BS: King Jesse Ventura

Subject: BS: King Jesse Ventura
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Nov 02 - 11:08 AM

Posted on Mon, Nov. 04, 2002   

Ventura to announce Senate appointment at 10 a.m.

Gov. Jesse Ventura will announce his appointment to fill Minnesota's Senate seat left vacant since the death of Sen. Paul Wellstone at 10 a.m. -- at the same time Republican candidate Norm Coleman and DFL candidate Walter Mondale will begin their one and only debate of the election. The interim replacement is expected to serve until the newly elected senator is seated.
The governor had previously said he wouldn't announce his appointment until the polls closed on Tuesday night.

The debate has sparked controversy in Ventura's Independence Party because IP candidate Jim Moore has been excluded. Moore is going to court at 9 a.m. to force sponsors either to halt the debate or let him in.

The debate is to be aired live on KARE 11, Minnesota Public Radio, CNN and C-Span. It will also be webcast on www.mpr.org.

Subject: RE: BS: King Jesse Ventura
From: wilco
Date: 04 Nov 02 - 11:22 AM

Wouldn't that be a hoot!!?

Subject: RE: BS: King Jesse Ventura
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Nov 02 - 11:24 AM

I'm currently watching the Ventura press conference. His appointment has gone to Dean Barkley, a former US senate candidate in 1994 and 1996.

The fireworks in the press conference are unbelievable. This will upstage the debate currently going on without a doubt. Actually, even though he is being about as petty, mean spirited, and vengeful as a person can be, he is dead on about the third party issue.

This is just unbelievable.

Subject: RE: BS: King Jesse Ventura
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Nov 02 - 12:23 PM

This is just bizarre. Ventura was absolutely blistering in his attack on the media for locking out the major third party candidates out of the debate--his press conference announcing a political appointee from his own party, Dean Barkley, is being COMPLETELY IGNORED by the national AND local media. His press conference was full of fireworks--and only ONE channel, local or national, covered it, despite the fact that the three media whore networks--CNN, Fox & MSNBC all carried the debate live.

It looks to me like a clear case of media censorship. SERIOUS media censorship. The Minnesota senate seat race has been THE major story in the media since Wellstone's death, and now they aren't doing anything but giving the story of Ventura's appointment more than a single line or two. They aren't covering the governor's scathing, half hour diatribe against the media AT ALL.

Ventura really nailed it, when he said that the two party system has the media in their back pockets, and is doing all it can to destroy the third party movement. Ventura is so bizarre. He can be so awfully, terribly wrong, but at other times, so very right.

Subject: RE: BS: King Jesse Ventura
From: MMario
Date: 04 Nov 02 - 12:24 PM

he's a lame duck - and so is his appointee. The media isn't covering it because they can't milk it.

Subject: RE: BS: King Jesse Ventura
From: kendall
Date: 04 Nov 02 - 12:28 PM

He's a petulent meathead.

Subject: RE: BS: King Jesse Ventura
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Nov 02 - 12:30 PM

No, you didn't see the governor's press conference MMario. His point that the media is locking out legal major party candidates (defined legally as any party which receives 5% of the statewide vote in the previous election, which in Minnesota includes both Ventura's Independence Party (the former Reform Party of Ross Perot), and the Green Party, is certainly newsworthy. The fireworks in this press conference was like nothing I've ever seen--which certainly makes it exciting enough for the media whores at CNN, Fox, and MSNBC.

No, this story is being censored, including by the Minneapolis Star Tribune, and the St. Paul Pioneer Press. I'll cut and paste the articles from those papers below.

Subject: RE: BS: King Jesse Ventura
From: katlaughing
Date: 04 Nov 02 - 12:30 PM

His timing sucks...it looks like he hoped to trump the debate and it didn't work.

Subject: RE: BS: King Jesse Ventura
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Nov 02 - 12:33 PM

Here is the St. Paul Pioneer Press report. Now mind you, the entire half hour news conference was mostly Ventura giving his reasons for making this appointment, with the particular timing he used in hopes to NOT see the story get censored. I agree katlaughing, it appears that it hasn't worked. And that clearly gives the Republicans the advantage.

Posted on Mon, Nov. 04, 2002   

Ventura appoints Barkley to fill temporary Senate seat
By JIM RAGSDALE and PATRICK SWEENEY
PIONEER PRESS

ST. PAUL, Minn.
Gov. Jesse Ventura appointed longtime friend Dean Barkley this morning to replace the late Sen. Paul Wellstone in the U.S. Senate until the candidate who is elected Tuesday is seated.

Barkley is the director of Minnesota Planning and a former third-party candidate for the U.S. House and Senate. He is the man who recruited Ventura to run for governor in 1997. In addition to being a lawyer, he was managing a car wash when Ventura was elected.

Ventura timed his announcement to conflict with the signal event of the political wind-up -- a morning U.S. Senate debate between Democrat Walter Mondale and Republican Norm Coleman.

Coleman and Mondale started debating at 10 a.m. at the Fitzgerald Theater in downtown St. Paul; Ventura, who was upset that other candidates were not included in the Mondale-Coleman debate, timed his announcement for the same moment in his reception room at the state Capitol.

To add to the three-ring-circus effect, a lawyer for Moore, the candidate of Ventura's Independence Party of Minnesota, was in court early Monday morning trying to stop the debate because he and Green Party candidate Ray Tricomo were excluded. A Ramsey County district court judge rejected Moore's request at 9:45 a.m.

The length of Ventura's appointment is in doubt.

Initially, Attorney General Mike Hatch said the person elected on Tuesday would take office on Nov. 19, when the results are officially certified. But Ventura's office believes the appointment would last until the new U.S. Senate term begins in January. A second Attorney General's opinion on the subject was delivered to Ventura's office, but has not been publicly announced.

Ventura has been all over the map in his strategy for the appointment.

He said his main concern was to make sure that Minnesota is fully represented when Congress goes back into session on Nov. 12. He initially said he would probably appoint a Democrat, because the seat would have been in Democratic hands through the end of the year had U.S. Sen. Paul Wellstone not been killed in a plane crash.

But after his anger at the political content of the Wellstone memorial service last week, he abandoned that plan, saying he would take his anger out on Demorats by denying them the interim appointment.

He has consistently said since Wellstone died that he would try to make an appointment in a way that would not influence the election. He said that meant he would not make his appointment known until after the polls closed at 8 p.m. Tuesday. That plan was abandoned Monday morning.

He also has consistently said he did not want to appoint anyone who wanted to hold the position permanently. He said he would probably be attacked if he appointed someone of his own party. More recently, he has said he wanted to appoint "John Q. Citizen," someone with no political experience.

That triggered an avalanche of resumes, emails and calls from average citizens who wanted to be senator-for-a-fortnight. At 9:35 a.m. Monday, in fact, Ventura's receptionist was still taking calls from people seeking the appointment.

While the national media descended on Minnesota following Wellstone's death and Mondale's replacement, Ventura, who is accustomed to national reporters seeking him out, has been largely ignored. But his musing about the appointment, his anger over the memorial service and finally his dramatic announcement on Monday thrust him back into the story.

Subject: RE: BS: King Jesse Ventura
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Nov 02 - 12:39 PM

Here is the Minneapolis Star Tribune's article, which only uses a single quote by Ventura which includes the claims he made regarding the media usurpation of the election debate system, and that was made quite selectively to include the Democrats and the Republicans. This story is being censored, there is no doubt about it. I'm currently listening to the MSNBC "roundtable" discussion by local Minnesotans about the debate--they are showing video of Ventura, with no audio of his remarks about the media.

Ventura names Barkley to succeed Wellstone
Jackie Crosby
Star Tribune

Published Nov. 4, 2002 VENT05

On the eve of the most hotly contested U.S. Senate vote in decades, Gov. Jesse Ventura threatened to throw the election into still more disarray today with the appointment of state planning commissioner Dean Barkley to complete the term of Paul Wellstone, who died in a plane crash on Oct. 25.

Barkley "has a keen sense of the what is in the best interest of ordinary Minnesotans," Ventura said. "He will put the people's interest before the party's interest."

Ventura announced his plans for filling the vacant seat at 10 a.m. -- just as a scheduled debate between Democratic candidate Walter Mondale and Republican hopeful Norm Coleman began. Ventura said he was appointing Barkley in "direct protest" to the debate organizers' exclusion of other candidates.

"Today, three very powerful institutions -- the DFL, the Republican party and the media -- are conspiring to limit the hard-earned rights of ordinary citizens to rise up and compete for elected office without having to be a Democrat or a Republican," Ventura said.


Dean Barkley

Mike Zerby
Star Tribune
Ventura earlier had said he would not appoint an interim senator until after the election on Tuesday.

Barkley said he had not applied for the job, and that he heard about his nomination just before 9:00 a.m., in a phone call from Ventura chief of staff Steven Bosacker.

"I'm the first former car wash operator to be a U.S. senator," Barkley joked at a state Capitol press conference. He described his politics as "a little Wellstone, a little Rudy Boschwitz."

Barkley ran as an independent for the Senate in 1994 and 1996. He earned the then-Reform Party major status by his showing in the 1996 race. The Reform Party has since changed to the Independence Party.

Barkely said his first order of business would be to educate himself on spending bills awaiting Senate action.

"I have a lot of homework to do," he said.

Lacking either Democratic or Republican credentials, Barkley was asked with whom he would caucus in Washington.

"I'll do what I can do to help the people in the state of Minnesota," he responded. "I'll caucus by myself in a bathroom, if I have to."

Subject: RE: BS: King Jesse Ventura
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Nov 02 - 12:41 PM

The newspapers in Minnesota are covering it, at least. Visit the Star Tribune. A good place to find all of these local media links is at Newspaper Links.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: King Jesse Ventura
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Nov 02 - 12:46 PM

Stilly River Sage, I just posted that article. As I said, it is totally ignoring what was essentially a half hour diatribe by Ventura about how the media is trying to destroy the third party movement. They are NOT reporting accurately, as I pointed out in my post above. They are making it appear as though Ventura focused his remarks on the two parties in general and on Mondale and the Democrats specifically. That is grossly misrepresenting what he said, and the reasons he gave for appointing an Independence Party senate candidate from 1994 and 1996.

Subject: RE: BS: King Jesse Ventura
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Nov 02 - 12:48 PM

BTW, why is no one here wondering WHY the media would censor such a scathing, lucid criticism of it's own institutional role in suppressing third parties in the election process, hmmm? That is what is at issue here, not that Ventura is, as a human being, a jerk.

Jerks can be dead on right too, and Ventura certainly is in this case!

Subject: RE: BS: King Jesse Ventura
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Nov 02 - 01:06 PM

Minnesota Public Radio is also not reporting on the governor's criticism of the media, choosing to post the AP article, which is putting the spin on the governor's press conference that absolutely mischaracterizes the tone and the bulk of his remarks. The way it is being spun now is to censor any quotes that were specifically about the media, and choosing instead to use a single quote from Ventura, where he claimed that the Democrats, Republicans and the media are "conspiring to limit the hard-earned rights of ordinary citizens" rather than include his scathing remarks on media censorship. They are also now spinning to make Ventura look bad, and to spin attention back on the Wellstone memorial. Ventura did mention his disgust with the memorial, and went as far as to say he would never attend another funeral of a politician unless it was in a church (Ventura is infamous in his anti-church attendance and organized religion opinions, so again, this is another inconsistency with him).

You know, if they were just refusing to air the governor's normal diatribes against the media as being non-newsworthy, I could agree. But the circumstances surrounding his decision to appoint a former third party candidate for US senate from his own party, should be pretty damn newsworthy in this race which has now nearly dropped off the radar completely of the media whore networks as a story. It has been dropped like a hot potato.

One argument made by Minnesota Public Radio's attorney in court this morning was done to counter the argument made by the Independence Party's argument that MPR receives federal funding as a non-profit. The Ramsey County judge who heard the request for an injunction agreed on this point, using it as a justification to deny the request.

Minnesota Public Radio receives a scandalous amount of money from both the state and federal government, and is the largest privately owned "public radio" network in the US, which is rivaled in size and power only by National Public Radio and PBS.

Minnesota Public Radio management was one of the decision makers who locked out the third party candidates from the debate.

Man, I hope some Minnesotans start crying foul loud enough to be heard by tonight's newscasts.

Subject: RE: BS: King Jesse Ventura
From: PeteBoom
Date: 04 Nov 02 - 01:40 PM

Nah... the real story is that Ventura is writing off his own guy, Moore, the IP Candidate, by naming Barkley as interim (to a lame duck session) instead.

It is ALL a conspiracy...

Subject: RE: BS: King Jesse Ventura
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Nov 02 - 02:09 PM

Danged, GUEST, I can't believe that the media would sacrifice a Jessie Ventura tirade in the name of preserving their little oligarchy that their part of. Must have been tough for them since they love *non-news* news that entertains and nothing else. Oh, he was railing on *them*? Oh, I get it now... Jus funnin'...

Makes me sick that they get to decide what constitutes a "major party" but goes to show those crybabies who call the media the "liberal media" that they are wrong, wrong, wrong... If they were even remotely "liberal" they'd want the Green Party cnadidate in the debate and they would have covered Jessie's press conference better.

Like I've said before, the media is owned by whom? The ruling class, that is whom.

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: King Jesse Ventura
From: katlaughing
Date: 04 Nov 02 - 02:42 PM

Agreed, the point is the exclusion, however, if the Green Party & the Independent Party wanted to gain media attention it would have been better to have used a different spokesman for it, than Ventura. I mean, he says, He will put the people's interest before the party's interest. So, presumably, since Wellstone was in by the people's vote, Ventura should have appointed someone from the same party.

Also, I think it is important to remember that it has only been a week or so since the horrible tragedy which brought this all about. People are bound to still be unable to think and speak as clearly as would be best. NOT that that excuses anything to do with politics and the media, BUT, unless it is pretty much normal as in the case of Ventura (*bg*), I think everyone needs to cut each other some slack. Grieving, acceptance, etc. takes a lot longer than a week.

Subject: RE: BS: King Jesse Ventura
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Nov 02 - 03:16 PM

I'm disappointed that he didn't appoint one of the many great wrestlers from here in Minnesota. Curt "Mr. Perfect" Hennig would have been a great senator.

Subject: RE: BS: King Jesse Ventura
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Nov 02 - 03:22 PM

Wait a minute katlaughing, and stop to think about this situation for a minute. It has indeed been a long, strange trip from Friday October 25th. The national news media has been crawling all over the story of the Minnesota US senate race, more than any other race in the midterm election. It has headlined the news reports on the national media every single night for the past week.

Ventura's remarks about the Wellstone memorial were ALL OVER the national media last Wednesday, and his quote about feeling duped was heard on every major network and all the commericial radio stations, ad nauseum, the entire day. Rush Limbaugh devoted a three hour programming block to the Republican outrage campaign, free of charge to the Republican National Committee and the Coleman for Senate campaign, as did MSNBC, CNN, and Fox. Ventura was being touted as the voice of reasoned, righteous indignation in Minnesota.

By contrast, today when Ventura makes a very public controversial announcement which is a much bigger news story in terms of newsworthiness than the debate between Mondale and Coleman because of it's IMMEDIATE effect on the balance of power in the US senate less than 24 hours before the election, the national and local media IGNORE THE STORY????

The national media is now also lying about Ventura's actual remarks. The quote being used in all the news reports (being taken off the AP wire) says:

"Today, three very powerful institutions -- the Republican Party, the Democratic Farmer-Labor party and the Minnesota media -- are conspiring to limit the hard-earned rights of ordinary citizens to rise up and compete for elected office without having to be a Democrat or a Republican," Ventura said.

One problem. Ventura never singled out the Minnesota media. He simply said "the media" and "you people". He is being consistently misquoted. I wonder why, hmmmm?

No institution benefits more from the current corrupt two party political system than the print, radio, and television media outlets which receive ALL the campaign advertising money. Ventura has acted just as vindictively (some would say "colorfully") in this instance as he did last Wednesday, but for some curious reason (I'm being politely tongue in cheek here) despite the remarks being equally scathing as those he made about the Wellstones and the Democratic party last Wednesday, the media decides to not cover the biggest election story of the day before the election. This has not one thing to do with grieving and acceptance katlaughing. This has to do with the false prophets of the fourth estate abrogating their reporting in the public interest duties, in order to deflect criticism of their obviously biased reporting.

Subject: RE: BS: King Jesse Ventura
From: katlaughing
Date: 04 Nov 02 - 04:04 PM

Not sure I agree, GUEST. Maybe they don't consider it that important because the appointment itself is a lame duck issue. Also, maybe they decided they gave Ventura too much press last week and they've decided to kewl their jets. The Senate will be evenly divided now and nothing will really happen until next January, maybe.

Having been in radio and some tv, I can tell you that there aren't any bigwigs who sit around and tell every little radio/tv station what they should and should not run for news. Of course, if they belong to a group, they may get told some guidelines. The ones who have MORE power to subvert the news are the advertisers. We had the son of a big advertiser get drunk and run his car into another retailer's building. We were told, through our sales rep who handled their account, that if we made a big story out of it they would pull all of their adverts, which comprised a large part of that sales rep's annual income. Unfortunately, management complied and an ugly story supressed.

Go figure, huh?

kat

So...maybe you are right...maybe there are less obvious reasons for it not getting much press. Maybe we should all write in and demand they give it more coverage? Just thinking out loud here.:-)

Subject: RE: BS: King Jesse Ventura
From: GUEST,Kim C no cookie
Date: 04 Nov 02 - 04:20 PM

There are other parties our there besides Democrats and Republicans - and they usually get slighted in the media. Heck, they don't really even get covered at all. When I ask why, most people will say, "money." But news coverage doesn't (or shouldn't) have anything to do with money.

All candidates should be invited to debate each other. All candidates should be reported about in the news, regardless of how much money they have to spend on advertising.

As voters we have a responsibility to educate ourselves about all the candidates so we can make informed choices - but that's a little hard to do when you can't read about them in the paper.

Subject: RE: BS: King Jesse Ventura
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Nov 02 - 04:28 PM

I'm not suggesting any conspiracy and collusion on the uniform decisions NOT to cover this story. What I am saying is that the news directors made their individual decisions which, when viewed collectively across the board, suggests a universal bias among corporate media in general, and the Republican owned media in particular.

Normally, MSNBC, CNN, and Fox would jump on Jesse's remarks, because they love his confrontational style. Why? Because it gets them bigger ratings. That was a lot of what drove the Republican outrage story last week. It was quite convenient for the Republicans that Jesse wasn't a Republican, and had a Minnesota bully pulpit with which to blast the Wellstone memorial--something the Minnesota Republicans are currently lacking here.

However, I believe the corporate media news directors each acted on their own and decided it would be more convenient for them NOT to cover Jesse, because they could conveniently claim to be covering the debate instead. However, I would ask if the Minnesota senate debate was so newsworthy, why wasn't such a controversial appointment for that very senate seat not newsworthy?

Sorry katlaughing, I ain't buying what you or the corporate media is peddling for excuses on this one.

Subject: RE: BS: King Jesse Ventura
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Nov 02 - 04:31 PM

Good idea, Kat. They, the media, should know that we see the ballgame that going down. And I'll guarentee you that you won't find any of this on paper. It doesn't need to be on paper. Everyone in the media fully understands the deal. "Step out of line, the man gonna come and take you away." But the only avenue is to eith write the editor will throw your letter in the trash or to spend a lot of money like Sean Penn did last month when he paid $56,000 to the Wsahington Post to have a letter run in their paper in the form of an advertisement that was deeply critical of Bush.

But continue writing. I do now and then. I'm not sure it will ever do any good but, heck, it can't mess the media up any more than it is now. Right? And it makes me feel better to flame the bast**ds now and then...

Maybe you copuld start one of those cyber petitions, Kat, and we could get a few million folks to threaten to boycott one of the major networks if it doesn't "shape up" or better yet boycott the products of one of their advertisers. Now that might get their attention.

Just kinda thinkin' out loud.

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: King Jesse Ventura
From: katlaughing
Date: 04 Nov 02 - 04:34 PM

I said maybe and that I was thinking out loud, GUEST, not making any specific claims. I agree with Kim's remarks that all should be heard. Thanks for clarifying that you didn't mean an overall conspiracy. You could be right about the news directors making such decisions independently. Who knows?

Subject: RE: BS: King Jesse Ventura
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Nov 02 - 04:51 PM

One local station ran the press conference in it's entirety, which is the local ABC affiliate. The news director of that station also made the very fair decision last week NOT to feed into the local media outrage campaign frenzy, and focus instead on the fact that they had reported prior to the memorial that people should expect exactly what they got, barring Rick Kahn's remarks naming Republicans in the audience.

I mention this because it isn't as if no video was shot of the press conference, and the national networks pay for the feed from local networks all the time, and vice versa. That is how CNN and Fox get local video, and how many local stations get national and international video.

That too, has something to do with the routine, every day collusion between the GOP corporate cheerleader channels like Fox and CNN and local stations. So is it really all that surprising when they universally make the same decision to NOT cover a controversy they easily could have kept going all the way through tomorrow, boosting their ratings at a time when they are being nearly universally ignored by the public, most of whom could care less about this election?

John Q. RepublicanLeaningindependent would be PISSED OFF if the networks spun Jesse this week the same way they spun Jesse last week, because it could send votes away from their and Shrub's boy Norm Coleman. And of course, the GOP media, like the GOP corporados, like the GOP politicians, like the presselect and the veep of undisclosed locations, wants Norm to win. Hence, no coverage of that little controversy. At least, not until the polls close tomorrow. Then maybe we will see excerpts of the governor's press conference today begin to surface on the media whore channels because it will just boost their ratings, and not boost their ratings and lose the senate seat to the Democrats.

Subject: RE: BS: King Jesse Ventura
From: GUEST,Tim
Date: 04 Nov 02 - 05:39 PM

Righto Bobert! Don't boycott a media outlet...watch or listen regularly, write down their sponsors, then write the sponsors and tell them you're boycoting them! Kat's right -- the advertisers wield the powah. I've been dogging several companies this way, and they have all written non-form letters to me. I haven't driven any fat hypocrite blow-hards off the air yet, but it makes me feel better, and if we ALL did it.....

Subject: RE: BS: King Jesse Ventura
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Nov 02 - 06:30 PM

Only problem there fellas, is currently the largest advertisers paying for Minnesota ads on CNN and Fox are the Republican National Committee, the Minnesota Republican Party, and the Coleman for Senate campaign.

I'm not sure that on this subject, we can count on the political ad buyers to put pressure on the networks to "play fair".

Subject: RE: BS: King Jesse Ventura
From: katlaughing
Date: 04 Nov 02 - 06:39 PM

No, but putting the pressure on the other adverisers which share the airwaves with them might. I hate the idea of doing so in a way because it is a tactic used by the far right, which I abhor, esp. the right to life groups, but it has been effective. The political ads do put a different spin on it.

BTW, GUEST said mot people could care less. You are right in that they aren't that interested in the news programs BUT "sweeps" started this week, so LOTS of people are glued to their sets to catch the premier of their favourite programs, and, of course, catch the pol. ads whether they mean to or not and we all know how subliminal that can be!

Yuck! This whole thing just sucks!

kat

Subject: RE: BS: King Jesse Ventura
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Nov 02 - 07:42 PM

And again, it was two media outlets who arbitrarily decided what voters "needed", cutting voters out of the picture altogether. Even Minnesota Public Radio is scrambling tonight on their local news broadcast. One of their talking heads interviewed an "expert"--a political scientist from the University of Minnesota--in an attempt to get some sort of support for their decision to cut two of the four major Minnesota parties out of the debate today. The "expert" refused to condone what they had done, and labeled it a disservice to the voters to decide such important issues "on their behalf" based upon the media outlet's own polling, which they of course claim is beyond reproach.

One of the disturbing facets of relying upon one's own polling data to make decisions that cut out a third of the voters "for their own good" as the Minnesota media outlets did today, conveniently never gets reported on, to wit:

The Minneapolis Star Tribune endorsed Mondale for US senate. It's poll showed their man ahead.

The St. Paul Pioneer Press, not surprisingly, endorsed former St. Paul mayor Norm Coleman for US senate. Their poll showed their man ahead.

Are there really still people who don't get this? Who don't see how blatant this media bias thing is? Who really are still that clueless?

Subject: RE: BS: King Jesse Ventura
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Nov 02 - 08:09 PM

Man, this really sucks, GUEST. It's like the ruling class keeps changing the rules in the middle of the game. But then again, we ahve a president who thinks pre-emptivness is just hunky dorey so it's no wonder that media thinks they should have their way . Screw the laws, they say. Heck, we have the power to just get Joe Six Pack to vote for Adolf Hitler if we want to so whatz laws got to do with anything?

Yep, Canada lookin better and better.

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: King Jesse Ventura
From: Rustic Rebel
Date: 04 Nov 02 - 08:17 PM

When I heard the news this morning about the Independent party (once again) being left out of the debate I was so pissed off. I believe tommorrow I will vote neither democrate nor republican. Like I said, I was so mad, and then Jessi came on and was as equally pissed off.I am glad he did what he did this morning and said what he said. And maybe a lot of people didn't hear it but I am glad to say I am one that did.
Rustic

Subject: RE: BS: King Jesse Ventura
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Nov 02 - 09:24 PM

I just heard Jessie's comments a few minutes ago on C-SPAN and whatnhe said, this eve of the elections, was the only thing that made any sense I've heard today from the blare of the media.

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: King Jesse Ventura
From: EBarnacle1
Date: 05 Nov 02 - 01:13 PM

Last night, NBC's sound bite included Jesse's damnation of the press as part of their story on his temporary appointment.

Subject: RE: BS: King Jesse Ventura
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Nov 02 - 03:07 PM

Kat -- don't fear the boycott just because the far-right has used it. Ghandi used it splendidly against the British (come to think of it, the Irish invented it to use against the British). The far-right votes, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't. Vote with you wallet!

Tim

Subject: RE: BS: King Jesse Ventura
From: katlaughing
Date: 05 Nov 02 - 03:29 PM

You are right, Tim!

And, I lied, I think. Sweeps start next week, apparently.:-)

kat

Subject: RE: BS: King Jesse Ventura
From: Bill D
Date: 05 Nov 02 - 03:32 PM

quite apart from my opinions on the media, Jesse, the Senate the 'ruling class'...etc., I wonder how this whole thread would have read if everyone had signed in as just GUEST. A bit confusing, at the least.

At least at conventions for the blind, there is voice recognition to give them some idea of who they are talking to....

With VERY few exceptions, I will NOT carry on conversations with shadows..(not that certain shadows give a damn what I think)

I do not care WHAT folks call themselvea, or whether they set a cookie or not...but I wish there would be a 'movement' to refuse to answer diatribes from ghosts.

Subject: RE: BS: King Jesse Ventura
From: Irish sergeant
Date: 05 Nov 02 - 04:13 PM

I have followed the race in Minnesota some what. Being from New York, I'm more concerned with our gubenatorial race. However,If I may make some comments in general, I hope you'll indulge me.
Why are we surprized when politcians show they are guttersnipes? The people for the most part who want the jobs are not the people to be trusted with the job.
   Kim, Maybe the news shouldn't be about money ( I Agree with you on that) but it most certainly is about money. Anyone who has worked as a writer for a newspaper will tell you that. I worked for a local weekly here a few years back and I can tell you what the associate publisher was was a glorified salesman. He didn't give a damn abouit well written stories as long as he got is advertising dollar. So yeah, I can relate to Governor Ventura ripping up the media. I hope eventually we can sort it out where the smaller parties get equal time (As they are legally supposed to) but don't hold your breath sportsfans. Have a good night and fall all my fellow voting age Americans out there GO VOTE!!! neil

Subject: RE: BS: King Jesse Ventura
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Nov 02 - 04:16 PM

Well, danged, Bill, I was kinda likin' this GUEST since he or she is the first one that's made any sense to speak of. I even told him or her to come on out of the GUEST closet. As fir the other GUESTS, I think it is apparent why they are in the closet. Most are, ahhhhh, mean spirited folks.

So, *this* GUEST! Come on out!

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: King Jesse Ventura
From: Bill D
Date: 05 Nov 02 - 04:59 PM

well DANGED, Bobert *grin*...I kinda like you, too...but if everyone I liked was anonymous, I wouldn't know where to send the big reward checks, right?....like I said 3 years ago, they can be 'guest' Rumplestiltskin iffn they want..Or at least ONE can....

anyways, I got as much right to poke at 'em as they have to hide.