A seedy copy?

Subject: BS: A seedy copy?
From: GUEST,colwyn dane
Date: 13 Nov 02 - 08:47 PM

Should we be able to copy cds?


The current edition of a UK,fortnightly,computer magazine has a piece about digital rights management systems.

The magazine quotes a survey done by business analyst GartnerG2 that found:


a)77 percent of respondents thought they should be able to copy CDs for personal use;


b)66 percent believed that they should have the right to copy discs to give to other family members;


c)82 per cent said that they should be able to copy CDs for backup
purposes.


The author of the magazine article then concludes, "The figures show that music buyers could react angrily to attempts to stop them

making copies of music they have already paid for."


I do not know the question asked in a) but it probably means a copy of a

CD from another persons collection - if they already owned it then answer c) would cover that,me thinks.

I have copied CDs from my own collection mainly to be used by my 2 boys,3 and 5 years old,who are into country and western music;

I don't want my originals ruined so I would endorse b) and c).

These questions brought to mind that digital copying is possibly the modern equivalent of the feeding of the five thousand;

sounds/images are broken down into ones and zeroes and then perfect
replicates are created from the digital stream.


What say you gentle reader, are you a flogger;

a belt and braces type;

or do you never ever drive faster than the speed limit - not even 1 mph more?


n.b. use 'flogger' as in both its meanings,if you get my drift.



CD.

Subject: RE: BS: A seedy copy?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 13 Nov 02 - 09:10 PM

"Both meanings" - the only meaning I know for "flogger" is someone who believes in bringing back the birch and flogging petty criminals.

I think they're on a hiding to nothing trying to stop people copying CDs, there'll always be ways round it. (If need be, whatever kind of device they rig up, people can just play the CD into a microphone attached to a recording device, and use that copy as the master.)

Sooner or later the world is going to have to accept that the whole idea of property rights in things that can be freely reproduced has to be radically rethought.

Subject: RE: A seedy copy?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 14 Nov 02 - 10:36 AM

McGoH: Flogger : one who 'flogs' (sells). Definition not listed by Chambers Twentieth Century Dictionary, nor in the current Collins Dictionary. But the word 'Flog' is in current use in S.Wales meaning to sell.
"Flogger 'Oskins (Hoskins)": spiv type character from old TV series "The Army Game"

Nigel

Subject: RE: A seedy copy?
From: mack/misophist
Date: 14 Nov 02 - 10:48 AM

The word 'flog' is in more or less common use in the United States for 'sell'.

Years ago, the courts of the various western nations decided that persons could legally copy lp's and tapes for back-up and for convenience of use in various places. A little later they decided that it was legal to copy any and all television programming to "time shift" it to a more acessable time slot. The current mess is nothing less than the music industry (primarily) trying to recover what the courts once took away. Technically, this is called 'GREED'.

Subject: RE: A seedy copy?
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 14 Nov 02 - 11:01 AM

Courts or no; technology or no; widespread copying sounds the death knell for small, specialist record labels. It's hard to attribute GREED to outfits like Folk-Legacy and Musical Traditions--sales of any particular title are more apt to be in the hundreds per year than the millions, and the loss of a dozen sales of any title can impact severely on their inome.

Subject: RE: A seedy copy?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 14 Nov 02 - 11:01 AM

Misophist: the idea of videos to "Time shift" programmes was a valid one, but I don't believe the intent was to allow viwers to retain a copy for future viewing after the programme had been watched at the shifted time!
Nigel

Subject: RE: A seedy copy?
From: Dead Horse
Date: 14 Nov 02 - 12:53 PM

Who's flogging a dead horse?

Subject: RE: A seedy copy?
From: EBarnacle1
Date: 14 Nov 02 - 02:07 PM

It ain't dead; Viagra saw to that.

Subject: RE: A seedy copy?
From: Micca
Date: 14 Nov 02 - 02:57 PM

Quote from a friend I was at sea with
" 1st Mate: Mr Christian Flog that man
Bo'sun: But he is dead, sir!!!
1st Mate: Well, flog his gear"

Subject: RE: A seedy copy?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 Nov 02 - 04:50 PM

I wish we could find a way to make it easy to steal from the rich and hard to do it from the poor...

Subject: RE: A seedy copy?
From: katlaughing
Date: 14 Nov 02 - 05:25 PM

I agree with what Dick pointed out. When we were putting out tapes of my brother's music, every penny went back to him and it meant a lot. I've always felt that copying took money out of the artist's hands and it didn't seem fair.

I have accepted copies of well-known artists' stuff, but always with a tinge of guilt and reluctance. I know people who make an extra cd of every one they have so that they can use the copy in their cars and not risk damage to the originals.

They went through this with tapes, at one time proposing a special tax on them with that dollar or however much it was, being distributed to the record companies and artists, but you know it would never get back to all of them. That was supposed to cover whatever they might lose through people making dubs.