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Martin CEO IV Guitar -- Opinions?

Fortunato 01 Oct 02 - 03:28 PM
Bee-dubya-ell 01 Oct 02 - 04:56 PM
Fortunato 01 Oct 02 - 09:00 PM
DonMeixner 01 Oct 02 - 11:29 PM
John Hardly 01 Oct 02 - 11:30 PM
Willie-O 02 Oct 02 - 12:03 AM
Willie-O 02 Oct 02 - 12:06 AM
Bee-dubya-ell 02 Oct 02 - 12:17 AM
Willie-O 02 Oct 02 - 12:22 AM
John Hardly 02 Oct 02 - 08:39 AM
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Rick Fielding 02 Oct 02 - 10:13 AM
Fortunato 02 Oct 02 - 10:44 AM
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John Hardly 02 Oct 02 - 10:48 AM
GUEST,Louise in Prince Edward Island, Canada 18 Oct 02 - 12:27 AM
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Subject: Martin CEO IV Guitar -- Opinions?
From: Fortunato
Date: 01 Oct 02 - 03:28 PM

I've got the GAS brothers and sisters. I've got a crush on a guitar I've only seen in pictures and specs. It's the Martin CEO IV. It's a slope shoulder dreadnaught with a 14 fret neck. It has a Dark Sunburst finished Adirondack Spruce top, solid Mahogany back and sides,Black Micarta fingerboard and bridge. It closely matches my '50s J 45 right down to the nut width (1 11/16). Click here Has anybody played one of these? Any opinions?cheers, chance


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Subject: RE: Martin CEO IV Guitar -- Opinions?
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 01 Oct 02 - 04:56 PM

Sorry, haven't played one. But, if you need someone to talk you down:

No buy!!! No buy!!! Martin Guitars bad!!!

(That didn't work. Did it?)

But, seriously, if you've just gotta have another 14 fret slope-shoulder D, do yourself a favor and check out both Collings' and Santa Cruz's versions before shelling out 2 large for the CEO IV. It's probably a great box, (Only kidding about Martin Guitars being bad - I have three of them.) but I wouldn't want to buy it and then find out a year later that the Collings or SGCC model sounds a lot better.

Bruce


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Subject: RE: Martin CEO IV Guitar -- Opinions?
From: Fortunato
Date: 01 Oct 02 - 09:00 PM

ROGER, BEE-DUBYA-ELL, I'll take a look.


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Subject: RE: Martin CEO IV Guitar -- Opinions?
From: DonMeixner
Date: 01 Oct 02 - 11:29 PM

Jeepers Chance, why get a guitar that looks like a Gibson and sounds like a Martin. You'll pick it up with an uncontrolled urge to do Phil Ochs songs and out will come everybody else. You want a 45, but a 45. Nothing else sounds like one.

Don


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Subject: RE: Martin CEO IV Guitar -- Opinions?
From: John Hardly
Date: 01 Oct 02 - 11:30 PM

It's a real nice guitar. I like the sound and the playability but I wouldn't compare it with your ol' J45. Its sound is more contemporary -- more sustain, less chunk. The sunburst, despite the picture is not like your old J45 either. It's a black/red/yellowish-natural and I don't really like it as much as the J45's color choice (I have a '60 LG with the cherry burst top). It is a more gibson than Martin sunburst ONLY in that it is a "burst" that is basically triangular and over the bridge, rather than Martin's dred burst that sort of follows the outline of the top.

It is most probably louder than your J45 was (it has a longer scale length).

This guitar also comes with a micarta fretboard and bridge -- something I have no problem with personally (in fact really prefer the look of when compared to some stripy or "dry" looking ebony or rosewood).

If you really want to try to match an old J45 for both appearnce and sound, the two best I've found at this trick are the Santa Cruz VJ (as mentioned by BWL above -- the collings, however it may be fashioned in the mold of the old J45, has almost none if the sound or feel of one -- it's much heavier (physically) and is so refined in both finish and sound that it transcends the J45 by a pretty good margin -- and becomes a whole different beast in and of itself) and a Gibson limited edition from 2001 that was sold with the old three-in-a-row tuners with the white plastic tuning keys, and had a quilted mahogany back and sides, lighter bracing. These are mighty hard to find -- I stumbled across one and had to correspond with Gibson to get what details I could.


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Subject: RE: Martin CEO IV Guitar -- Opinions?
From: Willie-O
Date: 02 Oct 02 - 12:03 AM

umm, it is now a CEO 5 and the filename of the page is likewise--that's why the blue clicky doesn't work. Here's one that does, I hope:


http://www.elderly.com/new_instruments/items/CEO5.htm


Nice looking instrument but I can't say I care for the name. If you want to see WAY over the top, scroll down and check out the D-50DX.


DX as in Deluxe.


As in fifty grand list price.


Makes the D18GE look like a bargain at 18,500 list.


Dream on.


Willie-O


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Subject: RE: Martin CEO IV Guitar -- Opinions?
From: Willie-O
Date: 02 Oct 02 - 12:06 AM

Well I just found out about the
automatic line breaks!
And now
I know.

W-O


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Subject: RE: Martin CEO IV Guitar -- Opinions?
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 02 Oct 02 - 12:17 AM

Re D-50DX Should I say "Jesus H. Keeeerist!" or just "Holy Fuckin' Shit!"


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Subject: RE: Martin CEO IV Guitar -- Opinions?
From: Willie-O
Date: 02 Oct 02 - 12:22 AM

B-dub, I think they should call THAT one the "CEO" model.
Or the "Donald Trump Signature Model".

Personally I think it's just tasteless.
But I ain't rich.

W-O


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Subject: RE: Martin CEO IV Guitar -- Opinions?
From: John Hardly
Date: 02 Oct 02 - 08:39 AM

no. The CEO-5 is a completely different animal. The CEO-5 is a 12 fret, slotted headstock dreadnaought that has striped ebony fretboard and bridge, bearclaw sitka top, and sapele (mahogany) b&s. The CEO-5 was at least in part the product of a forum discussion (between Chris Martin IV and forum regulars) on Acoustic Guitar Magazine's "Guitar Talk" forum. It came into production a year later than the CEO-4.

I like the CEO-5 considerably more than the "4".


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Subject: RE: Martin CEO IV Guitar -- Opinions?
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 02 Oct 02 - 10:05 AM

John - That CEO 5 does look nice. Have you had a chance for a test-drive? If so, how does it stack up to the 12-fret Cruz D?

Bruce


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Subject: RE: Martin CEO IV Guitar -- Opinions?
From: Fortunato
Date: 02 Oct 02 - 10:13 AM

John Hardly, thanks for the "hands on opinion". My J 45 is a a "Cherry Burst" as well, almost no darkeness in it. Just red and orange and yellow. I'm looking for a guitar I feel comfortable traveling with and that looks presentable on stage.    My old Gibson looks like 40 miles of bad road, now. The modern J45s seem to be 1 3/4 inches at the nut, not my favorite, but I don't know about that limited edition you're talking about. The Santa Cruz is more than double the $1566 I can get the Martin for, and I can't get off 4 grand for the SC now and maybe never!


Don Meixner, "Phil Ochs"! I hear you, Don, but no modern J45, or Dove or Hummingbird that I have found sounds remotely (or potentially) like my J45. Now if I can find that limited edition John's talking about...

Sorry about the blue cliky, here's another.Click here


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Subject: RE: Martin CEO IV Guitar -- Opinions?
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 02 Oct 02 - 10:13 AM

Jeesus Chance, ya gotta at least PM me, when ya have these compulsions! It's wholly possible I just MAY be involved with the real world while you're having one of these crises.

It's quite a nice design.....but remember THIS is what put you on skid row to begin with.

Do what I'd do under the circumstances.....talk someone ELSE into buying it.....feels good!

GASA
(guitar acquisition syndrome anonymous)


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Subject: RE: Martin CEO IV Guitar -- Opinions?
From: Fortunato
Date: 02 Oct 02 - 10:44 AM

Thank you, Dr. Feelgood, uh, Fielding, for the therapy. I'm tempted to go to Chuck Levins on Saturday, and I may need another treatment that morning. My doesn't understand me.

I keep yelling: "I've got GAS, I've got GAS!"

She keep saying: What's new? Go outside!"


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Subject: RE: Martin CEO IV Guitar -- Opinions?
From: Fortunato
Date: 02 Oct 02 - 10:47 AM

My WIFE doesn't understand me, I meant to type. !@#$.

Hey Rick what ever happened that Larivee you wanted me to buy?


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Subject: RE: Martin CEO IV Guitar -- Opinions?
From: John Hardly
Date: 02 Oct 02 - 10:48 AM

BWL,
The CEO-5 is a very fine guitar. I've played four of them -- one at Wildwood in OH, one at Elderly's, one at the Podium in MN and a good friend has one that (#67) that I played for a few hours one evening.

As to how it stacks up to the SCGC -- this is a tough one for me because the SCGC "Norman Blake" -- their 12 fret mahogany, is just about my favorite sounding contemporary guitar. Of course, with a 1 7/8 "neck by Louisville Slugger" it's a handful for some, but as I have large hands, I don't even mind that.

The SCGC was really made as a copy of one of Blake's guitars and it really has the same "feel" as an old guitar. The CEO-5 is definitely (to my sensibilities) a "modern" guitar. It's sound is a little more trebly, a touch more brittle. It's also a different kind of feast for the eyes. Whereas teh SCGC has the more typical reddened mahogany b&s (or the rosewood in a few rarer cases) the CEO carries off a look of shades of amber -- both top and b&s.

As I am probably going to be buying one of these beasts in the next two years (I just got an OM28V and am saving for a new mando first) -- so far my list of probables (based on availibility used) is -- SCGC Norman Blake, D18VS, and of course, if a Collings with the Adirondack top came along used......well...

Back to the "new" J45 -- I am in contact with a guy who has a very nice, tobacco burst SCGC VJ that he is reluctantly selling for about 1800.


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Subject: RE: Martin CEO IV Guitar -- Opinions?
From: GUEST,Louise in Prince Edward Island, Canada
Date: 18 Oct 02 - 12:27 AM

Hi Don,

Was wondering if you could help me out with some lyrics for the song "when you were sweet sixteen"

If you have the time...could you send them to me? I would be much appreciative to you for that.

Hope to hear from you soon,

l.mackinnon@pei.sympatico.ca

* that is a lower case "L" at the first..not a #1...just to let you know..so mail comes to me and not someone else.

Take care! and Thanks!


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Subject: RE: Martin CEO IV Guitar -- Opinions?
From: GUEST,Mike
Date: 28 May 04 - 11:56 PM

The CEO 4 is fantastic. I just recently bought one. I have a 14 year old HD-28 and I like it "maybe" even better than the HD-28. It is mahogany back and sides with an adirondack spruce top. I think the top is the reason it sounds so well. It seems more balanced than the 28 --not as "thumpy" on the Bass side, yet it has plenty of bass.

When I went to buy it the dealer had a 10 year old D-18 which I took and laid them both side by side on the floor and had a friend just play the open strings through--everyone in the store was amazed at how much better the CEO 4 sounded compared to the D-18, and I am an 18 fan. If you can get one in the $1500 range you have a great deal and a great Martin guitar.


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Subject: RE: Martin CEO IV Guitar -- Opinions?
From: Once Famous
Date: 29 May 04 - 06:14 PM

I also know someone who the CEO 4 and I've tried it and loved it.

In my collection I have a late '60s J45 and a '71 D18. The CEO 4 is almost like they copulated and had a child.


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Subject: RE: Martin CEO IV Guitar -- Opinions?
From: John Hardly
Date: 29 May 04 - 06:28 PM

Well, as long as this thread has been resurrected, I might as well add that Elderly's has a VERY nice used CEO-5 in stock right now. I was up there last Friday and had the chance to play it -- it's wonderful.


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Subject: RE: Martin CEO IV Guitar -- Opinions?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 May 04 - 06:51 PM

Did anyone see the 750,000 th Martin? they had it at Philly FF a few years back, before putting it into the museum. I have pictures, somewhere... Estimated cost to order something like it was around $100,000....


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