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Help: identify songbook; Hullah

Nigel Parsons 04 Sep 02 - 07:36 AM
curmudgeon 04 Sep 02 - 09:13 AM
GUEST,Martin Ryan 04 Sep 02 - 09:26 AM
GUEST,Martin Ryan 04 Sep 02 - 09:48 AM
curmudgeon 04 Sep 02 - 10:11 AM
Nigel Parsons 05 Sep 02 - 04:43 AM
Dave Bryant 05 Sep 02 - 06:44 AM
Nigel Parsons 05 Sep 02 - 08:11 AM
GUEST,Cathy Mottershead 18 Jan 14 - 11:57 AM
GUEST,Jack Campin 18 Jan 14 - 12:49 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 18 Jan 14 - 01:01 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 18 Jan 14 - 07:14 PM
GUEST,Cathy 19 Jan 14 - 12:52 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 19 Jan 14 - 03:13 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 19 Jan 14 - 03:19 PM
GUEST,Thanks 22 Jan 14 - 06:12 PM
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Subject: Help: identify song book; Hullah
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 04 Sep 02 - 07:36 AM

I've just rescued a song book from a local jumble sale, and it has no date or title page. The spine identifies it as "Part Music" "Hullah", and those details are repeated on each page bottom.
The book is (first) half sacred,(second) half secular. All arranged for 3 or 4 part singing. Most of the secular part is made up of Glees & Madrigals.

Running list of titles (no index)
National Anthem (God save the Queen)
Lord For thy Tender Mercies sake: Farrant
The Hundredth Psalm
O Lord, The maker of all Things: Music by King Henry VIII
Sanctus: Tallis
Responses to the commandments: Tallis
149th Psalm:
I will give thanks: Palestrina (Words T Oliphant)
The Desciples Hymn on the Night of the Crucifixion: Martin Luther
God is gone up with a merry noise: Dr Croft
Psalm 137 (When as we sat in Babylon)
O Be Joyful: Palestrina (words T Oliphant)
24th psalm:
The Day is Past, Its Works are Done: John Hullah
Thou That From Thy Throne Of Spleandour: Haydn (words Henry F Chorley)
95th psalm: Tallis
Thou Art Beautiful Beyond The Sons Of Men: Giovanni Croce
O Lord! Another Day Is Flown: Michael Haydn
34th Psalm The Lord I Will For Ever Bless: Henry Lawes
Praise The Lord, O Jerusalem! : Jeremiah Clarke
Glori Patri (a canon): Purcell
Holy, Holy, Holy, Lord God Of Hosts: Robert Creyghton
Be Not Thou Far From Me: Palestrina (Words T Oliphant)
Hide Not Thou Thy Face: Richard Farrant
O Jesu, Lord Of Heavenly Grace : Claude Lejeune
Give Ear, O God: Himmel
Praise The Lord, O My Soul! : William Child
Blessed Be Thou. ;Antonio Lotti
Forth From The Dark And Stormy Sky: Rosseau
Almighty God! Who hast me Brought: Thomas Forde
I Will Arise: Robert Creyghton

Page numbering restarts with the secular music!

Rule, Britannia: Dr. Arne (words by Thompson)
All Ye Who Love Music: Balthazar Donato (English words Oliphant)
Hard By A Fountain: Huberto Waelrent (words Oliphant)
Ye Spotted Snakes: R.J.S.Stevens (Words Shakespeare)
Flow, O My Tears: John Bennett
Let Us All Sing, Merrily Sing: Jer. Saville (words Oliphant)
Come, Let Us A Maying Go: L Atterbury
Long May Life And Health: (German Air)
Freemen, Rejoice! : Purcell (Words Barry Cornwall)
Hail. Hallowed Fane: Lord Mornington (the words from "Lines written in Westminster Abbey" )
Crabbed Age And Youth: R.J.S. Stevens (words Shakespeare)
In Going To My Lonely Bed: Richard Edwardes
Ah Me! Where Is My True Love ? : Felice Anerio (words Oliphant)
Nymphs Of The Forest: William Horsley (words Michael Drayton)
O Never Fear, Though Rain Be Falling : (words Henry F Chorley)
May-Day : Neithart (words Henry F Chorley)
Solfeggio: Scarlatti
Lady, See, On Every Side : Luca Marenzio (words Oliphant)
How Sleep The Brave? : Dr. Benjamin Cooke (words by Collins)
Hark, The Village Maids Are Singing : Cherubini (words Oliphant)
All Hail, Britannia! : Antonio Lotti (words adapted Oliphant)
Upon The Poplar Bough: Stephen Paxton
Since First I Saw Your Face: Thomas Ford
How Glad The Smiles That Vernal Morn! : Gluck (words by Williams)
Sing A Song Of Sixpence : G.A. MacFarren

Any identification of the book's date and origin would be appreciated. Bookhandlers impression on flyleaf gives:
"KING
Up Prospect Place
SOUTHTON"

Nigel


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Subject: RE: Help: identify song book; Hullah
From: curmudgeon
Date: 04 Sep 02 - 09:13 AM

A quick look at bookfinder.com revealed a bit about John Hullah. Apparently, he was a music teacher, composer and song book editor of the 19th century. I was most amazed to learn of "The Village Coquettes," a comic opera in two acts, music by Hullah, text by Charles Dickens.

To learn more, go to bookfinder.com and type in John Hullah in the space for "author," hit search and viola! However, I could find no books similar to the one you are enquiring after.

Happy questing -- Tom


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Subject: RE: Help: identify song book; Hullah
From: GUEST,Martin Ryan
Date: 04 Sep 02 - 09:26 AM

I think I have a songbook by that author - but not the one you picked up. Name rings a bell.

Regards


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Subject: RE: Help: identify song book; Hullah
From: GUEST,Martin Ryan
Date: 04 Sep 02 - 09:48 AM

Yes, what I have is "The Song Book" from 1866 or so. Apparently it was an important source for Benjamin Britten's folksong arrangements.

Regards


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Subject: RE: Help: identify song book; Hullah
From: curmudgeon
Date: 04 Sep 02 - 10:11 AM

Booksellers are asking $75 -- $100 for the 1866 edition.


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Subject: RE: Help: identify song book; Hullah
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 05 Sep 02 - 04:43 AM

I've found a possible reference to the book at Here but it references a hymn which doesn't appear in my copy, so I am still trying.
"GOD THE OMNIPOTENT" "My people will dwell in a peaceful habitation, in secure dwellings, and in quiet resting places" (Isa. 32.18). INTRO.: A hymn which calls upon the all powerful God to help us dwell in a peaceful habitation is "God the Omnipotent." The original text was written by an English Quaker writer, Henry Fothergill Chorley (1808-1872). In four stanzas, it first appeared in John Hullah's 1842 "Part Music." A new text in imitation of Chorley's was written by an English minister of the Anglican Church, John Ellerton (1826-1893). Also in four stanzas and produced in 1870 during the Franco-Prussian War, it was first published in Robert Brown-Borthwick's 1871 "Select Hymns for Church and Home."


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Subject: RE: Help: identify song book; Hullah
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 05 Sep 02 - 06:44 AM

"God is gone up with a merry noise" sounds very like Gerald Finzi's "God is gone up with a triumphant shout" - I assume that both come from Psalm 47.


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Subject: RE: Help: identify song book; Hullah
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 05 Sep 02 - 08:11 AM

The two titles are almost interchangeable. Quickly calling them to mind, I can recall the openings of at least half a dozen verions that our local church choir has done for Ascensiontide over the last 40 years (since I joined as a Treble)

Nigel


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Subject: RE: Help: identify songbook; Hullah
From: GUEST,Cathy Mottershead
Date: 18 Jan 14 - 11:57 AM

Dear Nigel.

I have just discovered this discussion from over ten years ago and am very interested in one of the pieces in the collection as it plays a part in my dissertation.

Do you by chance still have the song book?

Cathy


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Subject: RE: Help: identify songbook; Hullah
From: GUEST,Jack Campin
Date: 18 Jan 14 - 12:49 PM

Since it's a several-times-reprinted collection by one of the most influential musicians of Victorian England, you shouldn't have much trouble finding it in a big music library.


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Subject: RE: Help: identify songbook; Hullah
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 18 Jan 14 - 01:01 PM

The listing of songs from this book by Hullah includes "Ye (You) Spotted Snakes," Shakespeare, set to music by Stevens, and available on the CD, "A Garland of the Elizabethan," sung by the Clerks of Christ Church.
A group can be heard singing this song on youtube.

Several interesting titles in the list, some available on CDs.


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Subject: RE: Help: identify songbook; Hullah
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 18 Jan 14 - 07:14 PM

Two dates of Hullah (1866, 1884) have been printed as E-Books and are available at about $10.00 each.

Used copies of the 1884 and 1892 printings are listed at Abebooks for under $14.00


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Subject: RE: Help: identify songbook; Hullah
From: GUEST,Cathy
Date: 19 Jan 14 - 12:52 PM

Hello Q.

Thank you very much.

It is scores of the two translated Palestrina pieces I am particularly interested in.


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Subject: RE: Help: identify songbook; Hullah
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 19 Jan 14 - 03:13 PM

Cathy, thanks for the reference to Palestrina. It led me to this book online, with many interesting lyrics.
Several lyrics (no musical scores) are given, including "O Be Joyful," Palestrina, words by Oliphant.

Lyr. Add: O BE JOYFUL
Palestrina (Oliphant)

O be joyful, all ye lands;
Serve the Lord with gladness,
Come before Him with a song:
Let all the people worship Him,
Sing of Him, and praise His Name:
For the Lord our God is great,
He is just and merciful:
O that men would praise Him.

Lyric No. 68, "Concordia, The Glees, madrigals, etc., Sung by the Society." London, 1852, Ewer & Co.


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Subject: RE: Help: identify songbook; Hullah
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 19 Jan 14 - 03:19 PM

Should have read- Several translations of Palestrina's lyrics are given, but not Oliphant's "Be not thou far from me."


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Subject: RE: Help: identify songbook; Hullah
From: GUEST,Thanks
Date: 22 Jan 14 - 06:12 PM

Many thanks for your help.

I am trying to discover the scores in particular, to attempt to do some musical analysis and historical context with them.

I have sourced a copy of the four that Oliphant arranged / translated in the British Library.

However would love to source them (and maintain a copy of them) for less of a price.


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