ADD: Trouble over Bridgewater (Chris Joe Beard)

Subject: RE: ADD: Trouble over Bridgewater (Chris Joe Beard)
From: GUEST,Felipa
Date: 29 May 22 - 03:54 PM

Bridgwater Somerset is nearish to the Halsway Manor residential centre for folk arts. It will probably be a year before I visit it again, so maybe I will learn this song in that time.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Trouble over Bridgwater (Chris Joe Beard)
From: GUEST
Date: 28 May 22 - 04:53 PM

This is so strange- happened upon this thread. Trevor lived with my family in Quimper, Brittany for a while, and my father played on that album

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Trouble over Bridgwater (Chris Joe Beard)
From: breezy
Date: 18 May 12 - 04:17 PM

When I was a plater, I got stuck on the M5 roundabout at Bridgewater trying to hitch to Xter

In end I caught a bus !

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Trouble over Bridgwater (Chris Joe Beard)
From: GUEST
Date: 18 May 12 - 03:18 PM

And lo and behold The Centre Sesions did finish.Shame really.Now concentrating on a new band "I Beardius"........using old and new "Purple Gang " type music.
all the best "Joe"

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Trouble over Bridgwater (Chris Joe Beard)
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Mar 12 - 08:57 AM

Yes Ian is right.The Centre Sessions have moved. (Much against our wishes I might add and because of that we are struggling and thinking of moving !!) We were moved to the second SATURDAY in the month.
We will very likely be moving again.The old place is NOT the same- not the same team/times/ages/bar etc. etc. Our heads ruled our hearts.People expect better heating lighting bar facilities etc. etc.The staff there are LOVELY people, but it has been a struggle.I have not performed "Trouble Over Bridgwater" there yet as USA Americana has gained a foothold and "folk" has been discouraged.Not by me.
"There`ll be hell to pay for sure-when I drop this horse manure-all over Smytheley Jones and his AMERICANA BAND tonight""
only joking
Joe Beard

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Trouble over Bridgwater (Chris Joe Beard)
From: Ian Hendrie
Date: 02 Mar 12 - 05:04 PM

I 'think' that Poynton Centre Sessions may have moved to Saturdays. Perhaps Chris can correct me if I'm wrong.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Trouble over Bridgwater (Chris Joe Beard)
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Mar 12 - 03:19 PM

CHRIS (JOE) BEARD
Hello again and it`s 2012---still alive still performing.
I don`t have a blues band.And it`s not The BRIDGWATER BLUES BAND.
My old Purple Gang bassist Chris MILLWARD is in that.
I am back in the building where we recorded "Trouble Over Bridgwater" album with my late partner Trevor Crozier as host muso to THE CENTRE SESSIONS second tuesday in the month.
I also have a book coming out called "Taking The Purple" and it`s all in there about my times with Trevor and prior to that The Purple Gang and Granny Takes A Trip and all that.
watch out for www.chrisjoebeard.com ..should be active in Late March.
Look out for Trevor`s album on Amazon or E bay...."Trouble Over Bridgwater" on the One Up EMI label.
I got the title off Bob Barrett the producer of The Wurzels who told the tale of an old lady asking for the S and G album TOB
best to you all
watch out for snipers
CJ Beard

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Trouble over Bridgewater (Trevor Crozier)
From: GUEST,folkie from Bridgater
Date: 10 Jul 11 - 12:50 PM

I feel a bit thick now because the Simon and Garfunkle pun dawned on me not too long after posting my question.
I was distracted from the obvious due to too much local connection and knowledge.

Crozier is a very local Bridgwater name and I wondering if the flying references had any thing to do
with the nearby Pawlett Barrage Balloon Hangar.

Oh well.

But I see from google Bridgwater must have even the most tenuous significance
for Mr Chris Joe Beard to name his Blues band after us.

Btw, an American Alt Country singer named a recent CD "Normal for Bridgwater" as an in joke for his record producer
and in honour of our town's dubious cultural & mental health reputation.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Trouble over Bridgewater (Trevor Crozier)
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 10 Jul 11 - 12:34 PM

It's a pun guest. Bridge over Troubled Water, you remember that one?

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Trouble over Bridgewater (Trevor Crozier)
From: Kevin Sheils
Date: 10 Jul 11 - 12:33 PM

I worked with Trevor and his partner Anne as a minstrel in 1970 in one of those mock Tudor feast places that were popular at the time, 1520AD in St Martins Lane.

Happy Days (or Daze more likely!)

Lovely man. I recall his manager around that time was convinced Trevor with friends would get into the charts and on TOTP with a song about the fashion for wearing old fur coats, I don't think the project got past rehearsals but I can just about remember one or two lines (or words). I think the manager at the time was Kevin Sheldon who contributed spoken words to Lea Nicholson's Horsemusic LP. In fact IIRC Lea was also involved in the fur coat project.

Oh and Guest from Bridgwater, the reason was that it was in the west country and allowed for the pun on BOTW!

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Trouble over Bridgewater (Trevor Crozier)
From: Ian Hendrie
Date: 10 Jul 11 - 12:31 PM

Might it be something to do with 'Bridge Over Troubled Water'?

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Trouble over Bridgewater (Trevor Crozier)
From: GUEST,folkie from Bridgwater
Date: 10 Jul 11 - 11:31 AM

errrm.... why Bridgwater ???


any particular reason, or just a random blindfolded pin prick in a road map ???

Subject: Lyr Add: TROUBLE OVER BRIDGWATER (Chris Joe Beard)
From: GUEST,chris joe beard
Date: 10 Jul 11 - 10:47 AM

TROUBLE OVER BRIDGWATER
(PRS/MCPS registered copyright to Chris Joe Beard--tel [phone]
e mail [e-mail]

In key of G slow intro.....jug band style....chords are GEmA7D7...and GD7CGEmA7D..........GD7GG7CGCGFsharpFEA7D7G.chorus

INTRO
My Emily was so good to me, but now she's gone forever.
She's run off with that cad young Smytheley-Jones,
And now I see them everywhere; it seems I'm just forgotten.
They pass me with their noses in the air.

VERSE 1...SPEED UP THE MUSIC
But since she's gone I've spent my time feeling rather rotten.
I'll take my Sopwith Camel for a spin,
And tonight I'm flying dangerously, a mission of the heart,
And over Smytheley-Jones's barbeque.

CHORUS
And there'll be trouble over Bridgwater tonight.
There's bound to be a beastly row alright.
There'll be hell to pay for sure, when I drop the horse manure
All over Smytheley-Jones tonight.

VERSE 2
The vicar will be at the do and so will all the gentry.
What a spiiffing wheeze, I'm bound to say.
They can't afford a scandal on their wedding day.
It's about time that he got one in the eye.

I've a sack of old hen feathers and 20 bags of flour.
I'll show those stuffy bounders how to fly.
And I've other scores to settle with young Smytheley-Jones.
The rotter's got it coming. Chocks away!

Repeats etc.


Best...in memory of my dear old partner Trevor
Chris Joe Beard, ex Purple Gang.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Trouble over Bridgewater (Trevor Crozier)
From: michaelr
Date: 14 Jul 10 - 07:18 PM

Dear Guest, CJ Beard: Please post the lyrics here! Thank you very much.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Trouble over Bridgewater (Trevor Crozier)
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Jul 10 - 06:22 PM

I`m afraid I wrote the song "Trouble Over Bridgwater" and will send anyone the lyrics
I`m Chris Joe Beard the songwriter for The Purple Gang (Granny Takes A Trip etc.)
I partnered Trevor in 1975/76 and he came to live with us here in Poynton after "Lyonness".
I have many tales to tell of our exploits.I`m solo now.
best CJ Beard (Joe)
[e-mail]

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Trouble over Bridgewater
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Apr 10 - 05:23 PM

If you're still lookiing for this I have a cassette that I recorded off a copy of the original LP

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Trouble over Bridgewater
From: Snuffy
Date: 21 Nov 02 - 09:34 AM

Piddle in the Hole is a beer brewed by the Wyre Piddle Brewery. The name came from the brewery's proximity to a golf course, and the pumpclip shows a golfer holing out.

Other beers include Piddle in the Sun, Snow and Wind.

WassaiL! V

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Trouble over Bridgewater
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Nov 02 - 09:20 AM

talking a load of Piddle there is a Wyre Piddle and North Piddle in the Evesham area of Worcs. Some marketing guy made a wine in North Piddle and called it Chateau Piddle. We all could have told him - great joke - sell at Christmas - but generally a bomber.

I remeber an area on the map called Piddle in the Hole and it was not that far from Bromyard (as in Folk Festival) but all the maps I have aquired since it has disappeared. Can anyone confirm I was not dreaming?

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Trouble over Bridgewater
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 21 Nov 02 - 07:13 AM

Trevor was a lovely guy - I'm sad to hear that he's dead. Although he wrote songs mainly about Somerset, he loved all things "West Country" and I seem to remember that he got married at Padstow on May Day.

There is one of Trevor's songs in the DT - Dead Dog Scrumpy - I sent in the acreditation.

Many of his songs were recorded by "The Yetties" who also hail from the same neck of the woods. I still sing "If the Piddletrentide Jugband hit the Charts" - if anyone wants the words (or at least what my memory and the "folk process" have transmuted them to) I'll post them.

BTW Piddletrentide is so named because it's on the river Piddle, although it's often changed to Puddle (as in Tolpuddle) presumably to avoid embarassment. There is even a village called Briantspuddle, but Essex Girl refused to take a photo of me appropriately relieving myself by the village sign !

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Trouble over Bridgewater
From: The Shambles
Date: 21 Nov 02 - 05:11 AM

or the infamous massacre of six farm workers just outside Fort Dorch at Tolpuddle.

Err?

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Trouble over Bridgewater
From: nickp
Date: 21 Nov 02 - 04:05 AM

Haven't got them yet so can't add them. I'm trying but maybe someone else knows.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Trouble over Bridgewater
From: Mr Happy
Date: 20 Nov 02 - 01:21 PM

where's the lyric add?

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Trouble over Bridgewater
From: nickp
Date: 20 Nov 02 - 10:16 AM

Hi Guest - definitely a different beast - long before HMHB (who I haven't actually heard but sound fun and suitably anarchic) - Trevor C's one is for those of us rather older in the tooth (I suspect).

Thanks for the info, it certainly makes searching harder.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Trouble over Bridgewater
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Nov 02 - 10:02 AM

TRACK Listing for Trouble Over BridgeWater
Price at Amazon $30.99 US

1. Irk the Purists
2. Uffington Wassail
3. Third Track Main Camera Four Minutes
4. Move on the Sly
5. Ballad of Climie Fisher
6. Gubba Look-A-Likes
7. Mathematically Safe
8. With Goth on Our Side
9. Used to Be in Evil Gazebo
10. Slight Reprise
11. It's Clichéd to Be Cynical at Christmas
12. Visitor for Mr. Edmonds
13. Bottleneck at Capel Curig
14. Emerging from Gorse
15. Look Dad No Tunes
16. Twenty Four Hour Garage People

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Trouble over Bridgewater
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 20 Nov 02 - 09:49 AM

Easy to locate - I think you guys were dupped by a self-promotor pushing a favorite group -Half Man Half Biscut This is to the ALBUM NOTES.

Discography
http://cobweb.quantisci.co.uk/hmhb/records/Bridgwater.htm

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

A review from http://www.muse.ie/210700/thescope/oldskool.html

Recommended listening "Back In The DHSS" (1985), "The Peel Sessions" (1993), "This Leaden Pall"(1993) and "Voyage to The Bottom of The Road" (1997). They released a new one in April called "Trouble Over Bridgewater".

Is it any good?

"Put it like this - they have not and will not stop chipping away at the cornerstones of Brit-life. Tunes like "Twenty Four Hour Garage People", "Visitor for Mr Edmonds", "Ballad of Climie Fisher" and "Look Dad No Tunes" ensures that their reputations as purveyors of inspired and satirical humour remains untarnished. And there will always be those who find HMHB as amusing as Irritable Bowel Syndrome."

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Trouble over Bridgewater
From: nickp
Date: 20 Nov 02 - 09:07 AM

Still asking round embarassed friends to see if I can get the lyrics!

This is of interest

about Trevor Crozier and links to similar musical items

it also might be of interest to those following the 'dialect' threads

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Trouble over Bridgewater
From: Nemesis
Date: 06 Nov 02 - 01:44 PM

Trevor went to live in Malawi, where his father and uncle had a tobacco estate and was killed in a motor bike accident.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Trouble over Bridgewater
From: nickp
Date: 06 Nov 02 - 04:19 AM

As a resident, but not a local, it is indeed Bridgwater (Somerset, UK for those elsewhere) without the middle 'e'. I know of the LP but have never heard it. I might be able to trace a copy of the words if no-one else can can up with them easily.

Joe's quote is curious. Tolpuddle is a good 60 miles from here. Maybe there's a Bridgwater close to there too (must be very small - wonder if I've a suitable map - Tolpuddle itself is small, just with a historical reputation). Oh bother, am I volunteering myself for work here....?

Nick

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Trouble over Bridgewater
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 05 Nov 02 - 09:28 PM

Trevor Crozier was also responsible for "The day the Piddletrenthide Jug Band hit the charts". Packie Byrne sang this at his booking at the Herga club in September, when he recollected that Trevor had emigrated to the Antipodes and died in a riding accident.

Kitty

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Trouble over Bridgewater
From: Mr Red
Date: 05 Nov 02 - 05:01 PM

Mr red was probably joking. ...
And some fell on stoney ground.......

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Trouble over Bridgewater
From: BB
Date: 05 Nov 02 - 02:23 PM

Haven't got the words, I'm afraid, but, yes, it is a comic song - and that's Bridgwater, without an 'e', if you please! Yes, I know that should make it a hard 'g' sound, but that's the way it is.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Trouble over Bridgewater
From: GUEST,Tony
Date: 05 Nov 02 - 01:25 PM

As Trevor Crozier recorded songs like "I'm Looking Over My Dead Dog Rover" I suspect it is a comic interpretation of the Simon & Garfunkal song. Thanks to all replies to date there's some interesting stuff coming up.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Trouble over Bridgewater
From: Joe Offer
Date: 05 Nov 02 - 12:44 PM

In this message, Mr. Red speaks in a way that implies that "Trouble Over Bridgewater" is a well-known traditional song in the UK. I checked Kennedy, Cole, Sam Henry, and various online sources - no luck.

This page (click) tells the story of the incident, which is summarized in this quote:

Several incidents have become the stuff of legends; for example the great Trurioux raid destroying the new road from Bristol in 1798, commemorated as the Trouble Over Bridgewater, or the infamous massacre of six farm workers just outside Fort Dorch at Tolpuddle.

That site is the only one that speaks of "Trouble Over Bridgewater" without reference to the CD with that name that was recently recorded by a UK group called "Half Man-Half Biscuit."

-Joe Offer-

I'll send a personal message to Mr. Red and ask for help.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Trouble over Bridgewater
From: Watson
Date: 05 Nov 02 - 12:22 PM

It was the title track on the 1977 LP EMI One-Up OU2185
Now all you have to do is find a copy - good luck!

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Trouble over Bridgewater
From: Louie Roy
Date: 05 Nov 02 - 12:13 PM

Tony there is a song with the title Bridge Over Troubled Water is it possible that this is the song you're searching for Louie Roy

Subject: RE: Trouble over Bridgewater
From: Joe Offer
Date: 05 Nov 02 - 04:12 AM

Forgive me for saying this, but it sounds like it should be a parody of a Simon & Garfunkel song. Can you remember anything of the song, Tony? I searched Mudcat, but didn't find it.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: Trouble over Bridgewater
From: GUEST,Tony Bonner
Date: 05 Nov 02 - 03:51 AM

Does anyone have the words and / or a disc of the Trevor Crozier song Trouble Over Bridgewater. I believe Trevor was a folk singer in the West Country UK.
Thanks