Take Your Time (Peter Mundey)-license contact?

Subject: Composer error in DT
From: jehill
Date: 03 Jun 98 - 12:57 PM

I notice that the song "Take your time" has been attributed to Loudon Wainwright III. This is incorrect although it may have been recorded by him at some time.

I have this song on an LP by the Ripley Wayfairers and it says this about the song on the cover:

'The late Pete Mundey, who was a member of the Broadside group, was inspired to write "Take you time" by a remark by an elderly lady encountered in a public house. The story goes that the group were chatting to her on the subject of marital bliss when she confessed that, old though she was, she "still like having her clock wound up now and then"...'

Regards

John

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Note from Joe Offer (6 Jan 2017) The attribution on the Digital Tradition lyrics for this song were corrected.

Subject: RE:
From: jehill
Date: 04 Jun 98 - 07:41 AM

Why did I keep typing "you" instead of "your" ... must get my fingers fixed

Subject: RE:
From: Barbara
Date: 04 Jun 98 - 01:38 PM

I have this song on a 1979 Bay Records recording of Faith Petric.
She says in the liner notes "(by John Connolly and Bill Meek) Learned in true oral tradition from Roger Holdstock and adapted to my own feelings, here's another love song and a most beautiful answer to the "problems of senior sexuality " so much is being written and talked about these days." As I recall, Faith changed the gender of the song from male to female. Roger was (is) a Vancouver BC college nglish teacher and writer, and the brother of Davis CA singer Dick Holdstock.
Need the words?
Barbara

Subject: RE:
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 04 Jun 98 - 02:25 PM

Attribution noted and accepted. Does anyone have the words before the sex-change

Subject: RE:
From: jehill
Date: 04 Jun 98 - 02:30 PM

The words to this song are in the DT Database. I was only remarking that the writer was not LW III. The recording that I have of it by the Ripley Wayfarers is 1974 and the writer of it was named Pete Mundey. It is quite likely that John Conolly and Bill Meek didn't know who the composer was when they did the sleeve notes to your 1979 LP. That happens frequently with "folk" songs as they tend to get passed round orally and nobody knows who wrote them or indeed if they or new or old.
There are only minor differences between the DT lyrics and the recording I have, which is probably earlier that LW III's
Actually, if you listen to the lyrics its clear the song should be sung by a woman, so I doubt if Faith Petric had to alter them. Or are you saying that her version is that of a man talking about his wife? Why not post them here so we can see the difference.
Regards John

Subject: ADD: Take Your Time (Pete Mundey)
From: jehill
Date: 04 Jun 98 - 03:19 PM

I've looked through the DT lyrics (by Loudon Wainwright) and thought there was enough differences to post the Ripley Wayfarers's 1974 version here. Its never been through a "sex change" as the lyrics were always for a woman, although its usually sung by a man. Note that it starts with the chorus.
Mick Peat, who sang it for the Wayfarers also presented a folk programme for many years on Radio Derby.

TAKE YOUR TIME
(by Pete Mundey)

Chorus
So take your time, me lovely old lad
Oh there ain't no need for to hurry
For as long as you're able to wind up me clock
Then I have no need for to worry.

You first wound me clock up on our wedding day
You promised t'would always be striking
Though the spring's getting weaker and feeble the tick
It's still very much to me liking.

Chorus

I mind the time when we were young
You worked at the hedgin' and dykin'
Oh you'd go out at dawn and work through till dusk
And come home for me clock to be strikin'.

Chorus

As time goes by, our children's grown up
We're soon making wedding vows binding
Oh I told all me daughters the one thing I've learned
Make sure your clocks always needs winding.

Chorus

And now that we're nearing the end of our days
And you are so tired and grey, love
It still pleases me so when you wind up me clock
And it will till the end of my days, love.

Regards
John

Subject: RE: Take Your Time
From: Joe Offer
Date: 04 Jun 98 - 10:00 PM

"Take Your time" is on Faith Petric's new CD, Faith's Favorites, $16 postpaid, from

Faith Petric
885 Clayton Street
San Francisco, CA 94117 USA
[phone]
[e-mail]

It's a great CD, 22 cuts reissued from albums she has recorded from 1980 to the present. She performs every song as if it were a treasure she wants to share with us.
-Joe Offer-

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Note that I'll keep this thread in the Wainwright crosslinks temporarily as a reminder that it was NOT written by Wainwright and that the attribution needs to be changed.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: TAKE YOUR TIME (Peter Mundey)(not Wainwright)
From: Noreen
Date: 18 Sep 03 - 08:23 AM

Attribution in the DT still waiting to be changed- that's over 5 years worth of people seeing it in the DT and spreading the word that it was written by the wrong person

Wonderful song.


Interesting point: it's mentioned above that the author, the late Pete Mundey, was a member of the Broadside group. Faith Petric in her sleeve notes was attributing authorship to two other members of the group, John Conolly and Bill Meek.

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I added it to the "attribution" thread. Susan of DT has been good about handling the corrections posted there. As you might imagine, corrections posted amidst our 75,000 threads sometimes get lost if they aren't in the regularly-monitored locations.
-Joe Offer- Dec 2004-

Subject: RE: TAKE YOUR TIME (Peter Mundey)(not Wainwright)
From: GUEST,Stumper
Date: 17 Dec 04 - 03:17 PM

Recorded by the Yetties (Dorset band) Some time in the late 1960s

Subject: RE: TAKE YOUR TIME (Peter Mundey)(not Wainwright)
From: rich-joy
Date: 17 Dec 04 - 08:43 PM

Yeah, the YETTIES (1971) Songbook attributes it to Pete Mundey - copyright Maypole Music Ltd ...


Cheers! R-J

Subject: RE: TAKE YOUR TIME (Peter Mundey)(not Wainwright)
From: Rasener
Date: 18 Dec 04 - 03:10 AM

Tom and Barbara Brown do a very good version of "Take Your Time" on there CD called "Where Umber Flows" - WGS300CD

"Mick Peat, who sang it for the Wayfarers also presented a folk programme for many years on Radio Derby"

Mick Peat still does. It's called Folkwaves and goes out on a Monday evening between 7:00pm and 9:00pm.

If you go to the following website http://www.bbc.co.uk/lincolnshire/ and then click on the icon on the right hand side of that webpage called "BBC Local Radio Listen Live" You will be able to listen to him.

Subject: RE: TAKE YOUR TIME (Peter Mundey)(not Wainwright)
From: Rasener
Date: 18 Dec 04 - 03:19 AM

In fact there is a nice little snippet on Tom & Barbara Brown's notes to tracks.

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Another song from the singing of Mervin Vincent. The song was written by Pete Munday but, like The Deep River Boys "Little Lize", Dave Webbers "First of May" and many other songs, it was absorbed into the contemporary Cornish singing tradition. Barbara was given the song by Mervyn - deliberately - to be sung at Tom. Our daughters tend to leave the room when it is sung!
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Subject: Lyr Add: TAKE YOUR TIME (Peter Mundey)
From: BB
Date: 18 Dec 04 - 05:34 PM

Thanks, Villan.

When I first got the song from Mervyn, I had no idea who had written it, although I found out pretty soon that The Yetties had recorded it. It was many years later when I was at an informal session in Derbyshire that someone told me that it was written by Pete Munday - and I've now found out that that should be spelt with an 'e', not an 'a'!

The words I learnt from Mervyn (and I may have changed them a bit for all I know!) are:

CHORUS:
Take your time, me lovely old man,
There ain't no reason to hurry;
As long as you're able to wind up me clock,
Then I have no need for to worry.

You first wound me clock up on our wedding day;
You promised to always keep striking;
Now the spring's getting weaker and feeble the tick,
But it's still very much to me liking.

I mind the time when we were young,
You worked at the hedging and dyking;
You left home at dawn and you worked through till dusk
Then came home for me clock to be striking.

And now that our children are all grown up
And thinking of wedding bells finding,
I've told both me daughters the one thing I've learnt,
'Make sure your clock needs winding.'

And now that we're nearing the end of our time,
You look so tired and grey, love,
But it still pleases me when you wind up me clock
And will to the end of me days, love.

Subject: RE: TAKE YOUR TIME (Peter Mundey)(not Wainwright)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 18 Dec 04 - 06:03 PM

I wasn't able to find a recording of this song by Loudon Wainwright III. What album is it on? Did he do the Mundey song with this title, or something else.

I saw Wainwright perform once, and didn't really like him. I sure like "Dead Skunk," though.

-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: TAKE YOUR TIME (Peter Mundey)(not Wainwright)
From:
Date: 29 Dec 04 - 06:20 PM

Hi all, I just saw this and wanted to add a word: "In fact there is a nice little snippet on Tom & Barbara Brown's notes to tracks.

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Another song from the singing of Mervin Vincent. The song was written by Pete Munday but, like The Deep River Boys "Little Lize", Dave Webbers "First of May" and many other songs, it was absorbed into the contemporary Cornish singing tradition. Barbara was given the song by Mervyn - deliberately - to be sung at Tom. Our daughters tend to leave the room when it is sung!
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The Deep River Boys was my uncle's group, he was the original bass singer from 1936-1956. They recorded at least three versions of "Little Lize", with slightly changed lyrics, under the titles "Honey Honey" and "Honey Honey Honey." One can see a part of it in a soundies they made called "Hark, Hark, the Lark!" which is available on VHS and CD. They start off with "Honey Honey Honey", then segue into "Hark, Hark, the Lark!", then wind up with "Honey Honey Honey" again. It's cute and the singing is nice.

Alfred

Subject: RE: TAKE YOUR TIME (Peter Mundey)(not Wainwright)
From: GUEST,wendy
Date: 16 Oct 07 - 05:35 PM

can anyone supply the tune for this song?

thanks

Subject: RE: TAKE YOUR TIME (Peter Mundey)(not Wainwright)
From: Emma B
Date: 16 Oct 07 - 05:40 PM

Dave and Brenda did an absolutely lovely version of this at the mudgather at Banbury last w'end!

Subject: RE: TAKE YOUR TIME (Peter Mundey)(not Wainwright)
From: Dave4Guild
Date: 17 Oct 07 - 11:59 AM

Glad you liked it Maureen.
Wendy Not sure how to supply the tune unless you do a pm and maybe will be able to tape it for you. We learnt it off a very scratchy L.P. (yes L.p. that I had for my 21st birthday of the Yetties), Dave did our arrangement but of course we havn't got it written down in musical notation.

Cheers

Brenda

p.s. I always use Dave's Cookie as I can never be bothered to change it over.

Subject: RE: Take Your Time (Peter Mundey)(not Wainwright)
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Oct 07 - 04:32 PM

Hi Brenda I would love to do a pm if I only knew what it was and how to do it!

Does anyone have any suggestions as to how this tune can be transferred to me?

thanks
Wendy

Subject: RE: Take Your Time (Peter Mundey)(not Wainwright)
From: Emma B
Date: 22 Oct 07 - 04:43 PM

Wendy you have to sign up to be a member - it really is worth it!

Subject: RE: Take Your Time (Peter Mundey)(not Wainwright)
From: GUEST,Pete Sumner
Date: 22 Oct 07 - 10:08 PM

I have wonderful early memories of Pete Mundey singing with the Broadside at the Grimsby Folk Song Club circa 1969.
The full band was John Conolly - Vocals, guitar, whistles and squeeze box. Bill Meek - Vocals and bad jokes. Brian Dawson - Vocals, accordian and fiddle. Pete Mundey - vocals, banjo, mandolin and whistles. Tommy Smith - Tenor Banjo and mandolin.
Mike Lee joined around that time and, I believe, replaced Pete when he moved to Germany a couple of years later...
His voice was rich and warm and he sang wonderful harmonies. His other famous song 'Sweet Thyme" has gone into the tradition.
I wonderful man with lots of encouragement for a new performer (me) with wobbly legs and shortness of breath.

I believe he died in the mid seventies.

Pete Sumner

Subject: RE: Take Your Time (Peter Mundey)(not Wainwright)
From: BB
Date: 23 Oct 07 - 03:50 PM

Guest Wendy, it's on our CD 'Where Umber Flows', which is still available. PM me if you're interested (although you would, I believe, have to join up to Mudcat first, but it's quite painless!)

Barbara

Subject: RE: Take Your Time (Peter Mundey)(not Wainwright)
From: Jenni_Gormley
Date: 05 May 09 - 03:42 AM

Can anyone give me a link to something with the tune of this song (video? mp3? even just chords??) Please.

Subject: RE: Take Your Time (Peter Mundey)(not Wainwright)
From: GeoffLawes
Date: 05 May 09 - 09:03 PM

Brian Dawson, who as Pete Sumner says was in the Broadside with Pete Mundey, still performs Take Your Time and the last time I heard him perform it he was rightly peeved at the misattribution to Loudon Wainwright III

Subject: RE: Take Your Time (Peter Mundey)(not Wainwright)
From: GUEST,Dave Webb.
Date: 21 Dec 16 - 10:13 AM

I also learnt this song from a Yetties L.P.
I have just written a song about a London sailing barge to to this tune.
It now seems established by these threads that the tune is by Pete Munday.
If ever we get to record the song (Swinging the Lead) I will attribute the tune to him.
Many thanks.

Subject: RE: Take Your Time (Peter Mundey)(not Wainwright)
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Jan 17 - 06:39 PM

Anybody know how to reach Pete Mundey's children or relatives?

Subject: RE: Take Your Time (Peter Mundey)-license contact?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 06 Jan 17 - 07:22 PM

A message above says the Yetties Songbook lists the publisher as Maypole Music Ltd. I found this listing at

companycheck.co.uk

MAYPOLE MUSIC LIMITED
35 BALLARDS LANE, LONDON, N3 1XW
DISSOLVED 00982675

So, that won't work. No doubt, the rights were transferred to somebody, but where?

In the U.S., I can track where rights to a given label ended up through the Music Publishers Association. Is there a similar group in the UK?
-Joe-