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What are the worst lyric screwups you've

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Subject: RE: What are the worst lyric screwups you've
From: Mr Happy
Date: 28 Oct 02 - 03:25 AM

genie,

'All too often, I sing "Keep your eye upon the throttle and your hands upon the rail."'["Life's Railway To Heaven." ]

this line's familiar to me from another song: 'union miners'

do you have the words to "Life's Railway To Heaven." please.

cheers,

mr h


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Subject: RE: What are the worst lyric screwups you've
From: Genie
Date: 28 Oct 02 - 03:37 AM

Mr Happy, it's in the DT , here, here.

Genie

(glad to know I'm not the only one to screw up that line)


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Subject: RE: What are the worst lyric screwups you've
From: Grab
Date: 28 Oct 02 - 08:09 AM

Never did mention the well-known Alanis Morrisette line:

"It's not fair to remind me of the cross-eyed bear that you gave to me..."

Graham.


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Subject: RE: What are the worst lyric screwups you've
From: Genie
Date: 28 Oct 02 - 03:41 PM

Was Alanis's bear named "Gladly"


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Subject: RE: What are the worst lyric screwups you've
From: PaulBobbyBuzz
Date: 31 Oct 02 - 01:55 PM

My wife says I HAVE to submit this one; while we were singing Clapton's "Wonderful Tonight", I (somewhat under the influence ) wound up singing in the last chorus... "I'm so wonderful..." It cracked her up so much she couldn't finish! She has never let me forget this (I lovingly refer to her as the 'pit bull') and brings it up whenever we're reminiscing about gigs and fun stuff. i was told once by a choir person that if yuou forget the words and are singing in a large group, just mouth the word "watermelon" a few times, and no one will be the wiser (It seems the varitey and placement of the syllables and voinings could be taken for almost any words). Later pbb


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Subject: RE: What are the worst lyric screwups you've
From: JedMarum
Date: 31 Oct 02 - 05:31 PM

many years ago, my good friend Fred had asked me to play at his wedding - and Mom-in-law to be asked me to sing "Sunrise/Sunset" from the Fiddler on the Roof play. Fred was not bothered by his lack of height (one of those short guys without the short guy complex) but his Mother-in-law to be was a bit of busy body and I am certain she thought her daughter would look better marrying a taller Fred.

So at the wedding rehearsal I sang, "When did she get to a beauty? When did he grow to be so small?"

We all had a good chuckle - but Mom went through the roof, "Don't you dare sing that tomorrow!" she finger pointed to me emphatically. Of course, I wouldn't have dreamed of it.

;-)


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Subject: RE: What are the worst lyric screwups you've
From: Genie
Date: 31 Oct 02 - 08:06 PM

In the French (original) version of Autumn Leaves (Les Feuilles Mortes), there are two lines that I screw up every once in a while. One says, "Moi, je t'aimais, toi, tu m'aimait." (I hope I got those "person" endings right.) Occasionally, I slip and sing, "Moi, je m'amais, tois, tu t'amiait." So instead of my words meaning "I loved you and you loved me," what I sing means "I loved me and you loved you." (No wonder "...la vie separe ceux who s'aiment..." -- "life separates lovers"--a line that comes later in the song.!)

Genie


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Subject: RE: What are the worst lyric screwups you've
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 01 Nov 02 - 03:30 AM

"La mer a effacé les pas des amants désuni", I think, Genie; but you have as much chance of being saved by a freak high tide as you have of the ground opening up to swallow you. (Unless you live in Dudley, of course!)

Steve


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Subject: RE: What are the worst lyric screwups you've
From: Genie
Date: 01 Nov 02 - 07:39 AM

Steve, IIRC, that last verse goes:
"Mais la vie separe ceux qui s'aiment
Tous doucement, sans faire de bržit,
Et la mer efface sur le sable
Les pas des amants dŽsunis."

(But life separates those who love, very softly, without making any noise, and the sea wipes away from the sand the steps [read: footprints] of separated lovers.)

Sorry about that "who" that I studk into the French line in place of "qui." (I do that sometimes when I'm thinking sort of half in one language and half in another.)

Genie


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Subject: RE: What are the worst lyric screwups you've
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 01 Nov 02 - 10:56 AM

Apologies, Genie! You're right, of course. I blame that Bobby Darin.


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Subject: RE: What are the worst lyric screwups you've
From: Marc
Date: 01 Nov 02 - 01:09 PM

And if you break my heart my son
All will be hell when the day is done


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Subject: RE: What are the worst lyric screwups you've
From: Genie
Date: 24 Nov 02 - 10:06 PM

I don't know if it's one of my "worst," but the other day I was singing "My Favorite Things" for a retirement home group, and I gaily warbled:

"...Cream colored ponies with blue satin sashes...".

Seemed kinda silly. Then on reflection, I realized that some folks DO dress ponies up in satin sashes (braided into their tails and manes)!

Genie


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Subject: RE: What are the worst lyric screwups you've
From: Mr Happy
Date: 25 Nov 02 - 09:55 AM

'raindrops on noses, .....' [the good life]


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Subject: RE: What are the worst lyric screwups you've
From: GUEST,peter@murtagh17.freeserve.co.uk
Date: 17 Feb 03 - 05:05 PM

not a song lyric screw-up,but a screww up of almighty proportions.

Trying to explain to my senior history class about a moment in British History when the parliamnet refused to extend voting reform to one class, as this would open the floodgates to all groups demanding the franchise. I decided to use the metaphor of the little dutch boy who, obeying his parents, stems the leak in the sea wall by sticking his finger in the leak.
Unfotunately
1) the present generation of children no longer seem to learn such stories as children.
2) when I was a child, a dyke was a sea wall, nothing else.

So imagine the expression on the senior students faces when I absentmindedly and in all innocence announced,
   "It's just like the little dutch boy who spends all night with his finger up a dyke!"


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Subject: RE: What are the worst lyric screwups you've
From: Beccy
Date: 17 Feb 03 - 05:17 PM

My honey, God Bless him, grew up thinking that "Love lift us up where we belong" was actually, "The Lip goes up where we belong..." and he was quite flabbergasted, at the age of 35, to learn the actual lyrics. He said that he never understood why that nonsense song was so popular.... :-)


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Subject: RE: What are the worst lyric screwups you've
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 05 Mar 03 - 07:12 PM

I just realized tonight while perusing another lyric site, that I had totally misheard one of the lines in my favorite adolescent pop song "North to Alaska", sung by Johnny Horton in 1960 or 1961.

The actual line goes

"North to Alaska, go north, the rush is on"

For over forty years I have thought he was singing

"North to Alaska, go north to Russia zone"

I suppose that is the penalty one pays for being attentive in history and geography classes....


Murray


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Subject: RE: What are the worst lyric screwups you've
From: Genie
Date: 06 Mar 03 - 12:21 AM

Beccy,

For a long time -- until I actually heard a DJ or somebody say the line clearly -- I thought that Joe Cocker was singing "The lift is up where we belong," and it didn't make any sense to me, either. I still think it sounds like that's what he's singing.

Genie


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Subject: RE: What are the worst lyric screwups you've
From: GUEST,kenny rogers
Date: 24 Jun 03 - 02:19 PM


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Subject: RE: What are the worst lyric screwups you've
From: GUEST,s. Burns
Date: 24 Jun 03 - 02:21 PM

I grew up singing...

You've picked a bad time to leave me lucille, 400 children and crop in the field.


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Subject: RE: What are the worst lyric screwups you've
From: Barb'ry
Date: 24 Jun 03 - 05:47 PM

Constantly cocking up a line in 'Bold Poachers' and sing 'a-firing at the peasants' instead of pheasants! Trouble is that everyone notices and the rest of the song (which I usually get right) is drowned by totally unsympathetic laughter!


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Subject: RE: What are the worst lyric screwups you've
From: GUEST,KB
Date: 25 Jun 03 - 05:52 AM

A very good friend of mine learns songs from CDs.

So far we have had Candle in the Wind ending with the immortal line "For the fifth hour, Marilyn Munroe"

And in Good Old Boys Like Me we have
"those Williams boys they still mean a lot to me, Thankyou Tennessee"

Kris


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Subject: RE: What are the worst lyric screwups you've
From: GUEST,Dave H.
Date: 25 Jun 03 - 10:36 AM

Ain't kids wonderful!

When my son was about 7 or so and we were on our way to vacation with the inlaws for Christmas we heard him softly singing "Tater Tots with their eyes all a'glow" Sort of makes sense as 'taters do have eyes. Still the laughter took us through a few miles.

When my daughter was 4 she was attending preschool and was taught The River is Wide and Deep along with hand movements. She could never keep the movements right so was constantly singing the river is wide while her hands were showing deep and vice versa for deep. She is also very pragmatic, so in the childrens tune "Monkeys Jumping On The Bed" the song ends after the first monkey falls off the bed and hurts his head. She figured the other monkeys, hearing the doctor say "no more monkeys jumping on the bed, would heed the sage advice of the doctor and learn from the mistake of the first monkey.

P.S.- Don Firth - We have a female TV reporter by the name of Blue Rolfes - this has always sounded to me like a wonderful name for a venereal disease.


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Subject: RE: What are the worst lyric screwups you've
From: GUEST,alinact
Date: 25 Jun 03 - 12:21 PM

Listen closely to Eric Burdon singing Sky Pilot. Instead of the line "but he'll stay behind, and he'll meditate", I swear he sings "but he stay'll behind...". Also, there is a line in The Spanish Ladies that goes "first she spied me, then she fled me..." In the Dubliners 15 Years On version, I'm sure they sing "first she shit me..."

Going back to jimmyt's first post, when he talks about "you and me and Lesley", I think he is referring to the Young Rascals song Groovin'. I'm pretty sure cos I used to think it was the same thing!

Allan


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Subject: RE: What are the worst lyric screwups you've
From: GUEST,Dave H.
Date: 25 Jun 03 - 03:20 PM

I just got back from the Doctors office. Hear the BeeGees on the radio singing "Heaven" could have sworn I heard them sing

"Nobody gets too much heaven no more,
Its as wide as a river and harder to climb"

Did a double take wondering how one climbs a river?


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Subject: RE: What are the worst lyric screwups you've
From: Hillheader
Date: 25 Jun 03 - 03:34 PM

I once asked my nephew (5 then) what he had learned at school this week. He told me that God was so big that he had two names. When I asked how he knew that he said "Our Father Howard in heaven, Harold be thy name....". I'm still not sure if he was serious.

Davebhoy


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Subject: RE: What are the worst lyric screwups you've
From: Irish sergeant
Date: 25 Jun 03 - 03:53 PM

Unintentionally, I was singing along to a Burger King commercial (No, I'm not going to tell you how long ago either If you know the commercial you'll figure it out) The BK lyric is "It takes two hands to handle a whopper" my version came out "It takes two hands to handle my whopper" My girlfriend at the time who is now my wife was not terribly amused.
   Intentionally; I was at a re-enactment four years ago and a pal of mine was singing "Johnny Angel" When he came to the part that said.."Other fellows ask me out for a date, but I just sit and wait, I'd rather comptemplate on Johnny Angel" I substituted the word masturbate for comptemplate. never on stage though. Kindest regards, Neil


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Subject: RE: What are the worst lyric screwups you've
From: DMcG
Date: 26 Jun 03 - 04:36 AM

I have to concentrate singing "The Postman" ("What a wonderful lad the postman is/As he hastens from door to door") whenever I came to the line about the letter that "he drops through a hole in the door" because I first heard it as a comment about the postman "He drops through a hole in the floor." I don't always succeed, and the song collapses in a heap within the next few notes.


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Subject: RE: What are the worst lyric screwups you've
From: syren
Date: 28 Jun 03 - 07:34 AM

Well, I have to jump in here.....one of the worst screwups onstage, by me, was back when I was in my first band, The Howling Gael. We used to open....every gig....with Steeleye Span's "Misty, Moisty Morning".....I could sing that song drunk or sober and in my sleep! But then I used to have nightmares about blowing the line ..."I'll plow and mow and reap and sow and she will sit and spin...". Never did, tho.....till we did a school gig and there I was in front of the entire 7th grade of the Mt. Tabor Middle School....and out of my mouth came the words..."and she will shit and spin..."! And yes, every single kid in that audience caught it!
My wonderful band partner in Broadside, Andrea Aldridge, wrote a great spoof (of the Shanty The Alabama), "When the Alabama's Crew Got Laid", which is, of course, the first line. So there we are, a bunch of us,(not Andrea)doing a big festival on the waterfront in Portland and one of the women tells the story of The Alabama, prior to singing the song...and sure enough, the first line out of her mouth is...you guessed! Stopped the two policemen passing in front of the stage dead in their tracks!
Hey, I like this thread!


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Subject: RE: What are the worst lyric screwups you've
From: Genie
Date: 27 Aug 03 - 09:25 PM

I was recently doing room-to-room music in a convalescent hospital and a woman requested "What A Friend (We Have In Jesus)." I've known the song since I was the proverbial knee-high to a grasshopper, but much to my surprise, the second line ("All our sins and griefs to bear") came out
"All our skins and briefs to bare."

It was all I could do not to crack up as I tried to finish the song!


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Subject: RE: What are the worst lyric screwups you've
From: Genie
Date: 24 Dec 03 - 02:32 AM

Being inclined to process information auditorily, I have found myself increasingly (as senility sets in) making verbal mistakes that reflect that propensity. E.g., I recently referred, in a conversation with my brother, to the "gunfight at the OK canal."
I did not notice the mistake, but my bro quickly picked up on it, to his great amusement.

Then recently when singing "The Battle Hymn Of The Republic," I caught MYSELF singing "...He is trampling out the village where the grapes of wrath are stored..." .   Except that I didn't get to finish the line. On "village," I cracked up and couldn't sing for a line or two!


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Subject: RE: What are the worst lyric screwups you've
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Dec 03 - 09:48 AM

My husband was 30 before he realized the song "Love lift us up where we belong" was not actually "The LIP goes up where it belongs." When questioned on it, he admitted he'd always been perplexed by that lyric.
Also- he thought the song "Raspberry Beret" by The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (or whatever he calls himself these days) was "Raspberry Parade".

Beccy


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Subject: RE: What are the worst lyric screwups you've
From: Genie
Date: 02 Jul 05 - 01:18 PM

About a week ago I was doing a gig at a senior center in Lynnwood, WA, and I started to sing the song "Cuando Calienta El Sol (Aqui En La Playa)."   I was a little spacey that day (lack of sleep or something) and, anwway, when I got to to this part --
"Es tu palpitar,
Es tu cara,
Son tus besos,
Me estremezco, oh,oh,oh ... "*

I got my twongue tisted and instead of "me estremezco" (sung as "m'estremezco"), I sang "escremento."

I stifled a laugh at my mistake and said to the audience, between lines, "I hope none of you speak Spanish!" Whereupon a gentleman in the front row grinned, raised his hand, and said "I do!"

Now, mind you, I wasn't positive "escremento" is a real Spanish word.   (Turns out the Spanish version is spelled "excremento," though I'm pretty sure the Italians spell it with the "s.") But there are certain Latin-derived words that are pretty much recognizable in their permutations in all the Romance languages and sometimes even Northern European languages.   Words like "intelligenzia," "nature," and, um, well, ... you know. ;-)

Anyway, when this man said he understood and then gave a knowing laugh, I turned bright red and cracked up. The harder I tried to quit laughing, the less I was able to do it.   The auditory image of my trying to sing (translation) "It's your face, your skin, your kisses. I tremble," and singing "It's your face, your skin, your kisses. Shit!" instead -- well, that image kept popping into my head and I couldn't even remember the lyrics to the second verse!   I finally gave up, went on to another song (in English), and then did "Bèsame Mucho" later, instead.

I will probably never know how many people in the audience even noticed my initial mistake (and I probably should have just kept singing -- but it was just too funny!).   I think a lot of them, even without speaking Spanish, would have figured out what the word meant had they noticed it.

Anyway, what way to ruin a romantic moment in song!

Genie


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Subject: RE: What are the worst lyric screwups you've
From: Genie
Date: 06 Jul 05 - 03:10 AM

Of course, I may have an unconscious scatalogical bent (twist?) to my mind.
Occasionally, when I'm singing the traditional German Christmas song "O Tannenbaunm," the line
"Du grünst nicht nur zum sommerzeit
(You're green not only in summertime,)
Nein, auch im winter venn es schneit
(No, also in winter when it snows...),"

i slip and sing "scheit," instead of "schneit."

...

Oh, well ...

Genie


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Subject: RE: What are the worst lyric screwups you've
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Jul 05 - 03:23 AM

'What are the worst lyric screwups you've'

Saying, "I do."


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Subject: RE: What are the worst lyric screwups you've
From: Mark Ross
Date: 06 Jul 05 - 11:43 AM

"When the worker's inspiration through the Union's blood shall run."

At the Democratic Socialist Organizing Committee Dinner at the Statler Hilton, with Victor Reuther and Mike Harrington present(they didn't get as upset as some of the union piecards though. I had a drink with Reuther later and got to listen to him tell stories of organizing in Detroit in the '30's).

Mark Ross


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Subject: RE: What are the worst lyric screwups you've
From: Genie
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 06:31 PM

I was recently singing the song "I'm In Love With A Wonderful Guy," from "South Pacific," and the line, "...and you will note there's a lump in my throat" came out as -- um -- well, let's just say the word "lump" came out sounding like I was maybe from Japan. ;)


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Subject: RE: What are the worst lyric screwups you've
From: GUEST,Puck
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 07:04 PM

I like Jon Hislop's 'The Last Fisherman'... a wonderful song written in the true folk tradition... but have trouble with the line which refers to the trawlers at enforced rest in the harbour due to fishing regulations, which says 'they sit on shifting sand'...[beautiful line tho' it is] always confuses me and now it can come out quite unintentionally as 'they shit on sifting sand' Sorry Jon.

P.


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Subject: RE: What are the worst lyric screwups you've
From: Geordie-Peorgie
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 08:47 PM

Aah wez tryin' te get me daughters (The Rock Chicks) te learn "Farewell To Tarwathie"

The last line of the forst vorse is ".....in hopes to find riches a-hunting the whale"

My eldest took months to get oot of the habit of singin' "... in hopes to find Richard Hunter, the whale"

She's gorrit noo and diz a canny job alang wi' some other trad classics


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Subject: RE: What are the worst lyric screwups you've
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 11:57 PM

"Richard Hunter" - cousin of 'Tab' Hunter?

:-)


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Subject: RE: What are the worst lyric screwups you've
From: Genie
Date: 20 Aug 06 - 12:34 AM

Oops, I did it again! Today.

Twice.

I was doing a sing-along at a rehab facility and we were doing the song "My Guy." Both times through the bridge, the line "My opinion is he's the cream of the crop" came out "... he's the queen of the crop."   The second time thru, though, I kind of caught it in time and sort of changed it "cream" in mid-stream.

I don't know if anyone else noticed, but it does kind of paint "my guy" in a bit of a different light.

LOL

Genie


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Subject: RE: What are the worst lyric screwups you've
From: terrier
Date: 21 Aug 06 - 12:57 PM

Heard at a shanty session singing Brave Benbow.
When the singer got to the line "Brave Benbow lost his legs by chainshot",it came out as
Brave Benbow lost his legs...BITING SHARKS...BITING SHAR..AR.ARKS.
Stuck in my memory ever since.


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Subject: RE: What are the worst lyric screwups you've
From: Greg B
Date: 21 Aug 06 - 02:15 PM

Once, when a music minister for a Campus Ministry
center, my #1 announced the next song.

It was to be 'What You Hear In the Dark' (you
must speak in the light).

Only she announced 'What You Do in the Dark.'

In the tittering silence that followed, I inquired
as to whether that was liturgical or country-western.

Just another day at Our Lady of St. Malaprop.


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Subject: RE: What are the worst lyric screwups you've
From: Nick
Date: 22 Aug 06 - 09:53 AM

I did hear someone in a pub once launch into 'Don't Cry for Me Oklahoma'

(I didn't stay to hear them do -
'Argentina, where the wind comes sweepin' down the plain
And the wavin' wheat can sure smell sweet
When the wind comes right behind the rain...')


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Subject: RE: What are the worst lyric screwups you've
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 22 Aug 06 - 09:57 AM

'Don't Cry for Me Oklahoma'

Hilary Clinon's 2008 unsuccessful end of campaign party song?


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Subject: RE: What are the worst lyric screwups you've
From: Genie
Date: 22 Aug 06 - 10:45 AM

Quote=Nick: "I did hear someone in a pub once launch into 'Don't Cry for Me Oklahoma'

(I didn't stay to hear them do -
'Argentina, where the wind comes sweepin' down the plain'"

ROTFLMAO, Nick!


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Subject: RE: What are the worst lyric screwups you've
From: Greg B
Date: 22 Aug 06 - 10:55 AM

>'Don't Cry for Me Oklahoma'

>Hilary Clinon's 2008 unsuccessful end of campaign party song?

I believe that would be 'Arkansas.'


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Subject: RE: What are the worst lyric screwups you've
From: Genie
Date: 22 Aug 06 - 11:04 AM

Yeah, but "Don't cry for me, Arkansas, doesn't SCAN right."

I kind of like the sound of "Don't cry for me, Condoleezza."


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Subject: RE: What are the worst lyric screwups you've
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 22 Aug 06 - 08:08 PM

Don't play me your concertina?

Don T.


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Subject: RE: What are the worst lyric screwups you've
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 22 Aug 06 - 08:28 PM

That's damn near a song challenge, Don...


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Subject: RE: What are the worst lyric screwups you've
From: GUEST,margo
Date: 23 Aug 06 - 01:58 AM

hey,
Syren has a great story about "Farewell to Tarwathie" if she will see this maybe she'll post it.
Margo


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