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GEORDIE'S PENKER


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Geordie's Lost His Penker (Also known as "Wee Willie's Lost His Marley")


Joe Offer 16 Oct 02 - 02:12 PM
DMcG 16 Oct 02 - 02:17 PM
weerover 16 Oct 02 - 02:20 PM
Joe Offer 16 Oct 02 - 02:28 PM
DMcG 16 Oct 02 - 02:36 PM
Seamus Kennedy 16 Oct 02 - 04:29 PM
GUEST,rugger hugger 16 Oct 02 - 07:31 PM
JedMarum 16 Oct 02 - 08:59 PM
alison 16 Oct 02 - 09:15 PM
Seamus Kennedy 17 Oct 02 - 12:59 AM
Joe Offer 17 Oct 02 - 02:33 AM
Steve Parkes 17 Oct 02 - 03:28 AM
Bert 17 Oct 02 - 03:33 AM
Fibula Mattock 17 Oct 02 - 03:37 AM
Nigel Parsons 17 Oct 02 - 06:08 AM
GUEST,Philippa 17 Oct 02 - 05:18 PM
GUEST,Dave Forshaw 09 Feb 03 - 09:00 AM
Keith A of Hertford 09 Feb 03 - 09:32 AM
*#1 PEASANT* 09 Feb 03 - 10:16 AM
GUEST,MCP 09 Feb 03 - 11:20 AM
Cluin 10 Feb 03 - 11:13 AM
Schantieman 10 Feb 03 - 12:00 PM
Jim Colbert 10 Feb 03 - 12:11 PM
bill\sables 10 Feb 03 - 12:26 PM
Joe Offer 10 Feb 03 - 03:34 PM
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Menolly 14 May 04 - 05:48 PM
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Malcolm Douglas 14 May 04 - 09:34 PM
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Subject: Lyr Add: Wee Willie's Lost His Marley
From: Joe Offer
Date: 16 Oct 02 - 02:12 PM

The Song About a Worker made me think of this one, so I went searching for lyrics. Here's one version I found at this site (click), but I think we should come up with a better rendition of the lyrics, and a suitable history of the song. Seamus Kennedy does a great job on this one on the appropriately-titled Gets On Everybody's Nerves [grin]. I couldn't find it posted, although I found mention of it in a couple of threads. If I'm not mistaken, the tune is almost the same as the chorus of Keep That Wheel A-Turnin'.
-Joe Offer-


WEE WILLIE'S LOST HIS MARLEY

Wee Willie lost his marley,
Wee Willie lost his marley,
Wee Willie lo-o-o-o-o-st his marley,
Down by the old mill road.


[each verse repeats the first line like the above, then ends with
"Down by the old mill road." Following are the rest of the first
lines.]

He lost it down a grating'...

So he went an' got a big stick...

And he rammed it down the gratin'...

But he didn't get his marley...

So he went and got a wiener dog...

And he rammed it down the gratin'...

But he didn't get his marley...

So he went and got his grandma...

And he rammed her down the gratin'...

But he didn't get his marley...

So he went an' got some dynamite...

And he blew up half of Belfast...

But he didn't get his marley...

It was in his trouser pocket!...
---------------------------------


BTW, a marley is a marble and a gratin', well, is a gratin' over a storm pipe. I've suspected this was a little bothersome to grandmas and dog lovers, as well as to some factions in North Ireland, probably.
(Comments are from the website where I found the lyrics, not from me. The same thought came to me, though - would mothers be upset if I sang this to their children? -Joe Offer-)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Wee Willie's Lost His Marley
From: DMcG
Date: 16 Oct 02 - 02:17 PM

I know this as "Geordie's lost his Penker" and the last line was "Doon the Double Raa" - a double row being a village consisting of one row of houses on either side of the road and not much else. Once again, the offending mysterious object is a marble (which was in his bloody pocket)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Wee Willie's Lost His Marley
From: weerover
Date: 16 Oct 02 - 02:20 PM

Glasgow version: Wee Johnny's lost his jaurie


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Subject: Lyr Add: Wee Willie's Lost His Marley
From: Joe Offer
Date: 16 Oct 02 - 02:28 PM

OK, so here are the lyrics, as sung by the charming and erudite Seamus Kennedy... (?)
-Joe Offer-


WEE WILLIE'S LOST HIS MARLEY (Trad.)

Wee Willie's lost his marley*,
wee Willie's lost his marley,
Wee Willie's lost his marley,
down the Springfield Road.

Oh, he lost it down a gratin,*
he lost it down a gratin',
He lost it down a gratin',
down the Springfield Road.

So he went and got a clothespole*,
he went and got a clothespole,
He went and got a clothespole,
down the Springfield Road.

And he shoved it down the gratin',
he shoved it down the gratin',
He shoved it down the gratin',
down the Springfield Road.

But he didn't get his marley,
he didn't get his marley,
He didn't get his marley,
down the Springfield Road.

So he went and got his brother,
he went and got his brother,
He went and got his brother,
down the Springfield Road.

And he shoved him down the gratin', etc.
But he didn't get his marley, etc.

So he went and got a peeler*,
he went and got a peeler,
He went and got a peeler,
down the Springfield Road.

And he shoved him down the gratin', etc.
But he didn't get his marley, etc.

So he went and got some dynamite, he went and
got some dynamite,
He went and got some dynamite, down the
Springfield Road.

And he shoved it down the gratin', etc.

And he blew up the gratin', he blew up the gratin',
He blew up the gratin', and half of the Springfield
Road.

Now wee Willie's got his marley, wee Willie's got his marley,
Wee Willie's got his marley, down the Springfield Road.,

Cause he found it in his pocket, he found it in his pocket,
He found it in his pocket, down the Springfield Road.


Marley - marble; Springfield Road - district in Belfast;
Clothespole- long pole to prevent clotheslines from sagging;
Gratin' - grating or storm-drain; Peeler - policeman


Ah, that Seamus is an inspiration to us all.
I wonder, though, why he thought he had to explain what a clothespole is...


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Wee Willie's Lost His Marley
From: DMcG
Date: 16 Oct 02 - 02:36 PM

More to the point, why did he need to explain 'peeler' when it isn't even in the song?
Ah, you're sharp, DMcG. Seamus sings the peeler verse, but left it off the CD notes. I added the verse to the lyrics above.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Wee Willie's Lost His Marley
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 16 Oct 02 - 04:29 PM

Boy, you guys are sharp! I need to proofread my own CD notes.
Dammit Jim, I'm a musician, not an editor, as Dr. McCoy might have said
There is a Scottish/Glasgow version on Alex Beaton's children's CD - Kidding Around.Wee Jimmy's Lost His Jarie, with Glesca terms.
E.g. Stankie - Gratin'; Broomielaw - Springfield Rd.; Stretcher - Clothespole; Polis - Peeler; Jarie - Marley.
For info on Alex's other fine recordings, here's his website.
www.alexbeaton.com, or e-mail glenfinnan@earthlink.net.

All the best.

Seamus


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Wee Willie's Lost His Marley
From: GUEST,rugger hugger
Date: 16 Oct 02 - 07:31 PM

Then there's the alternative song:
Wee Marley's Lost His Willie

Could be a rugby song, no?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Wee Willie's Lost His Marley
From: JedMarum
Date: 16 Oct 02 - 08:59 PM

... and great song as sung by Mr Kennedy, too I might add!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Wee Willie's Lost His Marley
From: alison
Date: 16 Oct 02 - 09:15 PM

and another version from Belfast..... lovely memories of singing this on the bus for on sunday School excursions to Newcastle.....

WEE WILLIE'S LOST HIS MARLEY (Trad.)

Wee Willie's lost his marley*,
wee Willie's lost his marley,
Wee Willie's lost his marley,
down the Shankhill Road.

Oh, he lost it down a gratin,*

So he went and got a big stick

And he rammed it down the gratin',

But he didn't get his marley,

So he went and got his brother,

and he tied him to the big stick

And he rammed them down the gratin',

But he didn't get his marley, etc.

So he went and got a wee dog,

and he tied it to the big stick

And he rammed them down the gratin',

But he didn't get his marley, etc.

So he went and got some dynamite,

And he rammed it down the gratin', etc.

And he blew up all the houses,

Now wee Willie's found his marley,

It was in his trouser pocket,

wee willie's very stupid


slainte

alison


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Wee Willie's Lost His Marley
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 17 Oct 02 - 12:59 AM

Joe, the reason I defined a clothespole is because once I was doing the song in an elementary school, and I asked if anyone knew what a clothespole was, and a teacher, not a kid, a teacher said it was another name for a scarecrow. Well, I didn't correct her in front of the kids, but I explained what a clothespole was in Belfast, and sang the song.
Jed, thanks for trying to give me credit, but I never sang Wee Marley's Lost His Willie! Was it wee Jacob, or wee Bob...hhmmm?
Alison, another fine version.
I think every street in every town in Ireland, Scotland and England has a version of this one.

All the best.

Seamus


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Wee Willie's Lost His Marley
From: Joe Offer
Date: 17 Oct 02 - 02:33 AM

I know, Seamus. The fact is, you and I are of an age that we remember clothespoles. Your need to explain the meaning of the word was a painful reminder that the tread on my tires is wearing a bit thin....

-Joe Offer, born in the age of clothespoles-


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Wee Willie's Lost His Marley
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 17 Oct 02 - 03:28 AM

A lineprop, as we say back home!

Steve


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Wee Willie's Lost His Marley
From: Bert
Date: 17 Oct 02 - 03:33 AM

A lineprop, that sounds more like a rugby player!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Wee Willie's Lost His Marley
From: Fibula Mattock
Date: 17 Oct 02 - 03:37 AM

Y'mean, people don't use clothespoles any more? Well, they still do in Norn Irln, so yer not that ould Joe!

I like this song - it was one of the ones on bus trips, like alison said, that could go on for ages, along with "Ah ma, will ye buy me a banana" and "Stop the bus I want a wee wee (cos the people in the back can't swim)", and the one that only people from my hole-in-the-hedge seemed to know "The boat was leaving Belfast".


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Wee Willie's Lost His Marley
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 17 Oct 02 - 06:08 AM

Definition of a clothespole was not as common as expected, as most washing lines don't require them. The standard in Cardiff used to be a tall line post at one end of the garden, with a pulley at the top (say 15ft) and a cleat(tying off point) at about 5ft. The other end of the top line was either tied off to a cleat on the house wall, or passed though a pulley attached to the wall, to be tied off to a cleat at about 5ft. By lowering the line (from either end if with 2 pulleys) the line could be loaded or unloaded, and then raised to catch the most of the sun and wind at a height where shade fro walls or houses was less of a problem.
On very windy days, there was also a lower line at about 5ft6in. which was secured at both ends. As long as this was stretched taut, there was no nead for a clothesprop to raise the middle of the line.

These days the definition is needed because of the proliferation of 'rotary' clothes lines.

Nigel


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Wee Willie's Lost His Marley
From: GUEST,Philippa
Date: 17 Oct 02 - 05:18 PM

and the Belfast version I learned was "at the bottom of the Springfield Road"!


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Subject: Lyr Req: Geordie's lost his penka (or similar)
From: GUEST,Dave Forshaw
Date: 09 Feb 03 - 09:00 AM

Hi there folks, I have a couple of versions of this one already, but would like to see what anyone else may have.
Messages from multiple threads combined. This message and the ones below are from a new thread.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Geordie's lost his penka (or similar)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 Feb 03 - 09:32 AM

I heard this.
Geordy's lost his plinker,(rpt 3 time)
Doon the dogle draw(?)


He dropped it doon the pindy

So he went to fetc a hay rake

And he shoved it doon the pindy

But the hay rake wouldnae fetch it

then various other items are tried, incuding a claysprop

it finished
Geordies found his plinker,
In his pocket all the time.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Geordie's lost his penka (or similar)
From: *#1 PEASANT*
Date: 09 Feb 03 - 10:16 AM

I remember that there might be one on my beuk of newcasel sangs
via
http://www.cbladey.com
then select reference pages
then newcastle songs...

Conrad


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Geordie's lost his penka (or similar)
From: GUEST,MCP
Date: 09 Feb 03 - 11:20 AM

It's in the DT as Geordie's Penker (browse DT lyrics for letter G, you'll find it quickly).

Mick


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Subject: RE: Add: Wee Willie's Lost His Marley/Geordie's Penker
From: Cluin
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 11:13 AM

Wee Geordie's lost his pecker?

He rammed it up where?


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Subject: RE: Add: Wee Willie's Lost His Marley/Geordie's Penker
From: Schantieman
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 12:00 PM

I thought the double row (how wise not to attempt the accent!) was a double row of houses, nearly back to back but with a gutter (complete with gratings) running between them. ???

S


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Subject: RE: Add: Wee Willie's Lost His Marley/Geordie's Penker
From: Jim Colbert
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 12:11 PM

Don Maclean, the american pie guy, did this (the geordie version) on his live album from the 70's, if anyone give a rat's ass...

jim


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Subject: RE: Add: Wee Willie's Lost His Marley/Geordie's Penker
From: bill\sables
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 12:26 PM

A double row was indeed a double row of colliery houses with the back of the one street facing the back of the other. No one ever used the front doors except for carrying coffins out. The Cundy is a covered drain down the middle of the street. If you had a cundie in your street you were "Posh" as most of the older Durham colliery streets had no drainage whatsoever.
Chers Bill


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Subject: RE: Add: Wee Willie's Lost His Marley/Geordie's Penker
From: Joe Offer
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 03:34 PM

Yes, I give a rat's ass, Jim. I was wondering where I had heard this song before I heard it from Seamus. Any idea if it's on a McLean CD, and what name he used for a title for the song?
Don McLean did a nice job on a number of traditional songs, and on a number of the "old chestnuts" from 1920-1950.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Add: Wee Willie's Lost His Marley/Geordie's Penker
From: davidkiddnet
Date: 14 May 04 - 05:21 PM

Where is the midi file of the tune to Geordie's Penker/ Willie's Marley ?
On 28 Aug 00 MMario wrote "In The Mudcat Shop:1280) GEORDIE'S PENKER - midi sent by malcolm 8/20". Then on 18 Nov 00 Alan of Australia wrote: "The following tunes are now available at the Mudcat MIDI site. Sequenced by Malcolm Douglas, with lyrics embedded:Geordie's Penker".And on 04 Nov 02 MMario referred to "1431 GORDPENK GEORDIE'S PENKER -midi sent by Malcolm"
GEORDIE'S PENKER lyrics are indeed in the DT
(click here) but they have NO midi file attached.
So where is the midi file of the tune? It's not under Gordpenk Geordie or Geordy.
Nor is it under Wallie, Johnny, marley, jaurie, penker, pinker, plinker, plenker or plonker.
I just want to compare Malcom Douglas' version with my tune. If his tune doesn't appear soon I will submit my own midi file. Then you'll be sorry.
    Hi, David - the Geordie MIDI was missing. I posted a copy, so everything should be fine now. Click to play
    -Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Add: Wee Willie's Lost His Marley/Geordie's Penker
From: davidkiddnet
Date: 14 May 04 - 05:34 PM

On 16 Oct 02 under Lyr Add: Wee Willie's Lost His Marley, (click here) Joe Offer wrote "If I'm not mistaken, the tune is almost the same as the chorus of… WHENIYNG.MID"When I Was Young
We all agree Geordie's Penker is the same song as Willie's Marley. So I'd like to compare WHENIYNG.MID to GEORDIE'S PENKER. However there is NO midi file for Geordie on Mudcat. although many claim there is.
Has GORDPENK.MID dropped doon a stank? Where is yon midi file laddie? Ye say ye dropped it down whar? Have ye no got it in yure pocket? Haud your tung laddie, ure A'm gin tae fetch the Polis!


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Subject: RE: Add: Wee Willie's Lost His Marley/Geordie's Penker
From: Menolly
Date: 14 May 04 - 05:48 PM

I always thought the "Double Ra" was back to back houses, no gap between, they have front doors but no back doors because the backs of the houses are shared! Tiny places! I have a friend who lives in one!


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Subject: RE: Add: Wee Willie's Lost His Marley/Geordie's Penker
From: davidkiddnet
Date: 14 May 04 - 06:07 PM

I'm sorry I think I got the wrong tune (click here) Joe Offer relly wrote "If I'm not mistaken, the tune is almost the same as the chorus of Keep That Wheel A-Turnin'.= WHENIYNG.MID
CLICK TO PLAY
We all agree Geordie's Penker is the same song as Willie's Marley. So I'd like to compare WHENIYNG.MID to GEORDIE'S PENKER. However there is NO midi file for Geordie on Mudcat. although many claim there is.
Has GORDPENK.MID dropped doon a stank? Where is yon midi file laddie? Ye say ye dropped it down whar? Have ye no got it in yure pocket? Haud your tung laddie, ure A'm gin tae fetch the Polis!


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Subject: RE: Add: Wee Willie's Lost His Marley/Geordie's Penker
From: GUEST
Date: 14 May 04 - 06:46 PM

waa wee (little)Geordie lost his plinker (plinka) doon the double raa (double row)
Plinka = marble double row = the alley between the double row of terraced houses

lost it down the cundy (drain)

Geordie language is very difficult to spernounce and spell ;-)


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Subject: RE: Add: Wee Willie's Lost His Marley/Geordie's Penker
From: davidkiddnet
Date: 14 May 04 - 06:57 PM

My American wife was listening when I played WHENIYNG.MIDCLICK TO PLAY and she said "That's the tune of 'Jimmy crack corn and I don't care', you know 'to brush away the bluetail fly'".
Yes I agree: Jimmy crack corn is obviously from the same root. And since the chorus of WHENIYNG is the tune of "Willie/Johnny/Geordy lost his marley/jaurie/plonker" we can sing that to it too:
Whenever we hear Yankees singing "Jimmy crack corn and I don't care" we can now confidently bellow over the top "Wee Johnny's lost his jaurie" (or "Geordy's lost his plonker" or "Wee Willie lost his marley" etc). The scansion, or whatever you call it, the word-rhythm you know, is a bit of a struggle:

Jimmy crack corn and I don't care, my master's gone   a-way
Wee John-ny's   lost his jau--r--ie,      doon the Broomie-law


Another similarity is that both songs are the story of a poor boy who is careless of the damage that befalls grown-ups as long as he's got that spherical thing he enjoys.

Jimmy crack corn and I don't care, my master's gone a-way
John-ny's lost his jau--r--ie,      doon the Broomie-law


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Subject: RE: Add: Wee Willie's Lost His Marley/Geordie's Penker
From: GUEST,Anne Croucher
Date: 14 May 04 - 09:22 PM

I think it is a planchette - and it is lost down a conduit - a drain.

I sing a version where he gets a broom stick, a clothes prop, our terrier, and lastly gunpowder, the result of the first three - still he could na faish it, the latter results in the destruction of the street - he's blaed down all the housen.

Drains - or rather, sewers tend to explode rather spectacularly - there were drain explosions in various places, and I think there was a particularly impressive one in Manchester (England)- someone took a photograph of it for the papers.

Anne


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Subject: RE: Add: Wee Willie's Lost His Marley/Geordie's Penker
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 14 May 04 - 09:34 PM

I really don't know what happened to the midi file I evidently sent in nearly 4 years ago. There have been various re-organisations here since then, and the old links will no longer work, I expect. Nor, just at present, can I find a local copy. It was very simple, though; "sequenced" is a misleading term. No arrangement, just a melody line, and in 2000 that will have been by ear and from memory I should think. The tune is a very common one. I've known it most of my life, though to begin with as In and out the Windows. The same tune was used for the chorus of Keep that Wheel a-Turning; the verse tune of which was also taken from a widely-known children's singing game.


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Subject: RE: Add: Wee Willie's Lost His Marley/Geordie's Penker
From: wigan
Date: 16 May 04 - 12:42 PM

common tune for this is turn and face your lover


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Subject: RE: Add: Wee Willie's Lost His Marley/Geordie's Penker
From: MMario
Date: 20 May 04 - 10:04 AM

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Subject: RE: Add: Wee Willie's Lost His Marley/Geordie's Penker
From: Flash Company
Date: 20 May 04 - 11:02 AM

A country divided by dialects! I remember once doing this and translating into BBC English at the end of each verse :-

Wor Geordie's lost his penker (Little George has lost his marble!)
It raaled reet doon th' cundy (It rolled right down the drain)
ending with:-

It was in his bluddy pockat! (I think you all understand that line!)

FC


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Subject: RE: Add: Wee Willie's Lost His Marley/Geordie's Penker
From: Amos
Date: 20 May 04 - 01:22 PM

Merveilleux!!

A


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Subject: RE: Add: Wee Willie's Lost His Marley/Geordie's Penker
From: davidkiddnet
Date: 20 May 04 - 05:15 PM

re Wigan on 16 May "common tune for this is 'Turn and Face your Lover'"

Where did you find out about the ancient root of this tune? Was it in
a Claude Simpson book? Peter Kennedy? An A.L. Lloyd? Or one of Cecil Sharp's countless books?
Lovely books, expensive but fortunately they have them at my public library.


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Subject: RE: Add: Wee Willie's Lost His Marley/Geordie's Penker
From: GUEST,Ac/Dc
Date: 29 Oct 04 - 12:06 PM

has anyone heard Wor Geordie's Lost His Ligie by Brian Johnson of AC/DC


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Subject: RE: Add: Wee Willie's Lost His Marley/Geordie's Penker
From: Tradsinger
Date: 29 Oct 04 - 01:23 PM

It's not just a north country song. Bob Cann from Devon used to sing "Johnny's lost his marble" with the same story. Or perhaps he adapted it from the northern version(S)?

Gwilym


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Subject: RE: Add: Wee Willie's Lost His Marley/Geordie's Penker
From: GUEST,Unknown
Date: 05 Jul 06 - 02:28 AM

I've got Johnny's Lost his marble doen the drainpipe and uses a selection of items to get it back including a dog, a police man and a rake. He finds his marble in his pocket.


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Subject: RE: Add: Wee Willie's Lost His Marley/Geordie's Penker
From: JamesHenry
Date: 05 Jul 06 - 03:47 AM

Hello everyone. I'm new to the forum and look forward to contributing to the debate here on Mudcat.

I always knew this song as "Wor Geordie's Lost His Plenker" and associated it to the mining tradition of N.E. England. Interesting, therefore, to read that there are so many regional variations. The clothespole was always referred to as a "clothes-prop" in our house and was used to hoist the washing higher to catch the wind.


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Subject: RE: Add: Wee Willie's Lost His Marley/Geordie's Penker
From: Mo the caller
Date: 05 Jul 06 - 05:12 AM

Welcome.
Londoners have clothes-props too (well, maybe they all have tumble driers nowadays).


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Subject: RE: Add: Wee Willie's Lost His Marley/Geordie's Penker
From: Anne Lister
Date: 05 Jul 06 - 04:02 PM

I remember hearing this years ago (I mean, really YEARS ago) at a folk club somewhere and have performed it since to many school children. I always hold my breath and cross my fingers when I ask them to guess what a penker is and just what Willie has done with it ...but usually they're too busy giggling at the mere thought of a child called Willie.

Anne


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Subject: RE: Origins: Wee Willie's Lost His Marley
From: Geordie1965
Date: 10 Oct 06 - 08:57 AM

Hi Folks,

The origins of "The Double Raa" is taken from the streets named High Row and Low Row in Lemington upon Tyne. Once commonly known to natives of Newcastle upon Tyne as "The Double Raa" and used in "Wor Geordie's Lost His Penka".

Wor = Our
Penka / Penker = Marble
Cundy = Road Gulley / Drain Grating / Soakaway / Drain
Claithes Prop = Clothes / Line prop.
Pollis = Policeman / Copper / Peeler


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Subject: RE: Origins: Wee Willie's Lost His Marley
From: Tradsinger
Date: 11 Oct 06 - 06:02 AM

Before everyone gets excited about it being a North country song, let me add that Bob Cann of Dartmoor used to sing a version called "Johnny's lost his marble".

Tradsinger


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Subject: RE: Add: Wee Willie's Lost His Marley/Geordie's Penker
From: Mr Happy
Date: 03 Dec 07 - 11:42 AM

Anyone point me to the dots [& words] for 'In and out the windows'?


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Subject: RE: Add: Wee Willie's Lost His Marley/Geordie's Pe
From: Sorcha
Date: 03 Dec 07 - 07:04 PM

Mr Happy, see MMario's post of 20 May,04 10:04 this thread for the ABC of the tune and a click to play MIDI. Haven't found words yet.


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Subject: LYR ADD: IN AND OUT THE WINDOWS
From: Sorcha
Date: 03 Dec 07 - 07:14 PM

I didn't find them here, but here is what I did find:


In and out the windows

The children joined hands to form a circle, then they raised their arms to form the 'windows'. A child was chosen by mutual consent to weave in and out the windows as the children sang the first verse of the rhyme,

In and out the windows
In and out the windows
In and out the windows
As you have done before.

As they sang the second verse of the rhyme, the chosen child stopped in front of one of the players, who became the playmate,

Stand and face your playmate
Stand and face your playmate
Stand and face your playmate
As you have done before.

When the third verse was sung, the two children joined hands and danced round together in the circle,

Join hands with your playmate
Join hands with your playmate
Join hands with your playmate
As you have done before.

Another child was chosen to start the game, and it was usually continued until all had been given a turn.

Take her off to London
Take her off to London
Take her off to London
As you have done before.

(Could this originate from elopements?)

http://www.mkheritage.co.uk/sga/games/choosing-games.html

I'm pretty sure the 'original' word was lover...not playmate. Changed to fit an age level.


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Subject: RE: Add: Wee Willie's Lost His Marley/Geordie's Pe
From: Sorcha
Date: 03 Dec 07 - 08:36 PM

Is this what you wanted, Happy?


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Subject: RE: Add: Wee Willie's Lost His Marley/Geordie's Penker
From: Joe Offer
Date: 04 Oct 18 - 11:53 PM

I'm trying to find songs that are sung to this tune. People above listed "William Brown (Keep that Wheel A-Turning)" and "Go In and Out the Window." Any others?

Seamus Kennedy recording:

Tommy Makem:


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Subject: RE: Add: Wee Willie's Lost His Marley/Geordie's Penker
From: GUEST,jim bainbridge
Date: 06 Oct 18 - 01:00 PM

Lucky Luckhurst (London wartime evacuee & Swindon folk club resident- sadly RIP -he sang a non-PC set of words titled 'Just Six Months' which I could copy here but feel I may have altered it quite a bit over the years.
There was a cassette about 20 plus yrs ago- fine singer of Cockney songs- much admired by John Foreman!

It goes down well at events here in Fermanagh...


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Subject: RE: Add: Wee Willie's Lost His Marley/Geordie's Penker
From: Joe Offer
Date: 06 Oct 18 - 07:32 PM

Go for it, Jim - I'd like to see the lyrics.
Oh, Jim Bainbridge, did you see the request for lyrics for Helping the Police with their Enquiries?

-Joe-


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