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Thomas Muir - Adam McNaughton

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Teribus 14 Oct 02 - 04:36 AM
Watson 14 Oct 02 - 06:00 AM
Scabby Douglas 14 Oct 02 - 06:29 AM
Teribus 14 Oct 02 - 09:26 AM
Scabby Douglas 14 Oct 02 - 10:35 AM
Big Tim 14 Oct 02 - 03:35 PM
michaelr 14 Oct 02 - 08:25 PM
Big Tim 15 Oct 02 - 10:18 AM
Gallus Moll 29 Sep 12 - 04:14 PM
Anne Neilson 29 Sep 12 - 04:54 PM
Gallus Moll 29 Sep 12 - 07:26 PM
Stewie 29 Sep 12 - 08:37 PM
Gallus Moll 30 Sep 12 - 02:00 PM
Stewie 30 Sep 12 - 08:53 PM
Leadfingers 30 Sep 12 - 08:57 PM
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Subject: Lyr Add: Thomas Muir - Andy McNaughton
From: Teribus
Date: 14 Oct 02 - 04:36 AM

Does anyone know who has recorded the the above song? If so could they please supply details regarding artist and CD.

Thanks,

Teribus.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Thomas Muir - Andy McNaughtan
From: Watson
Date: 14 Oct 02 - 06:00 AM

The song is by Adam McNaughtan. It was recorded by Dick Gaughan on Redwood Cathedral. Here are the lyrics on Dick Gaughan's website.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Thomas Muir - Andy McNaughton
From: Scabby Douglas
Date: 14 Oct 02 - 06:29 AM

Info about Thomas Muir

The Muir family home - Huntershill House - still stands. I live about 1 mile from it. Muir's life is commemorated locally by a plaque, and in street names.. One of the local high schools is named after him.


Cheers


Steven


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Thomas Muir - Andy McNaughton
From: Teribus
Date: 14 Oct 02 - 09:26 AM

Thanks to those above, especially Watson.

Steven, thanks for the link. The reason I want to learn the song is to do with it's connection to Burn's "Scots Wha Hae".

I originally read about Thomas Muir in Tom Steele's book "Scotlands Story". I don't have it with me but wasn't there something about due process of law in Scotland being put aside to conduct the trial? The trial lasted a day with five and a half hours of defence eye witness testimony that clearly proved Muir's innocence, all of which was completely ignored by Lord Braxfield.

It is an extremely good song written in retrosect. It is factual and accurate unlike some written on other topics.

Thanks again,

Teribus.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Thomas Muir - Andy McNaughton
From: Scabby Douglas
Date: 14 Oct 02 - 10:35 AM

Yeah, well, the notion of the judiciary being separate from, and independent of, the legislature and government is a notion that was as prone to abuse in those days as it is now... but maybe more so then..

Adam McNaughgtan came to Campsie Folk Club last year and this was one of the songs he sang. In his usual way, he found a link to the venue for the concert. The Kincaid House hotel where the event was being held, is adjacent to the farm land of Birdston, which had been the property of the Muir family before they moved to Huntershill..

It's a great song. Muir's story is quite remarkable, and made even more so, because of the way in which he escaped from Australia and made his way back to Europe.

Cheers


enjoy singing it..


Steven


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Thomas Muir - Andy McNaughton
From: Big Tim
Date: 14 Oct 02 - 03:35 PM

Wolfe Tone said of him "of all the vain, obstinate blockheads that I ever met, I never saw his equal". I think he meant it affectionately!Tone himself was of course very far from being perfect.

If ever a man deserved to be commemorated in song it was Thomas Muir.
He may have been foolhardy but basically he sacrificed his life to try and improve the lot of others.

Steven: I know where you are, for many years I used to run in the Springburn 5 [mile road race], the first Saturday in the New Year, from the Huntershill Sports Centre.

Cheers, BT.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Thomas Muir - Andy McNaughton
From: michaelr
Date: 14 Oct 02 - 08:25 PM

Any relation to John Muir ("Redwood Cathedral")?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Thomas Muir - Andy McNaughton
From: Big Tim
Date: 15 Oct 02 - 10:18 AM

No: not as far as I have read, i.e. a biography of both Muirs.


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Subject: RE: Thomas Muir - Adam McNaughton
From: Gallus Moll
Date: 29 Sep 12 - 04:14 PM

The second Thomas Muir of Huntershill Festival in Bishopbriggs ended this weekend -- gradually people are becoming more aware of this amazing man, and the other Scottish Martyrs whose efforts gave us rights so many of us now take for granted, the right to vote, the independence and fairness of courts etc.

On Thursday at a seminar on The Scottish Enlightenment, Adam's song was sung as a ballad by a third year pupil of Turnbull High school, Bishopbrigggs -- sung with stunning impact.
One of the speakers was Olly Wyatt. whose book The Democrat is a novel based on the life of Thomas Muir.      
                  
At the previous Saturday's concert, Iain Ingram sang two songs he had written after being inspired by the Life and Times of Thomas Muir - Awa' Frae Huntershill and Rogues and Vagabonds.

If you have never heard of Thomas Muir -- reesearch him NOW!!!!! The events of his short life will make your heart break - - but make you so thankful that people like him. people with such committment to their fellow men and women, had the courage of their convictions.


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Subject: RE: Thomas Muir - Adam McNaughton
From: Anne Neilson
Date: 29 Sep 12 - 04:54 PM

Well said, Gallus Moll!

And anyone who has heard Adam himself sing it will appreciate the emotional impact of this terrific story -- a timely reminder to all of us that we cannot take our freedoms for granted and we sometimes have to stand up to be counted.

(And I hope someone had the nous to record the Turnbull High pupil!)


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Subject: RE: Thomas Muir - Adam McNaughton
From: Gallus Moll
Date: 29 Sep 12 - 07:26 PM

I am annoyed that I didn't take my recorder - - however the seminar was video-recorded (they produced a dvd of last year's) so they lassie's version should be available on that.
I hope that some more songs about this man's amazing life and adventures will beginn to appear as people become more aware of what he endured to give us the freedom we have now.


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Subject: RE: Thomas Muir - Adam McNaughton
From: Stewie
Date: 29 Sep 12 - 08:37 PM

You can find Adam McNaughtan singing it on his 'Last Stand at Mount Florida' Greentrax CDTRAX 120 [1996].

--Stewie.


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Subject: RE: Thomas Muir - Adam McNaughton
From: Gallus Moll
Date: 30 Sep 12 - 02:00 PM

Thanks Stewie,

ear;ierust told this already today by someone else! So I have been looking online to purchsee it ---- just as a matter of interest,
does anyone know of any other songs (or poems) about Thomas Muir and / or The Scottish Martyrs?

Adam MacNaughton - Thomas Muir of Huntershill
Iain Ingram - Awa Frae Huntershill and Rogues and Vagabonds

are the three I have heard - I have also heard speculation that Robert Burns wrote Scots Wha Hae in honour of Muir / The Martyrs --can anyone point me towards confirmation of this?


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Subject: RE: Thomas Muir - Adam McNaughton
From: Stewie
Date: 30 Sep 12 - 08:53 PM

Gallus Moll,

The album is still available through Music in Scotland:

Last Stand at Mount Florida.

--Stewie.


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Subject: RE: Thomas Muir - Adam McNaughton
From: Leadfingers
Date: 30 Sep 12 - 08:57 PM

The link to Dick Gaughan's site is out of date ! Look Here


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Subject: RE: Thomas Muir - Adam McNaughton
From: Jack Campin
Date: 30 Sep 12 - 09:24 PM

The link between Scots Wha Hae and Muir is far more than speculation. Burns wrote it immediately after seeing Muir transported in chains on his way to his trial, and the note in his manuscript of the song says he had an event "not so ancient" in mind.


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Subject: RE: Thomas Muir - Adam McNaughton
From: Scabby Douglas
Date: 01 Oct 12 - 07:01 AM

Wikipedia has the following:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scots_Wha_Hae

and the BBC History section has the following page:
Enlightenment Radicals

"when 16 000 protested in Paisley, and the band was arrested just for playing Burns' 'Scots Wha Hae'"

The only caveat I'd make with regard to the band being arrested in Paisley is that I'm sure I have seen a similar story about a band in Wishaw or Airdrie. Can't trace it at present.

But it seems that the Establishment clearly regarded Scots Wha Hae as expressing seditious sentiments in its own right. Whether that can be linked to its creation as a covert tribute to Muir, or simply due to the way it was being used at political gatherings, may not be established.

Regards


Steven C


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Subject: RE: Thomas Muir - Adam McNaughton
From: Jack Campin
Date: 01 Oct 12 - 07:58 AM

In that 1820 gathering, the authorities would obviously have arrested the ringleaders on some pretext or other.

Bt then, the association with Muir was largely forgotten. The tune had become a proto-nationalist anthem associated with William Wallace, who was becoming a cult figure in Scotland. The fact that Burns was mainly using Wallace as an allegory for Muir didn't come into it.


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