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Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?

GUEST,Taliesn 30 Aug 02 - 04:49 PM
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Subject: Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?
From: GUEST,Taliesn
Date: 30 Aug 02 - 04:49 PM

With all of the preparation for the rememberance of this 21st century Pearl Harbor/ New York-style I just vent this question for the ages; Where the hell were all these so-called psychics , and their *channeling* prowess , *before* 9/11.

Got to be a song in their somewhere.


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Subject: RE: Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?
From: katlaughing
Date: 30 Aug 02 - 06:00 PM

Miight just as well ask where were the CIA, FBI and various other so-called *intelligence* outfits, eh?


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Subject: RE: Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?
From: smallpiper
Date: 30 Aug 02 - 07:52 PM

They were all keeping their heads down!


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Subject: RE: Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 31 Aug 02 - 12:04 AM

Probably the same place all the "Psychic Friends" Network people were before the company went bankrupt. Apparently three or four hundred of them failed to see into the future that they were gonna work several weeks without being paid....and then get fired.

Shucks, I would have figgered out there was something wrong the moment the TV ads stopped running......maybe I'M psychic!

Rick (who knows all and sees all)


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Subject: RE: Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Aug 02 - 12:39 AM

How about John Edward of Crossing Over...???

Why couldn't he get wome kind of warnings from the DEAD PEOPLE he talks to...???


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Subject: RE: Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?
From: NicoleC
Date: 31 Aug 02 - 12:56 AM

Who said that dying makes you smarter... or psychic? :)


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Subject: RE: Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?
From: InOBU
Date: 31 Aug 02 - 09:17 AM

Well on the other hand, none of them seem to have been at the WTC either, so maybe they knew, but just stayed away. Under the new American with us or against us laws, maybe we should charge them with complicity in terrorism?
Cheers Larry


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Subject: RE: Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?
From: Willie-O
Date: 31 Aug 02 - 10:35 AM

One thing about the CIA,and the FBI for that matter: for all their vast expenditures on so-called "intelligence" they have a miserable track record in predicting both the occurrence and direction of major events. For example the Iranian revolution of 1979, the collapse of the Soviet Union, the OK City bombing, the invasion of North America by the Beatles, etc. And obviously whatever they might have known about the WTC plans, they didn't do shit about it. (For that matter, the only reason the WTC didn't come down in 1993 was incredibly inept planning on the part of those bombers: they didn't know there were lower basement levels under where they parked the bomb, and the energy was diffused downwards)

I think part of the reason that intelligence agencies aren't very effective is that the high-status jobs in CIA and affiliates have to do with "Operations", influencing world events, rather than dispassionately studying them which is their supposed primary mandate.

W-O


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Subject: RE: Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?
From: Peg
Date: 31 Aug 02 - 10:46 AM

I remember a few months ago when some idiot decided to pose that same question to the "leaders" of the pagan community; along the lines of, hey you guys are witches, why didn't you KNOW this would happen?

Maybe it's even the same idiot, who knows? In any case this troll does not deserve a reply.


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Subject: RE: Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Aug 02 - 01:05 PM

If a psychic HAD walked into a gov dept. and said he had "seen" two planes crashing into WTC, Pentagon etc. who would have listened to them, let alone believed them?


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Subject: RE: Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?
From: Amos
Date: 31 Aug 02 - 01:06 PM

He'd'a been rounded up pretty damn fast the next day, though!

A


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Subject: RE: Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?
From: Amos
Date: 31 Aug 02 - 01:59 PM

My psychic powers tell me there will be a rerun in the next eight months, just for the record...

A


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Subject: RE: Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?
From: GUEST,Oh my ,Ms Peg. Touched a nerve there.
Date: 31 Aug 02 - 03:17 PM

(quote) "I remember a few months ago when some idiot decided to pose that same question to the "leaders" of the pagan community; "

My, my, didn't mean to blow smoke up yer wicka . In reference to yer denegration of "Loyal Order Village Idiocy " one would could only observe that , at a gathering of "the leaders" ( no less ) of the pagan community, one pagan's idiot is another person's savant. Y'all didn't vote to turn him into a goat now did ya?

(quote) "Maybe it's even the same idiot, who knows?"

Oh my ,Ms Peg , you *are* taking the kidding of psychics way too seriously and where you apparently take it so very *personally* , as if it's an attack on your "wickaness" as to compare this to an attack on "the leaders"( all gods be praised )of the pagan community suggests to me that there's apparently more than ritual nookie going on 'round ye ol' Stonehenge these days, right,right?

(quote) "In any case this troll does not deserve a reply."

Then pray ,m'dear nymph-o-the-wood and crop circle-dancer, why did y'all?


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Subject: RE: Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?
From: Peg
Date: 31 Aug 02 - 04:07 PM

Yup. As I thought. Same idiot.

No nerve touched...in fact I notice YOU spent a LOT of time jumping up and down (albeit too far from a dictionary to spell anything correctly) and pointing the finger at me. I do not take crap like this personally. I am really way too busy for that. But good luck getting a life.


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Subject: RE: Oh my word,Ms Peg.
From: GUEST,Taliesn
Date: 31 Aug 02 - 04:32 PM

I knew it ,ya'll fianlly did turn that poor soul into a goat after all, didn't ya dear.

(quote) "I do not take crap like this personally. I am really way too busy for that."

My, I guess *channeling* doth have its rigors. Forgive me ,Luv?


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Subject: RE: Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 31 Aug 02 - 04:49 PM

"Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?"

Same as always... they were running around with their heads up their collective butts, bilking emotionally needy people out of money they probably should spend on counselling...

And maybe treadmills...

Round up all the 'psychics' and let them call bingo... they should be able to do it without the balls...


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Subject: RE: Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?
From: Amos
Date: 31 Aug 02 - 06:30 PM

How do you call Bingo without the balls?

A


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Subject: RE: Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?
From: Amos
Date: 31 Aug 02 - 06:59 PM

I think Clinton has actually invented a NEW epithet -- "You don't have enough balls to call a Bingo game". Right up there with Fields' "I wouldn' piss in yer ear if yer brain was on fire...." and the like. Good job, CH!

A


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Subject: RE: Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?
From: katlaughing
Date: 31 Aug 02 - 07:11 PM

Someone who really has the *Gift* would hold it close, sharing it with others who seek and are respectful. (No one would have believed anyone if they had tried to warn about WTC.) They do not hawk it on tv, nor shout it from the rooftops, and they do not charge money for it.

They most definitely would not share it in a forum such as this. One reason, for me, at least, is how stupid and sad it seems that it is okay for *friends* to heap such ridicule. This has been going on for a long time, here, at the Mudcat. We've worked through the "agree to disagree" and "try to be respectful" on a lot of issues, but this one, which must make a lot of people uncomfortable, seems to still be a favourite punching bag. Like I said, sad and stupid and most definitley censorous.


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Subject: RE: Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?
From: DougR
Date: 31 Aug 02 - 07:43 PM

I doubt the Psychic would be caught, Amos. After all, shouldn't he/she forsee that the FBI was searching for him/her? They would hide out in a place where they would know they would be safe.

DougR


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Subject: RE: Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 31 Aug 02 - 07:44 PM

"Someone who really has the *Gift*"... Is probably just as deluded about the rest of their lives as well...


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Subject: RE: Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?
From: GUEST,Taliesn
Date: 31 Aug 02 - 08:21 PM

(quote) "....how stupid and sad it seems that it is okay for *friends* to heap such ridicule. This has been going on for a long time, here, at the Mudcat." Well my sincere apologies for unintentionally contributing to an apparently *already existing* situation that has this subject as a "favorite punching bag". This is a surprise to me.

However I do take exception to someone here immediately resorting to concious nastiness as in this opening : ( quote ) "I remember a few months ago when some *idiot* decided to pose that same question..... ...."Maybe it's even the same idiot, who knows?"

This doesn't sound like much of a pre-existent "agreeing to disagree" policy to me. I was quite content to just let the thread dissolve away as I read to see whom would share in the humor. Apparently , by your commentary , there already is some "unresolved" sensitivity regarding the treatment of this subject. Again, my apologies. I could not know and , considering the subject's sensitivity , I won't make the easy wisecrack of why. However if anything is censorable it is *usually* the resorting to insult and name calling right out of the gate to make one's counter-point. This gets my Irish up and , again , my apologies for giving in to the passions of a moment's provocation. I'll govern my future threads more cautiously though there is this odd queasiness over redress from a messageboard that allowed well over 100 posts on the enlightened subject of , how shall I put this delicately, "breaking wind".

But far be it for me to cry foul. I'm just a guest here.


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Subject: RE: Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?
From: Peg
Date: 31 Aug 02 - 08:35 PM

Anonymous guests have no right to dictate Mudcatters' behavior. I mean, give me a break already.

You posted to get a response, you got one. You must be delirious with pleasure.


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Subject: RE: Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?
From: Amos
Date: 31 Aug 02 - 08:46 PM

Nicole:

Dying doesn't make you smarter; but once you get used to the condition you get a lot more to know about, since you aren't running everything through the amazingly thick filtering system of the body/current identitiy complex. It's a basic survival mechanism to shout out a lot of possible information when running a human-class identity, because it really has a very weak bandwidth tolerance, so to speak.

Peg: y'all having a bad day out there? Or just tired of putting up with noise? I'd accept any apologies offered, myself, in the interests of toning down the seriousness of things. But that's jes' me.

A


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Subject: RE: Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?
From: Peg
Date: 31 Aug 02 - 08:51 PM

Amos;

Not a bad day, especially. I just thought the initial question was dumb. And it did remind me of the afore-mentioned idiot.

The chosen moniker of our "guest" is the same as one used by a notorious pariah/shit-starter in the pagan community who used to cause all sorts of trouble on Usenet...so, yeah, I do have my suspicions. Not that it matters. But the level of personal remarks directed at me tells me this person has perhaps done some searching around about me and I find that pathetic.

thanks, BTW.

peg


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Subject: RE: Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?
From: Amos
Date: 31 Aug 02 - 09:11 PM

Clinton --

Y'know usually I have a lot of respect for the things you post. But the notion that a psychic gift must be a delusion (I ain't saying it CAN'T be a delusion) is awfully arrogant. As you probably know the last twenty years of intense study of AI and cogntiive science, as the eggheads call it, have failed to turn up a viable explanation for the phenomenon of awareness, and the remearkable gap between signal relays (as in nerves and other kinds of cells) and understanding/consciousness/awareness.

In the absence of such a model, it would seem awfully presumptuous to dictate to others what they may or may not be aware of, given that you have no way to tell where those boundaries are without an explanation for the phenomenon.

Given that better minds than mine have wrestled long and hard witht his issue and been unable to come up with a model that explains it, I would think twice before making a remark such as yours above, for fear of looking like a really arrogant yahoo rather than a thinking and intelligent person...

Honi soit qui mal y pense, I guess. Somethign like that.


A


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Subject: RE: Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?
From: Peg
Date: 31 Aug 02 - 09:39 PM

Precognitive visions and dreams are well-documented phenomena. I have had them myself. I am far from delusional. Deluded, perhaps. But not delusional. ;)

It is believed that anyone can nurture their metaphysical abilities. They are simply more dormant in some people than in others. Just as a natural athlete has to work less hard than someone who is naturally more inclined to be somewhat clumsy or slow or lacking in dexterity.

That is not to say that there aren't scam artists out there, or, in some cases, true psychics who have decided to make a profit on their ability and thereby corrupt their gift. But there are certainly a great many individuals out there who are more psychically aware and attuned than others. Witches and other magic practitioners spend a great deal of time trying to nurture these skills, which can be used in divination and towards various modes of self-transformation. Sometimes it is subtle, as when one has a gift for interpreting the tarot but is unable to develop an aptitude for psychometric activity. And there is a difference among the various psychic arts: clairvoyancy is not psychometric ability is not precognition is not aura-reading...well, you get the idea.

We spend a third of our lives asleep, part of that time dreaming. A great deal of psychic activity occurs while we dream. This is clearly by nature's deign. Who are we to poo poo it?


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Subject: RE: Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?
From: Peg
Date: 31 Aug 02 - 09:41 PM

oops! That penultimate sentence should read "THis is clearly by nature's DESIGN."

peg

I had a feeling there would be a typo in that post, heh heh...


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Subject: RE: Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?
From: Amos
Date: 31 Aug 02 - 09:46 PM

Well, given the volume, and quality of the impassioned dissertation, I guess ya coulda seen it coming there would be one lil error in it. The Chinese ancients used to mar their jade and ceramic art pieces intentionally in some small way so the universe wouldn't get pissed at them for presuming perfection. Intersting brand of humility, i guess. So you're in great company!


A


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Subject: RE: Peg, finally some clarity
From: GUEST,Taliesn
Date: 31 Aug 02 - 10:32 PM

(quote) "The chosen moniker of our "guest" is the same as one used by a notorious pariah/shit-starter in the pagan community who used to cause all sorts of trouble on Usenet...so, yeah, I do have my suspicions."

So you came to this thread armed with some preloaded attitudes that I've had *zero* to do with. Honestly I wouldn't know you from Eve online or otherwise. I was responding in kind to the way you chose to express the baggage that you borught to the thread.

For your reocrds; I chose the name *Taliesn*, with its purposely altered spellng from the traditional name *Taliesin*, because I'm a Frank Lloyd Wright afficianado and always enjoyed the meanings that Mr.Wright drew upon when deciding on that naming of his Lloyd Jones ancenstral estate of land in Spring Green,Wisconsin.

I finally had the pleasure of digital videotaping my entire visit to his "Taliesin West" in the Scottsdale section of Phoenix,Arizona last September 22.

I chose the omitted "i" spelling of Taliesn because I orginally used it as a password that required no more than 7 letters.

(quote) "Not that it matters."

Apparently it still matters rather acutely.

(quote) " But the level of personal remarks directed at me tells me this person has perhaps done some searching around about me and I find that pathetic. "

Then why didn;t you just plain ask me, *directly*? It's just amusing that the thought of the cause for my personal remarks being "directed at you" of having anything to do with your "jumping to conclusions" and immediately attacking never entered your mind. Best to attack first and damn the possibility of a mistake., Eh? To then further attempt to justify your bringing your personal grudge-match here because you believe it has now *followed* you here raises an entirely new question about what one may deem pathetic.

In conclusion, I have , nor have I ever had, anything to do with harassing *any* spiritual groups, pagan or otherwise, on messageboards.......though I have had a couple of rather spiritied *email* debates with some rather defensive Scientologists, but that 's another space in another time.

I trust where I coming from is now rendered crystaline.


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Subject: RE: Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?
From: Mickey191
Date: 31 Aug 02 - 10:50 PM

Folks, Can't we all just get along? Peg, and others,I'm interested in your opinion of John Edwards I have seen him do some remarkable readings. It's hard for me to believe it is trickery. I have seen others who have good standing in the physic world but whose readings are laughable. What say you?


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Subject: RE: Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?
From: Peg
Date: 31 Aug 02 - 11:31 PM

Mickey, I have only seen John Edwards once and I am normally skeptical of anyone doing this sort of thing on TV. But I did think he was rather remarkable. Very natural and unassuming, seems to really think what he has is a gift to be shared.

GUEST: Ya know, you are a perfect example of a person who likes to use big fat high-falutin' words but has no idea what they're talking about. I don't know if the pretentious rhetoric is some way of disguising your identity from your other GUEST posts on Mudcat and don't really care. But I can't take your passive-agressive attack on me seriously because, well, your command of the English language is just not what you seem to think it is.

Free tip: Lose the anonymity and maybe someone will be interested in your opinions.


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Subject: RE: Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?
From: Galatians2:20
Date: 31 Aug 02 - 11:49 PM

Wow...

I am a Christian... from the chill in this place I had better keep my trap shut, huh? I'm new here and I wouldn't want to get ripped to shreds so soon... better not have any personal spiritual onvictions of my own or the first time I make a mistake, someone might tear me all up like they just did the psychic community... since when did being psychic or being anything besides perfect automatically make you a "voice of the people"? I know PLENTY of "spiritual" types who do not want to be a fountainhead of knowledge for the rest of humanity... so stop volunteering people to do so against their will (or knowledge).

2:20


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Subject: RE: Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?
From: Peg
Date: 31 Aug 02 - 11:56 PM

huh?

Is it me or did that last post make no sense?

Is our GUEST suffering from schizophrenia as well as delusions of grandeur?

I am not sure who here is "volunteering people against their will (or knowledge)"...when did this occur?

The passive-aggression is so thick in here you can cut it with a knife.


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Subject: RE: Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?
From: Galatians2:20
Date: 01 Sep 02 - 12:12 AM

Hi Peg,

What I meant (sorry for jumping in so quickly) was that there seem to be people that were VERY unforgiving in their attitude towards the psychic community... I am sure there are many people who claim psychic ability who were saddened by their own failure to say anything... When we say that they were "at fault" for not shouting their psychic visions from the rooftops, we are "volunteering" them against their wills as people who represent the rest of us without asking the psychic folks if they want that burden... I hope that made a little more sense...

Peace,

2:20


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Subject: RE: Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?
From: Peg
Date: 01 Sep 02 - 12:23 AM

there seems to be two ideas afloat here: one, that psychics may have known something yet said nothing and that people are angered by that...and two, that even if someone did have psychic visions of 9-11 they should not be called to task for having said nothing.

But I think the original poster of the thread was commenting on those "legitimate" and professional psychics who make a living from predicting the coming year's big events...and why such people had no inkling this would happen, or if they did, they did not share it with the rest of us.

I think it is pointless to follow this line of inquiry any further. Better to look at WHY this happened and find ways to prevent it happening again. The damage is done and now we have to try and learn something from it.


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Subject: RE: Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?
From: Galatians2:20
Date: 01 Sep 02 - 12:27 AM

Amen.


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Subject: RE: Finally we're in agreement
From: GUEST,Taliesn
Date: 01 Sep 02 - 07:46 AM

(quote) "But I think the original poster of the thread was commenting on those "legitimate" and professional psychics who make a living from predicting the coming year's big events...and why such people had no inkling this would happen, or if they did, they did not share it with the rest of us."

Finally perfect clarity and agreement. (Took awhile, but I was hoping for some "positive" closure ) Now why couldn't this have been your original response?

This is precisely what I was getting at with hopes that a little humor could have arisen in the process.

I'm only too happy to let this ringing flash of *understanding* to serve as a positive end of the subject. Next time just plain ask if someone is , or is not, whom you *think* they are before then electing to go on the personal attack. No one likes it . And I far prefer the cordiality of honest kidding that comes from a presense of commraderie rahter than raw *provocation* that I failed in governing my own passion-of-the-moment and giving into it.

Like I said, my New York Irish heritage don't take no crap either.

peace


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Subject: RE: Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?
From: Peg
Date: 01 Sep 02 - 09:07 AM

Dear still-anonymous GUEST:

I never accused you of being anyone. Since you refuse to actually offer an identity it would be hard to disprove in any case.

Your sarcasm and continued passive-aggressive words do not serve as an "end" to anything as you clearly still want to have the last word and impress everyone with your affected verbal prowess (I would still look for that dictionary if I were you).


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Subject: RE: Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?
From: Amos
Date: 01 Sep 02 - 10:31 AM

Whut we hayuve hyere is a faylure to cuh-MOON-ikate, boys.

:>) Good thing this isn't a music thread, huh?

A


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Subject: RE: Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?
From: RichM
Date: 01 Sep 02 - 03:26 PM

Many different believers and non-believers meet on forums like this. I see no point in trying to "convert" anyone through intellectual discussion. It's like talking about music: It sure ain't the same thing as playing or listening to it!

We are all branches of the same tree, but trying to explain to a "root" what it's like to be a " leaf" is problematic.

If you are at all interested in phenomena psychic, you'll find them--unless you are simply starting out from the premise of "disproving" them.
Live and let live, I say...


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Subject: RE: Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?
From: Gareth
Date: 01 Sep 02 - 03:36 PM

Mmmm ! Taliesn - A well known Celtic Bard - Didn't see Edward comming, or the death of Llewellyn the Great.

Now a fortnight before the explosion,
To the shot firer Tomlinson cried
'If you fire that shot, we'll all be in hell!'
And no one can say that he lied!"

Gareth


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Subject: RE: Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?
From: Bill D
Date: 01 Sep 02 - 05:41 PM

well, *I* think the person that REALLY has her psychic 'shtick' going right is that "Pet Psychic" I have seen on TV lately!....she looks DEEP into the eyes of yer favorite dog, parrot, horse, alligator..(yes, alligator!), or hamster, and tell you what it's problems are and how happy it is with you!........and you know what?...not one pet has EVER said she's wrong!

Such a deal!...Dionne Warwick shoulda tried this...she might still be going!


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Subject: RE: Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Sep 02 - 07:15 PM

Too bad all the people in the world that believe in psychic bullshit wern't in the basement of the twin towers last 9/11. Sure would have improved the worlds gene pool.


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Subject: RE: Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?
From: Amos
Date: 02 Sep 02 - 11:42 AM

I had a premonition some asswipe would add to this thread!! Now look!!


Amazing, huh???


A


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Subject: RE: Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 02 Sep 02 - 01:41 PM

Cassandra, daughter of Priam King of Troy, had the double burden of being able to forsee bad things happening, and of never being believed when she tried to warn people.


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Subject: RE: Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?
From: harvey andrews
Date: 02 Sep 02 - 02:50 PM

"It is believed" Peg explains. Exactly.And the human race and its various tribes believe in many, many things from extra terrestrial caused crop circles to psychic phenomena. The word to look for always is "proven".


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Subject: RE: Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?
From: Amos
Date: 02 Sep 02 - 02:54 PM

Proof in the matter of individual perception is a pretty slipper slope, Harvey! It is really tricky to use the disciplines of repeatability and peer confirmation on something as plastic, volatile and non-conforming with material attributes as the human psyche. For just one thing there is a good body of evidence that the psyche completely disobeys the unidirectionalnature of time on which physical proof methods depend! (See Larry Dossey's books on the non-local nature of personal influence).

But the fact that material protocols are difficult to use in proving things about it certainly does not support the notion that "it" doesn't even exist!! :>)

A


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Subject: RE: Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?
From: harvey andrews
Date: 02 Sep 02 - 05:32 PM

Amos the human race is soooo gullible that proof of a belief is the only way I can work. When the first alien makes real contact, when the first event is correctly predicted, when the first crop circle is filmed in the making, when the Madonna's tears are analysed, when the aubergine really does contain the Koran,when the first evangelical meeting "miracle" really is permanent regained sight or tumour disappearance leading to a long life,when Elvis sings again!!! I'm just an old sceptic who would love to "believe". I have many believer friends and they seem happier in many ways than I feel myself but somehow these damned eyes of mine keep seeing the Emperor with no clothes on. Can't help it. Just the way I am. A confirmed believer in non-believing.


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Subject: RE: Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 02 Sep 02 - 05:32 PM

This is drift on my part, but it seems a natural enough drift.

The truth is these things always come out of the blue unpredictable, and then looking back they seem inevitable, and it seems strange that people lived through the times leading up to them sleepwalking, as if they must have known what was coming.

The months leading up to the First World War are a classic example. In a secondhand bookshop I once came across a book (I don't mean a book about it, I mean the actual physical book) in which young people at a New Year party had been writing down their signatures in ink, and playing a party game involving signatures. The idea was, you write the name along the line, and then fold the paper along the line - the strangest patterns emerge. It was New Year 1914, and the name of the game, written in the book, was "Ghosts of My Friends."


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