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BS: Smoking cigarettes

53 23 Oct 02 - 07:06 PM
Leadfingers 23 Oct 02 - 07:15 PM
Little Hawk 23 Oct 02 - 07:59 PM
Bill D 23 Oct 02 - 08:57 PM
Gurney 24 Oct 02 - 05:21 AM
alanabit 24 Oct 02 - 06:23 AM
Mr Happy 24 Oct 02 - 08:36 AM
53 24 Oct 02 - 09:27 AM
JudeL 24 Oct 02 - 10:01 AM
53 24 Oct 02 - 11:37 AM
KJ 24 Oct 02 - 11:45 AM
JudeL 24 Oct 02 - 11:59 AM
annamill 24 Oct 02 - 12:20 PM

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Subject: RE: BS: Smoking cigarettes
From: 53
Date: 23 Oct 02 - 07:06 PM

Price is to high to smoke now.


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoking cigarettes
From: Leadfingers
Date: 23 Oct 02 - 07:15 PM

If God had meant us to smoke we'd have been built with chimneys


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoking cigarettes
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Oct 02 - 07:59 PM

Yeah! And if God had meant us to fart we'd have been born with...

No...wait a minute...

Forget it.

- LH


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoking cigarettes
From: Bill D
Date: 23 Oct 02 - 08:57 PM

can you imagine if smoking had NOT been started several hundred years ago and someone tried to introduce it now?

"Hey, I have a new product....you take this plant and chop the leaves off and dry them....then you roll them up inside a piece or paper and set fire to them and suck the smoke into your lungs! Wow! Try some!"

In the USA, the Food and Drug Administration would turn purple and stomp on this fast! Cigarettes would NEVER be allowed to go to open market! It is $$$ that keep this going, and I cannot see why, knowing what we do about the dangers, that it has been allowed to continue for 20-30 more years!

I suppose I should just be pleased that today, I can go to a restaurant or store or fly in an airplane and NOT be surrounded by smoke! It was not too long ago that I had to BEG for the right to NOT have smoke blown in my face.(One of the few things I ever threatened to hit someone over)

I grew up in a house full of smoke...both parents smoked, and my younger brother too it up just as early as he could get away with it.

I was NEVER even tempted, and have never taken a puff on a cigarette...why? *shrug*...just lucky in the genetic wiring, maybe...

I do hope all those who are trying to quit succeed...


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoking cigarettes
From: Gurney
Date: 24 Oct 02 - 05:21 AM

A few isolated points.
A good friend (smoker) died recently, mostly because of Emphysema. That she died at all is sad. That she gasped for breath for two years, and in the last year couldn't even walk the length of her home, was sadder.

My Mother-In-Law (smoker) died of Lung Cancer at 53.

I've had 3 workmates who gave up. Too late!

I smoked for 26 years, 15-40, then I got a pain in my chest that DIDN'T GO AWAY WHEN I STOPPED SMOKING! I was convinced that I had the big C. It wasn't, but that was warning enough. Haven't even WANTED a smoke in the last 21 years. Lucky, eh?

Never mind film stars, ATHLETES smoked when I was younger, Chris Chataway for one. He gave up, too.


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoking cigarettes
From: alanabit
Date: 24 Oct 02 - 06:23 AM

Yes - didn't Frank McLintock smoke during the half time break of one of Arsenal's Cup Finals? In some ways the world has changed for the better!


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoking cigarettes
From: Mr Happy
Date: 24 Oct 02 - 08:36 AM

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Subject: RE: BS: Smoking cigarettes
From: 53
Date: 24 Oct 02 - 09:27 AM

What is the price of a pack of cigarettes now?


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoking cigarettes
From: JudeL
Date: 24 Oct 02 - 10:01 AM

The price of a packet of cigarettes is a lot more than money, it's the effect on the quality of life of both the smoker and anyone who is around them, most of which the determined smoker refuses to believe. It is not just a case of what an individual choses to do to themselves but the impact of their choice may effectively remove choice from all around them. I am not being moralistic or holier than thou but I do resent not being able to enjoy amongst other things concerts that I have paid for because some self centered individual insistes on smoking and will not recognise that their "personal choice" affects others. Jude who now has asthma despite never having smoked cigarettes.


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoking cigarettes
From: 53
Date: 24 Oct 02 - 11:37 AM

Just think how much money you can save by quitting.


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoking cigarettes
From: KJ
Date: 24 Oct 02 - 11:45 AM

I'm a smoker & am sick of being treated like a leper. It seems the sins of the world are laid upon smokers shoulders. We cost the NHS an awful lot of money & are reckless with our health & well-being.
Well what about drinking? Misuse of alcohol costs the country just as much as smoking. Ever been in A & E on weekend nights? Many of the problems to be seen there are a result of drunkeness;drink driving can devastate people's lives;domestic violence is also linked with alcohol misuse & the effect on children of living with an alcoholic parent is also well-documented.Many organisations are involved in dealing with the problems caused by alcohol abuse such as the NHS, Police, Social Services,Law Courts...the list goes on & this all costs money. Yet drinking is still socially accepted, unlike smoking. It seems to me us smokers are being scapegoated.


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoking cigarettes
From: JudeL
Date: 24 Oct 02 - 11:59 AM

The point is that smokers are not just reckless with their own health but with those around them as well. Smoking has no redeeming health value even in small amounts. Alcohol has some value if not abused and taken to excess. For some people there is no such thing as moderation or just one drink and for them alcohol is dangerous and in those cases alcohol not only damages them but can damage those around them, no arguement . But your arguement is that all drinking is bad and that drinking at all should be seen as worse than smoking. But you have ignored the fact that there are some benefits to drinking in moderation , but if you look at the media it pillories out of control drinking even more than smoking.


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoking cigarettes
From: annamill
Date: 24 Oct 02 - 12:20 PM

Don't get me started on smoking..

I definitely have a drinking problem and I wish I could stop. The problem I have is I don't have any of the problems that KJ mentioned. I don't misuse alchohol. I just drink it. I don't drink during the day, even on weekends. I enjoy being sober too much. It's at night after a hard day at anything. When I get home from work, or I'm out for a drive. It doesn't matter. After 6pm to 8pm it's off to the fridge for my T+T (Tanqueray + Tonic). My husband is a non-drinker so
this makes it easier for me to drink. I don't have to worry about driving. He is extremely tolerant of my drinking because he used to be a really bad drunk. From morning to night. I met him him after he had quit. Actually, I think he sometimes enjoys it when I drink. You know that alcohol is a great un-inhibitor ;-)

I tried help. AAA is a religious organization and hearing other peoples problems just doesn't help me.

My personel experience tells me that if I want to badly enough, I will quit. Problem is, I'll never hit bottom because my drinking is too controlled. I haven't been feeling well lately and it has me worried. As I told my son (the smoker), drinking used to keep me alive, but now it's killing me and I need to stop.

I've tried but I keep coming back. Quiting smoking was much easier for me.

Just spouting... thanks for listening.

Love, Annamill


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