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Review: NPR's 'Traditions'

ballpienhammer 19 Oct 02 - 01:00 PM
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Subject: Review: NPR's 'Traditions'
From: ballpienhammer
Date: 19 Oct 02 - 01:00 PM

Regular listeners? Like? Don't Like? RSVP


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Subject: RE: Review: NPR's 'Traditions'
From: GUEST,in the dark
Date: 19 Oct 02 - 04:27 PM

WHIT*****??????


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Subject: RE: Review: NPR's 'Traditions'
From: Art Thieme
Date: 19 Oct 02 - 04:51 PM

Art is in the dark too. And I listen to NPR a ton.

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: Review: NPR's 'Traditions'
From: Stephen L. Rich
Date: 19 Oct 02 - 05:28 PM

More info, please. The program is not broadcast in Wisconsin, as far as I know.


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Subject: RE: Review: NPR's 'Traditions'
From: ballpienhammer
Date: 19 Oct 02 - 05:44 PM

Saturday nights out of WDC- WITF FM...Folk dj show....


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Subject: RE: Review: NPR's 'Traditions'
From: ballpienhammer
Date: 19 Oct 02 - 06:18 PM

here's the gospel: 90.0 FM WETA Washington, DC and 89.1 FM WETH Hagerstown,MD, 9:00 PM Sat evenings Eastern Time, Host: Mary Cliff.
www.traditions@weta.com; anyway, I was wondering how many of you
DelmarvaPa catters listen. I have tried but get a little impatient with her "ramblings". Jeezuz, just play some music!


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Subject: RE: Review: NPR's 'Traditions'
From: katlaughing
Date: 19 Oct 02 - 06:30 PM

They don't play on our NPR out here in Colorado, that I know of, but I did find this apge which tells about her and the program: please click here.

kat


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Subject: RE: Review: NPR's 'Traditions'
From: Stephen L. Rich
Date: 19 Oct 02 - 11:08 PM

kat,ballpien, thanks for the info.


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Subject: RE: Review: NPR's 'Traditions'
From: saulgoldie
Date: 20 Oct 02 - 01:33 PM

"Play some music" is *right*! And fewer (try none) long sets of dreary Irish dirges as several of my musically inclined friends who don't listen for that very reason have opined.

Sadly, this is the only show in town, literally, when it comes to folk music due to a)the very rude cancellation of the Lee Michael Dempsey show with nary a faint explanation from WAMU severel years ago; and b)a bonheaded decision by another local station that was bought out and decided that the very loyal (and $$ well-off!) folk audience was less interesting than the very fickle and unpredictable "commercial market" whatever *that* is.

It is good to have Traditions and Mary Cliff. I do listen often. But it could be better.


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Subject: RE: Review: NPR's 'Traditions'
From: Alice
Date: 20 Oct 02 - 01:48 PM

It's a misnomer that it is an NPR program. Not produced by National Public Radio (NPR).


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Subject: RE: Review: NPR's 'Traditions'
From: ballpienhammer
Date: 20 Oct 02 - 05:59 PM

sorry Alice, but if NPR doesn't monitor the shows they are airing, then they deserve the bad rap! This dj is abdominable, to say the least. Oh yeah, WGTY -107.7FM out of Gettysburg(my domicile) has a dam good bluegrass show on Sunday nights from 8-midnight.


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Subject: RE: Review: NPR's 'Traditions'
From: KathWestra
Date: 21 Oct 02 - 03:50 PM

Although I am not always a fan of the music I hear on "Traditions," I am a great fan of the program and of the woman who has supported live folk music in Washington through this show for nearly 30 years.



"Traditions" is a labor of love for which DJ Mary Cliff gets almost no support from WETA-FM. She does the show basically on her own time -- keeps her personal collection of records at home and schlepps it to the station every Saturday night, makes up a playlist to post on the station's website, answers phone calls from her listeners, announces EVERY performance she knows about (not just those of well-known singers and groups, or of big commercial venues), and generally puts in loads of time so that we can listen to folk music on public radio in DC. I have no doubt that if she weren't so persistent, if she weren't the shop steward for the station -- and the longest surviving staff member there -- WETA would long since have deep-sixed "Traditions" along with all the other good programming they've jettisoned over the years.



Sure, "Traditions" could be more traditional. (Although I'd personally vote for any number of "dreary" Irish traditional ballads over some of the truly wretched can't-write-poetry and can't-sing-in-tune performers/groups that appear with some frequency). Sure, Mary could ramble less. But it's Mary's program, and as I said, it is her personal effort that keeps it on the air. Rather than "review" the program, we ought to be supporting it -- at pledge time with our $$, and by thanking Mary for her efforts and making suggestions about what we'd like to hear.



As for me, I say three cheers to an intrepid woman who has stood up for alternative programming on a station that has long since gone the tedious way of endless news, talk, and "top 40" classical numbers for the rest of its programming. On Saturday nights, this NPR station belongs to real people.

Kathy, stepping off her soapbox


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Subject: RE: Review: NPR's 'Traditions'
From: Phil Cooper
Date: 21 Oct 02 - 04:02 PM

I agree with Kathy. Mary Cliff has always been supportive of folk music in general and not just the folk flavor of the month.


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Subject: RE: Review: NPR's 'Traditions'
From: KathWestra
Date: 22 Oct 02 - 10:09 AM

Hi Phil. Yes. For example, Mary is sure to give good publicity to a small house concert that Phil Cooper and Margaret Nelson will be doing at Mudcatter Judy Cook's house in Laurel, MD, on Saturday, November 2nd. It's because of Mary's help (the "rambling" announcements that some dislike)that the Folklore Society of Greater Washington is able to continue to generate audiences for its series of small concerts.


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Subject: RE: Review: NPR's 'Traditions'
From: Bill D
Date: 22 Oct 02 - 01:27 PM

Mary Cliff has been doing this for 25+ years, and by adapting, managing to keep the show going..she IS good, but she is on a station that barely tolerates her, and it HAS changed a lot in the last 10-15 years. The area also has Dick Spottswood doing old-timey and foreign music, and LOTS of daily/weekly bluegrass on another station, but Mary Cliff has a fine show, even if it has moved away from 'my' personal preferences.


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Subject: RE: Review: NPR's 'Traditions'
From: ballpienhammer
Date: 22 Oct 02 - 06:20 PM

to each his own...


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Subject: RE: Review: NPR's 'Traditions'
From: GUEST,cbladey@bcpl.net
Date: 23 Oct 02 - 12:12 PM

Greetings!

a great topic....
Mary Cliffe is a great person and long dedicated to the cause.
The program is a great source of information especially about local artists and concerts.

The trouble is that anouncements dominate the program. You listen for a while to music and then to a flood of anouncements that go on all night.
Another problem is that I find she is quite selective and will not play new materials which I have submitted to her over the years. Clearly we need to hear the range available in the new issues area.

Ok thats the critique here are the suggestions for change

1. Create a web page and put the anouncements there. Let people know the address and when it is updated. Anounce live only changes in that schedule. You can make an anouncement that ceretain bands are on the list but do it quick.

2. Create an e.mail list which can be used to send anouncements-this is free via http://www.yahoogroups.com

3. Create a postal mailing on a postcard. Have people send in blank cards to pay for postage etc....

4. Play everything submitted before playing people who just happen to have concerts on.

This should work.
People doing concerts know that last minute anouncements dont help much anyway. The information needs to go in early- no later than 30 days. As this is the reality we can all stop by a web page or join an e.mail list and get the same information.

A radio show focused on folk music is a great thing providing that when I put it on I get music or as in the style of Spottswood a commentary on the music. Actually however commentaries are also good on web pages.
That way we get more music.

I encourage Mary Cliffe to keep up the good work both on the show and in the community where she is one of the hardest working people in the business.

Conrad


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