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Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni

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Raise up Your Voices


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Jeanie 05 Nov 02 - 12:30 PM
katlaughing 05 Nov 02 - 12:31 PM
CapriUni 05 Nov 02 - 12:42 PM
Catherine Jayne 05 Nov 02 - 12:46 PM
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Subject: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: CapriUni
Date: 05 Nov 02 - 12:17 PM

RAISE UP YOUR VOICES
by Ann Magill

Come gather together and sing with glad hearts!
Sing for the sun's return back from the dark.
The wheel, it is turning, the dance, it goes on.
So raise up your voices. Fill the air with sweet song!

Oh, sing with the Goddess: "The world is reborn!
Shining as bright as the very first morn."
The old year has ended. Let go of old wrongs,
And raise up your voices. Fill the air with sweet song!

Though winter will bring us cold nights and fierce wind,
Know by this dawning that hardship will end,
And like the sun's rays, may our hearts all grow strong.
Come raise up your voices -- fill the air with sweet song!

Give thanks to the Goddess, the sweet, living Earth --
Thanks for the cycle of death and rebirth.
She lives in our hearts and the love that we share.
So raise up your voices. Let sweet songs fill the air!

MIDI file: RAISEUP.MID

Timebase: 192

Name: raiseup
Text: By Ann Magill
Copyright: Copyright © 2002 by Ann Magill
TimeSig: 3/4 24 8
Start
0000 1 64 110 0160 0 64 000 0032 1 67 110 0160 0 67 000 0032 1 60 110 0160 0 60 000 0032 1 60 110 0160 0 60 000 0032 1 64 110 0160 0 64 000 0032 1 67 110 0160 0 67 000 0032 1 67 110 0160 0 67 000 0032 1 69 110 0160 0 69 000 0032 1 67 110 0160 0 67 000 0032 1 65 110 0160 0 65 000 0032 1 67 110 0336 0 67 000 0048 1 60 110 0160 0 60 000 0032 1 62 110 0160 0 62 000 0032 1 64 110 0160 0 64 000 0032 1 65 110 0160 0 65 000 0032 1 64 110 0160 0 64 000 0032 1 62 110 0160 0 62 000 0032 1 60 110 0160 0 60 000 0032 1 62 110 0160 0 62 000 0032 1 64 110 0160 0 64 000 0032 1 62 110 0336 0 62 000 0048 1 64 110 0160 0 64 000 0032 1 67 110 0160 0 67 000 0032 1 67 110 0160 0 67 000 0032 1 69 110 0160 0 69 000 0032 1 67 110 0160 0 67 000 0032 1 65 110 0160 0 65 000 0032 1 64 110 0160 0 64 000 0032 1 65 110 0256 0 65 000 0032 1 67 110 0094 0 67 000 0002 1 69 110 0160 0 69 000 0032 1 67 110 0336 0 67 000 0048 1 64 110 0160 0 64 000 0032 1 62 110 0160 0 62 000 0032 1 60 110 0160 0 60 000 0032 1 62 110 0160 0 62 000 0032 1 65 110 0160 0 65 000 0032 1 64 110 0160 0 64 000 0032 1 64 110 0094 0 64 000 0002 1 62 110 0094 0 62 000 0002 1 60 110 0160 0 60 000 0032 1 62 110 0160 0 62 000 0032 1 59 110 0160 0 59 000 0032 1 60 110 0336 0 60 000
End

This program is worth the effort of learning it.

To download the latest version of MIDItext and get instructions on how to use it click here

ABC format:

X:1
T:raiseup
M:3/4
Q:1/4=120
K:C
E2G2C2|C2E2G2|G2A2G2|F2G4|C2D2E2|F2E2D2|C2D2E2|
D4E2|G2G2A2|G2F2E2|F3GA2|G4E2|D2C2D2|F2E2ED|
C2D2B,2|C7/2||


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: Jeanie
Date: 05 Nov 02 - 12:30 PM

Capri, that is lovely !

- jeanie


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: katlaughing
Date: 05 Nov 02 - 12:31 PM

Beautiful, CU!! Thanks!!


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: CapriUni
Date: 05 Nov 02 - 12:42 PM

Thanks, Jeanie!

Thanks, Kat!

I'm just getting in the Yule spirit a little early -- I'm almost as bad as the drug stores. ;-) Next thing you know, I'll be wrapping myself in blinking lights :-D


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: Catherine Jayne
Date: 05 Nov 02 - 12:46 PM

Thats lovely Ann.

Cat


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: open mike
Date: 05 Nov 02 - 02:02 PM

thank you for putting into words these lovely sentiments--
i read your Samhain piece to a group or women gathered at
my house for our 20th annual wild women's gathering. This
year is co-incided with day of the dead and today would have
been my mother's 84th birthday. She passed away in April,
and your writing helped me feel close to her. thank you.
laurel


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: CapriUni
Date: 05 Nov 02 - 02:38 PM

Thanks for the compliment, Cats!

And thank you for the kind words, Laurel. My own mother died 11 years ago, this October, and while the shock and the pain have lessened, with time (while the love and the strength she gave me has endured), I still have vivid memories of what that shock and pain were like. I am glad that my words have helped you through that.

Ma you find at least a little joy every day, even in the midst of darkness.


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: Mudlark
Date: 05 Nov 02 - 02:53 PM

Thanks Capri, for a beautiful Carol....no harm in getting started early. Some of us are a little slower than we used to be about learning songs!


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: CapriUni
Date: 05 Nov 02 - 03:23 PM

no harm in getting started early.

Well, that drugstore comment was made in jest... hence the winky face:

;-)


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: mg
Date: 06 Nov 02 - 12:26 PM

but on the other thread there was a midi. Can you post that again so people can hear the tune...

mg


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: CapriUni
Date: 06 Nov 02 - 03:13 PM

Here you go, Mary Garvey!

MIDI of Carol created through Concertina


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: mg
Date: 06 Nov 02 - 04:27 PM

I clicked and said page can't be found.

Once this is straightened out, do we have your permission to forward this to friends etc.??

mg


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: CapriUni
Date: 06 Nov 02 - 05:00 PM

I clicked and said page can't be found.

Funny, the same thing happened to me, just now... though when I clicked on it right after I made the blickie, it worked just fine... maybe there is a time limit on it... Oh, well.

But here is the Conertina site I used to make the midi that Katlaughing posted. To use it, cut n' paste the ABC format in my opening post (Starting with X:1 and ending with ||) into the message window on that site, and click [submit].

Hope this helps!

And yes, Please do forward and share this song with all your friends and family. My secret ambition is to take over the world with joyfulness, doncha know?

Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha-HAAA!


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: MMario
Date: 07 Nov 02 - 08:00 AM

I will be posting a midi of this on the Mudcat Midi site with CapriUni's permission asap - had not connection yesterday so couldn't do it.


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: Mary in Kentucky
Date: 07 Nov 02 - 08:07 AM

MMario, I posted a "temporary" midi at this site. I didn't have time to work out any harmony. here


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: CapriUni
Date: 07 Nov 02 - 08:56 AM

Mary.... interesting thing, on my computer at least, when your site first loads, there are two voices playing the song -- one in piano, the other, in panpipe, and the piano one comes in a little sooner, so they're slightly out of sync with each other...

hmmm... makes me think this might make a good round...


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: CapriUni
Date: 07 Nov 02 - 10:49 AM

Oh, and had another thought:

For those atheists out there, who are just as uncomfortable singing praises to "The Goddess" as they are to "God" and "Jesus": You can substitute "The Planet" or "all Nature" for the religious bits and it still works -- both in terms of scansion and meaning.

Just a thought.


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: GUEST,CapriUni's Secret Santa
Date: 07 Nov 02 - 11:20 AM

Even better than "the Goddess" or "all Nature",you can sing "your Santa" and it sounds great.
HO HO Ho HO


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: CapriUni
Date: 07 Nov 02 - 01:21 PM

Even better than "the Goddess" or "all Nature",you can sing "your Santa" and it sounds great.

Hmmmm:

Give thanks to your Santa,
The sweet living Earth -- ...

Are you telling me that you are the Planet Herself???

Wow!!!

I didn't know Gaia was a Mudcat member...

Doesn't surprise me, though ;-)


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: MMario
Date: 07 Nov 02 - 01:25 PM

She's my great niece and I didn't know she was even online yet!


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: CapriUni
Date: 07 Nov 02 - 01:30 PM

She's my great niece and I didn't know she was even online yet!

You're the planet's great uncle?!

Ho, ho, ho indeed!!

Don't tell me -- you've got a beard of Holly branches, instead of hair, right?


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: Genie
Date: 08 Nov 02 - 11:13 AM

Ann, thanks for singing the song (enough to give me the melody) into my voice mail. Lovely tune and words.

Do you still need/want any input about arrangements or how to put the tune on the web? I might be able to do a simple sheet music for it using Finale NotePad, if you like.

Genie


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: CapriUni
Date: 08 Nov 02 - 12:44 PM

Do you still need/want any input about arrangements or how to put the tune on the web? I might be able to do a simple sheet music for it using Finale NotePad, if you like.

Well, actually, now that you mention it...

I have Noteworthty Composer (which is what I wrote this on), and that does very nice looking scores for print out.

I'm planning on submitting this to a Pagan Webzine called Scribes of the Goddess which will relaunch (we all hope) this coming Yule. I've already submitted "Magic is for Children", which is another song I wrote with Mudcatters' help, and the editor asked that I submit that one in the form of a jpeg of the score, and the lyrics... I scanned the printout of the score, and it came out looking very nice. So I'm planning on doing that with this one, too.

Howvever, I am curious about how others would arange this. Personally, I hear it only as a simple melody, sung a cappella. But if others hear it with harmonies and arangements, I'd be fascinated to know how that would sound, too... "The greatest gift that God hae gi' us" and all that.

Also, it might be fun to give this song a page of its own... especially if I can add an illustration of my own for the backdrop (I like to work with watercolor pencils, and I have a few images in my head when I sing this song, so....).

So thanks muchly for your kind offers.


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: mg
Date: 08 Nov 02 - 03:42 PM

yes...please get the sheet music...it was on one of the clickies but I don't know if ti is still there..the more people have to do in terms of cut and paste, finding web sites etc., the less likely they are to sing the song..so if MMario could do a midi and Geri could do a page, that would be great. I personally can sort of hear it as a loud drinking-type song..lots of people singing..

mg


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: Barry T
Date: 09 Nov 02 - 01:06 AM

How 'bout four part harmony, Ann? Here's my midi file.

I'll try to put my mind and mouse to create a full-blown sequence tomorrow. In the meantime sing along with the Mudcat String Ensemble!

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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: CapriUni
Date: 09 Nov 02 - 08:19 AM

How 'bout four part harmony, Ann? Here's my midi file.

Heh, heh. The Yuletide Barbarshop. I love it! But the diagonal stripes on those red and white jackets look a little dodgey. I mean, I know you were going for the candy cane look, but...

(Sorry, just got the sillies this morning. It really is lovely.)

I'll try to put my mind and mouse to create a full-blown sequence tomorrow.

That's not a full-blown sequence? How many stops are left to pull out?


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: Jeri
Date: 09 Nov 02 - 08:31 AM

Wow - you know it's good if Barry sequences a MIDI of it! You said at the outset you wanted to write a hymn. I think the tune you've written is a classic hymn tune. Not surprising people want to take off with it!

Barry, it sounds wonderful, except - and this is where I go into nit-picking mode - the B's in the 2nd track sound a bit odd when they come up against the C's in the 3rd. You've got to sneak some 'illegal' stuff in and most times the ear will be fooled into not hearing the naughty notes. It may just be me that's hearing it.

In any case, I can't wait to hear the 'full-blown sequence' if this ain't it!!!


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: CapriUni
Date: 09 Nov 02 - 08:46 AM


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: CapriUni
Date: 09 Nov 02 - 09:02 AM

OOPS! I meant to hit "make a link", and missed... anyway, the link (and even my bookmark) didn't work, because of all the damned popup ads, but there is a webpage called "Willow Firesong's Pagan Yule Carol Collection" that comes up fairly high on Google searches with keywords "Pagan", "Yule" and "Carol" (#2 or 3, I think)

And she asks for submissions of new songs. So I was thinking submitting to her site might be a good way to get more people to see the song, as Mary G. suggested.

But those popups really get up my nose!


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: CapriUni
Date: 09 Nov 02 - 09:05 AM

You said at the outset you wanted to write a hymn.

Did I?

:::Scratches head:::

I don't remember "The outset", but then again, I haven't had my coffee, yet! ;-)


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: Jeri
Date: 09 Nov 02 - 09:27 AM

Oops - "carol" not "hymn." I hadn't had any coffee either, but I'm better now.


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: mg
Date: 09 Nov 02 - 11:24 AM

That is just great...I kan hardly (no see key) wait until Genie komces up with the sheet musik.   Is ctherecc oh my a cccc just poppeccd back on..somcetimces whcere cI cdon't want it...

is there a cchane of gectting this onto its own wecb pagec now so that wec can refer people to it?

mg


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: mg
Date: 09 Nov 02 - 11:25 AM

I forgot to say it recminds me of those drinking songs like the Old Rose and Crown and Drink England Dry, which is why I an hear it with dozens of peoplce sincging it...

mg


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: CapriUni
Date: 09 Nov 02 - 11:29 AM

I'm better now.

Me too. Coffee stirred into hot chocolate -- with extra milk powder for rich creaminess ...

Yummmmm!

As for the carol's tune... this first came into my head last year, so I don't remember exactly, but I think I was modeling it after "Joy to the World" -- the way it opens with a straight forward descending scale from high C to middle C, and uses that as the backbone for the rest of the melody.

But for some reason, the sequence of E, G, C just tickles my pleasure center... Perhaps because it reminds me of birdsong, particularly phoebes and chickadees, which were plentiful around my home when I was growing up...

I went back to listen to it again when the possibility of getting it published in a web zine came up, and realized that I had the rhythm all funkified, so I came here for help. And got it.

I love this place! Thanks, Max!

And thanks to all of you, who lent a helping hand, brain, and ear -- erm, pair of ears!


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: Barry T
Date: 09 Nov 02 - 11:47 PM

Jeri> this is where I go into nit-picking mode -
Jeri> the B's in the 2nd track sound a bit odd
Jeri> when they come up against the C's in the 3rd.

I prefer to think of those as 'unresolved chords' that I create after midnight! ;-)
(Good ear, Jeri!)

Here's the new improved version 2. 'Hope it does the tune justice!

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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: mg
Date: 10 Nov 02 - 12:35 AM

Great..now my next hope is that the midi and the words will appear on the same page.....but I have written it down for myself but I am just not sure how to transmit this..

I'm getting the tune down but I keep going into the pub with no beer and we'll drink England dry and 1 2 3 jolly lads all in one row??

Barry, are you coming to Lake Sasamat? It would be great to meet you in person....you live in BC don't you?

mg


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: Jeri
Date: 10 Nov 02 - 10:53 AM

Hang on Mary (Garvey) - will have something done today. Watch this space.


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: CapriUni
Date: 10 Nov 02 - 12:05 PM

I'm getting the tune down but I keep going into the pub with no beer and we'll drink England dry and 1 2 3 jolly lads all in one row??

My sympathies, Mary.... I hate when that happens! I think it has more to do with muscle memory than anything else. Your diaphram, vocal folds, and tongue and lips are so used to teaming up to form a recoginized pattern, that they go ahead and finish it as soon as they see it starting...

I found "Old Rose and Crown" in the DT, and played the midi... you're right -- the two tunes are very similiar. As a matter of fact, I think the sequence of notes for "...fill the air with sweet song." is identical to "...as it sinks in the west." (pure coincidence, I assure you -- I'd never heard of "Old Rose and Crown" before you noted it).

Do you have any program like NoteWorthy Composer or Finale? If so, you could enter the score into that, and sing along as you watch the notes and words scroll across the screen... that might help.


Otherwise, if you pm me your email address, I could send you a .jpeg file to print out. Maybe it would help stick in your mind if you could get it through your eyes as well as your ear...


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: mg
Date: 10 Nov 02 - 12:41 PM

my email address is mgarvey@wsu.com for this purpose..I'll print it out at work....

I am having a great time singing along with Barry's symphony of it..

I was just going to set up a little web site with the words and let someone else add the music sheet and the midi (?) but it sounds like Jeri is taking care of that...then it will all be together...it is too hard to refer someone to a Mudcat thread that will disappear at some point...

mg


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: Jeri
Date: 10 Nov 02 - 01:42 PM

Here it is.

The words are there, the dots are there, Barry Taylor's MIDI and a wee simple MIDI are there. (Barry, I was presumptuous, but your MIDIs usually say it's ok to swipe them as long as folks keep the attribution.)

If anyone has any problems at all with the page, please let me know.


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: CapriUni
Date: 10 Nov 02 - 02:25 PM

A couple of weeks ago, a friend sent me this thanksgiving prayer, which, she'd been told, dates back to ancient Ireland:

In the presence of my people
back to the beginning of life,
In the witness of the gods
and the ungods,
in homage to the immense
generosity of the universe
I give thanks
before my portion.


Today, I am particularly thankful that I have such talented friends, who are willing and so able to support my own talents.

Barry, that's a beautiful midi -- I really like the chord changes!

Jeri, thankyouthankyouthankyou for the website -- simple and elegant.

It's a good day, today.


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: Genie
Date: 10 Nov 02 - 10:07 PM

OK, Ann, I did the sheet music for your song in Finale, with more syncopation (which differs a bit from verse to verse, depending on the lyric), to see what you think of it. Now I'm trying to remember how to send it to you. I know I did this before with "Goldmine In The Sky," which I sent to MMario, but I don't remember how I did it! Maybe he'll remember.

I can send the Finale Notepad file as an email attachment, and I think anyone who downloads the Finale freeware can read it, even if they have Windows (I have Mac). I'll try that, anyway.

To get the software, go to Codamusic.com (I think).

Genie


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: CapriUni
Date: 10 Nov 02 - 10:21 PM

Genie (and anyone else who may know) --

I have Finale Notepad... But is there a way to save Finale files as midis, the way you can with Noteworthy?

Just wondering...

I look foreward to your version, Genie!


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: CapriUni
Date: 11 Nov 02 - 07:18 PM

After some suggestions from Genie (with the aim of making this more singable by a choir), I have decided to make the following changes:

Throughout the whole song:

change Raise up your voices to Raise all your voices

And in the last line, change Let sweet songs fill the air to Let glad songs fill the air.

Thank you for your patience. We now return you to your regularly scheduled insanity.


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: Genie
Date: 11 Nov 02 - 09:26 PM

Well, Ann, the Finale NotePad Sheet music should be in your email box by now. It has both the lyrics printed under the notes.

If there should be any need to do so, I can fax it to people. (I'm thinking of folks who don't have Finale.) But I won't do that without your permission (including any corrections you may make).

You should have my (not-so-hot quality) recording, with harmony, on your answering machine sometime this week.

I know my Unitarian-Universalist Fellowship folks will be delighted to hear it. They may even use it in their solstice celebration (as you have so graciously permitted).

Joy,

Genie


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: CapriUni
Date: 11 Nov 02 - 11:00 PM

mg:

I know I said I'd email you the jpeg of the score, but the file keeps coming out three times the size of normal printer paper... when I reduce it down to a managable size, the detail goes wonky, and bits of the staff and the stems of the notes disapear... :::Sigh:::: Do you have Adobe reader? maybe saving it as an .pdf file would work


Genie:

I hope you don't mind, I'm extending our pm conversation to the thread, so that others may see it (since the conclusions we draw may affect the final version of the song). A bit of background:

In anticipation of teaching this song to a group for a choral version (is that right?), Genie pointed out a hiccup in the last line of the song: the "tsw" sound blend in "let sweet" is just too durn hard to sing, or at least too hard to sing in a way that sounds good.

So we're trying to hammer out alternatives. One alternative is to change "Let sweet" to "May glad," another is to change the last line to "When we raise up our voices and sweet songs fill the air"... but that would mean inserting an extra note into the line...

And there are probably other alternatives neither of us have thought of yet. :-)

(And yes, Genie... you may fax this song to people... if I can't figure out how to make a clear file of it, perhaps you could fax a copy to me? ;-))


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: mg
Date: 11 Nov 02 - 11:12 PM

don't worry about me. I have the web site. That is all I need.

I actually change voices to voice when singing because there is one too many syllables there and then sweet songs works..see what happens when you turn a song loose...

mg


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: Jeri
Date: 11 Nov 02 - 11:41 PM

She lives in our hearts and the love that we share.
Let her song fill the air ??


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: CapriUni
Date: 11 Nov 02 - 11:47 PM

I actually change voices to voice when singing because there is one too many syllables there and then sweet songs works

Funny, that's what Genie said, but when I cut the syllable from the lyrics, the words stop one note before the dots on the staff do...

If you've designated a staff to have lyrics, Noteworthy Composer simply won't put a note on the staff unless there is a syllable (or pause symbol) to go with it. So I know, in terms of simple counting, at least, that

"Raise all your voices, let sweet songs fill the air"

in the last verse has exactly the same number of syllables as

"Raise all your voices, fill the air with sweet song"

in the other three verses. Why do you suppose it sounds like there is one more? Perhaps what the ear is hearing is not the number of syllables in a line, but the number of stressed syllables in a line?

..see what happens when you turn a song loose...

Yeah. Just like a toddler: once it finds its legs and starts running, there's no keeping up with it!

:::Mahoosive grin:::


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: mg
Date: 11 Nov 02 - 11:54 PM

I think that you are right about the stressed syllables and perhaps why you have been frustrated by this program in the past... mg


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: CapriUni
Date: 12 Nov 02 - 12:27 AM

I wrote:

if I can't figure out how to make a clear file of it, perhaps you could fax a copy to me?

That's a typo. I meant MG, not me (I don't have a fax machine).

That selfsame MG wrote:

I think that you are right about the stressed syllables and perhaps why you have been frustrated by this program in the past...

Well, I've been a little bit frustrated by it, but of all the composing programs, it's the least frustrating so far... What I really need is a telepathic midi generator, that will translate what I hear in my head directly into a form that can be shared with others...

But I don't think that's been invented yet...

Jeri:

She lives in our hearts and the love that we share.
Let her song fill the air ??


Or maybe:

"We'll raise all our voices, let our joy fill the air!" ??


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: Haruo
Date: 12 Nov 02 - 12:41 AM

It's been fascinating and fun to watch this song take shape here. Several days ago I gave the tune (as it then stood, anyway) to my roommate (organist at my Baptist church) to harmonize. He hasn't got it back to me yet, and it looks like Barry et al've done a thorough job of it anyhow, but if/when he does, I'll share his version too. Verne (my roommate) was all gung ho to have it sung in church until I pointed out the likelihood that some in the congregation might find the Goddess references unbaptistic ;-) ...

Haruo


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: CapriUni
Date: 12 Nov 02 - 01:26 AM

From Haruo:

(Hello, there, by the way! I don't believe I've had the pleasure...)

Verne (my roommate) was all gung ho to have it sung in church until I pointed out the likelihood that some in the congregation might find the Goddess references unbaptistic ;-) ...

LoL!

Though actually, I've often wondered why more Christians don't celebrate the Solstice as well as Christmas... After all, according to the Bible the very first blessing of Creation that God gave us was light itself.

And according to both Biblical and historical evidence Jesus was actually born in the spring (the only time sheperds would routinely "watch their flocks by night" is during the lambing season; and Ceasar held the census around the ides of March). But the early Christians decided to celebrate His birth around the solstice for 2 reasons. One reason was that it was already a customary day of celebration. But the other was symbolic: According to Christian teaching, Jesus, like the winter solstice sun, is the "Light that pierces the darkness."

Oh, and as for the last lines, how do these bounce against your minds' ears:

She lives in our hearts and the love that we share,
So raise all your voices, let your joy fill the air
??


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: Barry T
Date: 12 Nov 02 - 02:10 AM

CapriUni> What I really need is a telepathic midi generator...

Oh, so you're the one who's been 'calling'! (LOL)

- - -


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: Genie
Date: 12 Nov 02 - 04:23 AM

Ann, PM me your fax # and I'll fax the Finale sheet music to you.  Feel free to share any of my comments with folks here if you like.  I just PMd them to you because I thought some of my comments/suggestions were outside the main point of this thread.

Ann, Funny, that's what Genie said, but when I cut the syllable from the lyrics, the words stop one note before the dots on the staff do...
If you take out that one syllable, you need to change the two half notes to one whole note.
Noteworthy Composer simply won't put a note on the staff unless there is a syllable (or pause symbol) to go with it.  Finale will let you do that.  (I can't use Noteworthy, since I have Mac.)

So, instead of "Raise up your / voices, Let sweet / songs fill the / air,"  you would have  "Raise up your / voice, Let sweet / song(s) fill the / air."  "...voice, Let sweet" is three quarter notes.

An alternative is "Raise all your voices, May sweet song fill the air."

I also like, "Raise all your voices, let your joy fill the air."  (Same # of syllables as in the other 3 verses, but more melodic words and less a tongue-twister.)

----Oh, I see you already zoomed in on that one, Ann.   (I told you great minds think alike, didn't I?  *BG*)

Genie


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: CapriUni
Date: 12 Nov 02 - 09:24 AM

I also like, "Raise all your voices, let your joy fill the air."

Or, here's a thought that came to me as I was getting ready for bed:

Do both-- Cut out a syllable, and make the ones that remain more melodious:

Raise all your voices, let joy fill the air!

I'll work on that later, right now, I need to get dressed so I can go to the supermarket.


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: CapriUni
Date: 12 Nov 02 - 09:28 AM

Barry T:

Oh, so you're the one who's been 'calling'! (LOL)

Don't tell me you've been rummaging around in my brain, Barry! I didn't get a chance to tidy up the place... I hope the spiders under my hypothalimus didn't bother you too much... ;-)


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: Jeri
Date: 12 Nov 02 - 10:02 AM

If you change the - actually 2 6th notes to a quarter note, idn't it? - you'd have the right ratio of notes per syllable for the last verse only. Of course, you could always change "voices" to "voice" in every verse.

You could put "--" in for the missing syllable.

Now...
There's nothing wrong with using the same last line throughout the song. My guess is that if you sing this around a a bunch of singers, they'll pick up the last line and sing along. If you change the verse, you're going to have to give people hand signals or wiggle your eyebrows at them to let them know they have to be quiet for the last line because it's different.

So I favor using "So raise up your voices. Fill the air with sweet song!" as the last line of every verse.


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: CapriUni
Date: 12 Nov 02 - 12:24 PM

If you change the - actually 2 6th notes to a quarter note, isn't it?

No, it's two eighth notes

- you'd have the right ratio of notes per syllable for the last verse only. Of course, you could always change "voices" to "voice" in every verse.

You could put "--" in for the missing syllable.


Or, just treat the last line as a coda, and have it different for that melody line only (Which is what I've done, with NWC, just to see how it sounds. Sounds okay!

Now...
There's nothing wrong with using the same last line throughout the song. My guess is that if you sing this around a a bunch of singers, they'll pick up the last line and sing along. If you change the verse, you're going to have to give people hand signals or wiggle your eyebrows at them to let them know they have to be quiet for the last line because it's different.

So I favor using "So raise up your voices. Fill the air with sweet song!" as the last line of every verse.


Yes, but then it won't rhyme. Of course, there's no law that says it has to rhyme, but there's been at least a near rhyme all the way through, and a sharp left turn at the end, may make people double-take even more violently than share/air. So now, I thinking about changing the penultamite line:

Lessee: "She lives in our hearts, and her love makes us strong" scans okay, but that would mean using the strong/song rhyme twice in a row... Again, no law against that, but I'd prefer not to. How about: "She bides in our hearts, with us all the year long"?

Just a thought...

It really is easier to change the words than reposting all the midis!

...but YMMV


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: mg
Date: 12 Nov 02 - 12:33 PM

I would leave it as is and people will make modest adjustments of their own....at some point you have to call a job done and I think when the music and midi came out it was done, which doesn't mean that you an others can't modify it as needed...mg


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: Jeri
Date: 12 Nov 02 - 01:00 PM

Alright then people! It was a typo, OK? Enny fule no that 1/8 + 1/8 = 1/4. Just a TYPO! And that part about the last line that didn't rhyme was a typo too. Yeah, that's right. (I need to stop writing stuff when I'm suffering from caffeine deficiency.)

And Mary's right - you have to call it done sometime.
But you could always just leave "Let" out and...oh, OK - I'll stop.


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: CapriUni
Date: 12 Nov 02 - 01:08 PM

at some point you have to call a job done and I think when the music and midi came out it was done

Okay, Mary!

(you know, I was just giving that exact same advice to someone else not too long ago... I just need to learn to take it ;-))

I do suggest, however, for those who want, or need, to drop a syllable from the last line, to drop "sweet", rather than the "-es" from "voices".

So the last line is:

"So raise up your voices, let songs fill the air",

with the melody line: E, D, C, D, F, E, D, C, D, B, C.

I'm a spoken word writer first, and nothing makes me climb the wall faster than an unneeded shift into or out of the plural.


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: CapriUni
Date: 12 Nov 02 - 04:25 PM

and I think when the music and midi came out it was done

Well, yes... But....

I'm thinking of submitting this to an online, Pagan literary e-zine called "Scribes of the Goddess" for the Yule issue (the 'zine has been defunct for a while, and is being re-animated, we hope, on or near, the solstice). I came to Mudcat to iron out the kinks before I submitted it. And the submission deadline is December 10, so in my heart of hearts I won't really thing it is completely "out there" until then...

Here's a link to a sample issue of that 'Zine


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: MMario
Date: 12 Nov 02 - 04:39 PM

(note: the following is intended to be humour.)

*sob* she's telling us we don't count! *wail!*


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: CapriUni
Date: 12 Nov 02 - 06:05 PM

*sob* she's telling us we don't count! *wail!*

Of Course you count, MMario! But, well, you understand that I am Pagan... and Pagans do things in threes. The song is not "truly out there" until I have shared it in three ways:

The first way is with the friends I see every day, face-to-face ("Hey, come listen to this this song I'm working on."). I did that last year, when I first got the idea for the song.

The second way is to ask for expert help on it, and share it with others who will mostly likely spread it to their circles. That's what I'm doing in this thread.

The third way is to share it with strangers in "the wide beyond"... That's what publishing in the e-zine will be.

Once the song has three legs, then it will stand on its own -- like a stool.

If it makes you feel any better, I wouldn't have considered it "truly out there" either if it had appeared in the e-zine but not on Mudcat.


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: mg
Date: 12 Nov 02 - 11:58 PM

well, I did some passing around of it tonight..there are some people, like VC of Seattle that I can just hear singing it in my head...also Jon Bartlett if he is reading this...can you learn it for Sasamat? mg


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: CapriUni
Date: 13 Nov 02 - 10:39 AM

Okay. Thanks, Mary!

In the meantime, Genie has been wanting this song to have a longer refrain/chorus (Giving more of a change for large groups of people to join in), and I think I may have a chorus that also helps fix the singability problem in the last line.

What do you think of this?

Sample:

Give thanks to the God-dess, the sweet liv-ing Earth:
thanks for the cy-cle of death and re-birth.
She lives in our hearts, and the love that we share.
So raise all your voic-es, let song fill the air!

Oh,[E] sweet[G] song![C]
So raise all your voic-es, let song fill the air!
[Same melody as the first time]


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: mg
Date: 13 Nov 02 - 11:20 AM

I am of the opinion that it is great the way it is and it's just my philosophy I guess that once it is officially done, and you are the only one who can say it is or it isn't, it's best not to twiddle it to death. What came out of your heart and soul originally is probably the purest version. But I would encourage people to add their own choruses or whatever but keep the original as the original. mg


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: Genie
Date: 13 Nov 02 - 11:40 AM

What mary said.

Having a refrain or chorus, even if it's just a reprise of the last line or two of each verse, can be a great asset in a sing-along. In performance, it's not as important. And, yes, Ann, what really matters is what you want the song to be.

Genie

PS, Ann, can you add your chorus tune to one of the Finale Notepad files, or call my toll-free number and sing it for me? Thanks.


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: CapriUni
Date: 13 Nov 02 - 01:12 PM

PS, Ann, can you add your chorus tune to one of the Finale Notepad files, or call my toll-free number and sing it for me? Thanks.

I can but try!

BTW, how long can a message be on your voice mail? I only sang one verse, the last time, because I was afraid of getting cut off...


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: Genie
Date: 14 Nov 02 - 08:42 AM

Actually, I don't know how long my voice mail message can be, but I imagine it's at least a minute to 90 sec. You can always call again if you need two calls to finish the song. It's a free call. But you should be able to sing a couple of verses before it cuts off.

Genie


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: CapriUni
Date: 14 Nov 02 - 10:24 AM

Okay, then... I'll sing the first and last verses, with less intro this time.

And may I just say now that I have your carol stuck in my head?

I don't know whether to hug you, or :::thwaap::: you upside the head with a boingy foam rubber mallet! ;-)

The rhythm of the lines "Joyous! Joyous! Join the celebra-a-tion!" is especially catchy...


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: Barbara
Date: 14 Nov 02 - 04:04 PM

Hi Ann,
Mary emailed me your carol, which made me realize why I'd bookmarked it it in the first place, it IS lovely, and can I use it in the San Francisco Folk Music Club newsletter? If so, my deadline is Dec 6, so I would need whatever you say your final version is by then.
Does it currently have a chorus? I'm not clear. And if the tune is different PM me, and I'll transcribe it or do whatever we need to do.
Also need to know if you prefer the plain a capella version (I think you said yes).
Blessings,
Barbara


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: Genie
Date: 14 Nov 02 - 07:22 PM

Thanks, Ann (I think). My sister and I sang it together last night again, and I FINALLY got the rhythm just right, and her harmony is so great -- one of those times you could kick yourself for not having had the tape recorder going!

FWIW, I find myself humming/singing YOUR carol, too!

Cheers,

Genie


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: CapriUni
Date: 14 Nov 02 - 08:20 PM

Thanks, Ann (I think). My sister and I sang it together last night again, and I FINALLY got the rhythm just right, and her harmony is so great -- one of those times you could kick yourself for not having had the tape recorder going!

I think Jerry R. started a thread on that very topic, didn't he???

Meanwhile, I need to get a good tape recorder, that's easy to use...

BTW, have you heard back from Aine about getting your song into the songbook, yet?


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: Genie
Date: 14 Nov 02 - 09:31 PM

Dunno about the songbook yet, but MMario is doing a MIDI, bless his heart! I sent the sheet music to çine, but I don't know if she has Finale. Anyway, I now have posted my lyrics and chords in the forum, here

   Raise Your Voices In The Song (Christmas)

not to be confused with your "Raise All Your Voices" Solstice carol, Capri.

I haven't checked the songbook recently. Is your song in it yet?


Genie


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: CapriUni
Date: 14 Nov 02 - 10:06 PM

I haven't checked the songbook recently. Is your song in it yet?

I don't know... I haven't checked either... ;-)


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: Genie
Date: 15 Nov 02 - 03:30 AM

I did check, Capri. Neither song is there yet. But çine is still trying to recover from that nasty back injury she got pushing boulders up the Moon On The Hill. We've gotta give her time.


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: MMario
Date: 15 Nov 02 - 08:46 AM

I think I fixed the midi though


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: CapriUni
Date: 15 Nov 02 - 02:35 PM

Okay, this is the last alteration I'll over up for your critique, I promise!

I think I may have solved scansion problems of the last line in a way that fits the rest of the song, too... more or less -- realizing that, unlike a midi, when a human sings, no two notes are of the exact same duration, even if the dots are exactly the same. So a midi will never sound exactly right, just durned close.

Give this a listen, and/or a test sing. If your reaction is: "Yeah! That's right!", this will be the version I'll submit to Àine's Mudcat Songbook, and to Barbera for inclusion in San Francisco Folk Music Club newsletter. If your reaction is a "No, not quite," or "Maybe...," then I'll submit the version that Jeri put up on her webpage. But either way, no more fiddling after this. Deal?

(Oh, and it was brought to my attention, second handedly, that "return back from" is incorrect grammar. Now, I don't think songs have to be as grammatically correct as an essay, but if you can do it right without spoiling the sound, than why not do so? So I changed "back from" to "out of")

RAISE ALL YOUR VOICES
By Ann Magill

Come gather together and sing with glad hearts.
Sing for the sun's return out of the dark.
The wheel, it is turning, the dance, it goes on.
So raise all your voices, fill the air with sweet song!

Oh, sing with the Goddess: "The world is reborn,
shin-ing as bright as the very first morn!"
The old year has ended. Let go of old wrongs
and raise all your voices, fill the air with sweet song!

Though winter will bring us cold nights and fierce wind,
know by this dawning that hardship will end.
And like the sun's rays, may our hearts all grow strong.
Come raise all your voices, fill the air with sweet song!

Give thanks to the Goddess, the sweet living Earth:
thanks for the cycle of death and rebirth.
She lives in our hearts, and the love that we share.
So raise all your voices, may sweet song fill the air!

MIDI file: song02.mid

Timebase: 192

Name: All voices
Text: By Ann Magill
Copyright: Copyright © 2002 by Ann Magill
TimeSig: 3/4 24 8
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This program is worth the effort of learning it.

To download the latest version of MIDItext and get instructions on how to use it click here

ABC format:

X:1
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M:3/4
Q:1/4=120
K:C
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Replaced MidiText file with newer version 19 Nov 02. --JoeClone


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: Genie
Date: 15 Nov 02 - 04:25 PM

I like it, Ann!

Genie


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: CapriUni
Date: 15 Nov 02 - 05:12 PM

I like it, Ann!

Good! It's not just me, then!

Yeah, I think this version sounds more balanced, rhythmically, and more "swingy" overall, if you know what I mean....

So, I'll submit an updated NWC file to MMario, and the lyrics to Àine or should I send her the midi, too?


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: Haruo
Date: 18 Nov 02 - 10:23 PM

I've put a page illustrating my roommate's harmonization in La Lilandejo: Raise All Your Voices. However, the midi has serious problems. I'll work on it tonight; maybe it'll sound better tomorrow. Oh, and Ann, I'll let Tim know about "out of" ;-) ...

Haruo


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: Genie
Date: 18 Nov 02 - 11:08 PM

Ann, now Aine's name in your last post is coming up on my computer as and upside down "?" plus "ine." *G*


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: Haruo
Date: 18 Nov 02 - 11:31 PM

How does "Àine" look here, Genie? On your computer, I mean; Ann's latest looked okay from my vantage point.

Haruo


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: Genie
Date: 18 Nov 02 - 11:36 PM

Yours came out fine, Haruo, except you used a grave accent, and I think çine uses an acute acccent. (Did her name come out OK on your computer just now?)


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: CapriUni
Date: 18 Nov 02 - 11:38 PM

Haruo:

I've put a page illustrating my roommate's harmonization in La Lilandejo: "Raise All Your Voices". However, the midi has serious problems. I'll work on it tonight

I tried to reply to your message about that in PM, but the page died when I hit submit... so I'll give a shorter reply here: One thing I've noticed on some multi-part midis is that the melody line is doubled, by having it play on two tracks at once. Maybe that would help...

Genie: now Aine's name in your last post is coming up on my computer as and upside down "?" plus "ine."

Life would be so much simpler if Bill 'n' Steve hadn't had that big ol' feud way back when, wouldn't it? ;-)


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Subject: mutatis mutandem
From: Haruo
Date: 18 Nov 02 - 11:49 PM

Thanks, Ann, I'll try doubling if I can't get the chords to calm down. And I'll try to replace the melody line with your latest version, mutatis mutandem.

Genie, no, your post still reads çine. I wrote Àine instead of Áine because I couldn't recall which was correct (actually, it may depend on the grammatical case, I suppose; Gaelic's that way) and Àine was what Ann had in the previous post you commented on, the one that you said came out as ¿ for you.

Haruo


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: mmb
Date: 19 Nov 02 - 01:11 AM

I've been intending to check this thread out ever since it appeared, and what a loss it would have been if I hadn't finally gotten around to it. It is lovely, Ann, and haunting, in the good sense of the word. It will definitely be numbered among the tunes that are played from henceforth when I pull out all my Nowell Sing We Clear volumes to observe the Advent/Solstice season. Thank you for sharing it with us.    M.


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: Genie
Date: 19 Nov 02 - 09:24 AM

Life would be so much simpler if Bill 'n' Steve hadn't had that big ol' feud way back when, wouldn't it?

It's not just a Mac/Windows thing, though.  My sister's machine is Windows, and most of my Mudcat posts look the same on her machine as on my Macs, including the accent marks on names like Áine.

Speaking of MIDIS and sheet music, Haruo, did you get the Notepad sheet music I sent you?  I'm wondering about the process of makind MIDIS from Notepad files.
 

And, again, Ann, thanks for sharing your song.  It's a keeper.

Genie


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: CapriUni
Date: 19 Nov 02 - 11:23 AM

It will definitely be numbered among the tunes that are played from henceforth when I pull out all my Nowell Sing We Clear volumes to observe the Advent/Solstice season. Thank you for sharing it with us.

And thank you for playing it and passing it on. I don't mean to sound like a curmudgeon about this, and do the old whiney: "It's not like the Good Old Days, anymore!" routine...

But:

In my heart of hearts, I believe that the true spirit of the season is expressed through singing together (even more than going to church and/or Ritual Circle) -- even for the Deaf -- there's a different quality to signing a song then in signing ordinary conversation. There's something about singing that has a different energy than speach.

Perhaps it's because we're opening our bodies and minds to be resonant with all of existance... as though we're taking part in the Music of the Spheres. In speach, words (and the ideas they carry) are in tight, little discrete bundles. Speaking is the mode of the Ego -- the individual. Siniging is communal.

But these days, the habit seems to be (at least in my neighborhood) to put a CD on, and have it playing as auditory wall paper, while people talk over it... there's no joining in.

So, that's the idea I want spread around... whatever the religion being observed...


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: GUEST,Haruo
Date: 19 Nov 02 - 06:18 PM

Well, Ann 'n' everybody, I have improved though not perfected the MIDI of my roommate's harmonization at the copy in La Lilandejo. And I added a link to this thread, as well as a right-clickable link for those who may want a copy of the MIDI.

Genie, yes, I got the Notepad music file you sent, but haven't had a chance to try it yet because I haven't had a chance to use the church computer, which is where I downloaded Finale to (I don't have Internet access at home, which is where I would prefer to work on such stuff). I'll certainly let you know as soon as I have anything to report.

Haruo (at the public library)


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: CapriUni
Date: 20 Nov 02 - 10:50 AM

Well, Ann 'n' everybody, I have improved though not perfected the MIDI of my roommate's harmonization at the copy in "La Lilandejo". And I added a link to this thread, as well as a right-clickable link for those who may want a copy of the MIDI

Thank you, Haruo! I've right-clicked the file and will play around with it, later today (Got some non-sung writing to do... deadline is tomorrow!!!)


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: mg
Date: 21 Nov 02 - 02:30 AM

well, speaking of sign language..this is how ignorant I am..I saw some kids on the bus signing and I think their first language is Spanish..so I thought..gee, wonder if they are signing that in Spanish or English...but I guess it is universal..??? Or is it? I guess when you spell it out it would be in your own language...

mg


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: CapriUni
Date: 21 Nov 02 - 09:56 AM

well, speaking of sign language..this is how ignorant I am..I saw some kids on the bus signing and I think their first language is Spanish..so I thought..gee, wonder if they are signing that in Spanish or English...but I guess it is universal..??? Or is it? I guess when you spell it out it would be in your own language...

Well, that depends.... Some schools for the deaf (deaf -- with a lower case "d" -- refers only to not being able to hear, but with a capital "D" refers to the culture) make it a point to teach deaf people to pass, as much as possible, as hearing, and those schools tend to insist on Signed Exact English. where they take signed vocabulary and make it fit Englisg grammar and syntax (or I suppose, Spanish).

But sign language is a language in its own right, with it's own grammar and syntax that is spacially-based instead of temporally based (depending on where a sign is executed in 3-d space, rather than on when a word appears in a certain order). It is not, however, universal... just like spoken language, there are different sign languages all over the world (and no, not all signs look like what they mean, but if you know their origin, you can see the logic... just like knowing the derivation of spoken words).

American Sign Language, is, in fact, more closely related to French Sign Language than British. This is because Thomas Gallaudet, who founded the first free school for the deaf in America, learned how to do it after finishing a trip to France, to see how they did it there, and since most kids who are deaf come from hearing families, they learn their language in school, rather than at home...

So now that I think about it, those boys were probably signing either ASL or SEE (Since Spanish kids are pushed to learn English in American schools, anyway)

Oh, and another tidbit -- babies who grow up with Deaf parents, sign clearly about about 5 months sooner than they can speak -- because the muscles of the hands develop sooner than the muscles in the tongue and mouth (and before they sign, they do hand versions of "goo-goo")... Which is why, if I ever have a baby, I'm not gonna wait for the hearing test at a year to start signing.


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: Genie
Date: 21 Nov 02 - 11:40 AM

Ann, the MIDI in the Mudcat MIDI section sounds good, but it has one mistake. To fit the rhythm of the song the words "...fill the..." in the last line of each verse need to be eighth notes (and they are in Barry's MIDI and in the sheet music that Jeri posted).  In the Mudcat MIDI they are played as quarter notes, and it throws the rhythm off.  Maybe M. Mario can fix that.

Jeri ("...this is where I go into nit-picking mode - the B's in the 2nd track sound a bit odd when they come up against the C's in the 3rd. You've got to sneak some 'illegal' stuff in and most times the ear will be fooled into not hearing the naughty notes. It may just be me that's hearing it.")
I know that some chords sound dissonant-- especially on a piano--, but they are often used in choral music.  It's not at all unusual in our church choir to have a B and a C sung together at some point in the piece.
Interestingly, one song I wrote and recorded in 3-part harmony sounds really harmonious when I play the standard guitar chords (C, F, G, Am) and sing the three countermelodies together.  But when I plug those same countermelodies into the computer and they're played back with a simulated (sampled?) piano, some "chords" sound dissonant in an unpleasant way.
(If you get the Strawberry CD you can see what I mean.  The only sour note in the song is one place where I went flat on a harmony part while recording because I couldn't hear myself.  If anything, the harmonies themselves are almost too "sweet," to use Amos's term.  The countermelodies work well when sung together, though some of the harmony notes are "out of the chord.")

Is this an unusual phenomenon?
 

Ann,  ( is there a way to save Finale files as midis, the way you can with Noteworthy?)  Not with the freebie Notepad, but NotePad Plus ($25) and it lets you save a file as sheet music and/or MIDI, as well as play back MIDIs.

Genie


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: CapriUni
Date: 21 Nov 02 - 12:52 PM

Ann, the MIDI in the Mudcat MIDI section sounds good, but it has one mistake. To fit the rhythm of the song the words "...fill the..." in the last line of each verse need to be eighth notes

Actually, that's not a mistake... I made that change deliberately, and sent an updated version to MMario (after posting the change here, to see if it sounded right to others).

For the longest time, I couldn't figure out why people kept telling me there was an extra beat in the last line ("Raise all your voices, may sweet song fill the air."). Then (after singing the song over, and over, and over, both with and without the "extra" syllable) I realized that I was naturally singing the song in the rhythm as it is now -- or something very, very close to it. What I'm actually singing, on the three syllables of "...voic-es, fill..." (and "...voic-es, may...") is: quarter note--dotted eighth note--sixteenth rest--quarter note.

But that looks really fussy and confusing on a score, particularly if it's to be printed out and handed around to people at a holiday sing-along where not everyone is comfortable reading music. Depending on what instrument patch you stick at the beginning of the staff, the difference between the rhythm as I outlined it above and three quarter notes is barely noticable... so for print-out, I opted for the simpler-looking version, trusting any would-be singer to use the score only as a guide, and sing it in a way that comes naturally out of her or his mouth...


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: Genie
Date: 21 Nov 02 - 08:46 PM

Well, Ann, it's your call. But I found it very hard to clap out a steady 3/4 beat while singing along with the MIDI on that last line. It's kinda like those pieces where your're singing in 3/4 while playing in 4/4 or vice versa. It's done, but it's not easy.

Genie


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: CapriUni
Date: 21 Nov 02 - 09:06 PM

I found it very hard to clap out a steady 3/4 beat while singing along with the MIDI on that last line.

Oh! :::Lightbulb clicks on:::

I didn't even consider clap-ability as a factor... but I'm not one to judge... I get tangled up trying to clap along to "Bingo (Was His Name-o!)"

Okay... So, assuming that Raise all your voices, may sweet song fill the air was the tag line for all four verses, how would you score that to fit a 3/4 time?

I hope this isn't coming across as snippy... I really am curious.

...or is it impossible?

Is this what we could call "music theory by the seat of your pants"?


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: Áine
Date: 07 Dec 02 - 08:24 PM

Hey Ann,

That is a great song -- Don't know how I missed seeing this thread (but then, I've been in and out and away with the little people on occasion these past few months *BG*) . . .

Anyways, a little bird whispered in my ear that this song should definitely be in the Mudcat Songbook, and I wholeheartedly agree! May I please have your permission to place it in the (lately renamed) Songs of Inspiration and Celebration category of the Book?

Here's hoping that you'll answer with a 'yes' ;-),

All the best, Áine


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: Genie
Date: 07 Dec 02 - 09:34 PM

Ann, I think the MIDI that Jeri posted before has the timing right on the last line.

It would be /...SO / RAISE ALL YOUR /VOI-CES, fill the /AIR with sweet / SONG/,
where lower case = eighth note, UPPER CASE = quarter note, Upper case underscored = half note, and upper case, underscored, bold = dotted half note.

Genie


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: CapriUni
Date: 08 Dec 02 - 12:06 AM

Ann, I think the MIDI that Jeri posted before has the timing right on the last line.

Actually, I've already sent a revised version off to Barbara, for inclusion in the Folknik newsletter... I decided that the simplest solution for the last line would be best.

Really, it was only the word "sweet" that was causing all the problems, so I simply dropped it. I kept the rhythm and timing the same for the last line, but just changed the lyrics to:

(Using your notation system, it's:

RAISE ALL YOUR/VOIC-ES let a/SONG FILL THE /AIR!/

Which is very close to the first version of the melody, excpt that measure #7 (/out of the/) and #11 (/dance, it goes/) both have the rhythm of dotted quarter, eighth, quarter....

Oh dear... have I posted that version of the final tweak, or not? I've lost track.

And yes, Áine, please do post this in the songbook... I've been meaning to send it to you, but I was getting ready for an Art Garden night (same venue I wrote "Child of the Spirits" for), and since then, I've been recovering... and it rather slipped my mind... should I email you the lyrics and midi?


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: Áine
Date: 08 Dec 02 - 02:24 PM

Dear Ann,

Yee-Haw!!! The Keeper of the Book scores another great song for the Tome!! *BG*

Please do email me the lyrics (doireanne@yahoo.com); but send the midi file to alan in Australia . . . at least I think he's still the Master of the Mudcat Midi Page . . . But, on second thought, maybe Pene Azul (a/k/a Jeff) is the new Master now. I guess you'll have to PM them both to find out (and then please let me know, OK?)

Thanks to you, CapriUni, and that sweet singing' lil bird that let me know where to find your sweet song, Áine


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: CapriUni
Date: 08 Dec 02 - 06:04 PM

Please do email me the lyrics (doireanne@yahoo.com)

On their way...

but send the midi file to alan in Australia . . . at least I think he's still the Master of the Mudcat Midi Page . . .

Hmmm. I sent the midi file that's linked at the top of this thread to MMario... I'll pm all three... And let you know...


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: Genie
Date: 08 Dec 02 - 10:13 PM

Chirrrrp! ;-)


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: Áine
Date: 08 Dec 02 - 11:23 PM

There ya go, CapriUni! ;-) It's in the Book!!

And you just keep chirrrrping, lil' bird! *BG*

All the best, Áine


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: CapriUni
Date: 08 Dec 02 - 11:55 PM

Thanks, Áine!

Thanks, Little Bird ;-)

"Cheer-up, cheerily, cheerily, cheerily!"


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: Genie
Date: 09 Dec 02 - 03:40 AM

Well, we needed this inspiring song of celebration in Aine's new category (especially since the MIDI was already there all by itself!).

Our gracious "Goddess" has been overburdened (in true Sisyphus fashion) this past year, so she needs a few 'stool pigeons' out there to help tattle on songwriters who are hiding in various forum threads.

§;-D


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: CapriUni
Date: 09 Dec 02 - 12:24 PM

Well, we needed this inspiring song of celebration in Aine's new category (especially since the MIDI was already there all by itself!).

A question about that: the midi page Áine has linked to in her song book is not the same page that has the song. So is Alan's midi page:

a) redundant, or
b) different enough from "The Mudcat Midis" page (in the quick links) to warant the tune being in two places at once?


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: Genie
Date: 09 Dec 02 - 07:53 PM

Ann, I checked http://www.mudcat.org/alanofoz/ and neither my song nor yours is among the MIDIs. This is the page that asks folks to send MIDIs to Alison, Alan, or Joe Offer.

I find both songs when I go to the Quick Links and select "Mudcat MIDIs" from that menu.

Thus, I assume they are two different collections of MIDIs, though I'm not sure if they overlap.

Genie


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: CapriUni
Date: 09 Dec 02 - 11:18 PM

Yes, I checked there, too... that's why I asked.

What I'm wondering is whether Alan's midi page is in the process of being replaced by the one in quick links, or whether they compliment each other.

Anyone?


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: Genie
Date: 10 Dec 02 - 03:34 AM

I have no idea why that post ended up in boldface.

Yeah, Ann, I'm curious as to what MIDIs are supposed to go where, too.

Genie

PS, I still like Barry Finn's MIDI above, with harmony, better than the one in the Mudcat MIDIs.


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: CapriUni
Date: 15 Dec 02 - 07:11 PM

PS, I still like Barry Finn's MIDI above, with harmony, better than the one in the Mudcat MIDIs.

Is that because it has the harmony, or because it has the original rhythm (before I tried to do a complicated "fix")?


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Subject: Raise All Your Voices -Solstice song from CapriUni
From: Genie
Date: 15 Dec 02 - 09:08 PM

Well, I like the harmony, but mainly I like the rhythm (phrasing). (Actually, as you know, I sing the whole song with a little more syncopation, as in the MIDI I sent you.)

Genie


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: GUEST,Willow Firesong
Date: 11 May 05 - 01:03 PM

Sorry about the popups -- when I signed up with Tripod, it didn't have the ad policy currently in place, which (frankly) is so obnoxious that even *I* don't like to use that version of my site.

You'll be happy to know that I now have a mirror version of the original site on my private server, at http://willow.creative-interweb.com/old_site/YulCarls/ -- but even better, I've updated the Carol Collection, and made it database driven, so that it's now about half again as large, and fully searchable. You can find the new version (the only one being actively updated) at:
http://willow.creative-interweb.com/library/songbook/carols/

Thanks for recommending my site, and again, my apologies about the popups. I've been planning on replacing the site with redirects to the fully ad-free version, but so far, other things have kept me too busy. For now, you have the direct link, which is even better. :)

Best wishes,


Willow Firesong
willow.firesong@bigfoot.com or
willow.firesong@creative-interweb.com


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: CapriUni
Date: 11 May 05 - 03:06 PM

Hey, Willow (I was wondering who'd renewed this thread after all this time)! Thanks for the information on the your sites.

I'll pass the info on to some Pagan friends. It's far from Yule, here, but it's fast approaching, south of the equator)


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: Haruo
Date: 11 May 05 - 04:57 PM

I'm putting together a Christmas Carol Collection for my siblings and cousins' "Cousins' Christmas" get-together (a staple of my wife's family) and am planning on including your carol, Ann. We're a religiously eclectic lot.

Haruo


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: Barbara
Date: 11 May 05 - 07:27 PM

Then you all might be interested in the way Anne rewrote her lyrics for an Oestara celebration that we had. Thanks again, Anne, and what do you say to posting them here?
Blessings,
Barbara


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: CapriUni
Date: 11 May 05 - 07:43 PM

I was wondering if I should post them here, or under a new thread, since Oestra is a different Sabbat, and folks looking for Spring Equinox songs probably wouldn't search for them under Yule...

I was also contemplating doing a thread for a few of my short-short, almost-chant Pagan songs, after I edit them a bit. I could put the variation there, too...

So many decisions!


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: Barbara
Date: 12 May 05 - 04:27 PM

Why don't you post them separately and then provide us with a blicky here? TIA
Blessings,
Barbara


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: Haruo
Date: 26 Jun 05 - 02:01 AM

I see Barry T's MIDI is no longer found at the Shaw.ca address he used above. If you see this, Barry, could you post it again or email me a copy?

Haruo


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Subject: RE: Winter Solstice Carol from CapriUni
From: katlaughing
Date: 26 Jun 05 - 03:21 AM

I think separate threads would be good, too, CU. Good to see this, again!


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