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MUDCAT CD IX: Songs of Cerulean Hours!

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Subject: MUDCAT CD IX: Songs of Cerulean Hours!
From: Amos
Date: 18 Oct 02 - 03:13 PM

Joe seemed it would be all right if I created a new thread in this series under the justification of literary merit, and we have reached a Great Dividse in the phases of this project, so here you are best belovéd folkies.

I am happy to report that I am listening to the very first Mudcat Compilation prototype master CD as I write. It is absolutely great, especially with the volume turned up high!! HArvey, Rick, Kendall, Justapicker and a score of others just shiver my timbers, I'll tell ya!

Here is where we stand int he project, then. There will be five or six disks in the series. Their working names are:

Mudcat CD - Orchid
Mudcat CD - Plum
Mudcat CD - Rose
Mudcat CD - Strawberry
Mudcat CD - Violet
Mudcat CD - Aqua

There is no significance to the names except to identify the separate disks. They have no special sequence, no prioritization of importance between them, and no special categories to them. They are just five or six CDs representing the incredible talent that haunts these threads from all over the planet.

(This is intentional so people don't whine about which disk they are on!:>))

I have some minor tweaking to do before I can declare the first CD master ready. Then it is a matter of shuffling and assembling the others, one at a time, putting each one to bed with a locally burned master.

This is a matter of juggling different kinds, qualities and types of material trying to compose from the various songs a smooth-flowing series on each disk.

Pene Azul, the Silent Hero of All Things Mudcat, has offered to look into and debug the dialog regarding logistics and production methods that Max and Dick were reported to be having.

I will provide the program listings to the artwork crew shortly for the first disk, so they can finish the inserts for it. As the others are mapped out and mastered, I'll provide listings and notes for each cut on each disk.

The mechanics of sleeve literature has to be ironed out, but it depends on how we produce 'em. Full jewel cases are slightly more expensive than the thin flat sleeves for CDs but then how do you do the written material? All in due course, naturally.

I just wanted you all to know that having the first prototype master burned is a major mielstone and I am very happy with the results so far.

BTW, the sound on a CD player is much better than the same disk being played through a computer with excellent speakers. Anyone got insights as to why?

SO there ya go!! We roll on from dawn into bright blue sunlit morning skies on the peculiar life-cycle of this project, which began, believeit or not, only last March as a glimmer of an idea in a thread, and has gathered inertia since then! Hopefully, we'll poull outta town at High Noon just like Gary Cooper! (Or was that Jimmy Stewart? One of those folkie types, anyway....)

Fond regards,

A


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Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD IX: Songs of Cerulean Hours!
From: michaelr
Date: 18 Oct 02 - 03:22 PM

Yay! Great news, Amos!!

I can't wait...

Michael


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Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD IX: Songs of Cerulean Hours!
From: Áine
Date: 18 Oct 02 - 05:15 PM

Well, I got a call from Amos himself this afternoon, and I gotta figure that this CD is pretty dang great, considering the excitement I heard in his voice -- and this is after all the hours of work he's put in on this project (all voluntary, I might remind everyone!). So, if you've sent in a musical creation to Amos, the Man Behind the Mudcat CD Curtain, then genuflect thrice daily that he's a man of his word, and realize that you are one lucky so-and-so! *BG*

And Amos, my dear BOTF, you got it in one when you said, 'Pene Azul, the Silent Hero of All Things Mudcat' -- he is all that and more!

Keep 'em pointed north, a stór, Áine


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Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD IX: Songs of Cerulean Hours!
From: Margaret V
Date: 18 Oct 02 - 05:48 PM

Wow, Amos, you are an amazing, diligent, unflappable music lover. Thank you so much for all your work on this! Looking forward with great anticipation to it all... Margaret


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Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD IX: Songs of Cerulean Hours!
From: Art Thieme
Date: 18 Oct 02 - 06:52 PM

Great going, Mr. Amos! I want to order the entire set ---sight unseen. Amazing and perfect timing. Just in time for Christmas. Truly, as cool as cool can be!

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD IX: Songs of Cerulean Hours!
From: Alice
Date: 18 Oct 02 - 07:00 PM

you da man, amos


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Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD IX: Songs of Cerulean Hours!
From: khandu
Date: 18 Oct 02 - 09:57 PM

Das ist goot, Amos!!!! Danke!

k


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Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD IX: Songs of Cerulean Hours!
From: Stephen L. Rich
Date: 19 Oct 02 - 01:34 AM

Well done, Amos. Let all 'Catters rise from the comfy mud in a standing ovation!!

Stephen L. Rich


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Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD IX: Songs of Cerulean Hours!
From: Stephen L. Rich
Date: 19 Oct 02 - 02:08 AM

Are they all coming out at one time? One at a time? Or is that still being worked out?


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Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD IX: Songs of Cerulean Hours!
From: greg stephens
Date: 19 Oct 02 - 02:46 AM

Christmas presents might be a bit optimistic timing wise. Didnt I spot a lurking thought about liner notes. I think Amos only got all the music contirbutions in, how about getting written words in from/about a hundred different Mudcatters?


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Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD IX: Songs of Cerulean Hours!
From: Amos
Date: 19 Oct 02 - 03:47 AM

Greg:

I certainly don't want to do that! I am putting some liner notes together for those songs I have data on. I'll get the rest by PM, won't add any time.

A


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Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD IX: Songs of Cerulean Hours!
From: greg stephens
Date: 19 Oct 02 - 03:49 AM

Good, Amos!! I was afraid you were landing yourself with another huge job.


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Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD IX: Songs of Cerulean Hours!
From: Llanfair
Date: 19 Oct 02 - 09:57 AM

Oh well done, Amos, I am so looking forward to hearing this epic work. Thank you so much!!
Cheers, Bron.


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Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD IX: Songs of Cerulean Hours!
From: harpmaker
Date: 19 Oct 02 - 10:17 AM

We and lots of our friends are looking foreward to this. (Hull, Beverley/UK) Well done Amos, Regards, John&Christine.


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Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD IX: Songs of Cerulean Hours!
From: wysiwyg
Date: 19 Oct 02 - 10:18 AM

Liner notes??!!?? Hey-- JUST POST THEM. That's what threads are for!

Is the whole set to be done by Christmas, or will it be one at a time over a longer period of time?

~Susan


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Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD IX: Songs of Cerulean Hours!
From: Amos
Date: 19 Oct 02 - 11:31 AM

Well, for my part, I intend to have the master series burned by Thanksgiving; so if the management stirs brightly, we might be able to ship them for Xmas gifts.

I would like that very much! I have a few otherprojects to move on when this is done. I want to assemble a CD of songs from the Mudcat Songbook, Challenge threads, etc. And I have a long-ago promise to record all the songs I know, for family members. And oh, yes, that darned book....and...

I am just now assembling the "Plum" CD and it is Plum loverly, pardon the expression.

Susan, as usual your brilliance cuts through the fog.

I think the earlier thread shows all the preferred cuts, except for a few later arrivals.

MUSICIANS: If there are any comments on provenance, arrangement, circumstances, aestthetics, idiosyncracies, naughty bits, or subtle overtones that you want added to your songs, please post them here, or PM me or email me with them, ok??

ALSO: Performers are going to have to be responsible for assuring me their songs are either Traditional, Written by Singer, Personally Permitted by Author, or otherwise free from encumbrance as regards permission. I have PMd a few of you about questions on this point and am adding a field to the local database to make sure we know we are covered on all cuts. Like Band-aids, man.

More news as it happens!


Very best,


A


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Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD IX: Songs of Cerulean Hours!
From: wysiwyg
Date: 19 Oct 02 - 11:37 AM

A new thread JUST for liner notes, so people who wish to can print it out to give along with the CDs if they give them to people who don't live here 24/7. Let the people post their own notes there, links to websitres, and so forth. You would start it with an explanation for the non-Mudcat-habituated public on how the project came to be, and how the CDs are a fundraiser and not to be copied.

~Susan


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Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD IX: Songs of Cerulean Hours!
From: Amos
Date: 19 Oct 02 - 12:16 PM

Wodda concept. You sure do think outside the ole box, huh? Lemme chew on that for a bit, ok? You're just too fast for me, as usual!! LOL!

I have written up the logistics issues to Max with copies to Dick and jeff today so we will get that moving.

A


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Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD IX: Songs of Cerulean Hours!
From: Mudlark
Date: 19 Oct 02 - 03:04 PM

Amos...if this be inertia, than damn, I WANT some! Way to go, Mr. Music and thanks for dedication above and beyond the call.


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Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD IX: Songs of Cerulean Hours!
From: Stephen L. Rich
Date: 19 Oct 02 - 05:11 PM

Amos, could you --- Please, please,please, PLEEEEZZZ -- give us a small hint as who's going to be on the "Plum"CD? I, for one, have only heard the music of thre or four other 'catters. I'm surely not alone in wondering what some of the others sound like.


Stephen Lee Rich


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Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD IX: Songs of Cerulean Hours!
From: MMario
Date: 19 Oct 02 - 06:38 PM

way to go Amos! A bright spot in my weekend!


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Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD IX: Songs of Cerulean Hours!
From: Susan from California
Date: 21 Oct 02 - 12:13 PM

This is exciting news. I can hardly wait to hear everybody. If the talent I heard at the Balboa Park Jam in late Sept is indicative, we are all in for one heck of a treat!

Great idea on liner notes Susan!

Sue


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Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD IX: Songs of Cerulean Hours!
From: UB Ed
Date: 21 Oct 02 - 04:10 PM

We're all ears, Amos...


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Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD IX: Songs of Cerulean Hours!
From: Amos
Date: 21 Oct 02 - 05:40 PM

Well, Orchid, Plum, what difference does it make whose on which flower -- it's just some way to get all the cuts onto one or another disk. Let's not start with which one is which -- if I could I'd put them all on one CD and built in an automatic sequence scrambling routine so it would be in random order! :>)

When I have all the disks defined I'll publish the whole list of disks in aphabetical order with the proposed tunes. OK? Won't be much longer.

Meanwhile, if you have a song on one of 'em -- just check that you either wrote it, or that the author is a friend who is happy to let you use it OR that is actually a Trad tune -- one way or another, not at risk of copyright issues, okay? We may hate the state of affairs in the copyright arena, but right now we gotta live with it and I am unwilling to put the Cat in any risk after busting my but to help it thrive, if you see what I mean! Thanks very, very much for all your help!


A


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Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD IX: Songs of Cerulean Hours!
From: harpmaker
Date: 21 Oct 02 - 06:13 PM

Yes, maybe we should let it run its course for a while, and be patient. Its allways the finnishing off jobs that take the time-dotting the I's & crossing the T's. Pressure is off from our camp Amos.


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Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD IX: Songs of Cerulean Hours!
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Oct 02 - 07:34 PM

Thanks, HM -- I didn't mean to sound testy. I'm just not wanting to particpate in a status game amongst all my friends who sing.
I didn't take the task on in order to be an umpire or somepn!! :>)

A


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Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD IX: Songs of Cerulean Hours!
From: Amos
Date: 21 Oct 02 - 08:44 PM

Whoops -- that was me. Sorry for posing as an anonymous Guest!! :>)

A


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Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD IX: Songs of Cerulean Hours!
From: Genie
Date: 21 Oct 02 - 09:49 PM

Amos, you're inviting Mudcatters to post their "naughty bits" here int he forum? click

¤;-)

BTW, how do we know which cut you're gonna put on the CD if we sent you a tape or CD with several songs on it? I'll be glad to post lyrics and other liner notes in an appropriate thread if/when I know which song you chose.

Genie


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Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD IX: Songs of Cerulean Hours!
From: khandu
Date: 21 Oct 02 - 10:02 PM

Hmmm... yes, I think a "lyrics thread" would be a grand thing. Whenever Amos compiles a songlist for each colored CD, it would be great if each artist put the lyrics to his/her song on a thread for that particular colored CD.

k


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Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD IX: Songs of Cerulean Hours!
From: Amos
Date: 21 Oct 02 - 10:04 PM

Genie:

That's "comments on naughty bits", not the bits themselves, professor!! LOL!

That's if anyone wants to add some comments for the liner notes, one or two sentences per song. OK?

A


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Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD IX: Songs of Cerulean Hours!
From: Amos
Date: 21 Oct 02 - 11:09 PM

Khandu. et al:

Another brilliant stroke. I was mourning the fact that I wouldn't have one of them professional lyrics printouts inside each CD.

One thread per disk with a list of the included cuts at the top, then, with each artist prociding apost containing lyrics and any history or comments on each song they have on that disk?

I like this. What an amzing thing a group thought-storm is!!

I'll put them out one thread at a time as soon as I have confirmation the inclusions are all in the clear as regards permissions.

A


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Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD IX: Songs of Cerulean Hours!
From: Amos
Date: 22 Oct 02 - 07:55 PM

MUDCAT CD CONTRIBUTORS:

I have been plowing around trying to figure out what to do with the few cases where a song has been sent in (for the CD series) which is actually under copyright.

The situation appears to be very simple. You can go to BMI.com at http://www.bmi.com/licensing/ and learn about it, and from there go to Harry Fox to find out about royalties for the licensing which they can provide.

To have a licenseable song burned on a CD costs less than a dime. They charge two bucks for the paperwork. You can do it on line with a credit card. Information is here. This assumes 2500 or fewer copies being solld which I think is a safe bet in our case. They don't seem to have any special provisions for non-profits.

Anyway, if you have a song on the selection list which is covered by BMI and HFA would you take the time to scrape up $2.10 more or less and get HFA's approval to use it in the Mudcat CD series?

If you can't do this, and your song is not a genuine trad song, let me know, please and we'll try and handle it some way, ok?

I hate to dump this on you but I can't take this all on myself in the time it needs to get done in.

The good news is that Dick Greenhaus has offered to handle the logistics -- a real hero!! --at cost. Burning from master, copying and stuffing inserts, and shipping.   So that hurdle may well be out of the way.

I will try to get out a list of songs I am not completely certain of being traditional or written by the singer or already allowed by the known author personally.

We'll manage, don't worry.

I am open to suggestions about any other path through this issue. This is the one I have found so far. Anyone with more experience than I have in these matters, your help and.or wisdom will be welcome.

Best regards,


A


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Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD IX: Songs of Cerulean Hours!
From: Genie
Date: 22 Oct 02 - 08:07 PM

You can cut a CD of a copyright-protected song and print 2498 more copies for only $2.10? Surely, that can't be right. Can it?

Genie


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Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD IX: Songs of Cerulean Hours!
From: khandu
Date: 22 Oct 02 - 08:22 PM

Hmmmm... sounds more likely that it would be $.10 per CD. Amos??

k


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Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD IX: Songs of Cerulean Hours!
From: Amos
Date: 22 Oct 02 - 08:53 PM

Well, the wording implies not, but maybe they are being evasive. I did specify not for profit in the initial form. They don't state explicitly that it is per copy -- they say it is for the song. So I dunno. Anyone got some real track with these dudes?

A


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Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD IX: Songs of Cerulean Hours!
From: Tweed
Date: 22 Oct 02 - 09:06 PM

Amos, khandu's right. It is the statutory rate multiplied by the number of copies of the song. Hmmm....we may have a problem here.
2500 x .08...Boberdzr, whar iz thet West Ginny slide rule of yorn?
Here's a link to a FAQ page that shows an example down towards the bottom of the page.
*CLICK*


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Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD IX: Songs of Cerulean Hours!
From: Amos
Date: 22 Oct 02 - 09:34 PM

Right you are Tweed, man. Forty damn bucks for first run.

Hell with that noise. Tweed, would it be all right if I just dubbed in the word "aardvaark" everywhere you say "Rooster"?

Cancel the request above, folks. I was being unduly optimistic!! That's a nice way to say I was being incredibly naive. Musta been under one of them UFO attacks or sompn...

Or maybe, Tweed, you kin run over to that studio and cut the song again using Little Blue Aardvaark, and a few appropriately blue lines? Shanghai Monkey? One-eyed Pigfoot?

I'm sure we can think of something!!

Sheeshe.

A


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Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD IX: Songs of Cerulean Hours!
From: khandu
Date: 22 Oct 02 - 10:09 PM

Hey Tweed!

Do a hopped up version of Rye Whiskey, hell, you should know sumpthin' about that! And it is traditional!

k


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Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD IX: Songs of Cerulean Hours!
From: Amos
Date: 22 Oct 02 - 10:45 PM

Sent him a new blues lyric to the same tune -- L'il' Blue Aardvark Blues. Guaranteed to have the authors' permission!

:>)

A


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Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD IX: Songs of Cerulean Hours!
From: khandu
Date: 22 Oct 02 - 10:49 PM

This should be interesting! LOL

k


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Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD IX: Songs of Cerulean Hours!
From: Tweed
Date: 22 Oct 02 - 11:15 PM

LORD ALMIGHTY! I don't know if I could commit a sin like that against The Blues, fellas. I walk a fine line between heaven and hellfire as it is with the Bad Recordings.

Aardvarks an' Blues in the same sentence! Goddam, I'll figger out another way around this one but I'm greatful for the thought. I had a dream one night about two or three years ago where Robert Johnson came and jest stared me down, with a cigarette danglin' from his lip jus' like that pitcher of him,.... and then he said real low....

"Boy, if you ever mix aardvark's with the Blues there's gonna be real trouble an' I don't mean mebbe!"

You all can see an' appreciate my predicament. I got enough stones in my pathway without havin' ol'Bob after my ass! ;~)


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Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD IX: Songs of Cerulean Hours!
From: khandu
Date: 22 Oct 02 - 11:23 PM

"Consorting with aardvarks of a different faith will grant you disfavor in the eyes of THE MAN"!

Yes, Tweed, I understand your dilemma. (Did I spell dillema right?) I, too, have seen that look. It is a terrible thing.

But, now that I think of it...., R.J. didn't say anything about... possums!!!!

k


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Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD IX: Songs of Cerulean Hours!
From: Amos
Date: 23 Oct 02 - 01:20 AM

There ya go -- just change "blue aardvaark" to "hairless possum". The innendo will be just as cool. Ya gonna be a made man, Tweed me boy!! :>)

A


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Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD IX: Songs of Cerulean Hours!
From: Amos
Date: 23 Oct 02 - 09:01 PM

OK gang. We are gonna bite the bullet on this. We gotta!

I will be publishing a list sometime late this week of any songs I have not identified as clearly free of encumbrance. Namely: indisputably trad, public domain; written by singer; written by someone known to singer who has confirmed permission; or, already licensed for this purpose.

Lemme say that if I had the dough to spare I would shell any costs out on this as part of my own contirbution, but I do not. This leaves with the following options for any item not yet in the clear:

Choice 1. Remove it and replace it with a known trad or otherwise unencumbered song. This option must happen, if it is chosen, within a week of my getting out the list (if I already have an unencumbered alternative from you I will use it, so no worries there. If I don't have an alternate, it is up to you to send me one superquick if you want.)

Choice 2. Get permission from the author.

Choice 3. Pay for the license for the minimum run -- an outlay of about $42 bucks, if I estimate right.

Choice 4. Remove without replacing.

I will take care of (1) in any case where I have another option such as multiple songs fromt he same person.

Otherwise you will have to decide which of 2, 3 or 4 you want to exercise.

Bear in mind that in some cases, the arrangement is what a copyright is on, not the words, and in that case we can argue that this is your arrangement, assuming there are some substantialdifferences. So in some instances we'll find an out that way, eh?

I am open to advice and suggestion on this, guys. This are the choices as I see them. If you find a weasel hole that won't put anyone at risk, I'm all ears! :>)

More later after I have done a sort on those known to be in the clear or questionable.

Very best,


Amos


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Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD IX: Songs of Cerulean Hours!
From: Genie
Date: 24 Oct 02 - 01:24 AM

Gotcha, Amos. So scratch me doing "Stairway To Heaven" and substitute one of my own, OK? ;-D


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Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD IX: Songs of Cerulean Hours!
From: Amos
Date: 24 Oct 02 - 01:34 AM

Okay dokey!

Hey!! The GOOD news is I am listening to the master for Rose. Masters are now done for Plum, Orchid and Rose -- assuming I don't have to re-do them for permission issues. It (Rose) is beautiful. Just 'cuz there are these great and far-flung people whose fine voices and playing are coming in from all over the world.

Thanks for all your patience, it'll be worth it, I really do think!!!

A


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Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD IX: Songs of Cerulean Hours!
From: Barbara Shaw
Date: 24 Oct 02 - 08:50 AM

Amos, not sure what you're looking for in terms of "clearly free of encumbrance." The CD I sent you has 6 original songs which are "clearly free of encumbrance." The 4 with songwriters listed other than myself and Frank have been paid royalties by me for my own mechanical rights ($37.75 for 500 or fewer copies), and the 5 listed as traditional are ones I BELIEVE to be traditional based on a good effort at researching the titles. You are free to use any of my 6 originals on the Mudcat sampler, and I BELIEVE you can use those listed as traditional. The other 4 would need to be paid a royalty.

Since there was some discussion about which tracks you would use, it would probably be helpful to list them again before you finalize any of the "flowers."

You've really taken on a pretty big job, and we all thank you, thank you, and can't wait to hear some of it!


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Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD IX: Songs of Cerulean Hours!
From: Barbara Shaw
Date: 24 Oct 02 - 08:58 AM

One more thing: the royalty rate is now $.08 for each song, for a minimum of 500 copies, which would be $40 per song. At the time I did our licensing, the rate was $.0755 or $37.50 paid for each copyrighted song. Here's a link to the Harry Fox statutory royalty rate: http://www.nmpa.org/hfa/ratecurrent.html


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Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD IX: Songs of Cerulean Hours!
From: Barbara Shaw
Date: 24 Oct 02 - 09:01 AM

Sheesh, someone fix my math in the post above to say .0755 * 500 = $37.75!


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Subject: RE: MUDCAT CD IX: Songs of Cerulean Hours!
From: Amos
Date: 24 Oct 02 - 10:01 AM

Thanks, Barbara! I'll get a list out, I hope by this weekend. I think yours are in the clear. I don't have the lists here in my office.

Fox also charges $2.00 to process even an online license. For one point of view, it's little enough. But from another it is really a pain in the old zorch! :>)

The masters I have made can be re-done without much to-do if it turns out we cannot use something. We'll get this all sorted out shortly.

A


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