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Venthony 24 Aug 02 - 03:15 PM
Skipper Jack 24 Aug 02 - 03:56 PM
GUEST,.gargoyle 24 Aug 02 - 04:11 PM
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GUEST,leeneia 25 Aug 02 - 11:01 PM
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Subject: Keyboard into computer
From: Venthony
Date: 24 Aug 02 - 03:15 PM

This will sound hopelessly retro and analog to most of you, but I'm thinking about buying a small electronic keyboard to use for songwriting.

All of these things have a half-dozen inputs and outputs, including a MIDI connection -- whatever that may be -- which I'm told is for recording into a computer. How does this work? Can you rig up a mike to record vocals along with it?

The PC I have is a Hewlett Packard Pavilion, which does not seem to have a MIDI connection, but does have a quarter-inch input for an external mike. Will a keyboard work through this sort of computer? Do I need additional hardware or software?

All I want to do is make simple one-voice/keyboard demos that I can use as a sort of musical notebook. Would it be less trouble just to wire everything into a small tape or digital recorder?

Thirty years ago I was a pretty good hand with analog recording and PA gear, but it seems the world has changed in a big way.

Help!

Tony


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Subject: RE: Keyboard into computer
From: Skipper Jack
Date: 24 Aug 02 - 03:56 PM

I have a Yamaha keyboard and I have midi connections that I have connected to my sound card cable via a 13pin connection(for a joystick)and two midi connection "In & Out"

It is a simple matter to connect up.

But then you need a software programme such as Cakewalk for instance in order to record your music to the computer.

Just check your soundcard connection.You can probably get a cable from your local computer store.


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Subject: RE: Keyboard into computer
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 24 Aug 02 - 04:11 PM

I use a Roland keyboard with the same 13-pin connection and Cakewalk Software as Skipper. It is all very simple.

Tony - What city are you located in? Perhaps, I can give you a reference to a shop that specializes in modern electronic musical devices. A good salesman and telephone support during instalation are helpful the first time around. A good shop in one city knows others throughout the nation - for backup of "on-the-road-disasters.

One of my greatest original concerns was a connecting cable long enough (12 ft in my instance)to work around the given space.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle


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Subject: RE: Keyboard into computer
From: harpgirl
Date: 24 Aug 02 - 04:14 PM

so garg, with my digital four track Boss/Roland can I upload my songs from the smart card to a wave file or do I have to have cakewalk to burn a CD? What does Cakewalk do that my computer itself doesn't?


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Subject: RE: Keyboard into computer
From: Skipper Jack
Date: 24 Aug 02 - 04:34 PM

Harpgirl

Cakewalk is a programme which gives you the facility to record, edit, your recording and you can also notate a musical score and add words etc. I believe that you can upload your smart card and save the contents as a wave file? You don't need a Cakewalk programme to do that. (There are other software programmes on the market by the way!)


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Subject: RE: Keyboard into computer
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 24 Aug 02 - 05:26 PM

Most timely! I bought a Yamaha keyboard for a grandson who begins lessons next week. Perhaps I.....?


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Subject: RE: Keyboard into computer
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 24 Aug 02 - 05:58 PM

Cakewalk is one of MANY good editing programs...others include "SoundForge" and "Band in a Box."

They permit you to lay down track over track - re-create the acoustics of Carnegie Hall or the Grand Ol Opera or an intimate living room. You can edit out noises and pops and hisses.... And most importantly, to align the tracks precisely. i.e. you sang a perfect track at a 110 tempo but you acompanied it at 120, you can align the two and keep them in correct pitch.

For CD burning and WAV/MP3 conversion - Nero Burning has them all beat (for the moment) -

Your Humble Servant
Gargoyle


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Subject: RE: Keyboard into computer
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Aug 02 - 06:00 PM

Whooops....forgot....you need to use PC not Macs.


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Subject: RE: Keyboard into computer
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 24 Aug 02 - 06:28 PM

The question not answered is "does Venthony have a sound card?". Absence of a midi jack on the computer might suggest one of the older machines with a "motherboard business sound" installation.

I'd suggest a quick look at Start - Systems - Multimedia, select the MIDI tab and at least see if anything is there.

Pre-1995 or so, a lot of OEMs put some pretty strange stuff in their machines. Many of them, in the fine print, admit that their MIDI "emulates," but isn't really, one or the other of the popular soundcards.

Even if there is a "useable" OEM system, you are unlikely to get much support from the computer manufacturer. It seems that MIDI and other things musical are not "prime systems" to them.

If you want to get serious about doing something "musical," it may be worth the relatively small investment for an add-on sound card - if only for the sake of actually knowing what you've got to work with.

Advice from a knowledgeable local advisor (if you can find one) is strongly recommended, to at least be sure you have (or get) the required components in your system before you start "throwing new programs" on it.

John


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Subject: RE: Keyboard into computer
From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca
Date: 24 Aug 02 - 06:36 PM

> All of these things have a half-dozen inputs and outputs, including a
> MIDI connection -- whatever that may be -- which I'm told is for
> recording into a computer. How does this work? Can you rig up a mike
> to record vocals along with it?

For an explanation on MIDI go to MIDI Organization
Question 2 - No, you can't quite do that.

> The PC I have is a Hewlett Packard Pavilion, which does not seem to
> have a MIDI connection, but does have a quarter-inch input for an
> external mike. Will a keyboard work through this sort of computer? Do
> I need additional hardware or software?

Strange that it would have a Quarter-inch input. - No, a keyboard probably wouldn't work through this. If it is for a mic, it would be swamped by the line-out of a keyboard. For the MIDI port, you would probably need something to be plugged into the sound card to accept it.

> All I want to do is make simple one-voice/keyboard demos that I can
> use as a sort of musical notebook. Would it be less trouble just to
> wire everything into a small tape or digital recorder?

Perhaps. Your keyboard, if it has a speaker on it, could be the music, and you singing into the microphone of the recorder might be able pick up the sound of the keyboard.


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Subject: RE: Keyboard into computer
From: Venthony
Date: 24 Aug 02 - 10:46 PM

All of this sounds pretty obfuscated. Guess I'll just stick to my ancient four-channel analog unit. God how I hate the 21st century. Come to think of it, the 20th century wasn't much either.

LOL, Tony


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Subject: RE: Keyboard into computer
From: Escamillo
Date: 24 Aug 02 - 11:26 PM

Venthony, perhaps a visit to some friend who has made some experience would put things very clear for you. It is not complicated and will allow you to edit your own music, play with accompaniments, transpose, and will also be a door open to the rest of the world, since MIDI is a universal jergon among instruments and computers.

Neither I like this 21st century.. Un abrazo - Andrés


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Subject: RE: Keyboard into computer
From: bet
Date: 25 Aug 02 - 09:16 PM

Tony, I know the feeling I don't understand any of this new stuff. The old way seems so simple now. Kat's husband Rog says I need this and that and to do something but I have no idea what he is talking about. I'm just now trying to hook up one of my "Pepsi Note" keyboards (again Thanks to all who helped with the coupons) to a brand new G4 Mac the school distict installed in my room. I got on the phone to a Casio person and they're sending me what I hope I need! We'll see and I'll be back with questions. bet


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Subject: RE: Keyboard into computer
From: GUEST,sorefingers
Date: 25 Aug 02 - 09:34 PM

Nothing in the PC revolution is more irritating than this! You'd think they would've long since made a PC Keyboard with a piano underpart so one could fold away the the kb and then play on the keys beneath. It is not rocket science, in fact any kid could design and make it.


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Subject: RE: Keyboard into computer
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 25 Aug 02 - 11:01 PM

This may be an experience from the Golden Age, but some years ago I walked into a giant Computerstuff emporium, and I bought a music-learning kit called MusicStar. It included a little keyboard which can cover four octaves but is only 18 inches long. (I ignored the rest of the kit.) I think it cost $60.

This keyboard plugs into a Soundblaster soundcard, which has its own drivers. This means that you (or a serviceman) opens your computer, rams a card into a slot, closes the computer and puts some software on from CD or even some floppies. Then the cord from the keyboard plugs into the part of the soundcard that sticks out of your computer case.

In time, I bought Noteworthy Composer software to compose and arrange with. It cost $30. Noteworthy is pretty popular with Mudcatters.

I have been having fun (more or less) ever since.


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Subject: RE: Keyboard into computer
From: Venthony
Date: 26 Aug 02 - 12:41 AM

Let me rephrase the question -- now that I've done a little research -- or maybe even answer my own question. How are the pros, that is folk-oriented acoustic pros, doing this?

My guess is they've got nice little four- or eight-track coffee table DAT machines, or direct-to-drive infinity-channel machines, and don't screw around with all this make-one-home-PC-work-for-everything garbage.

Would this be a better way to go? Again, I just want an electronic notebook that I can play and sing into by wire or by microphone -- kind of a musical diary.

All this MIDI stuff sounds REALLY confusing, and -- reading between the lines -- like the technology isn't really there yet.

Love to you all, Tony


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Subject: RE: Keyboard into computer
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 26 Aug 02 - 04:06 AM

I have used MusicStar - a nice aspect is that you don't even need to use their mini-keyboard - it is possible to simply mouse click. It was a learning tool for a child. Yes, it does require a 13 pin "joystick" connection.

Tony - MIDI is over 15 years old....and was orinally an "Apple" thing. The technology is "there" and way beyond your imagination.....i.e. how about a "directional" single microphone that covers the entire stage but only clues in on a single voice wherever it moves....no need for radio mics anymore?

In the simplist of ways with the new technology, you will be having original WAV CD's that can play on ANYONE'S player, in their home, in their car etc.

For the "musical diary" you desire - why not use a small simple pocket cassett player?

It is obvious you lack the patience to work through the computer processes on your own. Check with your local univeristy - put an eight dollar advertisment in their newspaper and have a college kid tutor you in the basics.

When play becomes "work" the joy is gone.p>

Sincerely
Gargoyle


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Subject: RE: Keyboard into computer
From: Venthony
Date: 26 Aug 02 - 09:29 AM

Gargoyle,

Calm, soothing and wise words.

Thanks, Tony


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Subject: RE: Keyboard into computer
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 26 Aug 02 - 10:59 PM

Well, Ventheny, you said "I'm thinking about buying a small electronic keyboard to use for songwriting."

There are now two ways to get a new song down. You can record yourself singing it (or playing it on an instrument.) That is simple. I guess there is a lot of rock music out there which exists only in recorded form.

But if you want to produce a written copy, with a musical staff, with notes, and with lyrics that look professional, then MIDI teamed with music software is what you need.


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