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folkie proverbs

GUEST,adavis@truman.edu 13 Sep 02 - 05:21 PM
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Subject: folkie poverbs
From: GUEST,adavis@truman.edu
Date: 13 Sep 02 - 05:21 PM

A carpenter friend is always dropping his trade's rules of thumb into conversation: "Measure twice, cut once"; "take care of your tools and they'll take care of you"; "buy another man's tools, you buy another man's troubles." Do folkies have this kind of occupational lore? I'd like to collect some for one of the sub-pages at the Missouri Folklore Society's website. Anybody who wants to play, it'd be good to have the proverb, any necessary explanation, and the year and place you first heard it. Any interest?

Adam


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie poverbs
From: Amos
Date: 13 Sep 02 - 05:26 PM

What an interesting question! If I know any, they're buried.

But I'll see if I can think of any!

A


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie poverbs
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 13 Sep 02 - 05:36 PM

Sometimes you play the gig... Sometimes the gig plays you...

If it's out of tune, it's too far out of tune...


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie poverbs
From: Eric the Viking
Date: 13 Sep 02 - 06:04 PM

One melodeon ok, two melodeons bad, half a melodeon better!

Only joking, but it might catch on!(I've nothing against them personally, but they seem to be the but of the gentle insults-maybe it should be bodhrans or banjos or guitars!)


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie poverbs
From: Wesley S
Date: 13 Sep 02 - 06:09 PM

We tune because we care ?


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie poverbs
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 13 Sep 02 - 06:10 PM

No you don't Wes... you tune because it's the LAW!

:-)


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie poverbs
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 13 Sep 02 - 06:25 PM

Tuning is for wimps.

Good enough for folk.


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 13 Sep 02 - 06:32 PM

You'd know all about being a wimp eh MgoH...


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Sep 02 - 07:03 PM

No Dylan song can be overanalyzed...

(and by the way, they don't have anything to do with drugs, I'm sad to tell you...in 99% of cases)

- LH


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Sep 02 - 07:08 PM

What's the difference between a dead skunk in the middle of the road and a dead folksinger in the middle of the road?

The skunk was on his way to a paying gig.

Does that count?

There have been a few legendary exceptions to the above general rule...Baez, Dylan, PPM, etc...most of whom were accused of "selling out" by various envious people at various times, who wished they could've done it too. Most, but not all of these exceptions were managed or at least courted by Albert Grossman, the king of paying gig arrangement.

- LH


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 13 Sep 02 - 07:09 PM

Have you got no homes to go to!

Show me the way to go home - I'm tired and I want to go to bed.


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: GUEST,Fred Miller
Date: 13 Sep 02 - 07:19 PM

Very very old, but true--a lutenist spends 70% of the time tuning, the rest of the time playing out of tune.

I'll try to invent a couple just to keep the ball in the air while the real folk think it over.

To each his own, or it's equivalent.

It's better to have tuned and mis-tuned, than never to have tuned at all.

A banjo in the hand is worth two in the van.

If the mountain music won't come to Mohamed, Mohamed must go to the mountain music.


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: Amos
Date: 13 Sep 02 - 07:26 PM

"Close enough for folk music" is the one every folkie has heard.

"Ain't no horse sang it", attributed to Bill Broonzy on the Topic that Shall Not Be Named ('what is folk music, anyway?) is widely known, also. Folkies are very fond of the ancient expression, "Alas my love you do me wrong...:". This goes hand in hand with the old saw "What do you call a folkie who has broken up with his girlfriend?"..."Homeless".

I suppose you could start some new ones -- "A string in time saves one", for example. "Fools use chords that wise men never play". "The devil finds keys for idle capos". "Better to be hung for a banjo player than hung for a bodhran player".

But no-one has head these before!

A


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 13 Sep 02 - 07:35 PM

"Hell, I've still got four strings..."

"I think it's time we tuned up."

"I may be too drunk to tune, but I can still play."

(They really ought to be applicable in other contexts, using the folk music experience as a metaphor fro life generally.)


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: Morticia
Date: 13 Sep 02 - 08:22 PM

My daughter insists that the folkie rule is; " and they all died"


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: GUEST,Sister7
Date: 13 Sep 02 - 08:22 PM

--I've quoted Dylan's words as proverbial. Dylans tunes were what he saw as he walked through dylan's life. There were pumps, and the vandals had taken the handles. The pumps were for the people. Free water. The water companys arranged for the handles to be taken. Who cares if the city workers were ordered to do it? Did anyone ask you, the end user? Having to pay for water when your pipes don't work and you can't afford repair is a bitch. Dylan was angry. --So you guys stick with it. You are needed by this generation, and the next, and ... if you quit, who will sing to their muses? Huh?


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: Leadfingers
Date: 13 Sep 02 - 08:22 PM

I always it was 'Its close enough for Folk and Government work'.


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 13 Sep 02 - 08:26 PM

"In the people's key of G"


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: Leadfingers
Date: 13 Sep 02 - 09:51 PM

After Always insert THOUGHT.


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: GUEST,adavis@truman.edu
Date: 14 Sep 02 - 12:05 AM

Inserting thought is usually a good thing. But keep 'em coming -- are there particular situations you have sayings for -- somebody fails to turn up, or turns up when they might as well not have, etc.?

Adam


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: Bert
Date: 14 Sep 02 - 12:16 AM

It was in tune when I bought it!


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: GUEST,Fred Miller
Date: 14 Sep 02 - 09:06 AM

Well, it's not a proverb, but at my parent's folkie gatherings someone used to do a little blessing giving thanks for the friends here with us today, and for some others who thankfully are not with us here today.

Folkies should have a patron saint of lost verses.


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 14 Sep 02 - 03:37 PM

Seattle, 1946: "Blessed are those who count, for they shall keep time."


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 Sep 02 - 04:01 PM

Of course there's always what Thoreau wrote, which seesm remarkably apposite to folkies, literally and metaphorically: If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer.


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 14 Sep 02 - 04:07 PM

"There are no bad notes, just bad choices." Or something like that -- said by Rick Watson.

Linn


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 Sep 02 - 04:38 PM

There's is never a right version of a song, just a variant you might like better.


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Sep 02 - 04:46 PM

Thank you, Sister7. Your comments are accurate and thoroughly appreciated, at least by me. The vandals have indeed taken the handles. We pay for it every day. In Cuba I saw people who had enough smarts,and initiative to make their own handles, instead of going to the mall and buying themselves a pacifier or two to kill the pain of being rendered helpless, meaningless, and ridiculous.

- LH


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 14 Sep 02 - 04:56 PM

To pick is human; to tune, divine

Real folksingers have day jobs.


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 Sep 02 - 05:37 PM

If you play it fast enough they won't notice the mistakes.


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 14 Sep 02 - 06:26 PM

They will always play the tunes you know when you don't have your instrument with you.

If you do have it with you, they will always play the tunes you know, whilst you are at the bar or in the toilet.

Otherwise known as St Cecilia's law and amendments.

LTS


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: Gareth
Date: 14 Sep 02 - 06:46 PM

In "Sir Patrick Spens I clean forgot the 42nd verse
So I sang the 22nd, twice as loud and in reverse
And no one noticed it......

Gareth


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 Sep 02 - 06:48 PM

I took my harp to a party, and nobody asked me to play.


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 Sep 02 - 07:04 PM

I said I wanted to sing unaccompanied, so they all left the room.


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: Mudlark
Date: 14 Sep 02 - 07:35 PM

It sounded better in the store...

The opening thread reminded me of a favorite carpenter's haiku...I know the construction (little carpenter joke) isn't quite right but it went something like

I cut
I cut again
Leg still too short


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: Barbara
Date: 14 Sep 02 - 07:55 PM

It sounded better when I was rehearsing it.
Okay, that's three excuses-- now you have to sing/play it.
or, You've used up your excuses, now play.
Autoharps stay in tune unless 1. the temperature changes more than two degrees or 2. until you start to play.
One wrong note is a mistake, two is jazz.
Blessings,
Barbara


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 Sep 02 - 08:14 PM

"If you keep on picking that thing it'll never get better!"


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: Micca
Date: 14 Sep 02 - 08:53 PM

Kevin the "folkie2 varient I heard was." Some march to the beat of a different drum, some Polka"!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: Gurney
Date: 15 Sep 02 - 05:48 AM

To a heckler.... "Spoken like a true professional. - YOUR MOTHER!" dickgreenhaus.. Day jobs, love it! Gareth.. I used to sing 'The Folker' too.


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: GUEST,Paulo
Date: 15 Sep 02 - 06:57 AM

I think this one came from Diz Disley - The trick is to get it in tune, and then weld it.


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: GUEST,iamjohnne
Date: 15 Sep 02 - 09:57 AM

You can pick your friends And you can pick your nose, You just can't pick your friend's nose.


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Sep 02 - 11:31 AM

"I'm a bit out of practice on this one, but we'll see how it goes..."

"Anybody got a capo?"

"And you'll notice that the fingers never leave the hands..."

"It goes somethin' like this..."

- LH


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 15 Sep 02 - 11:38 AM

"What have we just been playing?"

"What key were you playing in?"

"I thought I knew that one."


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: Sorcha
Date: 15 Sep 02 - 11:43 AM

Tune it or DIE!!


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: Sibelius
Date: 15 Sep 02 - 01:32 PM

Collective noun for folkies: a barful.


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: Leadfingers
Date: 15 Sep 02 - 01:44 PM

At Falmouth Folk Festival,1976,it was agreed after some discussion that the best any Folk performance can ever be is Average.an adage I have lived by ever since,especially on the rare occasions I managed an 'Average'myself


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 15 Sep 02 - 01:51 PM

(Superficially plausible but logcally impossible, Leadfingers. Given some of the terrible stuff we all do sometimes, that would mean that the average was well below average...)

"Like looking for a plectrum on a pub floor."


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: Dave Swan
Date: 15 Sep 02 - 02:18 PM

A folkie with beer is a folkie with friends.

Whose auto runs best will never arrive at a session alone.


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: GUEST,Gray D (in a cybercafe)
Date: 15 Sep 02 - 05:50 PM

One of my favourite intro's (God bless Cosmotheka):-

"We've had a request not to do the next number.

But we don't do requests, so here it is."


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: Fortunato
Date: 15 Sep 02 - 06:14 PM

"No matter what you do, never, ever eat the fish sandiwich at Eddie Leonard's Sandwich Shoppe." Washington DC, 1978.


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: GUEST,eoin o'buadhaigh
Date: 15 Sep 02 - 06:19 PM

I'm not drunk but my fingers are. I 'learnt' it by ear - but I think he was drunk when he played it for me. Thats funny, the guy I learned the song from left out the last three verses as well. A bird never flew on one wing! so sing another song.


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 15 Sep 02 - 06:45 PM

From another thread, a pub landlady speaking about a session:

""...I don't pay them, they just turn up and appear to be a little clique of their own really."


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: Leadfingers
Date: 15 Sep 02 - 08:24 PM

Mcgrath,I somehow have the feeling that was the whole point of the discussion at Falmouth.And some of the booked artistes were part of the discussion.


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: Don Firth
Date: 15 Sep 02 - 08:34 PM

"Most folkies play by ear, but I'll use my fingers."

Not specifically folk, but good advice anyway: "Never squat with your spurs on."

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: rich-joy
Date: 16 Sep 02 - 08:36 AM

"Well, it's a harmony somewhere in the world ..." (first heard : Frankie Armstrong voice workshops, c.1985)

Cheers! R-J


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: Les from Hull
Date: 16 Sep 02 - 09:21 AM

Last one with the tune is a wimp.


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 Sep 02 - 12:54 PM

"Those who can't play sing; those who can't sing dance. Those who can't dance play."


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: Wesley S
Date: 16 Sep 02 - 04:35 PM

Electic guitars don't play bad music - people play bad music.


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 Sep 02 - 04:37 PM

Elecric guitars don't make bad music. But they make it louder.


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 16 Sep 02 - 04:51 PM

I like the one that turned up in another thread, about ceilidh musicians.... Bloody musicians, can't dance with 'em, can't dance without 'em.

And the drummer's proverb....

A bird with a van is worth two in the back.

LTS


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: Hawker
Date: 16 Sep 02 - 06:01 PM

The one I heard was with reference to pipe playing:
7 years learning 7 years practising and 7 years playing...... and then you are a piper!
KB says the same about bodhran playing (& he is a veteran of at least 26 years)
If you can't play it well, play it LOUD!
Dylan? wasn't he in Magic roundabout?
Cheers, Lucy


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: HuwG
Date: 18 Sep 02 - 05:06 AM

"When it sounds awful, it's because everyone else is out of tune"

"Folk music has no Complaints Department"


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: GUEST,Brian
Date: 18 Sep 02 - 05:31 AM

If you ask me to play the Wild Rover, the answer will be
No! Nay! Never!.........


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: Janice in NJ
Date: 18 Sep 02 - 07:03 AM

Andy Cohen after playing some flashy ragtime showpiece: All those notes are on your guitar, too. You just got to know where to find them.


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: GUEST,eoin
Date: 18 Sep 02 - 07:58 AM

wasn't it Donovan who had a notice stuck to his guitar saying...THIS MACHINE KILLS. I always wondered, was he going to kill by, playing it or hitting someone with it?


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: treewind
Date: 18 Sep 02 - 08:30 AM

The other one on requests:

We've had a request....
but we're going to go on playing anyway!

Anahata


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: gwonya
Date: 18 Sep 02 - 09:37 AM

music's the brandy of the damned.

...that one always gives me a warm feeling all over.


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: GUEST,Fred Miller
Date: 18 Sep 02 - 09:46 AM

from 101 folkie insults: If music be the food of love, shut up.


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 18 Sep 02 - 09:54 AM

Don't drink too much bear, or yoo might fall over.john


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: GUEST,Les B.
Date: 18 Sep 02 - 12:35 PM

Said about another musician - "He thinks Time is just a magazine!"


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: Bentley
Date: 18 Sep 02 - 01:55 PM

If you don't know the words,take your shoe's off and hum!


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 18 Sep 02 - 02:09 PM

Well, I gust fot some stickers from a chum of mine who found Arrogant Bastard Ale at a beer fest... and the stickers read

"Fizzy yellow beer is for wussies"

Folkie or not, it's good words to live by!

;-)

Also there's a good quote about the music industry...

"The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." --Hunter S. Thompson


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: Yorkshire Tony
Date: 18 Sep 02 - 08:40 PM

I've never tried drinking a bear John. What do they taste like? I would imagine it would be even chewier than Guiness.


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 19 Sep 02 - 02:16 AM

Can I pedant here for a minute?

There don't actually appear to be many proverbs here... similies, quotes and adages yes, proverbs, very few.

Pedant over. Would a sulky pedant be pedulant???

Just to throw my pen'orth in... Les Barker (may his shadow never grow thinner) in concert in say, Towersey, will often say, 'Here's one that someone requested - in Sidmouth'.

LTS


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: rich-joy
Date: 19 Sep 02 - 05:50 AM

slight thread creep LTS, whilst I reply to "GUEST, eoin" :
I seem to recall that the reason for Donovan's sign on his guitar of "This Machine Kills", came from Woody Guthrie (one of his heroes?) and was completed by the word "Hypocracy" (don't know if were there any others ...)

Cheers! R-J


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: GUEST,dAVETNOVA
Date: 19 Sep 02 - 06:10 AM

I thought it was This machine kills fascists.


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: GUEST,eoin
Date: 19 Sep 02 - 06:55 AM

It didn't kill Donovan, he's still doin' the rounds! I hear he is on tour once again. Fair play to him.


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: GUEST,Rob
Date: 19 Sep 02 - 07:26 AM

one good tune deserves another.

tune before you play.

If music be the food of love play on.Give me excess of it.

many strings make harp work.

To many bodrans spoils the session.

One singer does not make a session.

bodrans rush in where guitarist fear to play.


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: aussiebloke
Date: 19 Sep 02 - 08:50 AM

A list, from which we can depart...

A good gig to have behind you...

We got away with that...

cheers

aussiebloke, with a tip 'o my hat to Tony.


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: GUEST,Brian
Date: 19 Sep 02 - 09:06 AM

Never throw a line to a droning man.


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: HuwG
Date: 19 Sep 02 - 09:16 AM

"Tune in haste, discord at leisure"


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: Bert
Date: 19 Sep 02 - 02:21 PM

If you can't reach that high note, shout!


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 19 Sep 02 - 02:55 PM

"Never throw a line to a droning man."

I'm putting that one on a t-shirt!

It describes perfectly, my feeble attempts at singing harmony!

LOL!!

thanks!


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Sep 02 - 07:27 PM

Woody Guthrie's guitar. "This machine kills fascists."

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: GUEST,Clansfolk
Date: 20 Sep 02 - 04:46 PM

first rule of tuning - "It's always the first string that you altered that was in tune"

Banjo players don't worry - they just fret a lot!


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: GUEST,old bones
Date: 20 Sep 02 - 07:38 PM

there are no wrong notes - only harmonies


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 Sep 02 - 07:56 PM

I know the heading says "proverbs" - but what the fella who started it seems to be after is cases where expressions arising from folk music (and sessions and so forth) are used or usable in the context of life in general.

For example "I can't seem to get in tune today."

(I liked the ambiguity in "This machine kills fascists" - it can mean it helps in the fight against fascists in the world, and also that it helps in the fight against fascism in the soul of the listener." Donovan's guitar just had "this machine kills." I rather suspect it started out as "kills fascists" but someone in the music industry thought that it might be too controversial, and censored it into total meaninglessness. I don't think Woody Guthrie would have put up with that. In fact I don't think Bob Dylan would either.)


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Subject: RE: BS: folkie proverbs
From: momnopp
Date: 20 Sep 02 - 11:20 PM

I'm fond of mixing my metaphors, thank you very much. So in my circle of friends, we can be heard to say,

"You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him dance."

Peace,

JudyO


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Subject: RE: folkie proverbs
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 23 Sep 08 - 08:43 PM

refresh


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Subject: RE: folkie proverbs
From: Effsee
Date: 23 Sep 08 - 09:55 PM

When the soles and heels are oot o' oor shoes, we'll be back on oor feet again!
A wonderful Caithness proverb.


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Subject: RE: folkie proverbs
From: Bryn Pugh
Date: 24 Sep 08 - 06:02 AM

I like the Ninth Beatitude :

Blessed are they who expect nowt, for they will never be disappointed.


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Subject: RE: folkie proverbs
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 24 Sep 08 - 02:19 PM

Jerry garcia once said with regard to PA systems - either you eat the room, or the room eats you

John Williams said of guitar playing, electric guitar playing is about the way the note sustains - acoustic playing is about how the note dies......


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Subject: RE: folkie proverbs
From: CapriUni
Date: 24 Sep 08 - 04:10 PM

Here are some traditional Irish proverbs:

There are two sides to every story, and twelve versions of every song
(and twenty-two exceptions to every rule of grammar!)

An end will come to the world, but love and music will last forever.


And, not strictly about music, but touching on the "folk process":

Drink comes before the story.

Travelers have tales to tell.

Fame is more enduring than life


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Subject: RE: folkie proverbs
From: Aeola
Date: 24 Sep 08 - 04:51 PM

I like the story about the guy who is asked at the folk club if he is going to perform and he asks if anyone has a guitar!


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Subject: RE: folkie proverbs
From: GUEST,Volgadon
Date: 25 Sep 08 - 02:37 AM

Hava nagila, have two.


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Subject: RE: folkie proverbs
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 25 Sep 08 - 03:15 AM

'the guest has donated a rare unsigned copy of his album for the raffle......'


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Subject: RE: folkie proverbs
From: Gurney
Date: 25 Sep 08 - 03:19 AM

Apposite to the title only:
"There's nowt so queer as folk!"
Yorkshire proverb. It doesn't mean what you may think it means.

"Shall we join hands and contact the living?" To a quiet audience.

"Did you all come in the same taxi?"   To a small audience.

"We might be pissed, be we are going to listen, aren't we, children!"
Dave4Guild, towards the end of the evening.


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Subject: RE: folkie proverbs
From: Oldguit
Date: 25 Sep 08 - 03:55 AM

I don't know much about them, they started playing, so I started charging.

Oldguit Arr.


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Subject: RE: folkie proverbs
From: Oldguit
Date: 25 Sep 08 - 04:46 AM

Your pay's in the mild barrel.

If you can bring enough in, I'll waive the room rent.

Oldguit Arr


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Subject: RE: folkie proverbs
From: Oldguit
Date: 25 Sep 08 - 06:02 AM

I can't believe how these are all coming back to me.

Why don't you use one of them little triangle fingies. (plectrum)

Three musicians and a drummer. (so unfair)

Why do you play for next to nothing. (percs said I)

OldGuit Arr


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Subject: RE: folkie proverbs
From: Gene Burton
Date: 25 Sep 08 - 06:43 AM

100


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Subject: RE: folkie proverbs
From: MikeofNorthumbria
Date: 25 Sep 08 - 07:24 AM

Folk musicians play a lot of World Cup gigs - when the action's over, all you get is three tenners.

Wassail!


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Subject: RE: folkie proverbs
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 25 Sep 08 - 12:08 PM

The Derek Brimstone classic, quiet audiences are all right.....unless they're moving towards you.


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Subject: RE: folkie proverbs
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Sep 08 - 12:08 PM

If at first you can't clear the room - Get a banjo in


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Subject: RE: folkie proverbs
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego
Date: 26 Sep 08 - 01:32 PM

I heard the line, "When we finally get this thing in tune, we ought to have it welded" from the Kingston Trio on an old 'live' album back in the 1960's. I heard Travis Edmonson, of Bud & Travis, use a similar line long before that. I'm sure some anonymous banjo picker probably used the same comment at a long forgotten Saturday night get-together somewhere in Appalachia. Point is, the "folk process" takes the accompanying stories, anecdotes and memories right along with the music, doesn't it?


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