Subject: RE: In Praise Of Mudcat From: mousethief Date: 21 Jan 10 - 12:43 AM Tamarind soup base! (something sour to flavor it up) O..O =o= |
Subject: RE: In Praise Of Mudcat From: GUEST,Suegorgeous (away as aforementioned) Date: 20 Jan 10 - 04:24 PM ta :) |
Subject: RE: In Praise Of Mudcat From: Joe Offer Date: 20 Jan 10 - 03:43 PM <i>Nay!</i>love, -Joe Offer, naysayer- |
Subject: RE: In Praise Of Mudcat From: GUEST,Suegorgeous (away in Hanover) Date: 20 Jan 10 - 03:43 PM SOP - why, thanks... wasn't aware of that interesting derivation. Also not aware of the other stuff you mention... but perhaps sometimes ignorance is bliss? (or should I say io?) How do you italicise (etc) text in posts, btw? tried in vain before to do it... Sue |
Subject: RE: In Praise Of Mudcat From: The Sandman Date: 20 Jan 10 - 03:41 PM we have had in the shape of Folkie Dave. |
Subject: RE: In Praise Of Mudcat From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 20 Jan 10 - 03:39 PM As a long time denizen of Mudcat, I hate to have to say that this thread has gotten very sweet and sticky! Maybe we need one of the resident naysayers to come in and add something sour, just to flavor it up! Dave Oesterreich |
Subject: RE: In Praise Of Mudcat From: Midchuck Date: 20 Jan 10 - 03:25 PM please explain NSFW? "Not Safe For Work," i. e. contains "dirty" pictures, words, or whatever. Usually nudie pictures. Idea is, don't open it at work where you might be caught, or leave a record of having done it on the network server. Fortunately, I was always self-employed... P. |
Subject: RE: In Praise Of Mudcat From: open mike Date: 20 Jan 10 - 03:14 PM please explain NSFW? |
Subject: RE: In Praise Of Mudcat From: GUEST,Mr Red Date: 20 Jan 10 - 10:44 AM Hey - WE can ignore them you know! The main hting is not to feed the trolls. |
Subject: RE: In Praise Of Mudcat From: The Sandman Date: 20 Jan 10 - 05:57 AM Subject: RE: In Praise Of Mudcat From: Folkiedave - PM Date: 19 Jan 10 - 03:58 PM Also, the moderation is wonderfully lenient, you can say pretty much anything you fu**ing want to!! That is indeed true. In fact nowadays it doesn't have to be accurate or truthful that applies to any site, but the fact of the matter is that 99 percent of what is on this site is accurate and true. what messes this site up,is the stupid little wars,that you, ruth archer and lizzie cornish indulge in. if you dont like a thread that someone starts, ignore it. |
Subject: RE: In Praise Of Mudcat From: SteveMansfield Date: 20 Jan 10 - 05:24 AM I've only really got active on Mudcat in the past 2 years or so, and am very grateful for its existence - a wonderful source of information, entertainment and occasional enlightenment. The tone of discussion and disagreement can sometimes become a little, er, NSFW, but I'd take that any day over an airbrushed over-editorialised discussion. The rise of specialist discussions forums and the death of Usenet (uk.music.folk, for example, is pretty much moribund apart from spam) has fragmented the online discussion of traditional music in the past few years through the sheer available choice of platforms - but the Mudcat is one watering hole we can all meet at, and we should value it for that. |
Subject: RE: In Praise Of Mudcat From: Jack Blandiver Date: 20 Jan 10 - 04:41 AM SOP - please translate the exclamation marks? Certainly, Sue. As you're probably aware, the exclamation point derives from the shorthand form of the Latin io - meaning Joy. My exclamation marks are an expression of the joy I feel upon reading Joe's above quoted remarks in the light of recently celebrated spats & unsolicited PM remarks from our esteemed pontiff which would render them a complete nonsense. Still, we're only human, eh? |
Subject: RE: In Praise Of Mudcat From: open mike Date: 19 Jan 10 - 05:23 PM In light of the fact that many of us find the mudcat important if not essential to our lives, and to some, a significant part of every day, I would like to add a reminder to do what you can to help this keep going...here is a quote from the "support the mudcat page" Hey, thanks for wondering how we are supported. The real truth is that we're not. Jeff, Joe, Dick, Susan and I and the rest of the gang do it from the heart. It is a labor of love. We won't ever stop publishing for as long as we are able, which seems to be the point. We always must be able to do this. That means in a longevity sort of way as well as a day to day upkeep and upgrade way. We have jobs just like everyone else out there, and we Mudcat-It as much as we can around those things that we need to do to pay our bills. If the Mudcat and Digitrad helped pay those bills, you bet we'd spend more time improving and adding to the Mudcat and Digitrad. The more support we get, the more we are compelled to and able to do. I often wonder, as I know does Dick, what the Mudcat could be if it were our full time job. A dream... just a dream. We also always require hardware and software to keep the Mudcat purring, not to mention internet connectivity and such. Anyhow, I hate the idea of accepting donations. We can't afford to get our tax exempt status, therefore any donations are not tax-deductible. Plus, I am sure you have more important things to do with your money. You can contribute by mailing checks or money orders. You can also use PayPal (send to max@mudcat.org). Max D. Spiegel The Mudcat Cafe P.O. Box 274 State College, PA 16804 also remember, if you are looking for any recordings, look here first Purchasing from Dick Greenhaus at Camsco Records. benefits the Mudcat Café and the Digital Tradition. Camsco Music 145 Hickory Corner Road East Windsor, NJ 08520-2415 800-548-3655 dick@camscomusic.com If you get requests for donations from many worthy causes, consider how "worthy" the mudcat is, and what it is worth to you to be able to come here and instantly connect with folkies all around the world...what a special community! You can sent in your offering by pay pal--it is easy and painless and satisfiying! It is as stimulating as a cup of coffee, as a source of food for thought, as "nourishing" as a good meal, and it is non-fattening. Oh, heck, just pitch in! |
Subject: RE: In Praise Of Mudcat From: Bill D Date: 19 Jan 10 - 04:40 PM "In fact nowadays it doesn't have to be accurate or truthful." You mean, 'accutate & truthful', like how it is in RT, with real people? Or in the government? |
Subject: RE: In Praise Of Mudcat From: Folkiedave Date: 19 Jan 10 - 03:58 PM Also, the moderation is wonderfully lenient, you can say pretty much anything you fu**ing want to!! That is indeed true. In fact nowadays it doesn't have to be accurate or truthful. |
Subject: RE: In Praise Of Mudcat From: Maryrrf Date: 19 Jan 10 - 03:20 PM My first post was in January 2002, and I'd been lurking for several months. I'm pretty sure I've not missed a day at least checking briefly, except for times when I didn't have access to the internet for one reason or another. It's a part of my life now. And it's funny how there's an almost instant cameraderie when you meet somebody who is a 'catter. |
Subject: RE: In Praise Of Mudcat From: VirginiaTam Date: 19 Jan 10 - 03:07 PM Only been here a year and a bit, (though I did make guest forays in early years) and I am so addicted that Mudcat is the first thing I look at in the morning and last at night before I shut down the pc. I get more than just information here. I get humour, angst, hope, joy, absolution and affirmation, and camaraderie. Some people like to get a thought for the day from little day calendars and bedside books. I get hundreds of thoughts here. Some are good, some not so good and some very very wonderful. Thank you Max and others who made and make this great pool of thoughts. |
Subject: RE: In Praise Of Mudcat From: Tim Leaning Date: 19 Jan 10 - 02:34 PM Mudcat is an excellent resource and bringer of mixed emotions. It is just the place for mudcatters and reflects what we are . BUT I like it anyway.. Cheers and stay wonderful people. |
Subject: RE: In Praise Of Mudcat From: Maryrrf Date: 19 Jan 10 - 02:16 PM Yes it is a good time to praise and give thanks for Mudcat (and thanks to Max, who started and maintains it). I visit Mudcat several times a day, have learned so much, and not only about music, from the collective wisdom, so freely offered, by 'catters. When times are rough, or you are lonesome, you can always stop in at Mudcat and if all else fails read through the old threads...there's always something to raise your mood and perk your interest. Not to mention the friendships that have developed over the years as a result of this remarkable, sometimes infuriating but always interesting, cybercommunity. Long Live Mudcat! |
Subject: RE: In Praise Of Mudcat From: GUEST Date: 19 Jan 10 - 02:09 PM SOP - please translate the exclamation marks? Sue |
Subject: RE: In Praise Of Mudcat From: GUEST,Silas Date: 19 Jan 10 - 12:27 PM Great place, full of really knowledgeable people, if you need lyrics or help, this is the place to get it. Also, the moderation is wonderfully lenient, you can say pretty much anything you fu**ing want to!! |
Subject: RE: In Praise Of Mudcat From: Steve Gardham Date: 19 Jan 10 - 10:30 AM As a relatively new member I wish I had known about Mudcat from its inception. I only got to know MalcolmD in the last 4-5 years and I missed out on a lot of banter with Bruce Olson which grieves me a lot. Like some of the other contributors I am a member of a couple of scholarly lists, and whilst these are very useful and helpful, they simply do not have a fraction of the membership, so when I put out a request for info on Mudcat I'm pretty certain of an immediate and knowledgeable response from a whole host of well-meaning people, and if I get on my high horse as I do occasionally I know someone will immediately bring me down to earth, and that's a good thing. Then there's the sense of humour and sheer love...... Mustn't forget the music itself! |
Subject: RE: In Praise Of Mudcat From: Gedi Date: 19 Jan 10 - 08:16 AM Indeed Mudcat is unique, in both the DT and the forum. I spend most of my lunch-hours browsing the threads, looking for various lyrics and keeping tabs on things. I enjoy many of the discussions, even if I don't always participate, and yes, even the ones that get somewhat heated. Its a great place to get a different take on music. Thanks to all involved in keeping it going. And yes I will be making a donation : ) Cheers Ged |
Subject: RE: In Praise Of Mudcat From: The Sandman Date: 19 Jan 10 - 07:55 AM Yes, a great site,an excellent way of passing on songs,and information about songs,and discussing musical techniques. |
Subject: RE: In Praise Of Mudcat From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 19 Jan 10 - 06:42 AM Mudcat is my homepage & I wouldn't be without it. I've learnt so much here, shared stuff I know (not a great lot) & find (lots more) & have met some great people. Some in person, others I'll probably never meet. sandra |
Subject: RE: In Praise Of Mudcat From: Mr Red Date: 19 Jan 10 - 05:59 AM Mr Red arrived here 10 years ago and followed just this path. A lnk here have been on the homepage of cresby.com ever since. The only caution I would counsel is: when asking questions, state what you do know, eg factoids, web pages found, etc. It saves time and helps those who REALLY know and want would help you. All hail Max & Joe & Joeclones. |
Subject: RE: In Praise Of Mudcat From: Jack Blandiver Date: 19 Jan 10 - 04:41 AM Mudcat is non-hierarchical, so my function at Mudcat is somewhat undefined — but I do it very well, and have a great time doing it. !!!! (!!) |
Subject: RE: In Praise Of Mudcat From: Hamish Date: 19 Jan 10 - 03:59 AM There are many folk events here in the UK which just wouldn't be possible without Mudcat. I like to think we all show our appreciation in tangible terms from time to time. See Support the Mudcat |
Subject: RE: In Praise Of Mudcat From: open mike Date: 18 Jan 10 - 07:29 PM Reviving this praise thread after seeing an article in the San Francisco folk Music Club's newsletter, by our own Joe Offer: (from a year ago) http://www.sffmc.org/archives/jan09/clubnews.html Mudcat Cafe by Joe Offer, joe@mudcat.org I am a folk song addict. I started out on Peter, Paul and Mary but, as the song says, "I soon hit the harder stuff." In fact, it was Paul Stookey who introduced me to the harder stuff. He had a copy of the Digital Tradition (DT) Folk Song Database on his computer, and I soon installed a copy on my own computer. I found the songs in the DT to be far more interesting and challenging than the stuff I'd learned from PP&M and Kingston Trio records. In 1996, Max Spiegel opened his Delta Blues website as home to the DT database, and started a discussion forum so folks could submit and request lyrics. He called the website the Mudcat Café, and he was its first "bartender," assisted by Dick Greenhaus & Susan Friedman of DT. I joined Mudcat in 1997, became a moderator, and since then I've been the primary "people contact person." Mudcat is non-hierarchical, so my function at Mudcat is somewhat undefined — but I do it very well, and have a great time doing it. Annually since 1999, I've attended SFFMC's Camp Harmony and the Getaway of the Folklore Society of Greater Washington, partly to get to know the people I've met at Mudcat. I have even made trips to England and Ireland to meet Mudcatters and enjoy their music. Mudcat has become a worldwide community of folk musicians and fans, with 22,547 registered members and many guests who stop in to look up a song or add a comment. We've had almost 2.5 million message posted, and over 116,000 discussion threads on a wide spectrum of topics. Participants may spend time in our "BS" sectio , discussing anything under the sun, and we've had Mudcat romances including one or two that ended up in marriage. As for me, I stay for the folk music, and my favorite threads are the song threads. If we research a song, we do so thoroughly, and we often come up with ten different versions of the lyrics. If we can't find a song, we keep looking even if it takes years. Along the way, we learn fascinating stories about the songs, the singers and the songmakers. I started a thread on the songs of Jean Ritchie, and Jean Ritchie herself has been helping me with it. Art Thieme (Chicago), Kendall Morse (Maine) and John Roberts (England & US) have often helped us with song research, telling us marvelous stories about the backgrounds of songs. Eliza Carthy is an occasional participant, as is former Weavers member Frank Hamilton. These are only a few of the moderately well-known folk musicians who have participated in Mudcat discussions. If you haven't seen the Mudcat Cafe stop and visit us on the Internet at www.mudcat.org. You'll find we're a great resource for folk lyrics and music information, a worldwide folk community where nobody stays a stranger for long. |
Subject: RE: In Praise Of Mudcat From: belfast Date: 02 Oct 02 - 10:00 AM Well, big tim and ard mhacha, t least this gives me a chance to practice doing a blue clicky. This is it That's the thread where I came upon a conversation (is that the right word? Sounds pleasantly old-fashioned. ) concerning the words of "The Shipyard Slips". And now I know that I discovered this site on Aug13 '02. And this is the thread where I was given a crash course in ABC notation. This is it And this is what I finally(?) settled on as the abc notation of the tune. First 8 bars verse, second 8 chorus(P) |
Subject: RE: In Praise Of Mudcat From: Art Thieme Date: 01 Oct 02 - 01:45 PM Yes, this place is the oasis that an old coffeehouse in Chicago used to be for me for almost 4 decades. I've probably said this before, but there are always new folks stumbling in here parched and weary as is the case at any good oasis And thanks, again, Max, for providing these virtual quenching fantasies that we all need to get through the deserts. (See the song "Me and Jimmie Rodgers" by Shel Silverstein. It is all about needing fantasies. Art Thieme |
Subject: RE: In Praise Of Mudcat From: ard mhacha Date: 01 Oct 02 - 12:57 PM Aye, c`mon there Belfast and let us know the name of that song. Ard Mhacha. |
Subject: RE: In Praise Of Mudcat From: GUEST,John J not a guest! Date: 01 Oct 02 - 12:51 PM Yup! |
Subject: RE: In Praise Of Mudcat From: MMario Date: 30 Sep 02 - 07:09 PM and now it's new and improved! offer void where prohibited. Canandian citizens may have to answer a skill question in order to benefit |
Subject: RE: In Praise Of Mudcat From: CET Date: 30 Sep 02 - 07:01 PM I agree with all of the above. I would also add that one of the great benefits of Mudcat is the people I've met. I didn't stay with my face stuck in front of the computer screen. I went to places that I would never have discovered otherwise. However, I think the Guest who asked if Mudcat was serving a purpose has come in for some undeserved abuse. It was a fair question. We ought to be able to explain why Mudcat is useful. I don't think this person was a troll. Edmund |
Subject: RE: In Praise Of Mudcat From: Glade Date: 30 Sep 02 - 06:37 PM Mudcat.org IS indeed a wonderful site. I've learned a lot here and the people are so helpful. welcome, belfast. Glade |
Subject: RE: In Praise Of Mudcat From: Big Tim Date: 30 Sep 02 - 03:36 AM Here, here, tho you're a quicker learner than me, which, no false modesty here, especially regarding computers, wouldn't be difficult. I've still to try blue clickies and ABC notation. "A song I wrote many years ago" - tantalising! |
Subject: RE: In Praise Of Mudcat From: Liz the Squeak Date: 30 Sep 02 - 03:14 AM Saddens me that threads slagging off Mudcat get literally hundreds of postings and this one, praising it without becoming sycophantic gets barely a dozen. I think it's a wonderful place because I can go on and on and all you have to do is ignore me.. I feel good about imparting my knowledge and experiences with you all, because I'm an attention seeker, and have a good laugh over the BS postings. I've learnt many new things and hope someone has learned from me.... And when the brown smelly stuff hits the whirly blade machine, you're all there. LTS |
Subject: RE: In Praise Of Mudcat From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Date: 29 Sep 02 - 10:34 PM Isn't this a wonderful place, Belfast. Thanks, Mudcat, Dick, Joe, Susan, and Max. |
Subject: RE: In Praise Of Mudcat From: Bev and Jerry Date: 29 Sep 02 - 04:12 PM Through mudcat we have found some old friends whom we haven't spoken to in years (decades, in some cases). We've even arranged to meet up with some of them. And, we've met some new friends both virtually and in the flesh (so to speak). What a wonderful forum. Thanks to all and especially to Max and Joe and his clones who make this all possible. Bev and Jerry |
Subject: RE: In Praise Of Mudcat From: CarolC Date: 29 Sep 02 - 03:52 PM I found a whole universe of wonderful music I didn't know existed here in the Mudcat (I'm speaking of Finnish music), I found my first accordion teacher and mentor in the Mudcat, I found my outrageousness in the Mudcat (nearly nude calendar), I found my writing voice in the Mudcat, I found some of my favorite friends in the Mudcat, and I found my best friend and fiancee in the Mudcat. I reckon the Mudcat has changed my life for the good in just about every respect. |
Subject: RE: In Praise Of Mudcat From: GUEST,Sheila Date: 29 Sep 02 - 01:50 PM I join the others. My thanks and appreciation go to people around the world who have, with knowledge and insight, helped me in my requests for information. Any query I ever posted got a number of helpful responses. There is NO other site like Mudcat! Merci!!!! Sheila |
Subject: RE: In Praise Of Mudcat From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 29 Sep 02 - 12:32 PM Whether the thread is called " In Praise Of Mudcat" or "Is Mudcat serving a purpose?" it's going be be mainly people saying good things about the Mudcat, quite rightly.
And some the other way no doubt - but as Jerry Rasmussen has pointed out on that other thread: "Even the obnoxious Guests, to distinguish them from the enjoyable Guests, serve a porpoise. They make momentary bedfellows out of people who might otherwise have nothing in common. And in the process, they may find out that they have more in common than they realize. All good stuf. " |
Subject: RE: In Praise Of Mudcat From: Don Firth Date: 29 Sep 02 - 12:12 PM All of the above! Don Firth |
Subject: RE: In Praise Of Mudcat From: The Pooka Date: 29 Sep 02 - 11:56 AM Belfast: Britannia Rules, but Mudcat Rocks, Folks. / The Mudcat made me what I am today. But that's the exception. / This is a truly superb forum. |
Subject: RE: In Praise Of Mudcat From: alanabit Date: 29 Sep 02 - 11:43 AM I'm glad you made an exception to join Mudcat. Welcome. |
Subject: RE: In Praise Of Mudcat From: Amos Date: 29 Sep 02 - 11:29 AM Ah, belfast,, you really do have the rights of it. Actually there area lot of insightful, as well as silly, remarks on the thread you mention. What is interesting about it is that such a dimmy topic can be turned by some into an intertesting conversation. A |
Subject: RE: In Praise Of Mudcat From: GUEST,Anne Price Date: 29 Sep 02 - 11:27 AM I couldn't agree more. Mudcat is a marvelous resource. Within minutes I can find lyrics that used to take me forever to find, if I could at all. If I hear a song on tape and can't make out part of the words, or if I don't understand all of them, I can post a thread and within hours get replies from all over the world, explaining and even offering alternate versions. The forum is an invaluable way to communicate with like-minded people from everywhere whom I would never have known existed before. I want to say thank you. |
Subject: In Praise Of Mudcat From: belfast Date: 29 Sep 02 - 11:03 AM I came across this site a couple of months ago. A friend had mentioned it to me and I looked in with no other intention but to find the words of "Blue Green Bangle". I had no great hopes of actually finding it, but there it was. Mission accomplished. I decided to have a quick nosey around while I was here. Among other things I came across that great thread on the origins of "Carrickfergus". And I returned to the site looking for the words of other songs. And then in noseying through past threads I came across some people trying to decipher the words of a song that I had written many years ago. So I posted a message. And despite being a compulsive non-joiner I was hooked.
Since then I have learned that here I can get a wealth of information about any song in minutes (if not seconds).
I have learned that there are many people out there who have a vast amount of information. And there are a one or two people who seem to know very little (this is a great comfort).
I was taught how to format a song with line breaks etc. I even learned how to do the blue clicky thing (though not always accurately).
I learned how to transcribe music in ABC notation. When you consider that when I first looked into Mudcat a couple of months ago I had never even heard of ABC. And I could not have done it without the assistance of many generous people out there. Recently I saw a thread here entitled "Is Mudcat serving a purpose?" To me this seemed like an incredibly stupid question. I couldn't be bothered to even glance at this thread. Life is too short. But not too short to post this message of praise and thanks. |
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