Subject: Tell me what Traditional Songs you sing. From: Bert. Date: 19 May 98 - 10:48 AM I've been singing my own songs too much lately and need to sing more traditional stuff. The one or two traditional songs I sing are beginning to wear a bit thin. Any ideas folks??? What are 'you' singing and what have you heard recently? Bert. |
Subject: RE: Tell me what Traditional Songs you sing. From: Bill D Date: 19 May 98 - 11:31 AM Bert..Max doesn't have room for the complete list *smile*...why not just go to the database and scroll thru lists in alphabetical order? If you can get to 'B' without saying "Oh...there's one!" you have too much will power! I sang recently 'Brazos River', 'I Never Will Marry', 'The Twa Corbies','Katie Cline','Lord Randal', several sea chanties, 'Engine 143','Life's Railway to Heaven', 'Little Joe', and 30 or 40 more.... |
Subject: RE: Tell me what Traditional Songs you sing. From: Alice Date: 19 May 98 - 11:48 AM My reaction to your message is the same as Bill's. My first thought was, 'oh, my God, at least a couple hundred. How could I list them all?'
Is there a particular subject you want to sing about? American folk? Irish, British, Australian....???
I think a database search is the best idea.
Give us a list of possible ones you want to learn, or a category and we will give you feedback about the songs.
What are the one or two trad songs you already sing? alice |
Subject: RE: Tell me what Traditional Songs you sing. From: aldus Date: 19 May 98 - 11:58 AM I tend toward unaccompanied singing and there are a number of things that are good for this.. Caledonia, Our Captain Cried All Hands, The Burning of Auchindoon, Lily of the West, Lord Gregory.. the list could go on forver.. I suggest you try the Data Base, lots of great stuff there. |
Subject: RE: Tell me what Traditional Songs you sing. From: erica Date: 19 May 98 - 11:59 AM well, a lot of the stuff i do is irish stuff and i don't know how traditional it all is--i think that i just don't know who did it. anyway, hmmm... "If I Was a Blackbird" isn't in the DT, at least not last time i checked, but it's real sweet; any version of the silkie song; my mind's not thinking right now--having trouble pulling 'em out. hell, i don't know. "the trees they do grow high", "come all ye fair and tendre maidens", "geordie", "black is the colour", a lot more, i don't know. get thee into the database!! should solve all your problems! (sorry i can't pull more out...) (maybe i should go back to bed) |
Subject: RE: Tell me what Traditional Songs you sing. From: Nora Date: 19 May 98 - 12:17 PM I'm really digging traditional appalachian gospel type stuff: Goin down in the valley to pray, Angel band, Precious memories, Will the circle be unbroken, Bright morning star, Further along we'll know all about it, etc. Most of those and more are in the database. Nora |
Subject: RE: Tell me what Traditional Songs you sing. From: Joe Offer Date: 19 May 98 - 02:12 PM I'm intrigued by this thread. I'm always looking for traditional songs that "work" for a modern audience. I guess I have to admit that most of the songs I perform were written in the last half-century and don't get much more traditional than the stuff done by the Kingston Trio and Peter, Paul and Mary. My singing is in church (from Catholic hymnals mostly, with a little gospel), camp (story songs with a chorus that's easy to learn (MTA, Mountain Dew), or long ones like "Hole in the Bottom of the Sea" and "The Old Lady that Swallowed a Fly"), and song circle (mostly from the "Rise Up Singing" songbook). I'm trying to add more traditional songs, especially in our song circle. -Joe Offer- |
Subject: RE: Tell me what Traditional Songs you sing. From: Bert Date: 19 May 98 - 02:19 PM Bill, Thanks, I'll try "Brazos River" & "Little Joe" Alice, I have an index of the database printed out and I browse it now and then but there are so many that I don't know. I generally prefer upbeat and humorous (and bawdy) songs. Songs that I often sing are... (and some of these may not traditional yet) The Sow Song Tom Pierce Woad The Cornish Nightingale Maggie May Spanish Ladies Liverpool Judies Bold Robert Emmet Noreen Bawn Putting on the Style The Barley Mow Vicar of Bray Thrashing Machine Aldus and others, Thanks, I'll look those up. Bert. |
Subject: RE: Tell me what Traditional Songs you sing. From: Petra A. Cosgrove Date: 19 May 98 - 06:09 PM Hmm.. myself and my sweetheart do a strange mix of things but.. Twa Corbies, The Foggy Dew, Bonny Ship the Diamond, When I was on Horseback, Bold Fenian Men, The Mary L. McKay (sp?), Uhmm... The Ballad of John Cook..... Those are the first that immediately popped into my head, although about 30 others quickly followed.. :) petra |
Subject: RE: Tell me what Traditional Songs you sing. From: Susan of DT Date: 19 May 98 - 07:09 PM Erica - If I Was a Blackbird is in the DT
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Subject: RE: Tell me what Traditional Songs you sing. From: Art Thieme Date: 19 May 98 - 09:14 PM As above! |
Subject: RE: Tell me what Traditional Songs you sing. From: Phil G. Date: 19 May 98 - 11:39 PM You might be missing the obvious and beating around the wrong bushes and all that... My advice is listen to some albums of traditional music and play the ones you like the best....if your heart is in it, it will transcend it's 'traditional' label....that's what make the songs traditional...someone cared enough about them to remember them, sing them and pass them on.. |
Subject: RE: Tell me what Traditional Songs you sing. From: Major Tom (majortom@netcom.com) Date: 19 May 98 - 11:44 PM Let's see The Ould Triangle Come Out Ye Black and Tans Men Behind the Wire Roddy McCorley Irish Soldier Laddie (See a pattern?) Haul Away Joe Oh You New York Girls The Irish Rover Boys of Killybegs Finnegan's Wake MTA Rosin the Bow ...Plus Many More
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Subject: RE: Tell me what Traditional Songs you sing. From: Alice Date: 20 May 98 - 12:36 AM I just checked in here for a quick peek. There have been lots of good suggestions. Bert, from your list, I think you would enjoy 'Eileen Oge'. Too late for me to type any more tonight. Susan's suggestion of Never Wed An Auld Man would fit into your theme, and I think you have your hands full with what has already been offered so far. alice |
Subject: RE: Tell me what Traditional Songs you sing. From: Big Mick Date: 20 May 98 - 10:52 AM You also might consider modern music based on traditional themes and arrangements. One of the best performers out there is Brendan Nolan. You might get a copy of his CD titled "Across the Great Divide" from Old Sagousha Music, at 5160 Mayfair, Montreal, Quebec, H4V 2E9, Ph:(514)488-6734 Some of the best on this CD are "Far From Their Home", "Beresford", "North of the Rio Grande". They are simple but beautifully crafted. Also "The Widow's Walk". All the best, Mick |
Subject: RE: Tell me what Traditional Songs you sing. From: Art Thieme Date: 20 May 98 - 11:46 AM I'd suggest any of Sam Hinton's recordings that show how songs sprang from each other (what has always been called the ORAL TRADITION--indeed, how the term "traditional" got to be called that)! A FAMILY TREE OF FOLKSONGS on the Decca LP label is simply wonderful. Another of this type of recording is on Folkways--also by Sam Hinton. I used to do this "medley" to show, entertainingly, how this might've occurred: "OLD BILL THE ROLLIN' PIN" (from the Georgia Sea Islands where a slave-culture lasted a long while after abolition because of the isolation.) "TELL OLD BILL"--from the mainland--these 2 have the same refrain --"This morning, this evening , so soon."---but a different tune. This version about urban violence. "FROG WENT A-COURTIN'"--from Grt.Britain--got same tune as the first song (or close) in America. "CRAWDAD SONG"---same tune. "MAMA DON'T 'LOW"--a jazz classic came up the river from New Orleans with Joe Olliver & Louie Armstrong. Again, same tune! "PITTSBURG TOWN"---A song some say by Woody Guthrie about Pittsbrg bein' a "smoky old town". Used as an organizing song for the A.F. of L./C.I.O. labor union (remember those?) Reagan did unions in when he destroyed the Air Traffic Controller's Union during their strike. At that point I'd say, "Let's see, how do I get out of this? We can make up our own traditional folksong right here and now!" I'd take the first line of the above songs and seemingly create, on the spot, a new song! TELL OLD BILL WHEN HE GETS HOME THIS MORNING THAT FROG WENT A COURTING AND HE DID RIDE--UH HUH SO YOU GET A LINE AND I'LL GET A POLE BECAUSE WE DONT'T CARE WHAT MAMA DON'T 'LOW IN PITTSBURG--LORD GOD, IN PITTSBURG!! (again--it's the SAME TUNE!)
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Subject: RE: Tell me what Traditional Songs you sing. From: Art Thieme Date: 20 May 98 - 11:56 AM Folks, Feel free to use any or all of the above! I'm glad to pass it along. Hell, this is supposed to be OUR MUSIC---it belongs to ALL OF US! That's how I got; now you've got it. Take it & run with it. And I'll go on the record here and now to say IT'S FINE WITH ME IF ALL OF YOU DUB MY ALBUMS> I'M GLAD TO PASS OUR MUSIC ALONG! Art Thieme |
Subject: RE: Tell me what Traditional Songs you sing. From: Bill D Date: 20 May 98 - 12:53 PM Well, Bert, your list is pretty good..mostly 'trad' or close to it... Joe's comment--"I'm always looking for traditional songs that "work" for a modern audience. " interested me...one of the tests of 'folk/trad' is that a song was so well liked for a long time, that it BECAME 'trad'. So, many of those songs just naturally 'work'...and many others do with a small amount of explanation of unusual terms. Part of the lure of 'folk' songs is that they are NOT always about exactly what the audience or singer does every day! We don't drive steam engines or rig sails or make whiskey in the woods...but the underlying human feelings and motivations are similar across many generations...and often easier to confront if they are NOT about 'current' stuff. Also, many of the tunes used in traditional songs simply lend themselves to 'joining in' more easily than a lot of newer songs written by more skilled and sophisticated musicians...there is room for everything..new songs, old songs, chorus songs...songs 'performed' solo...songs that reflect 'today', as well as songs that evoke 'yesterday'. I'm glad that Mudcat is making such a large list of 'memory joggers' available....it is sort of a way of stirring the soup to be sure that a lot of the good stuff doesn't sink to the bottom and get missed. (and, you can't go wrong with 'Brazos'! I ALWAYS get a good reaction with that whether the audience has heard it or not...'Little Joe' gets a more ...ummm..'varied' response...but it sure goes well on the autoharp) |
Subject: RE: Tell me what Traditional Songs you sing. From: Joe Offer Date: 20 May 98 - 01:28 PM Bill D - is "Brazos River" the song the database calls Rivers of Texas? You know, the one that goes, "lie, lie, lie, lee, lee, lee, give me your hand" - or is there another one about the Brazos that I'm missing? On the "Rivers of Texas" song, there's an alternate chorus that goes lie, lie, lie, lee, lee, lee, pole the boat onbut I can't remember the last line - anybody know it? does it alternate with the other chorus, or what? -Joe Offer- |
Subject: RE: Tell me what Traditional Songs you sing. From: dick greenhaus Date: 20 May 98 - 02:36 PM My Brazos River sweetheart has left me and gone. |
Subject: Lyr Add: DOWN BY THE EMBARRAS^^ From: Art Thieme Date: 20 May 98 - 03:20 PM "DOWN BY THE EMBARRAS" (pronounced---AM-BRAW) by Win Stracke,1963, a founder of the Old Town School Of Folk Music in Chicago & a great man.(after "Down By The Brazos")These are all Illinois rivers.I did this on _Songs O The Heartland_ with Cindy Mangsen on Kicking Mule Records---gone now. Dan Keding has written a good one for Wisconsin.
I've crossed the Des Plaines & forded the Vermillion,
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Subject: RE: Tell me what Traditional Songs you sing. From: Nathan Sarvis Date: 20 May 98 - 05:30 PM For those not familiar with Texas geography, "Brazos" rhymes with "Razz us". We had a folk duo perform at the local university a few years ago that sang it as "bras us" and we natives had to show our good manners by waiting until they were gone before snickering about it. |
Subject: RE: Tell me what Traditional Songs you sing. From: Roger Himler Date: 20 May 98 - 05:38 PM Well, I am glad you all know what a "traditional song" is. I'm sure I am confused. How old does a song have to be to be traditional? If we know who wrote the song is it traditional? So many questions and so little time. I've always liked "Four Nights Drunk" and "The Frozen Logger" in the humor vein. Might not be traditional though. I have begun to do a lot of acapella "Work Songs" from the Southern (USA) tradition: "Go Down Old Hannah", "Rosie", "Baby, Please Don't Go", and "Looky, Looky, Yonder". I get positive response from all of these. I'm doing more blues lately, and of course one might think many of them are traditional and many fit your bawdy and humorous criteria. Willie Dixon's "Built for Comfort" an often requested number for people who have heard me sing before. Of course, it helps to be built like Willie Dixon when you sing that song. Good luck with all of these. Roger in Baltimore |
Subject: RE: Tell me what Traditional Songs you sing. From: Bill D Date: 20 May 98 - 06:00 PM Roger...the question has been beaten to death..but I maintain that 'age' is only one of many indicators that a song might be considered 'trad', and defining 'folk' is not the same as defining 'trad'...I know songs that are only a few years old that 'feel' like the older stuff..(but not many!),,,it is not as simple as defining a 'classic' car or an 'antique' bed, but I think it is possible to make lists of characteristics which will allow differentating between some catagories...(others don't even admit the exercise as useful..*shrug*) |
Subject: RE: Tell me what Traditional Songs you sing. From: Barry Finn Date: 20 May 98 - 06:58 PM Roger, it's nice to see ya like the southern work stuff, I don't often run into many that like it enough to sing it. I've been at the prison thing for over 2 decades & most just gloss over it. It seems it can't find a spot of it's own, to sad & mournfull for the blues, to strenuous to stand along side of the shanties, to recent to be traditional & to simple for the songwriters, yet to strong to die. If Mystic, Conn. isn't to far for you in early June there will be a good bit of it at the seaport festival. Barry |
Subject: RE: Tell me what Traditional Songs you sing. From: aldus Date: 21 May 98 - 09:20 AM I'm really enjoying this thread. I see a lot of songs listed that I'd actually forgotten about and should sing more often. However, I was especially interested to see Berts' list which included "The Cornish Nightingale". I used to know this but have long since forgotten the words. If you wouldn"t mind Bert, could you send them along. Also, would you possible know the words to " Pasties And Cream"? I just thought there might be a Cornish connection.. |
Subject: RE: Tell me what Traditional Songs you sing. From: BRACKEN Date: 21 May 98 - 04:13 PM I guess my stuff must be ancient and not traditional. I have a hard time placing Kingston trio and that era into the "traditional" category. While they had some old popular tunes in their repetroire I would not class very many of them as "tradtional" |
Subject: RE: Tell me what Traditional Songs you sing. From: mmase@snet.net Date: 21 May 98 - 08:32 PM Trying to find a song called "That Old Irish Mother of Mine" If anyone know where I can buy a tape or CD with this song on it I would really appreciate it We had the song and it was robbed from my sister car. Thanks in advance. Nora |
Subject: RE: Tell me what Traditional Songs you sing. From: Earl Date: 22 May 98 - 08:22 AM For the past year or so my wife and I have been doing a set of traditional American murder songs (songs sung in America but not necessarily originating in America.) Going for as much diversity as possible, here's what we include:
"Pretty Polly"
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Subject: RE: Tell me what Traditional Songs you sing. From: Barbara Shaw Date: 22 May 98 - 12:30 PM I don't know if these are officially "traditional" but they are some of the ones we've been doing lately with a traditional feel to them: Amazing Grace Curtains of Night Hold Fast to the Right Long Black Veil Lorena Shady Grove Soldier's Joy Sweet Sunny South Take Me in Your Lifeboat The Sweetest Gift a Mother's Smile Twilight is Stealing Wildwood Flower Unclouded Day
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Subject: RE: Tell me what Traditional Songs you sing. From: Bert Date: 22 May 98 - 12:45 PM Everyone, I really don't know how to say thank you in a way that will show how much I appreciate your help. I have not only got some wonderful suggestions but I have got to know you all more, individually. I also have more of a feel for what people are singing and for what people consider to be traditional. I have a great deal of work to do now. First I'll brush up on those songs that I already know. Then I'll move on to the songs that I know of. And finally I'll look up those songs that I've never heard of. Thanks again, Bert. |
Subject: RE: Tell me what Traditional Songs you sing. From: Curlie Cornflake Date: 13 Feb 00 - 06:13 PM Bert Is there any chance of the words to the Thrashing Machine please? |
Subject: RE: Tell me what Traditional Songs you sing. From: Escamillo Date: 14 Feb 00 - 06:53 AM As usual, I'm learning something at the Mudcat. Would someone recommend me some traditionals to sing with a piano accompaniment ? (It's more than hard to find a couple of American folk musicians here in Buenos Aires). My voice is rather classical (not enough for grand opera, but classically educated). Shenandoah, My Old Kentucky, Old Folks at Home, several negro spirituals, all have been a pleasure for me and I would like to learn more with the advice from the wise people. Melancholic, emotional, even religious, are my taste. BONK ! - Andres' head (BONK is a joke from another thread, meaning a hard solid blocky head) |
Subject: RE: Tell me what Traditional Songs you sing. From: Amos Date: 14 Feb 00 - 09:23 AM A sweet religous item is "Abide With Me". In a Victorian vein you would probably enjoy doing "Only a Bird in A Gilded Cage". Corny but nice. Most of Steven Foster's songs were designed as parlor songs and often performed on pianos. And, personally, I think "Greensleeves" and "Sally Gardens" would sound lovely on piano with a classic voice behind them. A |
Subject: RE: Tell me what Traditional Songs you sing. From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 14 Feb 00 - 12:30 PM In the Irish vein, I love _Kevin Barry_ and _The Rising of the Moon_. Someone mentioned _The Brazos River_, which reminds me of _No Mo' Cane on the Brazos_. Dave Oesterreich |
Subject: Lyr Add: THE THRASHING MACHINE^^ From: Bert Date: 14 Feb 00 - 12:51 PM The Thrashing Machine (tune- Villikins and his Dinah) 'Twere way down in Dorset or so I heerd tell There lived a young maiden and her name it 'twere Nell Her were fair wide and handsome and sweet seventeen and her longed for a ride on me thrashing machine 'Twere one summer's morning in the merry month of May when most of the farmers were out making hay I cocked up me earholes and heard a girt scream I says aar there goes Nell on thick thrashing machine. 'Twere one summer's evening in the merry month of June when most of the farmers were a looking at the moon I says come to the barn Nell where us won't be seen and I'll show 'ee the works of me thrashing machine. I opened the barn door and there stood my dream her worked on the oil can while I worked up the steam 'twere wondrous to see both the thrust and the drive and when her come out 'twere more dead than alive. The flywheels and the pistons were a goin' around when from out the steam whistle came an 'orrible sound I puts down me hand for to cut off the steam but the chaff had been blown from me thrashing machine. Now nine months later this baby she bore the pride of his mother he was to be sure and under his napkin could plainly be seen a brand new two cylinder thrashing machine. |
Subject: RE: Tell me what Traditional Songs you sing. From: Dan Evergreen Date: 14 Feb 00 - 12:52 PM GOOD GOD BARBARA, DO YOU KNOW THE SWEETEST GIFT A MOTHER'S SMILE? I HAD FORGOTTEN ABOUT THAT JEWEL. PLEASE POST THE WORDS OR WORDS AND CHORDS (WC) SOMEBODY. |
Subject: RE: Tell me what Traditional Songs you sing. From: GUEST,kelli susie Date: 14 Feb 00 - 07:06 PM |
Subject: RE: Tell me what Traditional Songs you sing. From: GUEST,kelli susie Date: 14 Feb 00 - 07:08 PM Our group performs "Mother's Smile", I'd be happy to post the words and chords as I know them, however, I'm presently looking for copyright info on that song--does anyone know who wrote it originally--is it classified traditional, pulic domain (or are they the same). thank you. and i'll be back with words tomorrow. |
Subject: RE: Tell me what Traditional Songs you sing. From: Crowhugger Date: 14 Feb 00 - 07:35 PM Dan, please it's easier on my eyes if you don't SHOUT. Bert, maybe I'm going out on a limb here, since I didn't contribute (don't know the age of most of what I sing) but how about thanking everyone by singing the ones you love? When all's said and done, I don't know what else counts. Well, except of course teaching them to those who ask...
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Subject: RE: Tell me what Traditional Songs you sing. From: JedMarum Date: 15 Feb 00 - 09:00 AM Like others here, I sing a lot more than I can list, but these are ones I sing frequently. I pulled these from a set list: Down By The Glenside Grace Peter Amberly Get Along Home Cindy Grandfather's Clock Go Down Moses Poor Wayfarin Stranger Haul Away Joe Harvest Of Culloden Molly Malone Drill Ye Terriers Gypsy Rover Wid Mountain Thyme Roddy Mc Corley St James Infirmary Blues Stag'o'lee Rye Whiskey |
Subject: RE: Tell me what Traditional Songs you sing. From: kendall Date: 15 Feb 00 - 09:17 AM Lost Jimmy Whalen Kevin Barry Mistletoe Bough Lorena (all six verses) Will o Winsboro Henry Martin Lizzy Lindsey (not the Ronald McDonald version!!) I dont always know which ones are traditional..for instance, ROCK SALT & NAILS, I thought was traditional. Turns out, it was written by Utah Phillips. |
Subject: RE: Tell me what Traditional Songs you sing. From: Dan Evergreen Date: 15 Feb 00 - 10:10 AM Utah probably wrote that because of the Great Salt Lake and all. Hilarity aside, some of my favorites, from various genres, are "Homestead on the Farm," (bluegrass) "Lassie Wi' the Yellow Coatie," (Scots) "Red River Valley" (cowboy) "Rose of Tralee," (Irish) "Rose of Allendale," (Scots) and "Whiskey in the Jar." (Irish) |
Subject: RE: Tell me what Traditional Songs you sing. From: Sean Belt Date: 15 Feb 00 - 12:09 PM Gosh! Way too many to mention. But, a few are: Bogy's Bonnie Bell, Poor Wee Jockie Clark, Handsome Molly, Willie Moore, Delia (All I've Got Is Gone), Come All You Fair & Tender Ladies, East Virginia, Red Rocking Chair (I Got No Honey Babe), The Water Is Wide And now I'll be searching out and learning some of those the rest of you've listed, as well! - Sean |
Subject: RE: Tell me what Traditional Songs you sing. From: polesden Date: 15 Feb 00 - 06:01 PM How about listening to some of the recordings of "The Copper family" of Sussex, England who have been singing traditional songs passed down their family for hundreds of years, one of my favourites being "Babes in the wood" a lovely, lovely song. My favourite song at the moment(not Copper family) is "Bonny light horseman" Cheers Bob Merrett |
Subject: RE: Tell me what Traditional Songs you sing. From: pastorpest Date: 16 Feb 00 - 08:46 AM I agree with the sentiment that you go with your your musical interests and tastes. The supply of traditional songs is without limit. I particularly like songs from which I learn bottom up history: what was happenning to the poor and ordinary people and not just elites. One good example of that for me is "All Round My Hat" about a couple separated because one is shipped out to Australia for petty crime. There are a zillion variations of melody and lyric for this song. I am also fond of the Robert Burns songs. The poet wrote great lyrics capturing a rich variety of thoughts and feelings: everything including national identity, justice, rebellion, grief, love and a whole lot more. And he knew a good melody when he saw one. Finally I also like traditional songs of my own country, Canada. These songs enrich my sense of self. The whole process also enriches my enjoyment of songwriters who are steeped in traditional music and somehow it comes out in their songs which are about today's living. These songwriters link us at a feeling level, not just head, to our history. |
Subject: Lyr Add: THE SWEETEST GIFT A MOTHER'S SMILE^^ From: GUEST,kelli susie Date: 16 Feb 00 - 06:30 PM As I promised, here's the words to THE SWEETEST GIFT A MOTHER'S SMILE One day a mother came to a prison to seek an erring but precious son She told the warden how much she loved him it did not matter what he had done Chorus: (We do an optional round with it) She did not bring (bring to him) parole or pardon (pardon free) She brought no silver (brought no gold) no pomp nor style (him to see) It was a halo (halo bright) sent down from heaven (heaven's light) the sweetest gift (gift) a mother's smile (mother's smile) Her boy had wandered far from the fireside though she had pleaded with him each night but not a word did she ever utter that told her heartache her smile was bright She left a smile you can remember She's gone to heaven, from heartaches free Them bars around him will never change her He was her baby and e'r will be __________________________________________________ From what I have heard, Naomi Judd came across this song on a little 45 she found at a second hand record store in Kentucky made by two sisters "Hazel and Alice". They had listed "J. B. Coats" as the author. If anyone has anymore information--I'll be listening.
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