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Subject: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: GUEST,An Unnamed Mudcatter Date: 05 Sep 02 - 06:39 PM No, this is not a troll--and I know that it is not a music topic, but I've got no one else to talk to about this--I hope you forgive me! We just had a major "reshuffling" at work, supposedly for economic reasons but really because a number of people were visiting sex sites instead of working--My job has been to sort through several of the recently departed's hard drives in search of any work that they might have accidentally done, and, despite what you might think, it is not all that pleasant a way to go through the work day-- I grew up working on a farm, so not much of it was new to me, but I do have some questions about other things. 1)Why are people(well, let's be blunt, men) so fixated on this stuff?--After you've seen a few pages, the stuff is all the same, and it gets boring fast-- 2)Who are all those people in the pictures, and aren't any of them afraid that their mothers will see them? 3)Do the men who do this at work think that bosses and co-workers are too dumb to notice that a)they never get any work done and b)that their computers have 100mb of work related docs and 10gb of "you know what" on them?(not to mention all the porno bookmarks!) 4)How can look former co-workers, bosses, and business associates in the eye, (let alone use them as references) after getting caught doing this(and don't kid yourself, ten minutes after you were gone, everyone knew why!) P.S. Didn't find any folk music stuff at all!
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: smallpiper Date: 05 Sep 02 - 06:55 PM Actually you are wrong on the mainly men thing - a lot more women are using pornography than ever before. Men tend to be stimulated more in a visual way than women who tend to be more tactile. As to why some people do it at work - well they clearly are not being challenged by the work and live fairly boring lives. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: Bill D Date: 05 Sep 02 - 07:16 PM 1) some men are, some men aren't-people ARE different. 2)they are just people--sex is 'almost' universally interesting, and the WWW has made it possible for people to find their particular interest easily ...and... mothers (so far) don't usually LOOK in these places...*grin* 3)yep...they ARE that dumb! 4) *sigh* yep...I don't know why they take such silly chances--unless they really CAN'T afford a computer at home. "After you've seen a few pages, the stuff is all the same, " I must disagree--there are MANY similar, stereotyped sites---but from what I have seen, there is anything you want out there....I used to chat in a place where some people posted links to the most amazing things! *weak grin* (why do **I** know any of this?..20 years ago, I worked in an "adult bookstore' for awhile shortly after moving to this town, and I learned a lot about the industry!...Since then, I have followed the growth with curiosity. Do I look? Sure...sometimes...it is such a BIG part of life and the makeup of the WWW that I want to know! (and I had a teenage son who got online 5 years ago and I wanted to know what he was facing.)...He...and I ..seem to be fine...*smile*..... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: GUEST Date: 05 Sep 02 - 07:23 PM You are the same mudcatter with the drinking problem, right? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: kendall Date: 05 Sep 02 - 07:27 PM Anything that is forbidden is always more appealing. Personally, I'm not much for window shopping. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: Clinton Hammond Date: 05 Sep 02 - 07:35 PM Wa-hoooo! Porno!!! Cool! I'll take 2... with a side of softcore to pack out the corners... Near as I can figure, a good number of the people ghosting porn sites at work are often afraid of being "IDed" surfing from home... (A load of bollox really) TO answer #1, well, maybe for you it gets borning, but for some, it 'flips the switch' every time and to answer #2, well, there are a LOT of people in the adult entertainment industry, and odds are good their mothers already know... #4... well, what's the big deal... look 'em straight in the eye and say "HA HA!!! You got fired/demoted for surfing porn sites at work, you stupid, stupid idiot!" .-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: GUEST,Art Thieme Date: 05 Sep 02 - 08:46 PM Let's make a pornograph record. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: GUEST,Just Amy Date: 05 Sep 02 - 08:52 PM Hum, I seem to be surfing the folk sites/Mudcat here at work. What is wrong with me? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: Bobert Date: 05 Sep 02 - 09:21 PM As far as Iz concerned it comes more down to the issue if cheating one's employer. Now I'm self employed and so if I spend an hour of work time playing with the pacman machine then only my business suffers. Well, in my case, it doesn't. Bit lets say you are an employer whose paying the guy (or gal) good money to do what their 'sposed to do and only gettin' 75% productivity because of personal computer use, then there's a problem. It doesn't matter what floats this person's boat. Heck it could be Mudcat. Or some hot-rodding website. The fact its a porno site is not at issue here. Personally, I've finally arrived at that post adolescent age of 50 something and the only woman I want to see sans the dress is my wife, the P-Vine. And for you porno guys.... she's hot! Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: Little Hawk Date: 05 Sep 02 - 09:59 PM Why are they surfing the porn sites? To try and fill the emptiness inside them. Same reason people watch TV, party, drink, smoke, ride around on jetskis and ruin peaceful lakes, and so on... Why is there this feeling of emptiness inside? Well, that's the great human mystery isn't it? Animals don't suffer from that problem except when they are caged in zoos and robbed of their natural life. This suggests that we are all living in a human cage of our own invention, and it's driving most of us to addictive behaviours. What's the solution? Find out what's causing the "emptiness" inside. Then do something about it. That's actually a bigger task than most people are willing to take on, and most of them don't know how to take it on anyway. So instead they drink, gossip, surf porn sites, fight wars, and engage in other unproductive behaviour which provides some other "emptiness" junkie with a lucrative means of making a living...on a short term basis. Study any and all great religious and philosophical works for useful suggestions for eradicating that feeling of emptiness...and good luck! - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: GUEST,reading between the lines Date: 05 Sep 02 - 10:09 PM some of you are guessing and projecting what you think ought to be the answers. Human sexuality is so damn complicated--and most people act as though their own profile should be the norm. It just doesn't work that way. "Inner emptiness"?????? perhaps for some. For others it may just be delight in the lusty side of life. Scholars differ, so it is said. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: Little Hawk Date: 05 Sep 02 - 10:20 PM Well, it was expressed by Bob Geldoff in that song "Everybody's got a hole to fill..." (no scatological reference intended by that). I do maintain that people run around trying to fill the emptiness they feel. But I've got no problem with people delighting in the lusty side of life as far as that goes... - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: Clinton Hammond Date: 05 Sep 02 - 10:27 PM "delight in the lusty side of life." That come with fries and gravy too? ,-)
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: Willie-O Date: 05 Sep 02 - 10:31 PM Over two years as an internet helpdesk agent, I learned to spot people whose main interest on the net was porn. Usually, almost stereotyped here, older guys who could not type worth a shit, or spell, or do much of anything, or gave any indication that they needed a computer or the Internet for anything in their day to day life. And they're having all kinds of problems with popups and their homepage being reset to some porn site and they can't change it back until you show them how to delete all the cookies. Half of em also had dial-up connections to 1-900 numbers and didn't know it. Those would be the same guys that were doing it at work, given the opportunity. Just a few staples short of a centerfold. W-O |
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: harpgirl Date: 05 Sep 02 - 10:41 PM ...human sexuality is indeed complicated, my dear GUEST. However, the questions posed are mostly about character and intelligence. Anyone who surfs porn sites from a work computer, who works for someone else, is likely to be either not too bright or wearing a "kick me" sign on their butt. Or perhaps they hate their job and don't care if they get fired or not. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: Bill D Date: 05 Sep 02 - 11:50 PM Indeed true, harpgirl!...sort of what I said earlier...*grin*...surfing at work, and not learning how the system works, is grounds for a "kick me" sign and more.... if i could just figure out how to advertise, I could make a million teaching fools how cookies and javascripts work and where evidence is stored on a computer! Ah, well-- perhaps it is best that they do NOT know how, else there would be no work done at all...*grin* It will take years before hooman beans learn to adapt to this wired, digital, techno-crazy world we have gotten ourselves into. Our minds & souls are still in Playboy magazine mode--buy it, take it home in a brown bag, and hide it under the mattress! Atleast that did not tie up endless man-hours on the job! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: DougR Date: 06 Sep 02 - 12:05 AM Bobert: I think must, indeed, be ill. I agree with what you posted in this thread! I feel faint! DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: DougR Date: 06 Sep 02 - 12:07 AM Arghhhhhhhhh! Call 911! DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: Bee-dubya-ell Date: 06 Sep 02 - 01:18 AM Damn! I had to leave the woods and drive down to the Redneck Riviera for our Thursday night pickin' session before I had a chance to post to this thread - so I composed a post in my head on the way home - and then found out Bobert's already said what I planned on saying. Well....sorta....I spell "Iz" "I'ze". Bruce |
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: GUEST Date: 06 Sep 02 - 02:22 AM Working for government contracts with a private employer.
Two workers in my group were ID'ed for porn access, hours and hours were logged onto their accounts
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: Clinton Hammond Date: 06 Sep 02 - 02:49 AM Arrested on what charge? BillD said... "Our minds & souls are still in Playboy magazine mode--buy it, take it home in a brown bag, and hide it under the mattress!" Who's minds and souls??? Maybe yours... But it's a porno world out there Bill... ,-)
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: Liz the Squeak Date: 06 Sep 02 - 03:07 AM Maybe it's done at work because a) they don't have to pay for the internet connection = theft from employer; b) they have a partner at home who is less than understanding (I can relate to this - why are you looking at other naked asses when your partner's should be enough for you, after all, you chose it) = misunderstanding and mistrust; c) their job is so undemanding and tedious that anything to fill the hours before home rather than actually go out and look for another job!! I do beleive that there is a thin line between friendly flirting/ribald humour and sexual images/text for personal gratification/stimulation, but many employers only see the one side, they don't go into the relationships between the people concerned. There are things I've said to my group at work that could be considered as dubious, but an employer listening in without knowing the relationships between us would just see it as vile filth and depravity and sack us all on the spot. It's a very thin line. LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: Beach Date: 06 Sep 02 - 03:28 AM I tend to disagree with Willie-O, because I keep getting porn shit in my email and most definitely ain't because I go surfing 'porn' sites. My bloody 'Blocked Senders' list is full of names because it is a quicker way to lose most of that crap. But......... Most of that rubbish seems to be coming in to me through YAHOO and HOTMAIL! As do most of the other tripe from those purporting to be Nigerian gods and goddesses of (formerly) great wealth in need of a few quid to keep their chances of getting their former wealth back alive. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: Bill D Date: 06 Sep 02 - 09:07 AM well, folks....this just arrived in my morning Spam....see what you think: http://www.Software4Parents.Com/iambigbrother.html 'Parents'..yeah, sure!..if you think employers as well as parents are not being SHOWN exactly how to spy and collect data...think again! And what's to prevent your spouse from buying this software? Or anyone who has 10 minutes access to your computer! George Orwell was a piker! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: Bill D Date: 06 Sep 02 - 09:46 AM about HotMail...2 or 3 years ago, I got a Hotmail account to use when I was traveling...it seemed like a neat idea, and it worked fine...I could access messages from any computer, no matter where I was. Fine.....then Micro$oft bought Hotmail! IMMEDIATELY, without my doing anything new, spam started arriving in my HotMail box! I didn't use it very often, and I checked it one day and found 100 or more sex ads, offers of loans, Nigerian spam,..all the classics! Yahoo has also done a recent trick where they re-set your preferences to the default 'accept' all crap...and made YOU figure out the arcane process to un-do it! Both Microsoft and Yahoo have a lot of services that can be used...but they have experts writing scripts that lure and entrap you into the more....ummm....'profitable' aspects of their empires. There ARE ways to avoid this ...so far...but you must care and learn about it. Being in control of cookies and javascripts (especially the pop-up kind) is crucial! Those things can be useful, but some sort of firewall software that ASKS you what you want to accept is the key. There are new browsers out there that give you more control and that do not have the built in leaks and security risks and scripts that are trying to slowly control your computer and what you do with it.... you do not have to use Internet Explorer for everything, just because it came with the machine!....I have used IE only twice in the last year...and only briefly at that. I use Opera, Mozilla, Beonex, OffByOne, K-Meleon...as well as the old (4.7) Netscape For those who think I am being paranoid and just joining some anti-Microsoft bandwagon mindlessly,....well, wait till the newest MS project arrives! It hopes to put most of the major software you use ON THE WEB, so that they control what you see, how it is displayed, who advertises to you, who tracks your surfing...etc...All this is done in the name of 'effiency' and standardazation to make life 'easier' and less hassle for you! 92.814% (+ or - 2.239%) of those who read this will shrug and ignore it...*grin*.....but you may remember it 3-4 years from now. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: wysiwyg Date: 06 Sep 02 - 09:50 AM It doesn't make sense because it doesn't make sense. Why expect something that basically doesn't make sense can be made sense of? ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: Little Hawk Date: 06 Sep 02 - 10:41 AM There isn't anything that can't be made sense of...given the appropriate insight and/or information. That's what keeps life interesting. - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: GUEST,Lyle Date: 06 Sep 02 - 10:43 AM Art Thieme sez: "Let's make a pornograph record." After I got through laughing, I wondered: Art, would that be a 78 for the younger crowd and a 33 1/3 for the elderly??? Lyle |
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: Little Hawk Date: 06 Sep 02 - 11:03 AM I've seen a few old pornographic LP's in Johhny Death's bottomless record collection. They are laughable to peruse, with incredible tacky cover art and rude song titles. Haven't actually listened to any of 'em, though, so I can't report on the quality level of the performances. One of them features an artist supposedly named "Chinga Chavez". Anyone who is well versed in Spanish will realize right away that this is an extremely unlikely name... - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: The Walrus Date: 06 Sep 02 - 06:29 PM How's this for a twist on the porno spam specials, this evening sorting through the inbox I came across a porno add purporting to come from *myself*, I suppose it's one way of ensuring I won't be reporting the named sender. Walrus |
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: katlaughing Date: 06 Sep 02 - 07:31 PM BillD, thanks for the info...boggles the mind that anyone thinks they may be safe from such spying by anyone else. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: greg stephens Date: 06 Sep 02 - 07:50 PM Bill D: get a grip on yourself,stop looking at that stuff and get your mind back on the autoharp and wood-turning. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: Bill D Date: 06 Sep 02 - 08:28 PM "get a grip on yourself"....ummmmm...won't I go blind? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: Peter K (Fionn) Date: 06 Sep 02 - 08:33 PM People from Europe and the States are travelling in their tens of thousands to countries like Cambodia in order to make it with seven-year-olds. Most of the stuff that has perplexed our unknown mudcatter will have been utterly harmless to all parties. If the argument is about misuse of the boss's time and electricity, I could live with that. But I can manage without all the judgmental crap. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: DougR Date: 07 Sep 02 - 01:13 AM Bill D., I don't think so, but I've been told that you may have hair grow in your hand! :>) Fionn: Come on! Tens of thousands? Got to show some proor here, unless you are kidding. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: GUEST,An Unnamed Mudcatter Date: 07 Sep 02 - 02:00 AM Fionn and others may wonder where the harm in this is--I have been vague on details to keep from outing my workplace, but, as GUEST mentioned, where this stuff occurs, the gov't can get involved--If people who don't like the stuff see it in their workplace, the employer can be found liable for sexual harassment, to the tune of big bucks--and if this happens, the company's gov't contracts can be withdrawn, and, if it is a non-profit or educational institution, gov't funding can be taken away- my opinion is, anyone who risks bringing that down on an employer for the sake of their own amusement deserves to be judged-- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: GUEST,the fly on the wall Date: 07 Sep 02 - 02:01 AM Proor? Proor as in proorient? Well, according to a friend whose spent a fair bit of time in Thailand, "tens of thousands" might be an understatement of sorts. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: GUEST,Arjay Date: 07 Sep 02 - 03:50 AM "After you've seen a few pages, the stuff is all the same, and it gets boring fast" "Who are all those people in the pictures, and aren't any of them afraid that their mothers will see them? " "Do the men who do this at work think that bosses and co-workers are too dumb to notice that a)they never get any work done and b)that their computers have 100mb of work related docs and 10gb of "you know what" on them?(not to mention all the porno bookmarks!" Excellent questions! But "Why do it at work?" Simple: they can't trace you to your home computer and send you all sorts of crappy SPAM. They'll send it to your boss's computers instead! BTW, how do you know the mother isn't the agent? Genie PS, Interesting comments, fo'ks. Bill D., Thanks for the heads up! I pretty much use either Netscape or (occasionally) AOL's own browser. Too much risk with Explorer. Art T. and Lyle, I wanted to get into pornography, but I don't have a pornograph yet. greg, "wood turning?" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: Liz the Squeak Date: 07 Sep 02 - 04:34 AM Hey, we got a brand spanking new Gateway computer, one of these plug and go jobbies, we plugged it in, we went, and immediately our virgin inbox was full of Russian porn. It took us weeks to get off the address list - and remember this appeared the day we set up, before we had even got our address published. Someone out there has software that can chuck all sorts of crap into a newly opened Gateway account. Makes me sort of wonder just how many other servers have someone shadowing them for new accounts.... LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: GUEST,Fred Miller Date: 07 Sep 02 - 07:54 AM I once got spammed looking up a song called Naive Melody, which must've also been some girl's porn name, but it took forever to get rid of it--it had all those fake 'close' icons that instead made it my home page. I don't want to sound judgemental, but why does porn suck? I'm tempted to produce porn just to set some standards. Toying with an idea for an ADULT Adult Education series, learn to read, get a G.E.D. with a series of educational porn videos. Starting with the vowel sounds. Trying to get the Muppets involved, but so far, no response. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: kendall Date: 07 Sep 02 - 09:12 AM Sex is very complex, and, we are all different. My ex wife was built like a brick shipyard, yet, she always undressed behind a door.That;s tough on an art lover like me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: DougR Date: 07 Sep 02 - 12:32 PM Nope, Guest, proof as in typo. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: GUEST,the fly on the wall Date: 07 Sep 02 - 01:57 PM Yes, the quality of most internet porn is seriously bad. Why are so many of these female models staring at the camera with some dumb expression like a performing seal fer chrissake? Talk about unappealing! I suspect they have gone through the routine so many times they could do it while reading the TV guide and not miss a beat. Truly pathetic, and definitely not very erotic. Of course, it must be hard to relax and act natural with some bozo aiming a camera at you while you perform quasi-intimate acts with a virtual stranger. Then there are the ones who try to look fierce and illicit...the "jungle cat" routine, is it? Gaaaaag me with a spoon! The occasional one actually looks like she is enjoying herself, which always comes as a bit of a relief...to me at least. I keep expecting to see someone I know, but never have yet. There are a hell of a lot of people in this world who will do anything for money. Bzzzzz.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: Bill D Date: 07 Sep 02 - 07:57 PM Arjay...."greg, "wood turning?""...
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: Peter K (Fionn) Date: 07 Sep 02 - 08:17 PM Thailand has tried to clean its act up a bit. Hitherto child sex was a major element of its tourist trade. Other far eastern countries are now stepping into the breach, notably Cambodia. Doug, if I find any figures, I'll let you have them. In the meantime let me assure you it is seriously big business. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: Socorro Date: 07 Sep 02 - 08:40 PM I think this is an excellent & timely question! I think the answer has something to do with the lack of maturity of many men in our culture, and the resulting need for ersatz intimacy without any threat to the individual's 1.ego (eg a woman's evaluation of them), 2. ability to control his dominion (most women will resist being controlled nowadays) 3.Pocketbook (the boss is paying) 4.self-image (maybe the women he is able to attract IRL, don't measure up to his – unrealistic, which goes along with immaturity - standards of attractiveness) Also, it is VERY addictive and progressive in many cases (women are NOT immune). I think we have an almost ubiquitously addicted society – all because of a dearth of people playing music with friends!! – not really said in jest. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: Socorro Date: 07 Sep 02 - 08:54 PM fionn said: "People from Europe and the States are travelling in their tens of thousands to countries like Cambodia in order to make it with seven-year-olds. Most of the stuff that has perplexed our unknown mudcatter will have been utterly harmless to all parties" Fionn, if you believe that, I have a pair of beautiful skyscrapers I'd like to sell you - cheap! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: Little Hawk Date: 07 Sep 02 - 09:40 PM Socorro - "an almost ubiquitously addicted society" you say. Right on. That is it. Virtually everyone is addicted, not just to one thing or form of behaviour but to several. You know it's an addiction when it passes all reasonable bounds in terms of using up your time, energy, money or whatever...and when it has little or no healthy and useful effect on a person. A loveless society produces a lot of people who search for substitutes for real contact. And your 4 numbered reasons for men perusing pornography are very accurate too. On the other hand, I can see how there can be a proper place in society for genuinely erotic art or that type of thing. Most pornography falls a wee bit short in that respect, as indicated by Mr "fly on the wall". It's very trashy and tawdry. I wonder what effect it is having on the young people who can easily access it on the Net? I wonder what effect it would have had on me when I was fourteen? I imagine I would not have been able to resist looking at it if I'd had the chance at the time. As it was, I had to search out the odd racy passage in this or that book around the house or library. There was never a copy of Playboy around our place or anything like that. There's a case to be made for the proposition that most people (males and females) do not reach full maturity when they become adults in western society. The people I met in Cuba struck me as far more mature in their general outlook than North Americans. Why? There's more real life, and a whole lot less marketing of unreal stuff going on down there. Now, consider womens' magazines. Look at the covers when you're at the grocery checkout. There will inevitably be one, two or three big bold article headings relating to sex: "What he most wants you to do in bed" "13 incredible turnons to drive your man wild" "The sexy move that'll keep him coming back for more" etc, etc, etc... Are the women nowadays really more mature than the men? Well, maybe a little more... :-) But it's quite a competition out there in the immaturity sweepstakes if ya ask me! - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: Sorcha Date: 07 Sep 02 - 10:19 PM Because they can............and for the same reason I keep finding things like "XXXTEENS" on my bookmarks. I know damn well I don't go there.....who does that leave? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: GUEST,Fred Miller Date: 07 Sep 02 - 10:32 PM My previous post wondered why porn sucks. Erotic art usually sucks too. Nothing is a surer sign of a terrible movie than the words "An erotic masterpiece." Lame porn with absurd pretentions. But at work? hm. Many people distrust their employers, and rightly so. But the mistake is to express that distrust and resentment by putting more effort into avoiding doing your job than it takes to do your job. How you do your job isn't about your employers. They aren't one's parents. Any office beaurocracies I've ever had to deal with seem to go like this--I call, I call, get passed around, put off, get lame non-sensical double-talk, it becomes all out of proportion to my purpose but I'm going on principle, I announce that I will call every damn chance I get every damn day and I will, then one day I happen to get connected to the One Person who will take five minutes to do what needs to be done. From then on, whenever I have any dealings, I call and ask for that person. Then comes a bad day--when I call, and that person is no longer with us. They just couldn't do it anymore, you can't blame them. Good for them. I think I've probably worked with guys who surfed porn sites at work, and I imagine they were only dimly interested in looking at the porn, but liked the idea of doing it, on the clock, liked the idea that it would show up that they'd done it, because they knew all along there was no future in the stupid job, had not been fooled by that bogus pretense, and it's their way of leaving that message: I wasn't even trying. I get by on this message: I'm not doing this for you. I'd do it anyway, if you were bought out by your worst enemy I'd do it the same. It's more fun, paradoxically less tiring to work hard, and, anyway, porn sucks.
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: Little Hawk Date: 08 Sep 02 - 12:57 PM Interesting post, Fred. Most of the people in this society are in fact enslaved...and deep down they know it. Our pretensions of "freedom" are laughable...but not so funny. No wonder a lot of people look at porn while on the job. Is there a free human being out there somewhere? I want to meet that person! - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: DougR Date: 08 Sep 02 - 05:40 PM Me, L.H., Me. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: toadfrog Date: 08 Sep 02 - 06:08 PM Gee, Little Hawk, 1. I like porn, or some of it. What, exactly, is wrong with that? All I have seen in this thread is the usual stuff about how anyone different from the writer must be sick, "imature," or whatever. That kind of thinking is not part of the solution, it's part of the problem. 2. The stuff on the web is such garbage I would walk miles to get away from it. And the way those sights are designed to trap people is really scary. That's how the Free Market often works. 3. There is a convention in many circles that says, if you can get away with goofing off on the job it indicates cleverness. You see that especially in the Army, where people used to spend more energy and ingenuity avoiding work than it would have taken to do it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: Bill D Date: 08 Sep 02 - 07:44 PM " The stuff on the web is such garbage " ...pretty broad statement.
The web is HUGE...as in BILLIONS of pages. Anything is available, from the garbage you mention,
"De Gustibus non disputandum est" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: toadfrog Date: 08 Sep 02 - 07:58 PM Sure, Bill D. If you say so, you probably know more than I do. I probably don't have sufficient patience to find the better stuff. But my main point was, all the stuff about "immaturity" and so forth gets annoying. "Immature" is what a parent calls his kid when the kid is about to get grounded. It is a special term used to exercise control over kids. I guess a kid who looks at porn can get grounded. But if you want to persuade someone over (say) 35, it is better to have a real reason. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: Bill D Date: 08 Sep 02 - 09:02 PM yep...agreed... Maturity is a different issue than having taste |
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: GUEST,Fred Miller Date: 09 Sep 02 - 10:00 AM I hope I didn't seem to say that any interest in porn was immature, I just think I could make better porn than any I've seen. I got my first lead on a commision to paint a nude portrait last week, and hope it works out. Little Hawk, I think it's a relative thing, the freedom biz. Most people think if they had more money they'd be free, but the porn-surfing guys I referred to worked with me in a business serving insecure wealthy people who needed professional help to know what to like. That is, they wanted rules, wanted to do what they were supposed to do. So I disagree that the freedom question isn't funny, I think it's very funny. What we did, what I did, to effect a semblance of freedom while showing up and working at this absurd job, was to frame it as research for a different purpose--we were developing The Movie about it, and deciding who should play each of us, tossing around script ideas, stylistic devices, set pieces. Making a story of your experiences, trying to make sense of the crazy world is a free and natural thing to do, and almost any silly job can feed it. I worked with a lot of young guys who knew porn better than I did, I'm sure they surfed it there sometime or another, wouldn't have been embarrassed about it turning up. It would embarrass the employer's more. When my daughter started kindergarden it was hard for a while, it was a long day for her. I told her to look at it this way, she played "School" sometimes, for fun, so, try to keep that feeling of a game about it. I think she got the hang of it, she loves school, most of the time. My dad had an excellent essay about how work and play are so unhealthily divided, weekdays and weekends, but the essays havent been collected yet. It's odd how sometimes people will do things for fun that you could never pay them to do as a job. There's a lot of freedom in simply being able to look at it differently, being able to enjoy what you're not "supposed" to-- get paid for what other people will pay to do--like physical exercise, or strategy games. That's what I do, at least. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: Little Hawk Date: 09 Sep 02 - 01:39 PM toadfrog - Well, if you like it, fine with me. Almost everyone appears immature in certain respects from almost anyone else's particular vantage point, but it's all just a matter of opinion, isn't it? BTW, I am keenly aware of my own immaturity...in a number of respects...I don't have room here to list them all. Nor the inclination to. :-) Then too, anytime you or I make a strong statement about anything it's likely to sound judgemental (and wrong) to someone. The only way to escape accusations of being judgemental is to express no opinions at all. Perhaps this is one reason why some sages have taken a vow of silence. ("Even a fool is thought wise if he remains silent") Or maybe they really truly reached the point where they had genuinely stopped judging others... That would be a pretty radical state of mind in this world. I wonder how one would pursue a career in politics, given that attitude? Fred - Well, actually freedom is an inner condition. I regret to say that I am nowhere near it at this point. I have not been free since I was...oh...maybe 6 years old or thereabouts. As one of the enslaved, I rail now and then about slavery, like a hamster chewing on the bars of its cage. DougR - Yeah, right! :-) Well, maybe we will meet at some point. You're out West somewhere, aren't you? - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: Dave Bryant Date: 10 Sep 02 - 06:57 AM Perhaps we all have to ask ourselves - Why is surfing Porno sites at work any worse than spending the time on the Mudcat ? I'm at work at the moment and so are many other 'Catters from what I can see of their posting times. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: Albatross Date: 10 Sep 02 - 07:27 AM A very senior manager was fired recently after an investigation inspired by a disaffected ex worker (revenge?) and it was found that he had been using his isdn line 70% for another company. A conflict of interest was seen and he was fired. I don't think all computer users realise how much big brother can view what they are doing. I wouldn't be surprised if everyone doesn't have some skeleton's in the cupboard, even the 'holier than thou' brigade. Does the 'guest unamed mudcatter' who started this thread ever have any fantasies that they would rather be kept secret? How about investigating the big brother? But I do agree with you it is childish. Maybe there's a Peter Pan in all of us. I am absolutely obsessed with getting emails at the moment. Sometimes I seem to check every 5 minutes to see if anyone has sent me anything. That must be some form of madness. It was great to go on holiday in Ireland play music and not log on for two weeks. By the way Peter Pan's JM Barrie came from KirrieMuir where there was a good festival last weekend. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: Little Hawk Date: 10 Sep 02 - 05:37 PM Damn right, Albatross! I opened my closet the other day, and so many skeletons fell out that it took my some time to extricate myself and call the dog, in hopes he would drag some of the bones away. As for my cupboard, I don't even consider opening it at this point. People who Mudcat while at work should be put in the stocks and subjected to ridicule by contemptuous mobs of passersby and street urchins. - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: GUEST,Unnamed Mudcatter Date: 10 Sep 02 - 05:56 PM Albatross, my fantasies have changed a bit after having to review thousands of downloaded photos--in a large part because I've seen how silly people look while they're doing the things I've fancied-- Don't misunderstand me, I am not the one who does the firing, I am just a wage slave who has had to clean up some very dirty computers-- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: GUEST,Just Amy Date: 10 Sep 02 - 07:46 PM Scream - yell - loud carrying on!!!!! I was just on Goggle looking for clipart for a newsletter. I typed in "free clipart"+music. I then mistakenly clicked on "I'm feeling lucky" All of a sudden I have multiple porno pop ups. The minute I click one off, another one comes up. I had to turn off my computer to get it to stop. What is up with this? I'll never use Goggle again! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: GUEST,Fred Miller Date: 11 Sep 02 - 09:56 AM Just Amy, I had the same thing happen once looking up a song lyric. It's hard to get rid of. Some make themselves your homepage and you have to go in and re-set it. Also be careful about e-mails with friendly but vague greetings, and never blue-click any til you know who it is.. Before you hit a close button, watch the labeling script, it's often a "more ads" button disguised as a close button. Then, go through off-line cookies, off-line content. It's a pain. I need my closet space, so my skeletons are sitting around out in the open, propped up in chairs as if playing cards, etc. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: GUEST,Fred Miller Date: 11 Sep 02 - 09:56 AM Just Amy, I had the same thing happen once looking up a song lyric. It's hard to get rid of. Some make themselves your homepage and you have to go in and re-set it. Also be careful about e-mails with friendly but vague greetings, and never blue-click any til you know who it is.. Before you hit a close button, watch the labeling script, it's often a "more ads" button disguised as a close button. Then, go through off-line cookies, off-line content. It's a pain. I need my closet space, so my skeletons are sitting around out in the open, propped up in chairs as if playing cards, etc. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: GUEST,Fred Miller Date: 11 Sep 02 - 09:59 AM Just Amy, I had the same thing happen once looking up a song lyric. It's hard to get rid of. Some make themselves your homepage and you have to go in and re-set it. Also be careful about e-mails with friendly but vague greetings, and never blue-click any til you know who it is.. Before you hit a close button, watch the labeling script, it's often a "more ads" button disguised as a close button. Then, go through off-line cookies, off-line content. It's a pain. I need my closet space, so my skeletons are sitting around out in the open, propped up in chairs as if playing cards, etc. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: DougR Date: 11 Sep 02 - 05:00 PM Ok Fred, we believe you. :>) DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: GUEST,Just Amy Date: 11 Sep 02 - 06:09 PM Thanks, Fred. I just Ctrl-Alt-Delete squared and got rid of it all before anything bad could happen. I am at a very large corporation and we usually have the best firewalls. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: Peter K (Fionn) Date: 11 Sep 02 - 07:04 PM Soccoro, to me they were just skyscrapers. Any beauty they had was lost on me. Maybe that's why I'm failing to see a connection with internet porn? Spot on post, toadfrog. And Bill D, that could have been me speaking! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: GUEST,Fred Miller Date: 12 Sep 02 - 10:55 AM Well, I didn't mean to be so emphatic, and redundant, but when I hit Submit I got a non-response msg. And I didn't mean to be so emphatic, and redundant, but when I hit submit I got a non-response msg. Also, I didn't mean to be so emphatic, and redundant. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: Socorro Date: 15 Sep 02 - 12:11 AM Well, just to clarify (I hope) you know how "it takes one to know one"? That's why i think i know a bit about immaturity! And, yes i speak from experience. When i was about 13, some people i was baby-sitting for had a lot of porn (not out in the open - I must have been nosing around) and i was absolutely fascinated, and probably would have gotten hooked, if i hadn't been so afraid my sister would out me - she was their regular babysitter, and she found my stash over there, called me and said, "Socorro, where did you find this TRASH!!" in her best imitation of a shocked parent. I must say, however, that when i to some degree, "got a life", i personally just had no need for it. I have looked for quality erotica, and gave up. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: Socorro Date: 15 Sep 02 - 12:21 AM Fionn, I think i misread your post; no wonder you don't understand my reply. When i saw your reference to "sex with children" followed closely by something like "that doesn't hurt anyone", I responded to something which, on re-reading, you clearly didn't mean at all. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Surfing sex sites at work? WHY??????? From: Sooz Date: 15 Sep 02 - 03:59 PM I couldn't even access this thread at work - it was "net nannied"! |