can this song, as sung on an old vinyl of the Irish Hit parade ,be heard on u tube


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Gypsy (Frank Hennessey)
From: Abdul The Bul Bul
Date: 29 Apr 11 - 01:55 PM

........and of course, Frank hosts his excellent Radio Wales programme Celtic Heartbeat almost every Saturday evening for me to listen to on Sunday mornings.
Al


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Subject: Lyr Add: YOU CANNOT COME ALONG WITH ME
From: John C. Bunnell
Date: 09 Sep 18 - 03:36 AM

More data, and more questions....

First, there is in fact a version of this song on YouTube, as performed by Gaelic Storm.

That version, however, is *not* the one I first encountered in the mid-1980s...and the one I know uses a much different arrangement (though the underlying tune is essentially similar), is somewhat differently worded, and introduces a sharply different reading of the characters.

The song as I know it was performed by folk singer John Diehnel (then a solo performer, later half of a husband-wife duo first called Murphy's Law, then Shamrocks in the Wind). On the cassette I own, it's called "You Cannot Come Along With Me", and is played simply as a voice-and-guitar ballad delivered in a lightly melancholy tone.

Here are the lyrics:

YOU CANNOT COME ALONG WITH ME

music & lyrics:?
performed by John Diehnel ["Irish and Proud"]

You cannot come along with me, will you list’ to what I say,
You’re too young to go with me, girl, I must be on my way;
Stop your silly crying now, can’t you plainly see—
I’m a gypsy rover, love; you can’t come with me.

Go home, girl; go on home, can’t you see—
I’m a gypsy rover, love; you can’t come with me.

You met me at the carnival when your ma was there with you;
You liked me long brown ringlets, and my handkerchief of blue;
Though I’m very fond of you, you asked me home to tea –
I’m a gypsy rover, love, you can’t come with me.

REFRAIN

Your daddy is a gentleman; he would throw me in jail
He knows that I’m a poacher, and I’ve taken his best quail;
Don’t tell your ma we meet sometimes, behind the caravan;
She’d never let me talk to you; I’m a rambling gypsy man.

REFRAIN

I watched her walk away from me, a teardrop in her eye,
A little girl just eight years old, can’t really understand why;
She’s my little daughter; her mommy oh so fine
Once traveled in my caravan; she was a love of mine.

REFRAIN (x2)

I’m a gypsy rover, love; you can’t come with me.

////

What I find fascinating here is not just the shift in tone and pace from lively to thoughtful, but the 180-degree twist in the tail -- in the Hennessy/Gaelic Storm song, the gypsy is cast as a rogue and a rake; in this rendering, he's a loving, wistful parent bidding farewell to a child he cannot acknowledge as his own.

I am certain that wherever this version came from, it didn't originate with John Diehnel; I asked about the song's origin at the time I first heard it and got a shrug and a handwave. Percy French might have been mentioned, but I was skeptical of that attribution at the time and haven't had a reason to change my mind since.

If anyone else can shed any light on the relationship between the two variants, I'd be fascinated to know what the back story might be.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Gypsy (Frank Hennessey)
From: GUEST,Anne Lister sans cookie
Date: 10 Sep 18 - 05:02 PM

I'd suggest an email to Frank Hennessey at BBC Radio Wales (email via the BBC website) would probably elicit some answers. He's an old friend, honest as they come, and I'm sure he could tell you.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Gypsy (Frank Hennessey)
From: GUEST,Anne Lister sans cookie
Date: 10 Sep 18 - 05:02 PM

I'd suggest an email to Frank Hennessey at BBC Radio Wales (email via the BBC website) would probably elicit some answers. He's an old friend, honest as they come, and I'm sure he could tell you.


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