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New DigiTrad: Official Announcement

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Subject: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 15 Sep 02 - 12:36 PM

The long-awaited new edition of The Digital Tradition (about 9000 lyrics, about 4500 tunes) is now available on CD. It's been sent to those responsible for putting it on the site, so that will likely occur in the near future.

The CD supports Windows, DOS and Macintosh. If you order it from me (Digital Tradition, 29 Powell Street, Greenwich CT 06831 US), it costs five bucks--that covers the CD, label, package, postage and gas to get to the Post office, with a bit left over for things like ink and equipment maintenance.

If you have a copy, please feel free to copy it for friends.


Thread #51468   Message #784711
Posted By: Pene Azul
15-Sep-02 - 07:52 PM
Thread Name: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT

MS-DOS version: DTSpring2002MSDOS.zip (7.32 Mb)

Windows Version: DTSpring2002Windows.zip (7.78 Mb)

The Mac version should be available online within the next week or so.


Spring 2002 DigiTrad MS-DOS Installation

Create a folder where you'll run the MS-DOS Digitrad, and unzip it into that folder.

To start the program, run the file: F.bat

For more information, run the file: readme.bat


Spring 2002 DigiTrad Windows Installation

Create a folder where you'll run the Windows Digitrad, and unzip it (preserving the folder structure) into that folder.

To start the program, run the file: The Digital Tradition.exe

For more information, see the file: readme.txt


Thread #51468   Message #787611
Posted By: Pene Azul
19-Sep-02 - 02:41 PM
Thread Name: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT

Thanks to Amos, who prepared them for download, here are the Macintosh versions. They, like the Windows version, were written by Mark Heiman.

Macintosh OSX version: macintoshdigitrad_x.sit (7.02 Mb)

Macintosh OS 7.0 to 9.2 version: digitrad_mac.sea (6.69 Mb)

See this file for Macintosh installation instructions: mac_read_me_first.txt


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: MMario
Date: 15 Sep 02 - 12:42 PM

yeee-haW!


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: MudGuard
Date: 15 Sep 02 - 12:44 PM

Dick, I already have the Windows-Version (don't ask me wherefrom...), it is great!

Thanks to all the people who worked on it!

MudGuard


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: Tinker
Date: 15 Sep 02 - 12:47 PM

Great news, any chnce there might be a few at Getaway???

Tinker


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 15 Sep 02 - 01:13 PM

Tinker- I'll try. I seem to have double-booked myself: I'll be on a database forum at the American Folkore Society on that Saturday, and I'll be driving (7 hrs!)to the Getaway on Saturday night. It's possible that I'll be less than well-organized.


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 15 Sep 02 - 01:27 PM

H A L L E L U J A H !!!

Three cheers for Mr. Greenhouse and Susan

Hip Hip Hooray!

Hip Hip Hooray!!

Hip Hip Hooray!!!

Jolly good show - ol' chaps - splendidly done!!

Sincerely, and with the greatest admiration,
Gargoyle


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Sep 02 - 03:10 PM

Address? Or send to Mudcat cafe?


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: Art Thieme
Date: 15 Sep 02 - 03:22 PM

I gheartily second Garg's e-motion !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: MMario
Date: 15 Sep 02 - 03:30 PM

address is in the first post of this thread.


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: GUEST,Jim
Date: 15 Sep 02 - 03:45 PM

Will there be a UK distributor?

Would make a lot more sense than trans-atlantic postage, currency conversions etc.

Jim


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 15 Sep 02 - 04:25 PM

Jim- TRy sending Bill Sables a PM. He has a copy, and has distributed copies in the past. In Scotland, you might try BBob Blair.


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: Tinker
Date: 15 Sep 02 - 04:46 PM

Dick, Will be glad just to see you. I'll try to send off a request and a check soon....

Tinker


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: artbrooks
Date: 15 Sep 02 - 05:03 PM

Dick, do you PayPal, or would you prefer a more solid form of payment?


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: bigchuck
Date: 15 Sep 02 - 05:16 PM

Dick, will you have copies available at NOMAD?
Sandy


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: Jim Krause
Date: 15 Sep 02 - 05:29 PM

Hey, this looks really good. Might have to get one. (After all the hurrah, I thought a bit of understatement might be in order. Typical of us Midwesterners, you know.)
Jim


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: Peter T.
Date: 15 Sep 02 - 06:08 PM

Congratulations, Digitrad. You remain one of the few reasons for using the Internet. yours, Peter T.


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 15 Sep 02 - 06:25 PM

When will the 2002 version be on line?

Dave Oesterreich


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 15 Sep 02 - 06:46 PM

Don't get greedy, Dave! :-)

Bill Sables, will there be any copies available at the Groningen Mudgathering? (If I can wait that long!)


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Sep 02 - 07:19 PM

Susanne,

I don't think that Dave is being greedy.

Some sort of online distribution would make a lot of sense.

Unfortunately, Max seems content to take money, promise lots, but deliver nothing.

Don't hold your breath...


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: Pene Azul
Date: 15 Sep 02 - 07:52 PM

MS-DOS version: DTSpring2002MSDOS.zip (7.32 Mb)

Windows Version: DTSpring2002Windows.zip (7.78 Mb)

The Mac version should be available online within the next week or so.


Spring 2002 DigiTrad MS-DOS Installation

Create a folder where you'll run the MS-DOS Digitrad, and unzip it into that folder.

To start the program, run the file: F.bat

For more information, run the file: readme.bat


Spring 2002 DigiTrad Windows Installation

Create a folder where you'll run the Windows Digitrad, and unzip it (preserving the folder structure) into that folder.

To start the program, run the file: The Digital Tradition.exe

For more information, see the file: readme.txt


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Sep 02 - 08:04 PM

I calculate that the other guest had to NOT hold his breath for 33 minutes, give or take a couple of seconds. Though I likely won't be using it, thank you anyway for those who might forget to say so.


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: Bill D
Date: 15 Sep 02 - 10:15 PM

got it!...thanks Dick and Susan and Pene and whomever...*smile*...

(wonder where 'GUEST' was when it was posted several times the Max had no control over the Digitrad...that it was other problems that slowed down the new version?)


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: Bill D
Date: 15 Sep 02 - 11:41 PM

it works! it works, it works!!!...It is wonderful...It plays tunes and shows the sheet music...and transposes...and gives you choice of instruent in the midi!....and allows you to change the speed!......

and...has LOTS of new songs!.....and.....Rita says "We love it, Dick & everyone who did this!"

...........wow........


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: katlaughing
Date: 15 Sep 02 - 11:57 PM

Wonderful!!! Thanks so much, Dick, Susan, Pene and everyone else who worked on it!

kat


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: GUEST,Martin Ryan
Date: 16 Sep 02 - 06:22 AM

Just downloaded a copy - looks great! Many thanks.

Regards


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: bill\sables
Date: 16 Sep 02 - 07:43 AM

I should have copies at any gathering I attend in Europe and the UK. I will also send copies to anyone who wants them. Cheers Bill


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: wysiwyg
Date: 16 Sep 02 - 10:11 AM

WOW! The FORMAT! WOW!!!!!

I wouldn't care if it had FEWER songs, it's so USABLE!

~Susan


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: Giac
Date: 16 Sep 02 - 11:25 AM

Well! I'm speechless, this is great! Thanks. Seems such a small word in gratitude for so much work. If someone would just bring food for me and the dogs, and walk the dogs, I'd not have to leave this computer for days, or weeks, or ...

Mary


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From: Fortunato
Date: 16 Sep 02 - 12:15 PM

Excellent work. Kudos. Chance


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From: Trevor
Date: 16 Sep 02 - 12:18 PM

Just downloaded - brilliant - thanks Dick.

If anybody wants a CD-R copy please let me know - and whatever you do, don't pay £20.00 for one like somebody I know did at a festival last year.


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: Bill D
Date: 16 Sep 02 - 12:24 PM

just a word folks--this new format will make it MUCH easier to find places where you say.."..but that's not the way I heard it!...The tune is 'different' and the words are not what I remember...and he left out a verse." etc....

Remember...this is a volunteer effort and it is (mostly) folk music. There will surely be songs you'd rather were edited differently....but this is an on-going process which, by it's nature will never be finished, nor satisfy everyone.

I just saw two songs with what I am sure are errors in the lyrics, but I can deal with it by asking questions, doing searches....and...by simply using the folk process and singing it the way I want!..Same with tunes....

No one...least of all Dick...ever claimed that this database it intended to be definitive and etched in stone...it is a resource, like the books and records you have (even like "Rise Up Singing" *grin*)....

I am reminded of the story of the guy who claimed to have a talking dog.

"What is the outside of a tree called" says man to dog.

"Bark, bark"

"And what is the top of a house?" ..."roof, roof"

"Hey!" says his friend, "who are you kidding? Those are set-up answers! You can't fool me!"

"Well, it's a start", says the owner,"...and it's just a wonder the dog talks at all!"


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 16 Sep 02 - 12:25 PM

I never registered as a vendor with PayPal. If checks (or cheques) are a problem, you can also order a copy from CAMSCO Music (same price.) CAMSCO takes credit cards.


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: Genie
Date: 16 Sep 02 - 12:52 PM

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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: GUEST,Bill Kennedy
Date: 16 Sep 02 - 02:57 PM

will the DT on the Mudcat site not be automatically converted to 2002 version? if not why not? if so how long?


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 16 Sep 02 - 03:08 PM

Mr. Kennedy- Nothing is automatic. See earlier posting.


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: Jon Bartlett
Date: 16 Sep 02 - 04:11 PM

Grateful thanks and heartiest congratulations to all concerned. Can someone help me with 2 points? 1) If we come across errors (typing, ascriptions, mondegreens, etc.), who should we talk to? Maybe a thread for these things that those who can correct them could work down? 2) when I open the Windows version and click a song in bold (i.e. with tune) I get a box that says "Unhandled exception: c000008e At address 0052b266" and an OK button. When I hit the OK button I get the standard "Illegal operation - shutdown" message. I've rebooted but the problem stays the same. Is this my inferior computer, or a bad download, or...? Help, please! And onec again, thanks for the excellent update! - Jon Bartlett


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: skarpi
Date: 16 Sep 02 - 04:44 PM

Halló all, how am i gonna get one of those? Where do I send the "five" bucks..... dollars bill?. damm it´s so hard sometimes to be so farawy from you all. This is great . All the best Skarpi Iceland.


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: artbrooks
Date: 16 Sep 02 - 04:50 PM

Jon Bartlett, with the required *BG*, I'd say its something specific to your machine...at least, I can open those files without any trouble.


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: katlaughing
Date: 16 Sep 02 - 06:41 PM

Just downloaded it and it is great! Thanks! Skarpi, you can download it!


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: Wincing Devil
Date: 16 Sep 02 - 07:50 PM

My Gosh!

To Dick, Susan and everyone remotely involved in this project. INCREDIBURGABLE!

This is a great tool! Thanks a bunch!


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: Lanfranc
Date: 17 Sep 02 - 06:04 AM

How on earth do you put a value on this?

I've downloaded it, but feel guilty that I effectively got it free!

Thank you, Dick, Susan and all concerned.


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: SINSULL
Date: 17 Sep 02 - 06:15 AM

Nice work guys. Thank you. Special thank you to the Blue One. You always come through.
Mary


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: the lemonade lady
Date: 17 Sep 02 - 07:12 AM

That cd I bought had loads of other wonderful gismoes on it but I'd have to have paid another £30.00 to get code numbers to access them. Yes I was well and truely ripped off!

Mrs (muggins) Lemon


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Sep 02 - 07:33 AM

Mrs. Lemon,

I don't understand your post. Can you explain, please?


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: Joe Offer
Date: 17 Sep 02 - 10:35 AM

It's explained a bit more elsewhere. Somebody sold Mrs. Lemon a CD of the Digital Tradition, which is available for free download. The CD also included other programs, but those programs wouldn't operate unless she paid a fee for a key code to unlock the programs.
If you produce a copy of the Digital Tradition for somebody, it's OK to ask for something to defray your reproduction cost, but it ain't fair to sell a free program.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: Amos
Date: 17 Sep 02 - 10:36 AM

This is a TERRIFIC product. Well done to all who must have worked long and hard to make it fly. The OSX version worls great!

A


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 17 Sep 02 - 10:55 AM

Well it certainly looks good. I can't get the tunes to play on my PC here at work, but will try it at home.

Congratulations Dick, Sue, and Mark


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 17 Sep 02 - 11:01 AM

Please bear with my ignorance and help me.

I downloaded the Windows version, and there it sits on my desktop. But what now?

I specified the DTSpring2002.zip, and the computer wants to know what program to use to open it. What do I tell it?

Dave Oesterreich


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: MudGuard
Date: 17 Sep 02 - 11:04 AM

Unzip it.
If you don't have Winzip, get a test version from http://www.winzip.com/ (and buy it if you like it).

After you unzipped the zip file, you will find
"The Digital Tradition.exe"

Start it and enjoy!


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: MMario
Date: 17 Sep 02 - 11:11 AM

yes - it really does look nice! I downloaded both the dos and windows versions - dos version working great - windows everything working except sound. (probably a quicktime issue=)

one little problem - every time I open the iwndows version I have to point it to the song index. is there a way around that?


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: Bill D
Date: 17 Sep 02 - 11:28 AM

I have come across a potential bug..(there are bound to be a few in a new product)...

I opened it, opened the 'search' window and searched on the word 'mouse'. I got several hits, including "The Frog & the Mouse"...Then I clicked on the song title IN THE SEARCH WINDOW, and got a blank rectangle and a hung PC!...that is, it refused to do ANYTHING more....not even ctrl-alt-del would work....so I rebooted and tried again, this time scrolling down the list to the song I wanted. It displayed and played just fine.....once again I tried clicking IN the search window, and it again gave me a serious BLUE SCREEN error.

Perhaps the software link from the search box is not right.

I will email the author asking that he test it, but I would suggest you access songs only thru the scroll window until........


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: DMcG
Date: 17 Sep 02 - 11:39 AM

Being fool-hardy, I repeated Bill D's steps, but I didn't get "The Frog & the mouse" listed. There were others so I clicked those - and everything worked! Strange...


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: MudGuard
Date: 17 Sep 02 - 11:49 AM

Also can't find the "Frog and Mouse" song in the Windows version - it is not in the song list and does not appear in the search, whether I search for mouse in titles or songtext...


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: Bill D
Date: 17 Sep 02 - 12:04 PM

tsk...mind is gone..."The Tailor and the Mouse!"

(I KNOW the "Frog & Mouse", so my brain substituted..)


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: MudGuard
Date: 17 Sep 02 - 12:29 PM

Tailor and Mouse can be opened both from search and from songlist without any problems here...


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: catspaw49
Date: 17 Sep 02 - 12:38 PM

WOW!!!!!!



Nice job Dick and Susan. I can only echo the comments of others.....except for those folks who'd bitch if they were hung with a new rope.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: MMario
Date: 17 Sep 02 - 01:17 PM

it is impressive, isn't it?


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: Bill D
Date: 17 Sep 02 - 01:49 PM

ok...I'll do more testing on other songs...when I am sure I have time to re-boot..*grin*


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: Davetnova
Date: 17 Sep 02 - 02:21 PM

Thank you. This is beuatiful


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: RolyH
Date: 17 Sep 02 - 04:10 PM

Just been lost in there for ages

Thankyou very much


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: Snuffy
Date: 17 Sep 02 - 07:57 PM

Mario, Does this mean you'll be making a new list? With 8981 songs and only 4025 tunes, we seem to be worse off than we were two years ago!

But I think many tunes have been posted but not included in the latest DT.


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: MMario
Date: 17 Sep 02 - 11:04 PM

I've only compared the first 510 tunes - but so far running about 56% of the current "missing" tunes have already been submitted.


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: Susan of DT
Date: 18 Sep 02 - 06:00 PM

The number of tunes is not the same as the number of songs with tunes. Many songs share tunes. I get 4410 songs with tunes


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: MMario
Date: 19 Sep 02 - 08:54 AM

I come up with 4568 without tunes based on a search for {not}play.exe in the dos version.

If I remember - that means the number of tunes associated with songs is up at least several hundred from the '99 version.

As I have said, I expect this number (of missing tunes) to drop drastically due to the number of tunes that are already known to have been submitted and/or posted in the forum.

Once I have the list it will:

a) be available (by e-mail) to anyone who wants it.

b) I will be working on converting to songwrite as many as possible of the tunes already submitted as midi or nwc and re-submitting them. At least that will be one less step for Dick.

c) I will also have available a "found tune" list with the locations of those tunes already posted to the forum. (If I get ambitious this list will also have marked the tunes I can e-mail out on request)(but due to my own inefficiency *that* little task is going to take a bunch of cross-referencing and double checking - and may be delayed a bit.)

d) I will continue to track the submission of "missing" tunes (and updating the lists of both "missing" and "found" tunes) at least for those submitted through me or that I see posted.

If there is anything else or a procedural change that would help - let me know.


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Sep 02 - 09:07 AM

MMario

I'd be happy to send you any tunes that I can find, but aren't included in the DT.

Given the fact that most of the tunes submitted to you haven't been included in the new DT release, is there any point?


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: MMario
Date: 19 Sep 02 - 09:51 AM

But a lot of them ARE available on the forum or alan's mudcat midi page, or through me - so yes, I would say it is worth it. (and there is a project in the works that may make them more available faster)

The amount of work putting these into the DT is high; I know Joe puts about a half hour on the average into each one I forward to him - and that doesn't include converting to songwrite! if the lyrics have not been 'fitted' to the tune then the time goes up exponentionally.

Not everybody had the advantage/disadvantage of being chained to a phone and computer 8 hours a day, five days a week.


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 19 Sep 02 - 10:33 AM

A possible clarification. In preparing the Spring 2002 edition, I found myself inundated with songs to which I had no tune. At the same time, I found myself in a severe time bind, so that I could not do the necessary conversion and entry of many of the tunes that were submitted by Mudcatters.

The next edition will go a fair way towards correcting the lyrics/tune imbalance.


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: MMario
Date: 19 Sep 02 - 11:01 AM

perfectly understandable


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: Dan Schatz
Date: 19 Sep 02 - 02:01 PM

Yip, yippity yay! Thanks, Dick, for all the work you've done on this over the years. Was it back in '90 that you brought some computers to the Getaway to show off this digital collection with over (wow!) 400 songs. They were 386s, I think. Me oh my how, fast they grow up.

Dan Schatz (who also grew up - sort of)


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: Amos
Date: 19 Sep 02 - 02:39 PM

You should see it hum on a dual-processor G4 under OSX. Ziippppp!

Good as gold.

Many many many thanks to you, Dick, and your technical developer(s) for all they have done to make this really wonderful asset.

It a box o' gems and magic, and to think you are giving it away!! WOW!!

A


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: Pene Azul
Date: 19 Sep 02 - 02:41 PM

Thanks to Amos, who prepared them for download, here are the Macintosh versions. They, like the Windows version, were written by Mark Heiman.

Macintosh OSX version: macintoshdigitrad_x.sit (7.02 Mb)

Macintosh OS 7.0 to 9.2 version: digitrad_mac.sea (6.69 Mb)

See this file for Macintosh installation instructions: mac_read_me_first.txt


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: GUEST, Dale (at work)
Date: 22 Sep 02 - 12:42 PM

OK, dummy needs help. Downloaded Windows version, unzipped, etc. Everything worked just fine until I tried to click on a song title at which point I got an instant blue screen with this message:

*** Hardware Malfunction

Call your hardware vendor for support

NMI - Parity Check/Memory parity error

*** The system has halted ***

We are running Windows 2000 Professional. I tried it on one machine and got the same result twice, requiring a total restart. Burned it to a CD and took it to another machine, with the same result. Didn't figure I had to try it on the other machines to prove the point.

Any suggestions as to what is wrong, or what I am doing wrong?


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca
Date: 22 Sep 02 - 04:17 PM

I got the downloaded version and it works just fine. I have Windows '98. It works very well.

Thanks to all who made the new DT for Windows!!! What a great birthday present!!!!


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Subject: Attn Mrs Lemon, Trevor and Joe Offer
From: GUEST,Doctor Tarot
Date: 24 Sep 02 - 04:54 PM

Hello,

I dont often visit the DT site due to the time it would take me to fully digest everything that is going on.

However, a little bird told me that the new DT download was available, so I thought I would pop in and catch up....

I am "that British chap" that's been selling that music CDROM that Mrs Lemon, Trevor and Joe Offer were getting so worked up about, and I thought that I should put the record straight once and for all.

* I was given express permission from DG to use the DT on the CDROM and sell the CDROM for profit. I have an email from DG to that effect in my possession for open scrutiny at any time.

* The CDROM does NOT simply copy the DT. There are many other features that took me hundreds of hours to find, collate and put into a presentable format.

* The CDROM contains sample softwares (freewares, sharewares and crippled demos) which need to be registered to release full funtionality - this is ALWAYS made clear to the purchaser at the time of purchase.

* No music files were stolen.

* No software was stolen.

* Royalties on some music files have been paid to the copyright owners.

* I have always respected the wishes of thse musicians who did not want their work to appear on the CDROM (Barry T, Henrick etc)

* Yes, I have made some profit.... I have also made numerous contributions to local charities, but I have so far never let this be known.

* The CDROM is still available but now at a reduced cost due to a reduced market and will continue to be "while stocks last".

* The amount of complaints directly sent to me may be counted one the fingers of ONE hand !

Please, stop this back biting and if you have a problem with the CDROM or the way I conduct my business, tell me to my face. If you have the CDROM, then you know how to contact me.... Please do so and please refrain from blackening my character in here.

Most people get on with me fine. Read my guestbook and see how many complaints that holds.

The next release (if there is one) of the CDROM will NOT include the DT as you all feel so strongly about it.

Best Regards to Dick for the new version, and best wishes to all my customers and friends.... if I have any left now !

DH


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: MMario
Date: 24 Sep 02 - 05:08 PM

There is also a japanese site where a women is selling what appears to be the same CD


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: Joe Offer
Date: 24 Sep 02 - 05:13 PM

Here's Doctor Tarot's previous announcement: (click)
I'll let it speak for itself...
Oh, and here's a response.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: GUEST,Dale
Date: 24 Sep 02 - 10:36 PM

OK, but could someone address the problem I am having, or is there no answer available at this time?
No answer that I know of, Dale. I didn't even know the new DTworked on Win 2000 Professional - can others report on that? How about NT? Hold on, and we'll see if others have similar problems. -Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: Uncle Jaque
Date: 24 Sep 02 - 11:54 PM

I downloaded about a week ago and unzipped using "Pico Zip", under evaluation having determined that the previous zip utility, "zip corral" was bloody awful.

After installation, it was missing all sorts of files and would not fully open or function - although what did come up looks pretty impressive! A second attempt at re-downloading and installation did no better, so the file is getting corrupted somewhere along the way. I don't want to blame the zip utility as it may be something else like a system incompatability, so I guess I'll wait a while for any "debugging" that might need to be done and send for the CD.

At least we had no lockups or "crashes" as reported by a couple of folks here.

We are running an old souped-to-the-max Gateway P-166, 8-gig HD, W-98-b., 64megs ROM(?), 200 Mz Pentium, connected by cable modem. I hope that we will be kept posted on developments and eventually get something that will work on this beast.


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: alison
Date: 25 Sep 02 - 02:29 AM

wonderful job everyone.. I love the "dots".. and the ability to transpose

slainte

alison


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: MudGuard
Date: 25 Sep 02 - 02:41 AM

Joe, the new DT is running on my NT as well as on my W2K Prof.

Only one minor problem (didn't check whether it exists on W2K as well) on WinNT: the list of instruments for playing a song is not shown completely, the lower part (all below Ooh Choir) is invisible but can be selected - but as I don't see which instrument is selected it is a bit of a lottery...


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: GUEST,Dr Tarot
Date: 25 Sep 02 - 04:08 AM

Hello Joe, thanks for the reply, but I *was* aware of both of those items, and now everyone has a chance to see for themselves what has transpired.

I stand on what I said, I didnt use any of Barry Taylors tunes, and the support seemed to swing the other way for a while toward the end of that thread. It was the specific comments in this thread that really upset me.

Also, I should apologise for somewhat hijacking this thread, so I'll go away again now. Ive said my pieces, and the offer is still open for disaffected customers to contact me direct.

David Harris aka Dr Tarot


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: AKS
Date: 25 Sep 02 - 06:59 AM

Joe,I tried what Dale described above, and it seems to work ok my desk (Dell gx240 / win2000 sp3)!

Thanks and bows to those involved, remarkable job you've done!

AKS


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: GUEST, Dale
Date: 25 Sep 02 - 10:54 AM

OK, I just now tried the disk at home,(Windows ME) and it seems to work perfectly, at least on the things I tried. So a faulty download or a bad disk can be ruled out.


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: pattyClink
Date: 25 Sep 02 - 08:28 PM

WOW!!!! What a fabulous, wonderful, fantastic thing! What an achievement for those who put it together!! THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!

If you have broadband, download it TODAY. Only took 2 minutes and another to unzip. If you've never trotted through the old or new DT on your own box, GET IT! It's a totally different thing being able to browse the listings and run the tunes while you read the words, much different than doing online searches. You'll find truckloads of cool new songs you never dreamed of. Go for it.

THANK YOU LADIES AND GENTLEMEN WHO MADE THIS HAPPEN!!!!!


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: GUEST,duquemandas@hotmail.com
Date: 28 Sep 02 - 03:51 PM

The Windows issue of the DT database looks great, but sounds do not work at all even with the last version of Quick Time installed...some instructions about this would be a great help for a deceived user. Thanks a lot.

J. de Lasala SPAIN


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 28 Sep 02 - 05:32 PM

Mark Heiman is trying to pin down problems with sound. Please have patience--it's a complex problem, considering the number of operating systems and computers around.

Re. Dr. Tarot (David Harris)

The Digital Tradition is copylefted, copy-encouraged and available for anyone to use as he or she sees fit. Anyone. Any way. period.


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: Rex
Date: 01 Oct 02 - 10:51 AM

Say this is mighty spiffy. Got it dusted and cleaned up nicely. I can find my way around here better. Must be on account of you lighting up a few more table lanterns. I see you cleaned up all the whiskey bottles too. Now what you need is a nice picture on the wall of those poker dogs. Thanks for sprucing the place up.

Rex


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: Trevor
Date: 01 Oct 02 - 11:32 AM

Hello Dr Tarot. Just had a look back at my post (and Mrs Lemon's). I'm sure we don't sound wound up, just letting friends on the 'cat know that they may have the option of paying you for the database if they wish. And I'm sure, bearing in mind all of the above, and other threads, that you won't get your arse in your hand when you know that somebody is doing a great job of copying your CD and giving out to people.

Easy come.......


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Subject: RE: New DigiTrad: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
From: fogie
Date: 01 Oct 02 - 12:56 PM

refresh till I get a higher capacity disc!


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